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Barbicane	Posted - 2005.04.17 20:14:00 - [31] Edited by: Barbicane on 17/04/2005 20:18:17 Originally by: Barbicane 20 cap per second is a good boost. It's more than I get from my 2x Heavy Nosferatus, and they are certainly nice to have when fighting 2 supreme drone parasites for example. However, the 60 extra cpu is more than I can fit into my cpu budget. And that's despite a full rack of Malkuth siege. Quoting myself here... that setup was using 2x Heavy nos, and 2x Shield boost amps (both module types are cpu hogs). But come to think of it... if I replace the 2 heavy nos (which I rarely use) with 2 high-tracking medium guns, I should have enough cpu to fit that XL shield booster II, and gain a low slot which is now used for RCU... and have the same cap recharge (at least when shield boosting) as if I used the 2xNos. Can't wait for the XL SB II prices to drop a bit so I can try it
siim	Posted - 2005.04.17 20:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Bad'Boy Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 17/04/2005 19:27:46 Originally by: siim u ever used a raven ? Hell yeah. You ever used an Apoc? Megathron? You can't even fit all t1 guns and an Armor tank on an Apoc. LOL! agree with u there baddy
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.04.17 20:22:00 - [33] God, you people are too serieus.. Or too protective. Or both =/ ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?"
ErrorS	Posted - 2005.04.17 20:52:00 - [34] wtf? Siege launchers use CPU like Amarr weapons use Grid. Siege Launcher on a Raven CPU - 11.42% .PG - 18.42% XL SB2 on a Raven CPU - 32.85% .PG - 5.78% Mega Pulse on an Apocalypse CPU - 10% .PG - 12.82% Tachyon on an Apocalypse CPU - 12% .PG - 19.23% Large Armor Repairer2 on an Apocalypse CPU - 11% .PG - 11.79% Goddamnit.. i'm sick and tired of running numbers for apocs all the time and seeing them come out on top, yet noone uses them because the Raven is the 'ship of the month'. Fact remains that the Apoc is easier to fit for tanking AND weapons yet you guys still complain "omfomgogmmogmo raven can fit both a tank and weapons WHAT THE HELl! EVERYONE BUY A RAVEN APOC SUCKS" let me remind you that torps aren't effective beyond 30km or so.. err uh, same as the mega pulse? it takes 40 seconds for a torpedo to reach it's target at 30KM. Cruise missles do less DPS then any large gun in the game even in a siege launcher, so don't try to bring those up. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
ErrorS	Posted - 2005.04.17 21:03:00 - [35] 24375 grid on an apoc with engineering 5 625 CPU on an apoc with electronics 5 11875 grid on a raven with engineering 5 875 CPU on a Raven with electronics 5 siege launcher uses 60 cpu with weapon upgrades 5 mega pulse uses 37.5 cpu with weapon upgrades 5 siege launcher - 6.85% CPU/14.73% PG mega pulse - 6% CPU/10.2% PG further increasing fitting advantages with skills.. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.04.17 22:42:00 - [36] Apples and Oranges. Apoc weapons: 8 Raven weapon: 6 Note that with regular tech I stuff a they have about equal DoT with 8 turrets vs 6 launchers, if you account for tracking. Also: armor hardners take up a larger % of the total cpu on a Apoc than shield hardner does on a Raven. I agree that every battleship is tough to fit. Almost every single one of them has both grid and cpu 'shortage', which is IMO a good thing. The claim, however, that the Apoc is the only ship without any fitting problems is simply outrageous bullcrap. Anyone claiming so has never tried to fit anything else than a Raven. I do have a Raven and while it's loaded with named mods due to it being an NPC ship, I still have over 150 cpu left. A friend of mine has an Apoc kitted out for NPC'ing and struggles to fit a 4th cap recharger II in the midslots. I also have a Megathron, which requires named guns or a coproc mods to actually have all its slots filled. And that's using Electron Blasters. In short: stop whining and find a new fitting for your Raven. Geddon users have to do so now, Gallente pilots have been squeezing every last tenth point of cpu out of their Megathron, so why not Raven pilots? I don't think it's CCP's intention to make tech II a nobrainer (provided you have the money and skills) on every ship. Much like I use a t1 MWD on my taranis simply because a t2 doesn't fit. Okay, that wasn't short... ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?"
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2005.04.17 22:56:00 - [37] Originally by: ErrorS wtf? Siege launchers use CPU like Amarr weapons use Grid. Siege Launcher on a Raven CPU - 11.42% .PG - 18.42% XL SB2 on a Raven CPU - 32.85% .PG - 5.78% Mega Pulse on an Apocalypse CPU - 10% .PG - 12.82% Tachyon on an Apocalypse CPU - 12% .PG - 19.23% Large Armor Repairer2 on an Apocalypse CPU - 11% .PG - 11.79% Goddamnit.. i'm sick and tired of running numbers for apocs all the time and seeing them come out on top, yet noone uses them because the Raven is the 'ship of the month'. Fact remains that the Apoc is easier to fit for tanking AND weapons yet you guys still complain "omfomgogmmogmo raven can fit both a tank and weapons WHAT THE HELl! EVERYONE BUY A RAVEN APOC SUCKS" let me remind you that torps aren't effective beyond 30km or so.. err uh, same as the mega pulse? it takes 40 seconds for a torpedo to reach it's target at 30KM. Cruise missles do less DPS then any large gun in the game even in a siege launcher, so don't try to bring those up. Don't forget that you can't compare an xl shield booster vs a large armour repairer straight, you have to do XL SBII + Amp vs 2x LARII . ----- Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.04.17 22:59:00 - [38] Hmm im just going to save for a dread xl or better Death to the Galante
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2005.04.18 00:43:00 - [39] I am not a fan of the 6 siege setups for a lot of tasks. So I don't run into CPU problems EVER. However, XL II's are pretty nice but I don't usually shield tank my Raven. Most of my gameage comes from slaying sansha bastard children in a fit of RP madness. <they stole and ate my first born omg revengex0rx> OoC... when i do my lvl 4 agent mish for matari... I will be looking into this module. -----
Hyey	Posted - 2005.04.18 02:32:00 - [40] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Ravens may be hard to fit using t2 items, which aren't even all out yet. Megathron is impossible to fit with t2 items and armor tank. You can't even fit all t1 guns and an Armor tank on an Apoc. LMFAO now THAT is an utter load of absolute bull**. Megathron can fit a crapload of t2 blasters and a tank. A typical Apoc setup consists of 8 mega pulse and an armor tank... Where have you been? ~~ Hyey** I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
ErrorS	Posted - 2005.04.18 05:59:00 - [41] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Apples and Oranges. Apoc weapons: 8 Raven weapon: 6 Note that with regular tech I stuff a they have about equal DoT with 8 turrets vs 6 launchers, if you account for tracking. Also: armor hardners take up a larger % of the total cpu on a Apoc than shield hardner does on a Raven. I agree that every battleship is tough to fit. Almost every single one of them has both grid and cpu 'shortage', which is IMO a good thing. The claim, however, that the Apoc is the only ship without any fitting problems is simply outrageous bullcrap. Anyone claiming so has never tried to fit anything else than a Raven. I do have a Raven and while it's loaded with named mods due to it being an NPC ship, I still have over 150 cpu left. A friend of mine has an Apoc kitted out for NPC'ing and struggles to fit a 4th cap recharger II in the midslots. I also have a Megathron, which requires named guns or a coproc mods to actually have all its slots filled. And that's using Electron Blasters. In short: stop whining and find a new fitting for your Raven. Geddon users have to do so now, Gallente pilots have been squeezing every last tenth point of cpu out of their Megathron, so why not Raven pilots? I don't think it's CCP's intention to make tech II a nobrainer (provided you have the money and skills) on every ship. Much like I use a t1 MWD on my taranis simply because a t2 doesn't fit. Okay, that wasn't short... WTF? IT'S EASIER ON A RAVEN BECAUSE WE HAVE 6 WEAPONS? Sorry, but we have 8 high-slots just like the Apoc.. many of us choose to only fit 6, fine.. drop 2 turrets of your apoc and we're on even playing grounds. i'm starting to wonder if you're being rediculous on purpose.. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.04.18 06:48:00 - [42] Edited by: Harry Voyager on 18/04/2005 06:55:41 Anyways, back to the original subject, 20 energy per second is 39 extra shields per second, and, with 50% damage reduction, and effective 78 damage per second. Most tank set ups are limited not by their peak dps soak, but rather by their sustainable dps soak, so even thoug hthe Clarity Ward can pump out as much shield per second as the XL-II, it's reduced effeciency means that it produces less effective sheild. A Raven using 5x PDU IIs and 1xCap Recharger II, with maxed skills has a power capacity of 6780, with a recharge time of 355.534s, for a peak recharge rate of 45.7 energy per second. As such, that 25% extra effeciency translates directly into a 25% better tank. Harry Voyager Addendum: Just for the heck of it, an Apoc with 4x Cap charger IIs, 2x Cap Relays (the armour tank config) and maxed skills, has a capacity of 7500 and a recharge time of 181.6s, for an effective recharge of around 99 cap per second. Without the battleship skill, that drops to a capacity of 6000, for an effective recharge rate of 79.3 energy per second. For an armour tanked Tempest, with 1xCap power relay and 5x Cap Charger IIs with max skills, you get a capacity of 5312.5 and a recharge time of 181.6, for an effective recharge rate of 70.2 cap per second.
Badboy Geezer	Posted - 2005.04.18 07:08:00 - [43] Pity there is no skill to reduce cpu on armor/shield hardeners/repairers/boosters etc ... None that Im aware of anyway
Shenro	Posted - 2005.04.18 09:43:00 - [44] Try adding in skills and see what you get, you can significantly increase the worth of the XL 2 with good skills. 2005.04.05 19:01:31 combat Your Medium Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Brothel, wrecking for 260.3 damage.
siim	Posted - 2005.04.18 12:09:00 - [45] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Apples and Oranges. Apoc weapons: 8 Raven weapon: 6 Note that with regular tech I stuff a they have about equal DoT with 8 turrets vs 6 launchers, if you account for tracking. Also: armor hardners take up a larger % of the total cpu on a Apoc than shield hardner does on a Raven. I agree that every battleship is tough to fit. Almost every single one of them has both grid and cpu 'shortage', which is IMO a good thing. The claim, however, that the Apoc is the only ship without any fitting problems is simply outrageous bullcrap. Anyone claiming so has never tried to fit anything else than a Raven. I do have a Raven and while it's loaded with named mods due to it being an NPC ship, I still have over 150 cpu left. A friend of mine has an Apoc kitted out for NPC'ing and struggles to fit a 4th cap recharger II in the midslots. I also have a Megathron, which requires named guns or a coproc mods to actually have all its slots filled. And that's using Electron Blasters. In short: stop whining and find a new fitting for your Raven. Geddon users have to do so now, Gallente pilots have been squeezing every last tenth point of cpu out of their Megathron, so why not Raven pilots? I don't think it's CCP's intention to make tech II a nobrainer (provided you have the money and skills) on every ship. Much like I use a t1 MWD on my taranis simply because a t2 doesn't fit. Okay, that wasn't short... 6 sieges + 2 nosses?? and u saying u have 150 cpu free??? named siege launchers cost more than the raven gimme what your smoking plz kkthxbye
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.04.18 12:53:00 - [46] Originally by: ErrorS WTF? IT'S EASIER ON A RAVEN BECAUSE WE HAVE 6 WEAPONS? Sorry, but we have 8 high-slots just like the Apoc.. many of us choose to only fit 6, fine.. drop 2 turrets of your apoc and we're on even playing grounds. i'm starting to wonder if you're being rediculous on purpose.. lets just look at something else: raven, caldari bs lvl4, torps lvl4, missile ops lvl5, no balistics, t1 sieges: 14.4s rof, 540dmg /torp... that makes: 262.5dps of chosen dmg type at any range. apoc, t2 megapulses, no dmg mod, 6 guns, no other gunnery skills taken into account: ... mah, crappy dmg in the end. dont bother to calculate that much. In the end, for pvp purposes i leave 2 highslots on raven empty, as dmg from torps/cruises is good enough.
Takrolimus	Posted - 2005.04.18 13:01:00 - [47] you whining raven pilots are missing the point: To fit 6 T2 Tachyons on an apoc is equally hard, the point is, if you want a t2 tank AS WELL then you have to trade down some of your weapons! Eg drop 2 seige for cruise or something.
Selim	Posted - 2005.04.18 13:09:00 - [48] Its possible to fit one of these on a raven, not a tempest though. For just a little bit more ISK I can get a gisti shield booster which is much better and (I think) uses less CPU.
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.04.18 13:19:00 - [49] Originally by: Takrolimus you whining raven pilots are missing the point: To fit 6 T2 Tachyons on an apoc is equally hard, the point is, if you want a t2 tank AS WELL then you have to trade down some of your weapons! Eg drop 2 seige for cruise or something. its hard to fir tech I seiges, ...now think about tech II B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Antic	Posted - 2005.04.18 13:26:00 - [50] arbalest siege launcher 60mill Tach beam laser II 6 mill Compare prices if you compare fitting. be more exact. Compare the new tech 2 siege launchers to the tech 2 weapons and you will see that the numbers get even more interesting. Comparing megapulse or megabeam damage to torpedo damage is futile. Megapulse damage is instant. Torps take 40 seconds to fly even 30km. If raven is as uber as you claim then why are everyone flying geddons when they PVP to gank and not ravens ? :P
Larno	Posted - 2005.04.18 13:32:00 - [51] Xlarge SB II: 120 shield/sec Xlarge C5-L: 120 shield/sec Xlarge SB II: 80 cap/sec Xlarge C5-L: 100 cap/sec Who cares about these stats. TBH they dont mean a thing, as you dont keep your SB on for the whole time when NPCing, and probably wouldnt use something so valuable in PvP (probably costs as much to replace as 3 BS atm). The thing you should be looking at is this: Xlarge SB II: 1.5 shield/cap Xlarge C5-L: 1.2 shield/cap This is the important thing. You drain less cap to keep up your tank against the enemy. Against something like an arma you will be keeping this on the whole time. But what it means is if you have say 7200 cap, you will be able to boost yourself for 10800 shields instead of 8640 before your cap runs out. Thats whats important. Of course you will need to find 60 CPU from somewhere, so this probably is only gonna be used for agent runners and NPCers with makulths or arbs. Which is a shame tbh but at least you have the option of losing a low slot to get a better tank. But on a raven thats the loss of a PDUII which means losing a Nos. :S
Tapulao	Posted - 2005.04.18 13:33:00 - [52] Most interesting discussion. To be thruthfull I have never seen closely how's the life of a raven pilot. But judging from the selling speed of this item at the apparently high prices, I guess it is very popular. On a note on a poster that stated that the shields are 150m. This is not the case any more since we moved the price to way more friendly levels (90m as of this post). I also saw a couple of people that didn't know that this module even exists. It does, and I have an interesting selling/offers thread here As far as I've been told, it's the cap that matters on a raven, because that is it's weak point when ratting. Ofc everything changes when we're talking pvp, mainly because of the price of the module. Finally, on the cpu issue, it was expected. All t2 items have higher fitting requirements and the sb was no exception to the rule. I guess you're expected to use t2 rcu/cpu or expensive named t1 guns.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.04.18 14:38:00 - [53] Actually, I think you'e expected to use T2 ships. They always seem to have a good deal more CPU and grid available to them.
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.04.18 15:58:00 - [54] Quote: gimme what your smoking plz kkthxbye Sure. Come to EO2 and get some. It's for free. ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?"
Captian Swap	Posted - 2005.04.18 17:42:00 - [55] Originally by: Gungankllr So basically, you end up using a little less energy than an XL CL-5, but with the longer boost rate it can really hurt you when you're trying to tank large volumes of damage. Actuily every 60 seconds they do the same ammount of sheild hp repaired... 60/5 = 12 12x600 = 7200 60/4 = 15 15x480 = 7200 and its same with amps.. the ONLY driffrence is tech 2 uses more cpu and powergrid, but it uses 1200 less cap a min.
ErrorS	Posted - 2005.04.18 17:53:00 - [56] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: ErrorS WTF? IT'S EASIER ON A RAVEN BECAUSE WE HAVE 6 WEAPONS? Sorry, but we have 8 high-slots just like the Apoc.. many of us choose to only fit 6, fine.. drop 2 turrets of your apoc and we're on even playing grounds. i'm starting to wonder if you're being rediculous on purpose.. lets just look at something else: raven, caldari bs lvl4, torps lvl4, missile ops lvl5, no balistics, t1 sieges: 14.4s rof, 540dmg /torp... that makes: 262.5dps of chosen dmg type at any range. apoc, t2 megapulses, no dmg mod, 6 guns, no other gunnery skills taken into account: ... mah, crappy dmg in the end. dont bother to calculate that much. In the end, for pvp purposes i leave 2 highslots on raven empty, as dmg from torps/cruises is good enough. excuse me? we have 1 damage skill for Torpedos and Siege launchers.. 1. You have ROF, you have two different damage skills.. in the end, a megapulse outdamages torpedoes before you figure in a torpedo's travel time. I'm talking gun vs. gun, nevermind that you guys fit 7 mega pulses and at most we get 6 siege launchers. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
ErrorS	Posted - 2005.04.18 17:55:00 - [57] and yes a torpedo is stronger without skills.. but if you don't have 2m+ in gunnery, i don't care what ship you fly, you're a newb and you shouldn't be PvPing. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
Weirda	Posted - 2005.04.18 18:32:00 - [58] Probably the most special thing about it (as with other modules) is that you don't have to fit it if it not worth it to you... -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Cummilla	Posted - 2005.04.18 18:45:00 - [59] Sell your Ravens now. The pending missile nerf will own all ur bases!
marioman	Posted - 2005.04.18 19:35:00 - [60] Ok so the general concensus is that XL IIs will be NPC only, seeing as u need expensive named launchers to fit one. Well if u can afford the named launchers u might as well spend the 400m and get a DG XL booster this booster makes the XL II have no point really (not to mention the other named ones like Gist) DG XL 600 shields 400 cap 4s cycle 170 CPU 500 Grid so we have same shield and cap usage, but its 1 second faster, uses less cpu and less grid

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