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O'Dear Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.11.14 02:25:00 - [1] - Quote Hello all, I have just resub Eve recently, pending the release of Dust. I am not new to the game but I have all to catch up and to relearn. Anyway, just out of sheer curiosity: what is the rarest profession these days, and the most sought after one? Thanks!
Tao Dolcino Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2012.11.14 05:46:00 - [2] - Quote I don't know if it's the rarest (after all there must be some players who have invented some original/weird/creative ways to earn thier life ), but as you said "sought after", it sounds to me like you seek some team work. I think then that logistic or ewar pilots are always welcome everywhere
Tasage Tivuri State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.11.14 06:07:00 - [3] - Quote Probably good idea to go in-game and get in touch with some of the veterans and CEOs and ask them if they or anyone they know need something done, from there they can probably provide some low-level work of some sort and if you do well in that and can work your way up you might land yourself in a career of your own, who knows.
J'Poll Kings of the Underground Side Effect. 515	Posted - 2012.11.14 09:39:00 - [4] - Quote O'Dear wrote: Hello all, I have just resub Eve recently, pending the release of Dust. I am not new to the game but I have all to catch up and to relearn. Anyway, just out of sheer curiosity: what is the rarest profession these days, and the most sought after one? Thanks! There is a big difference between rare professions and professions that are in high demand. Cause a profession is hardly done by anyone doesn't automatically means there is a high need for it. Same way around, being in high-demand doesn't mean it's rare to see pilots in that profession. Rare professions: No idea, as I don't count the amount of players doing x, y or z and then look what is rare, but not being a PITA at all is one of the rarest professions as so far anybody I've met in EVE was a PITA at one point. High-demand: Logi pilots (as in the form of logistics ships (remote rep)). You will be loved by ooh so many people who just want to fly the grunt DPS ship. E-war pilots. Same as above, most people want to be just another DPS ship without standing out and be noticed by the enemy. Get into an E-war boat and you will be loved for your ECM / long point / long webs etc. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 221	Posted - 2012.11.14 10:09:00 - [5] - Quote It kinda depend on the play style you're looking for but if you want to be "useful in a group" then have a look at covert ops scouting (a good scout is worth a whole damn lot, sadly most scouts suck. This does mean there's an option for you to shine if you turn out to be a good one), same for logistics pilots (the "healer" type, not the hauler). Amat victoria curam.
Archdaimon NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred 122	Posted - 2012.11.14 10:27:00 - [6] - Quote Standard response is Logistic Pilots.
Aineko Macx Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 221	Posted - 2012.11.14 17:51:00 - [7] - Quote O'Dear wrote: what is the rarest profession these days, and the most sought after one? Logis were already mentioned, but some more: - Combat prober: Excellent for supporting fleet tactics and for fishing for supercap kills. Also, its mostly a matter of player skill and dedication, not skill points. - Bonus character: It's just a matter of skill points, and for most part a very boring role - Jump Freigther character: Great in many ways supporting alliances in 0.0, altho its behind the scenes work.
Solomar Espersei Quality Assurance 225	Posted - 2012.11.14 18:28:00 - [8] - Quote Logi 5 Pilots Incursion FCs JF Freighter Triage Carrier pilots Cap pilots in general Orca pilots Tengu PVE alts Pilots with high enough standings to hang POS in high sec Combat probers Quality Assurance RECRUITING OPEN
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 524	Posted - 2012.11.14 19:49:00 - [9] - Quote I'd say FCing in PVP. For any group of PVPers, you need a FC if you plan on going out in a group of any size greater than ~3-5...But there are very few people who are comfortable with actually leading a fleet because your mistakes not only is it hard to do properly, your mistakes (which you will make) can cause major loss to you and all your fleetmates.
Casirio DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale. 132	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:15:00 - [10] - Quote Archdaimon wrote: Standard response is Logistic Pilots. this. cant recall how many times i hear "logi pilots? seriously? cmon guys"
Denegrah Togasa Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 2	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:32:00 - [11] - Quote Casirio wrote: this. cant recall how many times i hear "logi pilots? seriously? cmon guys" So as a newer player i have a question about this. Is the reason they are in such high demand? Is it because FC's feel like they cannot take a fleet out without some number of Logi? Or is there some other reason? Is it boring to be Logistics?
Casirio DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale. 132	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:53:00 - [12] - Quote Denegrah Togasa wrote: Casirio wrote: this. cant recall how many times i hear "logi pilots? seriously? cmon guys" So as a newer player i have a question about this. Is the reason they are in such high demand? Is it because FC's feel like they cannot take a fleet out without some number of Logi? Or is there some other reason? Is it boring to be Logistics? To be a capable logi pilot (some require logi V skill, which is a long train itself,) it takes quiet a bit of skills to train for it. This of course will change after the expansion and t1 logi frigs and t1 logi cruisers will be viable alternatives until you can skill into the t2 logi ships. They are just a specialized ship with its own training so not everyone can fly them well. And yes being a logi pilot isnt as easy as just targeting and shooting like standard dps role. There is a lot of stuff you have to pay attention to. Those imo, are the reasons why there is always a lack of them.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 2063	Posted - 2012.11.14 21:11:00 - [13] - Quote Denegrah Togasa wrote: So as a newer player i have a question about this. Is the reason they are in such high demand? Is it because FC's feel like they cannot take a fleet out without some number of Logi? Or is there some other reason? Is it boring to be Logistics? The main reasons that I can see for the dearth of logistics pilots is that capsuleers would prefer to: Get on kill mails (all the while stating that, "kill mails don't matter") Fly bling ships Violence other people's stuff It's the same as the healer/DPS dilemma from fantasy MMOs: most people want to play the space rogue, not the space priest. Many people want to be recognised for their contribution: they want certificates of achievement to hang on their wall, and at present the only certificate of achievement is the kill mail. Casirio wrote: To be a capable logi pilot (some require logi V skill, which is a long train itself,) it takes quiet a bit of skills to train for it. It takes less training to get into a Logistics class ship than to get into a pirate hull with T2 weapons. The play style is remarkably different, I agree. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Utsen Dari Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 64	Posted - 2012.11.14 21:13:00 - [14] - Quote Denegrah Togasa wrote: So as a newer player i have a question about this. Is the reason they are in such high demand? Is it because FC's feel like they cannot take a fleet out without some number of Logi? Or is there some other reason? Is it boring to be Logistics? Logi are often critical to mission success, particularly as the fights grow larger. But if they do their job right, they rarely get to show up on kill mails to brag about their statistics. Also, the enemy usually calls them primary, so they die far more often. Is it boring? Hells no, it's like playing guitar hero with the module buttons. Far more exciting being logi than being a random dps ship. Many organizations have rules about reimbursing logistics ships free to encourage folks to fly them, so if you're worried about personal isk-risk in pvp, logi may be a good choice.
Casirio DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale. 132	Posted - 2012.11.14 21:46:00 - [15] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Casirio wrote: To be a capable logi pilot (some require logi V skill, which is a long train itself,) it takes quiet a bit of skills to train for it. It takes less training to get into a Logistics class ship than to get into a pirate hull with T2 weapons. The play style is remarkably different, I agree. With logi V? No, it would take quiet a bit longer. I meant that many FCs will only take a logi V logistics pilot, or it is expected that you will train it to V if you are to be a regular logi pilot. That is quiet a bit longer train than a cynbal with T2 projectiles for instance.
O'Dear Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.11.15 00:57:00 - [16] - Quote Thank you all, Since I still have a bit of catching up to do, could any one tell me more about, or point me to the general direction of, being a logistics pilot, and the setup of a logistics ship? I guess I will be playing either Armarr or Caldari at the moment. But if the other two races give some interesting bonus or benefit, I may look into it too. Many thanks once again.
Tao Dolcino CNTVN 51	Posted - 2012.11.15 06:52:00 - [17] - Quote One thing you should also tell us (unless i have missed it ) is if you prefer to group for PVP or for PVE. Because it will lead you to totally different lifestyles and playstyles.
O'Dear Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.11.15 07:32:00 - [18] - Quote Tao Dolcino wrote: One thing you should also tell us (unless i have missed it ) is if you prefer to group for PVP or for PVE. Because it will lead you to totally different lifestyles and playstyles. A bit of both, really. I prefer team play so I don't normally get into pvp alone. So during those quiet hours, I probably will be doing a bit of pve etc to pass time.
Archdaimon NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred 123	Posted - 2012.11.15 15:26:00 - [19] - Quote Afaik logi pilots are only used for pve in incursions and sometimes in WH (though either Archon triage carrier og remote reps often takes over). I always try to get into the logi group if I can. The tension of fleet fight as a logi pilot is crazy compated to f1 combat pilot. Basically many fights (at least where I fight) comes down to logistics. Being a logi pilot is training for pvp, and it seldom makes sense without being in corporation which has decent sized roaming gangs (Though scimitar and oneiros pilots can turn the tide quite often).
Aptenodytes Reckless Abandon 6	Posted - 2012.11.15 15:55:00 - [20] - Quote Archdaimon wrote: Standard response is Logistic Pilots. More accurate response is good logi pilots. Nothing worse than dying because the logi who promised to keep you alive, didn't know his arse from his elbow.
Casirio DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale. 132	Posted - 2012.11.15 16:00:00 - [21] - Quote Yeah if you decide on Caldari or Amarr you will be deciding (at least initially until you train the other race) shield or armor. Caldari has the Basilisk, shield logi, and Amarr the Guardian, armor logi. I suggest finding a corp that fits your needs and see what they fly, and train accordingly. Edit: here is a good post from a similar question Jan Deltord wrote: There are two sorts of alliances in EvE at the moment - those who are looking after their logi pilots, and those who are losing space horribly. There are two sorts of T2 logi - shield (Basi, Scimi) and armour (Guardian and Onieros). The Scimitar and Oneiros are more capable of operating alone, the Guardian and Basilisk more effective in numbers. T1 logi are getting majorly buffed in December, so you will be able to practice on the T1 versions for much less. The upside is logistics are a massive multiplier in a group. The downside is that logi skills dont help at all soloing. Personally, Id train a shield and an armour logi to T1 standards, and then commit to T2 once you find whether your new corp runs a shield or an armour doctrine (eventually, you'll probably train a shield and an armour logi, as many of the skills apply to both).
O'Dear 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2012.11.16 13:05:00 - [22] - Quote Now I have a good idea of training to be a Logistics. May I ask some other questions? What is the best force multiplier? Is it still Logistics doing remote repair? What is the most effective cc setup? Is cap drain any good? Many thanks!
Yuna Talie-Kuo Lacking In Diplomacy Tribal Band 4	Posted - 2012.11.16 20:25:00 - [23] - Quote O'Dear wrote: Now I have a good idea of training to be a Logistics. May I ask some other questions? What is the best force multiplier? Is it still Logistics doing remote repair? What is the most effective cc setup? Is cap drain any good? Many thanks! 1. Ask away. You've come here to ask, therefore you shall ask. 2. The best force multiplier would be Logistics as well as EWAR. But mostly Logistics Logistics does still do remote repairs, as well energy transfers 3. The capacitor is watched over by each other in the Logistics family. This is what's known as the 'energy chain', where two or more Logistics ships bounce capacitor back and forth. For this to work, you need Energy Emissions Systems V (-25% cap use on such modules, including energy transfer arrays) Capacitor warfare is incredibly underrated, but extremely deadly if done correctly. For such warfare, you would want to go with a Curse/Pilgrim (T2 Amarr Force Recon Cruiser) or the Blood Raiders Pirate Faction ships (The Bhaalgorn being the only ship worth mentioning). Capacitor neutralizing can either shut off a Dreadnought's hardeners, a Carrier's remote support, or silence another neutralizing ship. I don't always do ****. But when I do, it's usually worth doing.
O'Dear 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2012.11.16 22:32:00 - [24] - Quote THANKS! I know now what direction to take.
Keno Skir Vectis Covert Solutions 267	Posted - 2012.11.17 04:22:00 - [25] - Quote Out of interest are you training toward a Guardian now? If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance
O'Dear 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2012.11.17 05:19:00 - [26] - Quote Keno Skir wrote: Out of interest are you training toward a Guardian now? Yes. May be something along the EWar line on the side depending on the circumstances. Ultimately I want to be able to support others - as in being a force multiplier - and to be able to do some control and/or debuffing to the opponents. That is after all my preferred playstyle in as many MMO as I have been in. I tend to use pets (or drones in this game) to do damage, or another indirect means. I am starting this character from the very beginning. This is going to take some time...
Keno Skir Vectis Covert Solutions 267	Posted - 2012.11.17 05:23:00 - [27] - Quote Very nice choice. If you EVER need anything to help you along get in touch, i love making Logi friends and will shower you with ships to do it in. If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance
Jan Deltord Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.11.17 06:37:00 - [28] - Quote O'Dear wrote: [ I tend to use pets (or drones in this game) to do damage, or another indirect means. I am starting this character from the very beginning. This is going to take some time... Remember, your pets are the DPS ships. Note that being a "mercenary logi" can work - there are a lot of players who cant quite do that level 4 mission/incursion/whatever, and having a Logi there makes it a walk in the park. If you join a PvP corp, here is a phrase for you "I have logistics 5. Do you do full replacement for logi ?". If their answer is anything other than 'Yes, we do. And we include rigs", you say 'Thank you, but I'll keep looking around": Logi. Are. That. Important.
O'Dear 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2012.11.17 06:43:00 - [29] - Quote Thank you all!! Thank you all!!
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 834	Posted - 2012.11.17 07:03:00 - [30] - Quote O'Dear wrote: Hello all, I have just resub Eve recently, pending the release of Dust. I am not new to the game but I have all to catch up and to relearn. Anyway, just out of sheer curiosity: what is the rarest profession these days, and the most sought after one? Thanks! First of all FC's, after that dedicated PVP Logistics pilots are the most sought after in the game. Following that good and dedicated scouts. It's not unusual when alliances forming an op to prioritize that as the most wanted ship in the fleet. But these aren't really professions, your unlikely to make money while doing it. Ultimately at the moment as far as money making goes there are no "niches" that are unfilled.

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