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Death Shiela
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Death Shiela on 19/04/2005 00:24:48
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:25:00 -
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As an ex-Member of Dark Seraph, I feel amazingly furious over the actions against UQS & AM.
Corp theft on any level, whether its 2 million or 20 billion isk is the lowest form of humanity I've ever seen. I know Mirial spent a good portion of time building up MIR corp and then merging with the other corporations to produce what was the beginnings of a very good Alliance in Eve only to have it wiped away within days of this alliance being formed.
I wish UQS all the best in recovering from these losses and if I can assist in any way, please evemail me in game.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/04/2005 18:50:06
We did. Corp theft is just one part of our mercenary packages - we also fight in space, as clearly evidenced by my signature file which portrays a ship shooting lasers at something.
Mining lasers I bet 
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TIvian
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:48:00 -
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May I offer condolences from Black Omega Security.
And please allow me to offer you something to think about: Some one hired them to do this. And as a corporation this is not the first time that some one has been hired to conduct operations against you.
You might want to reconsider your corporations internal policys and how you conduct your corporate affairs. And how your people conduct them selves in open space.
The best thing you can do is to not let this bring you down. And to rise above it even stronger and better then before. THAT IS THE BEST revenge.
The worst thing you can do is let this small simple minded insignificant corp theft be more then what it really is.
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:58:00 -
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I have long believed two things about warfare in Eve.
1.) Deciet and cunning are often one in the same, being employed legally and withen the system to turn to your advantage is totally acceptable.
2.) Anything that can turn to your advantage is always a possible solution.
That said I also beleive:
3.) Victory without finess is like beating up a passed out *****head.
What GHSC did lacks finess. It says a lot about them. it says they cant use cunning or finess to its strongest point. It demonstrates that the most they are capable of doing is stealing and crippling an oponent through only one for of cunning and deciet. It really make me pity them. It doesnt say much for the intellect of thier leaders if they consider THAT to be an achievement, much less a glorious one. Me, I'd love to fight an opponent like them if only to show off the superiority my own intellect that that of any allies and subordinates.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
fugazii
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:16:00 -
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sucks ;/
out of curiosity tho, what they steal that was worth all those bils?
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Mac Knife
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: fugazii
sucks ;/
out of curiosity tho, what they steal that was worth all those bils?
Malediction bpo must be worth a few bill i guess.
Yeah this sux but i gotta say it was a bloody good job for GHSC to get in get access and steal everything they could, kinda makes you watch who you trust now 
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Calderio
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:44:00 -
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corp thefts are the lame, i had some friends in venom corp get banned after some guy raided the corp.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: fugazii
sucks ;/
out of curiosity tho, what they steal that was worth all those bils?
There's a brief list of some of the more valuable things we swiped in the Intergalactic Summit forum. Look for the Guiding Hand Social Club topic.
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fugazii
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Posted - 2005.04.19 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: fugazii
sucks ;/
out of curiosity tho, what they steal that was worth all those bils?
There's a brief list of some of the more valuable things we swiped in the Intergalactic Summit forum. Look for the Guiding Hand Social Club topic.
ahhh so it was all a merc job then? well that changes everything, gj on ur hiest. the original poster, makes u guys out for something entirely differant. guess u should be more carefull who u **** off >.<
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.04.19 02:33:00 -
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While I think corp theft suck, I must applaud GHSC for a well-done job. Such a longterm plan is very difficult to pull off and it's very impressive that it was done so well. Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is that corporate espionage is an effective tool for hurting one's opponents. It's one of the few ways really to hurt a corp in this game or in the real world.
It would, of course, be nice if we had the proper tools to defend against this sort of thing, but the devs are taking their time implementing them, so many people have to suffer because of this.
The whole incident, however, serves as a good warning to all corps that anything can happen, no matter how hard one plans, nor the security measures they inact. So keep an eye out for your property, and don't trust anyone.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.04.19 02:44:00 -
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Not difficult imo because you must risk trusting people you dont know with corp assets.
Make alt
Train alt up a bit
Join target corp
Work way up through ranks (gain their trust)
Get director access
Clean corp out
Biggest problem in eve is a lack of a justice system. Theft is legal in terms of eve since no mechanics exist to prevent a director from waltzing of with everything.
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EL TITAN
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:12:00 -
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Ive heard that Mirial was a thief herself. and that these people wanted to get her back by doing this? if that is true then, I think payback is fine ;o
anyone know if its true though?
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
Not difficult imo because you must risk trusting people you dont know with corp assets.
Make alt
Train alt up a bit
Join target corp
Work way up through ranks (gain their trust)
Get director access
Clean corp out
Biggest problem in eve is a lack of a justice system. Theft is legal in terms of eve since no mechanics exist to prevent a director from waltzing of with everything.
I think you pointed out the difficulty just fine, assuming it's not a stupid corp that gives everybody access to everything.
This sort of long-term planning is something to be admired. We can hate it as well, but often in life we can admire the effort put into something nasty even if we deride the effect it has. Many law-enforcement people can respect the effort put into a high-stakes bank robbery that took a great deal of planning, even if they want to geld those who did it.
Sadly, though, CCP makes it all to easy to pull off this sort of stunt once the proper authority is given. At least GHSC isn't hiding behind an alt who did this, and those effected are free to take retribution against those who harmed them.
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Kular
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:17:00 -
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No evidence has ever been presented to show she was guilty...
We have all the evidence we need to pove Arenis and Istvaans guilt however....
Just to remind people here.
NEVER trust anyone who has worked for GHSC boot them from your corps immediatly.
I urge all corps in EVE to have nothing to do with these lamers, except to perhaps destroy them for their cowardly acts...
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:31:00 -
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Evidence? Prove? Guilt? You make us sound like we're denying this.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.04.19 06:19:00 -
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What I want to know is why Ubiqua Seraph decided to give someone who had the Guiding Hand Social Club on his resume director status.
Besides that, let me just say that this must be the biggest crime in EVE history.
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Shinden
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Posted - 2005.04.19 06:20:00 -
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Imprudence is congruent with 'Jack's broken moral compass' It would seem. Personally, the mere thought of such actions fills me with repugnance. However, I still find it heartening that the hammer of WTFPWNVENGANCE draws nearer to falling with every hour between now and when the deed was done.
Besides being vexed, my mind is boggled on the matter of how in the hell you could have thought there was going to be a reaction to this that fit into your cost benifit schemes. Furthermore, you've still got to get the idea, which you so innocently touted as 'legal', past the GM's whos maxim is "How can we make this fun for everyone, so they will keep their subscriptions?" I mean... honestly, gameplay for the perpatrators of this deed is about to get vastly complicated.
Put plainly: How do you intend to defend yourself from the backlash that committing something so universially aggravating will most certainly present itself?
P.S. Much condolances to Mirial and the corp.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shingen
Put plainly: How do you intend to defend yourself from the backlash that committing something so universially aggravating will most certainly present itself?
I suppose I'll have to cross that bridge when I come to it.
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2005.04.19 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatters on 19/04/2005 07:30:21
Sad stuff, which no one can be protected from unless they know the person in real life, a blow to the entire community everyone, is vulnerable.
ItĘs a pity CCP donĘt look at these cases on a one on one basis and take appropriate action.
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Domatavus Fallatus
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Posted - 2005.04.19 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Domatavus Fallatus on 19/04/2005 09:20:20
Edited by: Domatavus Fallatus on 19/04/2005 08:53:02
[possible "xploit" removed by me after reading abdalions post......]
so if this was used in this scam, i guess the main part of it was done by using this bug/xpl0!T?! (dunno details just character selling & corp theft -> that little memory i had ;-) )
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Razor Jaxx
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Posted - 2005.04.19 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 19/04/2005 08:56:02
Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 19/04/2005 08:54:13
Originally by: Domatavus Fallatus
afaik when transfering a character It SHOULD be in a NPC corp and else it shouldn't work... though it DOES ( at least when i tried...)
therefor this is a bug/xpl0!T?
You assume the heist was perpetrated that way, but look at Mirial's and Arenis' respective employement histories, and dates...
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Domatavus Fallatus
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Posted - 2005.04.19 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Jaxx
Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 19/04/2005 08:56:02
Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 19/04/2005 08:54:13
Originally by: Domatavus Fallatus
afaik when transfering a character It SHOULD be in a NPC corp and else it shouldn't work... though it DOES ( at least when i tried...)
therefor this is a bug/xpl0!T?
You assume the heist was perpetrated that way, but look at Mirial's and Arenis' respective employement histories, and dates...
i'm unable to go ingame atm, but you may agree that most probably, the theft would not have occured as likely as without this bug.
on a personal note, I very much despise any corp theft, not to talk about when you go brag about it. I'd consider logging off in combat honorable in comparison.
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2005.04.19 09:29:00 -
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I just want to say well done HG.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.04.19 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 19/04/2005 10:52:12
Originally by: Shinden
Put plainly: How do you intend to defend yourself from the backlash that committing something so universially aggravating will most certainly present itself?
No. The question to ask GHSC is this: How do you intend to make time to deal with all of the new contracts that are likely to come your way? 
Originally by: Shinden
P.S. Much condolances to Mirial and the corp
For what? Bah.
GHSC fulfills the role of The Boogeyman better than any other organization in this game. BDCI and our MC partners are one type of mercenary; GHSC is another. Each of us fills a role within the game. Whether I support GHSC's actions or not is a moot point. The fact is that they broke no in-game rules and did something on a scale that I dare say no one else in the game has the patience and determination to acomplish.
Hate them all you want. Trust me - they revel in it! 
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.04.19 12:40:00 -
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Just a couple of points on this, but I'd like to say good luck Ubiqua Seraph in your rebuilding.
First off, as a merc, anything (within game mechanics and rules) goes to fulfil the clients contract. GH-SC do this very well. Everyone beware.
Secondly, the victims here within Ubiqua Seraph had all of the tools at their disposal to prevent this happening. From the employment records of the people they hired, to having the blueprints locked down, alot was preventable. They made mistakes (like unlocking all of the BPo's to the ex-GH-SC member) and paid for them.
If anything, this will perhaps help other corporations review their security and prevent this happening again . . . for a time until they forget. As they always do. End of the day, just remember that other good will come from this; more contracts for mercs from people who want vengance and a nasty job done.
Again, good luck Ubiqua Seraph in your rebuilding and remember, you do know where the people that robbed you are, and the list of people who could have paid for this lies with Mirial.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.04.19 12:48:00 -
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is corptheft a part of the game ? CCP does not act as concord in these matters ? if they dont i can understand why, but still its so lame and so low to do. good for you guys that you decide to keep playing instead of calling it quits, when i see this basterd i wont hasitate to pull the F1 - F8 trigger 
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2005.04.19 13:47:00 -
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I cant believe anyone is impressed by this.
The only skill involved here is the ability to lie on the internet for a few months. It's not like they ever had to look anyone in the eye.
Lame.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 14:00:00 -
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Quote:
is corptheft a part of the game ? CCP does not act as concord in these matters ? if they dont i can understand why, but still its so lame and so low to do. good for you guys that you decide to keep playing instead of calling it quits, when i see this basterd i wont hasitate to pull the F1 - F8 trigger
EVE Chronicle - Big Fish, Little Fish
Good luck with that trigger pulling.
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Namelesz
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:10:00 -
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/me applauds 
Anyone who lived around Syndicate/Solitude back when the game came out knows of Mirial and her evil deeds way back when. Many of us hunted her now and then when we could find her newest hiding holes. Ask any of the older/former members of JGR or maybe check her employment history and ask some of the corp members in those corps what she might or might not have done.
All I gotta say is, payback is a beeotch!
-Namelesz
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