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Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2005.04.20 11:08:00 - [91] i dont see one reason why ccp allows this - i mean they also loose money through that.. and to the thieves, use weapons not such a lame tactic..
Velios	Posted - 2005.04.20 11:28:00 - [92] Corp thieves suck. Even just reading about what happens to other people spoiles the enjoyment for other CEO's, you begin to doubt people that should be beyond doubt.
Kurenin	Posted - 2005.04.20 11:29:00 - [93] Originally by: Beringe Istvaan has had a lot better comebacks that this one. In fact, his past self has had a few stronger combacks than this one to his own actions. Past self? Fool. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Kurenin	Posted - 2005.04.20 11:33:00 - [94] Originally by: Meridius Ra I'm surprised none of the Amarr religous types have mentioned this: The ninth level of Hell is reserved for the betrayers. What has this got to do with the Empire? ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Nelson Vandermark	Posted - 2005.04.20 11:38:00 - [95] Edited by: Nelson Vandermark on 20/04/2005 11:38:37 Heh, kinda of stuipd when you think about it, the amout of time it took them to pull this off they could have earned one thousand times more then what the stole.
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.04.20 11:54:00 - [96] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 20/04/2005 16:51:46 -
Kurenin	Posted - 2005.04.20 11:56:00 - [97] Originally by: Nelson Vandermark Edited by: Nelson Vandermark on 20/04/2005 11:38:37 Heh, kinda of stuipd when you think about it, the amout of time it took them to pull this off they could have earned one thousand times more then what the stole. You're saying, that you could earn one thousand times the amount in assets stolen from UQS in the time it took to plan and execute the operation? You must be a god. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Dragon Master	Posted - 2005.04.20 12:49:00 - [98] So far I have yet to see anyone bring conclusive proof of Mirial being guilty of what she's accused of other than "He said, she said" things. So far I'll give the accused the benefit of the doubt rather than the confirmed gloating corp thief. For all I know it could just be a made up reason to make themselves look like they're doing something good when they're nothing more than corp thieves.
OSughhi	Posted - 2005.04.20 13:27:00 - [99] Lowest. If they can lie, deceive and stole in such manner, I can assume all their post and affirmations about motivation, well planed executed, proud and all that garbages can be also same deceive and lies to all other eve's members regarding their immage. ... I am a liar. Believe me, I tell you the truth.
Namelesz	Posted - 2005.04.20 13:33:00 - [100] Edited by: Namelesz on 20/04/2005 13:34:25 Originally by: Darth Revanant Originally by: Namelesz /me applauds Anyone who lived around Syndicate/Solitude back when the game came out knows of Mirial and her evil deeds way back when. Many of us hunted her now and then when we could find her newest hiding holes. Ask any of the older/former members of JGR or maybe check her employment history and ask some of the corp members in those corps what she might or might not have done. All I gotta say is, payback is a beeotch! By all means, I've been asking anyone I heard of on the subject to show me some evidence. Feel free to contact me in game and I'll facilitate the transfer of any evidence you or anyone else may have. I bet I don't get a single mail on the issue though. Prove me wrong. By the way, just because ghsc says they were hired, doesn't mean it's true. The stuff they got was more than enough incentive. While I'm at it Namelesz, that first quote in your sig was originally Chesty Puller. Don't bother looking for him in your P&P. If you're going to quote someone, quote a real man. (No offence to Judicator, I've no clue who he is.) I will evemail you when in game, hope you're not one of those lamers setting their inbox settings to 1mil isk. . . . and yea, thanx for the critique on my sig, way to be on topic. Just puttin up two quotes I saw that mad me chuckle . . . and Judicator is someone that used to be around alot long time ago. Ask Mirial yourself who TCT is. She was in it right about the time I joined which was around July'03(not 100% sure on exact dates) and ask her why she has no friends that were in that corp and why us and JGR hunted her and gave her her first Bship loss. I will fill you in more in my evemail. -Namelesz "I never run away. I merely advance in the opposite direction." -Judicator "She was so dumb, the smartest thing to ever come out of her mouth was my *****."

Cary Grant	Posted - 2005.04.20 13:49:00 - [101] Good/Bad/Right or Wrong, good luck in your rebuilding and in your newly formed alliance.
Wakita	Posted - 2005.04.20 14:55:00 - [102] Your support of a scammer is wrong UQS. You brought this on yourself by associating with a common criminal. So many people have said Mirial is a scammer do you believe its all some conspiracy? Get real and get a clue. You've paid the price for her crimes. She is responsible for this. She alienated half of Eve and brought this to your front door. Why dont you ask her if shes a scammer? If shes an honorable player like the rest of you seem to be she will admit it and resign. If not she is a liar. She deserves to rot for her scams and corp theft of Matari loyalist corporations. She stole from my people. She will pay. She has paid as have you. Wakita Call of Freedom We Shall be Free Ronin of Matar alone on the path
Dragon Master	Posted - 2005.04.20 15:03:00 - [103] Actually that doesn't prove anything Wakita. No offence to you either but you're not the arbitrator of truth either. I have as much or as little reason to believe Mirial as you. Just because a lot of people say something doesn't make it true per se. I can get a group of my friends to say so and so did this , without having any proof other than suspicion or even doing it on purpose to frame someone. Not everything one hears on the grapevine is true. If there's proof, provide it in the form of screenshots or something. Again so far I'm just hearing the "He said it" or "A and B said it" which is at best merely circumstantial evidence. A court of law doesn't convict purely on testimony as people can lie, be mistaken, have ulterior motives, etc... and I won't either as I have no idea what the situation is or was.
Mortuus	Posted - 2005.04.20 17:00:00 - [104] War takes many many forms. GH-SC pulled of an excellent job, and frankly, show what mercs are made of. They do anything for money, and complete their job. How much better can you get? Honor? Honor has no place on the battlefield. Only in duels and the minds of people that don't fight. Do you think the ganks that make up the majority of kills in wars are honorable? 5:1? 10:1? It doesn't matter, one side was prepared, the other wasn't, they paid the price. A valuable lesson learned, much like no AFKing in low sec.
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.04.20 17:16:00 - [105] Originally by: Nelson Vandermark Edited by: Nelson Vandermark on 20/04/2005 11:38:37 Heh, kinda of stuipd when you think about it, the amout of time it took them to pull this off they could have earned one thousand times more then what the stole. So, if they got say 20bn worth of lewt, they could have made 20,000bn by doing something else in five months? Wanna tell me your secret? And what it comes to the "you could have made more doing something else" argument, that's just retarded. You think pie rats are in the business for money or for fun? I don't want to grind agent missions 24/7 ..
Stavros	Posted - 2005.04.20 19:19:00 - [106] Edited by: Stavros on 20/04/2005 19:36:00 <3 hg + anonymous other people! -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Kayscha	Posted - 2005.04.21 05:29:00 - [107] Generally, I do not support griefing under any circumstances, yet I fail to see people's logic here. EVE, or so I've come to understand, has in part always been about agressive PVP, consciously allowing players not to just beat other players but to actually destroy and loot their accumulated resources within the limits of the game. In this light, theft and deceit are certainly no worse than killing, arguably even far more ethical. The real problem here is, that embezzlement currently has no in-game consequence (aside from making the thief rich, that is). Bereft parties cannot effectively demand the embezzler to be outlawed, the bounty system is not really working and a perpetrator's assets cannot be impounded or otherwise be seperated from him unless he either takes them for a flight or carelessly entrusts them to his enemies. It is my understanding that there should be a consequence for any possible action in the game, and thus this can currently be regarded as an exploit. Of course, there is an out-of-game consequence here, being that corps are going to be paranoid for a while, nobody is going to trust GHSC beyond their ability to throw an apoc and the perpetrator himself is likely to be shot on sight by quite a few people. But that's not the same. As far as covert merc ops go, GHSC should be commended for their professionality in publicly boasting about their deed like this - stupidity, much as greed, knows no bounds, it seems. But I guess nothing more is to be expected from people who take pride in the deeds of others...
Wrok	Posted - 2005.04.21 18:45:00 - [108] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu we also fight in space, as clearly evidenced by my signature file which portrays a ship shooting lasers at something. hahaha No comment on the matter at hand, but Istvaan, that was one of the damn funniest things I've ever read on these forums.
Wendat Huron	Posted - 2005.04.21 20:00:00 - [109] How is this a job well done? There is no way in hell people can protect themselves from it. Corporations need to admit new members and need to trust people to get anywhere. Corp theft is easy as hell to pull off and quite possibly the largest turn-off this game has. I'd like to see the GHSC add accounts cancelled to their spoils, victims willing. Just to show everyone what a valuable dimension they add to the game.
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.04.21 20:32:00 - [110] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 21/04/2005 20:32:56 We actually do include those in our client intel sheet - a player who cancels his account as a result of our actions is categorized as 'deserter' along with other players who merely flee the target corporation.

OVERCOPES 1	Posted - 2005.04.21 22:48:00 - [111] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 21/04/2005 20:32:56 We actually do include those in our client intel sheet - a player who cancels his account as a result of our actions is categorized as 'deserter' along with other players who merely flee the target corporation. so having causing someone to leave the game through your lame ass corp theft i.e destroying almost 2 years of work,you then class them as deserters. man i bet you your a sad little man in real life,that got bullied at school and you feel the need for pay back through the internet,because your a weak person in R/L and you hate yourself for it.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.04.21 23:05:00 - [112] what me amazes is that piracy got nerfed down to non-existance from day one, while corp thiefing is as easy as ever in Eve somehow this is interesting, corp thiefing must be more valuable game style then pirating Wanna fly with me?
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.04.21 23:15:00 - [113] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 21/04/2005 23:19:37 Originally by: OVERREACTS so having causing someone to leave the game through your lame ass corp theft i.e destroying almost 2 years of work,you then class them as deserters. Well, yes. GHSC has four classifications which appear on our intel sheets (webpages we create for our clients to view, containing member list, tactical info, casualties inflicted and funny hate mail / smacktalk from our targets) - these are active, inactive, deserter and Judas. The first two are obvious, the next one I've explained, and a Judas is the inevitable willing collaborator in the enemy ranks who sells out his kin in exchange for safety. We always find one or two of these, always. Quote: man i bet you your a sad little man in real life,that got bullied at school and you feel the need for pay back through the internet,because your a weak person in R/L and you hate yourself for it. Actually I'm a pretty tall and happy man in real life, whose high school experiences were a blast, and who knows how to have fun on the internet without it consuming him like it has consumed you.
OVERCOPES 1	Posted - 2005.04.21 23:38:00 - [114] Edited by: OVERCOPES 1 on 21/04/2005 23:43:49 consumed me?how so weak little man,pray tell. im not the one gloating of his acivement off wrecking someones gaming hobby and then calling them deserters for not having the will to work for another 2 years. and you say this is fun to you,that you know how to have fun over the internet i suppose having been bullied all your life you'd have a warped sense of perspective.
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.04.22 00:11:00 - [115] Right.
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.04.22 00:19:00 - [116] Originally by: OVERCOPES 1 Edited by: OVERCOPES 1 on 21/04/2005 23:43:49 consumed me?how so weak little man,pray tell. im not the one gloating of his acivement off wrecking someones gaming hobby and then calling them deserters for not having the will to work for another 2 years. and you say this is fun to you,that you know how to have fun over the internet i suppose having been bullied all your life you'd have a warped sense of perspective. No, being Polish all his life did that to him. From what I've seen, HG mostly bullies other people.
Dorothina	Posted - 2005.04.22 03:30:00 - [117] I haven't really followed this all the way through.. don't really need to. The concepts and ideas behind this corp theft are just and sound from the perspective of the thieving party, I'm sure, and are not entirely unique to the Eve universe. Keep in mind that this is a game, and as such there are Rules. GHSC, in the end, has done nothing more than bend some of the virtual rules in order to acheive said goal: theft. But this isn't the point. The point is that in 2 years or so when Eve-Online is past the prime and gone, a multi-billion Isk corp theft isn't going to matter one little bit. It has been done, get over it. It might not even matter in two weeks. what happens on my TV at home barely matters 2 hours after the news is over. consider: 1) GHSC says that thay brand all quiters post-act as "deserters". uh-huh.. GHSC.. you don't make the rules, and this is a bogus declaration. you can't brand anyone as anything because your opinion matters as little as mine. that's not opinion, that's fact. 2) if this were real life, i doubt very much that you'd have the guts to stick around and chat about it in the forums. validating a point that you don't actually take the theft seriously, and no-one else that reads this should take you seriously either. 3) i am more than positive that in the future the Dev's will fix the small oversight of corp theft being as possible as it is. in comparison to one of my previous statements and in contrary to how i think of games; Eve is a virtual world that simply hasn't had all the bugs worked out. bugs that keep it from being more real. 4) better keep the 'beaten in school' and nationality-based remarks to oneself before this gets out-of-hand. that includes everyone. 5) the items stolen belong to CCP, and if they so chose they could simply take it all back, reset the podkilled pilot's status, give the ship back, ect ect.. then how would GHSC feel? ... blah blah blah in the blink of an eye or during downtime everything changes. but the only thing they probably care about is that balance in-game might be a litte 'off'.
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.04.22 03:44:00 - [118] Originally by: Dorkothina 1) GHSC says that thay brand all quiters post-act as "deserters". uh-huh.. GHSC.. you don't make the rules, and this is a bogus declaration. you can't brand anyone as anything because your opinion matters as little as mine. that's not opinion, that's fact. It's just a term we use on our intel sheets, don't get your panties in a bunch. Quote: 2) if this were real life, i doubt very much that you'd have the guts to stick around and chat about it in the forums. validating a point that you don't actually take the theft seriously, and no-one else that reads this should take you seriously either. Pls check the player gatherings forum and tell me that again.
Dorothina	Posted - 2005.04.22 04:17:00 - [119] Edited by: Dorothina on 22/04/2005 04:18:22 Edited by: Dorothina on 22/04/2005 04:17:52 ah, my point was askew. i meant that in the world of Eve you don't take it seriously. for the sake of the real world i hope that you take real theft seriously. ;) as far as the actual act is concerened.. i doubted the fact that if you deceived someone into stealing their car from them, i don't think you'd publicly admit to being in organized crime and pointing people to read your charter. "Dorkothina" in the quote huh.. cute ;)
Stormfront	Posted - 2005.04.22 06:59:00 - [120] Edited by: Stormfront on 22/04/2005 06:59:55 Well TBH, he would probably boast about it from a cave in Afghanistan like a Butt bandit named UsamaBinladen. You could say hes a butt bandit in Eve.. scum.. but then its a game.



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