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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Astarte Nosferatu on 24/04/2005 19:05:06
Shak'tol, or Hello to all.
I'm here to inform the public that Ubiqua Seraph [UQS] and Aegis Militia [AM] still are operational, and we will continue the fight against the Minmatar rebels and pirate corporations alike, despite the corp theft that occured today.
Guiding Hand robs UQS
We will not give up, we will not abandon our corporation and our Empire, and we will not, not now, and not in the future surrender to such criminal and despicable acts inflicted on Ubiqua Seraph today. We stand by our CEO Mirial, that seems to be the main target of this, and as true Seraphim we will survive, adapt and thrive once more.
Arenis Xemdal was a member of Ubiqua Seraph for five months, working hard for our corporation, and he seemed to be a very loyal member. But after the purchase of a character in our corp, after that person quited EvE, he was ready to steal everything what we worked the last year for. Not only does our loss in isk is estimated 25-40 billion, the biggest loss is our trust in other people.
Be sure, we will get over it, and we will be back to slaying our enemies.
Corporations, watch out. You never know that the person you know for 2 years and trust with your clone will betray you, and countless others with you...
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siim
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:47:00 -
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The ppl that did this are sad 'griefers'
I'm glad to see that you still continue
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.04.18 16:50:00 -
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I hope you declare on GHSC for this.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Krapz
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:06:00 -
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It's really sad to see people play the game just to simply ruin the game time of others in this way. It's not really like PvP at all. It's kinda sad IMO, and spiteful on a whole new level. Tough to respect ppl who lie/cheat/steal and prey on others fortunes.
Anyways, it's good to see you guys are fighting through all this. Best of luck in sticking to your guns.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:14:00 -
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stealing stuff is lame
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:15:00 -
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yeh, good luck to you.
Corp theft is a lame and despicable act imo.
Sadly when its done there is nothing you can do about it.
The culprits can just hide away and there is no way you can inflict such damage back at them. I'm also guessing that the guiding hand people will sell off the stuff now...
I just hope that people wont buy a "hot" bpo... even tho it will prolly be done with a alt... meh its just sad and you got my deepest condolances.
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:19:00 -
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corptheft sucks, hope you guys recover soon.
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Lord Draco
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Posted - 2005.04.18 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Draco on 18/04/2005 17:39:24
 Originally by: Krapz
It's really sad to see people play the game just to simply ruin the game time of others in this way. It's not really like PvP at all. It's kinda sad IMO, and spiteful on a whole new level. Tough to respect ppl who lie/cheat/steal and prey on others fortunes.
Anyways, it's good to see you guys are fighting through all this. Best of luck in sticking to your guns.
What he said
I hope you petiton and get everything back so we can mock for all eternity. Corp theft is lame and you probably didnt even have a contract, probably just made all that up.
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Pylse
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:10:00 -
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That is just weak. I feel sorry for you guys, corp theft is a thing that is reserved for the weakest beings ever to exist (or not exist as it would be if I could place them on the bad side of my guns)
Blowing their haulers up and taking their stuff that way is much better! (*cough*) =P
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:11:00 -
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Anyways, petitions don't help, the GM's have informed us they will not interfere in this.
That's the game I guess...
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sochin on 20/04/2005 06:32:39
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Stockton D
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:25:00 -
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I'd like to wish UQS a swift recovery.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:33:00 -
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Corp Theft sucks.
Grow some balls and fight with guns and ships instead of that lame crap.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/04/2005 18:50:06
We did. Corp theft is just one part of our mercenary packages - we also fight in space, as clearly evidenced by my signature file which portrays a ship shooting lasers at something.
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Heliodor Mordureau
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Posted - 2005.04.18 18:55:00 -
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Corp Theft is as lame as it gets.
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Threat
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:04:00 -
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My condolances on the loss. I'm glad to see that you are not giving up. Had the same happen to a former corp. Hurt alot but we survived, and friendships actually got stronger.
Good luck
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:05:00 -
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Cleaned thread, unlocked.
Do NOT post about potential/possible exploits on the forums.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:07:00 -
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That's the best part, no rules were broken. The only thing we have transgressed against are the moral values upheld by a portion of the Eve community.
Those values don't matter to us at all.
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:35:00 -
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One can only hope that whoever initiated this amoral scheme finds sleep hard to come by.
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slothe
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:37:00 -
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I dont really like you much, but i think corp theft to that scale sucks. So i hope things go better in the future.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.04.18 19:45:00 -
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Now thats a corp theft
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.04.18 20:29:00 -
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Wish you guys the best.
Sucks that you got gheyed by scum.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.04.18 20:30:00 -
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Corp thefts the lowest of the low in my eyes as it's an outright betrayal of trust, hope Ubiqua Seraph gets back on it's feet and eventually gets it's own back in time.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:27:00 -
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"All part of the game" as I keep hearing.
Like:
Ganking newbs in 0,5+ empire without a war dec.
'Stealing' ore or loot.
Scamming - like zeepo.
etc,...
Corp theft is no different to any of the above actions - all just part of the game.
Nothing in the CCP 'rules' makes it illegal so (until they change any of that) you all just need to deal with it. Write some well reasoned e-mails to the devs if you get the urge to try to change things.
Look Ma, I'm not posting with a ghey alt either!
As Rollin is always telling everyone "CCP gave you the tools..."
Don't whine - adapt or quit! 
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IamBen
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:45:00 -
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corp theft = lame.
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Arenis Xemdal
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Posted - 2005.04.18 21:58:00 -
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Lovely banner image.
The artist should be applauded.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: siim
The ppl that did this are sad 'griefers'
I'm glad to see that you still continue
What he said 
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Razor Jaxx
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 18/04/2005 22:55:27
So UQS lost 25-40 billions worth of assets to theft.
As taken from the BoB killboard - enemy assets lost for the month of march 2005: 62.8 billions. Net asset losses inflicted (ie minus BoB's own losses): 48 billions.
Now please explain to me how one is lamer than the other? Loss of assets negates people's 'hard work' at some stage, whether it's stolen or blown up in space. If you're a pvper and think what GH-SC did is lame, you should consider stopping firing at people and think about taking on a more peaceful activity yourself.
And I'm totally impartial in this, I have nothing against UQS and wish them well in rebuilding, nor am I favoring GH-SC who eventually might come after my own assets someday, but this is beyond the point.
All I'm saying is, different tools, same result.
Edit : the BoB killboard example is just that, an example. I'm not blaming BoB - which I was part of for quite some time - anymore than I'm blaming such and such. Actually I'm not blaming ANYONE, that's the point I'm trying to make, heh.
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Aman Sul
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Posted - 2005.04.18 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Aman Sul on 18/04/2005 22:56:38
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
"All part of the game" as I keep hearing.
Like:
Ganking newbs in 0,5+ empire without a war dec.
'Stealing' ore or loot.
Scamming - like zeepo.
etc,...
Corp theft is no different to any of the above actions - all just part of the game.
Nothing in the CCP 'rules' makes it illegal so (until they change any of that) you all just need to deal with it. Write some well reasoned e-mails to the devs if you get the urge to try to change things.
Look Ma, I'm not posting with a ghey alt either!
As Rollin is always telling everyone "CCP gave you the tools..."
Don't whine - adapt or quit!
This is way different and MUCH Ghey'r
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Tatzlwurm
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Posted - 2005.04.18 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tatzlwurm on 18/04/2005 23:31:04
you people honestly think Mirial is any more of a Saint? She has been hunted for her acts several times and she herself was involved in MANY acts of corp thievery. Shes a coward and has never fought a fair fight against anyone.
I for one am happy to hear she and those who follow her got some payback. Couldnt run this time huh Mirial???
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Death Shiela
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Death Shiela on 19/04/2005 00:24:48
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:25:00 -
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As an ex-Member of Dark Seraph, I feel amazingly furious over the actions against UQS & AM.
Corp theft on any level, whether its 2 million or 20 billion isk is the lowest form of humanity I've ever seen. I know Mirial spent a good portion of time building up MIR corp and then merging with the other corporations to produce what was the beginnings of a very good Alliance in Eve only to have it wiped away within days of this alliance being formed.
I wish UQS all the best in recovering from these losses and if I can assist in any way, please evemail me in game.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/04/2005 18:50:06
We did. Corp theft is just one part of our mercenary packages - we also fight in space, as clearly evidenced by my signature file which portrays a ship shooting lasers at something.
Mining lasers I bet 
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TIvian
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:48:00 -
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May I offer condolences from Black Omega Security.
And please allow me to offer you something to think about: Some one hired them to do this. And as a corporation this is not the first time that some one has been hired to conduct operations against you.
You might want to reconsider your corporations internal policys and how you conduct your corporate affairs. And how your people conduct them selves in open space.
The best thing you can do is to not let this bring you down. And to rise above it even stronger and better then before. THAT IS THE BEST revenge.
The worst thing you can do is let this small simple minded insignificant corp theft be more then what it really is.
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2005.04.19 00:58:00 -
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I have long believed two things about warfare in Eve.
1.) Deciet and cunning are often one in the same, being employed legally and withen the system to turn to your advantage is totally acceptable.
2.) Anything that can turn to your advantage is always a possible solution.
That said I also beleive:
3.) Victory without finess is like beating up a passed out *****head.
What GHSC did lacks finess. It says a lot about them. it says they cant use cunning or finess to its strongest point. It demonstrates that the most they are capable of doing is stealing and crippling an oponent through only one for of cunning and deciet. It really make me pity them. It doesnt say much for the intellect of thier leaders if they consider THAT to be an achievement, much less a glorious one. Me, I'd love to fight an opponent like them if only to show off the superiority my own intellect that that of any allies and subordinates.
I am Jack's broken moral compass. I am Jack's STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer... |
fugazii
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:16:00 -
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sucks ;/
out of curiosity tho, what they steal that was worth all those bils?
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Mac Knife
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: fugazii
sucks ;/
out of curiosity tho, what they steal that was worth all those bils?
Malediction bpo must be worth a few bill i guess.
Yeah this sux but i gotta say it was a bloody good job for GHSC to get in get access and steal everything they could, kinda makes you watch who you trust now 
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Calderio
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:44:00 -
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corp thefts are the lame, i had some friends in venom corp get banned after some guy raided the corp.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: fugazii
sucks ;/
out of curiosity tho, what they steal that was worth all those bils?
There's a brief list of some of the more valuable things we swiped in the Intergalactic Summit forum. Look for the Guiding Hand Social Club topic.
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fugazii
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Posted - 2005.04.19 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: fugazii
sucks ;/
out of curiosity tho, what they steal that was worth all those bils?
There's a brief list of some of the more valuable things we swiped in the Intergalactic Summit forum. Look for the Guiding Hand Social Club topic.
ahhh so it was all a merc job then? well that changes everything, gj on ur hiest. the original poster, makes u guys out for something entirely differant. guess u should be more carefull who u **** off >.<
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.04.19 02:33:00 -
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While I think corp theft suck, I must applaud GHSC for a well-done job. Such a longterm plan is very difficult to pull off and it's very impressive that it was done so well. Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is that corporate espionage is an effective tool for hurting one's opponents. It's one of the few ways really to hurt a corp in this game or in the real world.
It would, of course, be nice if we had the proper tools to defend against this sort of thing, but the devs are taking their time implementing them, so many people have to suffer because of this.
The whole incident, however, serves as a good warning to all corps that anything can happen, no matter how hard one plans, nor the security measures they inact. So keep an eye out for your property, and don't trust anyone.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.04.19 02:44:00 -
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Not difficult imo because you must risk trusting people you dont know with corp assets.
Make alt
Train alt up a bit
Join target corp
Work way up through ranks (gain their trust)
Get director access
Clean corp out
Biggest problem in eve is a lack of a justice system. Theft is legal in terms of eve since no mechanics exist to prevent a director from waltzing of with everything.
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EL TITAN
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:12:00 -
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Ive heard that Mirial was a thief herself. and that these people wanted to get her back by doing this? if that is true then, I think payback is fine ;o
anyone know if its true though?
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
Not difficult imo because you must risk trusting people you dont know with corp assets.
Make alt
Train alt up a bit
Join target corp
Work way up through ranks (gain their trust)
Get director access
Clean corp out
Biggest problem in eve is a lack of a justice system. Theft is legal in terms of eve since no mechanics exist to prevent a director from waltzing of with everything.
I think you pointed out the difficulty just fine, assuming it's not a stupid corp that gives everybody access to everything.
This sort of long-term planning is something to be admired. We can hate it as well, but often in life we can admire the effort put into something nasty even if we deride the effect it has. Many law-enforcement people can respect the effort put into a high-stakes bank robbery that took a great deal of planning, even if they want to geld those who did it.
Sadly, though, CCP makes it all to easy to pull off this sort of stunt once the proper authority is given. At least GHSC isn't hiding behind an alt who did this, and those effected are free to take retribution against those who harmed them.
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Kular
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:17:00 -
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No evidence has ever been presented to show she was guilty...
We have all the evidence we need to pove Arenis and Istvaans guilt however....
Just to remind people here.
NEVER trust anyone who has worked for GHSC boot them from your corps immediatly.
I urge all corps in EVE to have nothing to do with these lamers, except to perhaps destroy them for their cowardly acts...
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 04:31:00 -
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Evidence? Prove? Guilt? You make us sound like we're denying this.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.04.19 06:19:00 -
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What I want to know is why Ubiqua Seraph decided to give someone who had the Guiding Hand Social Club on his resume director status.
Besides that, let me just say that this must be the biggest crime in EVE history.
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Shinden
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Posted - 2005.04.19 06:20:00 -
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Imprudence is congruent with 'Jack's broken moral compass' It would seem. Personally, the mere thought of such actions fills me with repugnance. However, I still find it heartening that the hammer of WTFPWNVENGANCE draws nearer to falling with every hour between now and when the deed was done.
Besides being vexed, my mind is boggled on the matter of how in the hell you could have thought there was going to be a reaction to this that fit into your cost benifit schemes. Furthermore, you've still got to get the idea, which you so innocently touted as 'legal', past the GM's whos maxim is "How can we make this fun for everyone, so they will keep their subscriptions?" I mean... honestly, gameplay for the perpatrators of this deed is about to get vastly complicated.
Put plainly: How do you intend to defend yourself from the backlash that committing something so universially aggravating will most certainly present itself?
P.S. Much condolances to Mirial and the corp.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shingen
Put plainly: How do you intend to defend yourself from the backlash that committing something so universially aggravating will most certainly present itself?
I suppose I'll have to cross that bridge when I come to it.
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2005.04.19 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatters on 19/04/2005 07:30:21
Sad stuff, which no one can be protected from unless they know the person in real life, a blow to the entire community everyone, is vulnerable.
ItÆs a pity CCP donÆt look at these cases on a one on one basis and take appropriate action.
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Domatavus Fallatus
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Posted - 2005.04.19 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Domatavus Fallatus on 19/04/2005 09:20:20
Edited by: Domatavus Fallatus on 19/04/2005 08:53:02
[possible "xploit" removed by me after reading abdalions post......]
so if this was used in this scam, i guess the main part of it was done by using this bug/xpl0!T?! (dunno details just character selling & corp theft -> that little memory i had ;-) )
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Razor Jaxx
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Posted - 2005.04.19 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 19/04/2005 08:56:02
Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 19/04/2005 08:54:13
Originally by: Domatavus Fallatus
afaik when transfering a character It SHOULD be in a NPC corp and else it shouldn't work... though it DOES ( at least when i tried...)
therefor this is a bug/xpl0!T?
You assume the heist was perpetrated that way, but look at Mirial's and Arenis' respective employement histories, and dates...
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Domatavus Fallatus
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Posted - 2005.04.19 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Jaxx
Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 19/04/2005 08:56:02
Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 19/04/2005 08:54:13
Originally by: Domatavus Fallatus
afaik when transfering a character It SHOULD be in a NPC corp and else it shouldn't work... though it DOES ( at least when i tried...)
therefor this is a bug/xpl0!T?
You assume the heist was perpetrated that way, but look at Mirial's and Arenis' respective employement histories, and dates...
i'm unable to go ingame atm, but you may agree that most probably, the theft would not have occured as likely as without this bug.
on a personal note, I very much despise any corp theft, not to talk about when you go brag about it. I'd consider logging off in combat honorable in comparison.
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2005.04.19 09:29:00 -
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I just want to say well done HG.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.04.19 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 19/04/2005 10:52:12
Originally by: Shinden
Put plainly: How do you intend to defend yourself from the backlash that committing something so universially aggravating will most certainly present itself?
No. The question to ask GHSC is this: How do you intend to make time to deal with all of the new contracts that are likely to come your way? 
Originally by: Shinden
P.S. Much condolances to Mirial and the corp
For what? Bah.
GHSC fulfills the role of The Boogeyman better than any other organization in this game. BDCI and our MC partners are one type of mercenary; GHSC is another. Each of us fills a role within the game. Whether I support GHSC's actions or not is a moot point. The fact is that they broke no in-game rules and did something on a scale that I dare say no one else in the game has the patience and determination to acomplish.
Hate them all you want. Trust me - they revel in it! 
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Posted - 2005.04.19 12:40:00 -
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Just a couple of points on this, but I'd like to say good luck Ubiqua Seraph in your rebuilding.
First off, as a merc, anything (within game mechanics and rules) goes to fulfil the clients contract. GH-SC do this very well. Everyone beware.
Secondly, the victims here within Ubiqua Seraph had all of the tools at their disposal to prevent this happening. From the employment records of the people they hired, to having the blueprints locked down, alot was preventable. They made mistakes (like unlocking all of the BPo's to the ex-GH-SC member) and paid for them.
If anything, this will perhaps help other corporations review their security and prevent this happening again . . . for a time until they forget. As they always do. End of the day, just remember that other good will come from this; more contracts for mercs from people who want vengance and a nasty job done.
Again, good luck Ubiqua Seraph in your rebuilding and remember, you do know where the people that robbed you are, and the list of people who could have paid for this lies with Mirial.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2005.04.19 12:48:00 -
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is corptheft a part of the game ? CCP does not act as concord in these matters ? if they dont i can understand why, but still its so lame and so low to do. good for you guys that you decide to keep playing instead of calling it quits, when i see this basterd i wont hasitate to pull the F1 - F8 trigger 
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2005.04.19 13:47:00 -
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I cant believe anyone is impressed by this.
The only skill involved here is the ability to lie on the internet for a few months. It's not like they ever had to look anyone in the eye.
Lame.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 14:00:00 -
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Quote:
is corptheft a part of the game ? CCP does not act as concord in these matters ? if they dont i can understand why, but still its so lame and so low to do. good for you guys that you decide to keep playing instead of calling it quits, when i see this basterd i wont hasitate to pull the F1 - F8 trigger
EVE Chronicle - Big Fish, Little Fish
Good luck with that trigger pulling.
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Namelesz
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:10:00 -
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/me applauds
Anyone who lived around Syndicate/Solitude back when the game came out knows of Mirial and her evil deeds way back when. Many of us hunted her now and then when we could find her newest hiding holes. Ask any of the older/former members of JGR or maybe check her employment history and ask some of the corp members in those corps what she might or might not have done.
All I gotta say is, payback is a beeotch!
-Namelesz
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Tiwaz
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn
I cant believe anyone is impressed by this.
The only skill involved here is the ability to lie on the internet for a few months. It's not like they ever had to look anyone in the eye.
Lame.
Signed
There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt.
Only we are Righteous.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.04.19 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Xziled
removed -zhuge
Corp theft is part of the game, it's no different than any other type of warfare, infiltration, spying, and theft is all part of war, if it wasn't we would have the KGB, CIA, or the Mossad.
There is more to warfare than flying around space shooting at stuff, you inflict much more damage by infiltrating and robbling. This heist did way more damage to the morale and wallets of UQS than any silly fleet battle ever could, it's pretty hard to recover from a theft of this magnitude and for that, it was a job well done.
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Pylse
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Posted - 2005.04.19 19:18:00 -
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The most disgusting bit is that you actually seem proud of it...
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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2005.04.19 22:16:00 -
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I wasn't a part of it, but it makes me proud knowing I was in the corporation that did it.
We don't have the numbers to be proud of blobbing up some miners and ganking them, so I'll be proud of this instead. :)
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Von Yulinor
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Posted - 2005.04.19 22:46:00 -
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On this scale it is something to be proud of. Well done
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2005.04.19 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vampire Blade
I wasn't a part of it, but it makes me proud knowing I was in the corporation that did it.
We don't have the numbers to be proud of blobbing up some miners and ganking them, so I'll be proud of this instead. :)
it's really disgusting to be proud of something like that... 
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Hampstah
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Posted - 2005.04.19 23:18:00 -
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You built peoples trust and pretended to be their friends for months and then you betrayed them...Yeah a lot to be proud of there. Yes it is part of the game mechanics, but it's still the ultimate in lame. Playing an evil pirate is one thing, there's a little Sec rating that shows how bad you've been. Well, you get a 10 on the scum rating. The fact that you don't see that breaking trust in this manner and seriously damaging a lot of people's enjoyment of the game is really quite disturbing.
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Stratego
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Posted - 2005.04.19 23:34:00 -
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CBA to read it all but here comes, Corp theft is something people will have to endure, if i kill someone everyones all "oh well, its part of the game" but if i choose to rob someone everyone goes "omg so damn lame", its not perfect, but nor is the real world but if you can kill people ingame you should sure as hell be able to rob people blind ingame!
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Xziled
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Posted - 2005.04.20 00:00:00 -
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bottom of the chain jim.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.04.20 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn
I cant believe anyone is impressed by this.
The only skill involved here is the ability to lie on the internet for a few months. It's not like they ever had to look anyone in the eye.
Lame.
Here here. best summary in the thread. As a pirate I prefer things decided at the point of blasters, not with a forked tongue of a lying serpent snaking its way into a corp.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.20 00:57:00 -
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Then I guess it's a shame you're obsessing about the theft, and not the destruction of Mirial's Navy Apocalypse by Arenis Xemdal's two-of-a-kind-in-existence Imperial Apocalypse which occurred simultaneously with the heist.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.04.20 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Namelesz
/me applauds
Anyone who lived around Syndicate/Solitude back when the game came out knows of Mirial and her evil deeds way back when. Many of us hunted her now and then when we could find her newest hiding holes. Ask any of the older/former members of JGR or maybe check her employment history and ask some of the corp members in those corps what she might or might not have done.
All I gotta say is, payback is a beeotch!
By all means, I've been asking anyone I heard of on the subject to show me some evidence. Feel free to contact me in game and I'll facilitate the transfer of any evidence you or anyone else may have. I bet I don't get a single mail on the issue though. Prove me wrong.
By the way, just because ghsc says they were hired, doesn't mean it's true. The stuff they got was more than enough incentive.
While I'm at it Namelesz, that first quote in your sig was originally Chesty Puller. Don't bother looking for him in your P&P. If you're going to quote someone, quote a real man. (No offence to Judicator, I've no clue who he is.)
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Nev Amati
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Posted - 2005.04.20 02:05:00 -
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Someone hacked your social network, tissue?
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Xhalax
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Posted - 2005.04.20 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Then I guess it's a shame you're obsessing about the theft, and not the destruction of Mirial's Navy Apocalypse by Arenis Xemdal's two-of-a-kind-in-existence Imperial Apocalypse which occurred simultaneously with the heist.
I guess it shows you how people think about the 2 events.
1. Theft of another person(s) property (virtual or otherwsie).
2. Destruction of an ship (albeit an expecsive and probably well equipt ship) where the person actually had a CHANCE to fight back.
While both events involved dedication, planning, cunning, decipt and espionage there is a great difference between them.
I won't condone this by any stretch of the imagination, but I do conceed it mus have taken an enormous effort on behalf of GHSC. |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2005.04.20 03:19:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Then I guess it's a shame you're obsessing about the theft, and not the destruction of Mirial's Navy Apocalypse by Arenis Xemdal's two-of-a-kind-in-existence Imperial Apocalypse which occurred simultaneously with the heist.
B.F.D. Every ship that sees the vacume of space eventualy becomes debris. And I doubt it died in any kind of dramatic or heroic battle.
I'm willing to bet this person with the imperial Apoc was watching his armor dip into the 20% range before he realized that someone who he thought was his friend was about to destroy his ship.
So far, you've proudly displayed the ability to lie on the internet and kill someone that probably thought you were fooling around.
Acts of a coward on both fronts.
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Nev Amati
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Posted - 2005.04.20 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Nev Amati on 20/04/2005 03:33:15
Originally by: Halseth Durn
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Then I guess it's a shame you're obsessing about the theft, and not the destruction of Mirial's Navy Apocalypse by Arenis Xemdal's two-of-a-kind-in-existence Imperial Apocalypse which occurred simultaneously with the heist.
B.F.D. Every ship that sees the vacume of space eventualy becomes debris. And I doubt it died in any kind of dramatic or heroic battle.
I'm willing to bet this person with the imperial Apoc was watching his armor dip into the 20% range before he realized that someone who he thought was his friend was about to destroy his ship.
So far, you've proudly displayed the ability to lie on the internet and kill someone that probably thought you were fooling around.
Acts of a coward on both fronts.
To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.
To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
War is deception.
Sun Tzu ftw ;)
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Altavius Pilot
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Posted - 2005.04.20 03:37:00 -
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I wonder how easy it would be for anyone else from GHSC to join another corp?
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2005.04.20 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vampire Blade
I wasn't a part of it, but it makes me proud knowing I was in the corporation that did it.
We don't have the numbers to be proud of blobbing up some miners and ganking them, so I'll be proud of this instead. :)
Theres a slight difference
Building up "blobs" to fight miners, fighting empire wars, stealing ore, is things people are aware of, they can use defendive methods, and whether they win or lose, at least they had a chance..... Gaining trust with people to steal assets is ******* lame, pirate/anti pirate/industrial/pvp, wtf ever your corp may be, this is pure scum. Wtf would make you proud that you'd built up the trust of others just to rip them off? I hope GHSC gets but raped from here until eternity for their actions.
I've learnt from this game that honour is granted to only those who really deserve it. honour = trust. Just remember what goes around comes around.
Karma FTW!!!!
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.20 05:35:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Halseth Duh
So far, you've proudly displayed the ability to lie on the internet and kill someone that probably thought you were fooling around.
Acts of a coward on both fronts.
Well, it's a good thing your opinion is irrelevant, or that might have bugged me.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.04.20 05:53:00 -
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I would hate this to happen to me.
It hasn't happened to me, so I'll say this:
GH-SC: GG, that is VERY impressive work.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.04.20 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Well, it's a good thing your opinion is irrelevant, or that might have bugged me.
It's not irrelevant. He just has a moral issue with what you did, as you yourself might have a few years ago.
You know what I'm talking about.
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Meridius Ra
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Posted - 2005.04.20 06:19:00 -
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I'm surprised none of the Amarr religous types have mentioned this:
The ninth level of Hell is reserved for the betrayers.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.04.20 06:41:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Meridius Ra
I'm surprised none of the Amarr religous types have mentioned this:
The ninth level of Hell is reserved for the betrayers.
Is the 10th level reserved for idiots?
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.04.20 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Is the 10th level reserved for idiots?
No, but the fifth one is reserved for the angry ones.
At least according to Dante.
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Grisk Hartil
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Posted - 2005.04.20 08:13:00 -
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Just like to say congratulations to GHSC. I was going to post in the GHSC thread, but it got locked.
I don't support GHSC, but when something this big goes down you have to give respect where respect is due. If this had happened to me I would be upset, but I would learn from it.
A good point here would be that in any war the aggressor chooses the rules of engagement. If you don't have the skill or the courage to do what they have done to you, then you will lose. In short, someone should go kill Istvaan and steal all his stuff.
It's all good.
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"Retreating? We're not retreating! We're advancing in another direction!"
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.20 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Halseth Duh
So far, you've proudly displayed the ability to lie on the internet and kill someone that probably thought you were fooling around.
Acts of a coward on both fronts.
Well, it's a good thing your opinion is irrelevant, or that might have bugged me.
Istvaan FTW!
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.04.20 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Istvaan FTW!
My opinion of Jericho Fraction members actually being pseudo-intellectuals is reinforced.
Istvaan has had a lot better comebacks that this one. In fact, his past self has had a few stronger combacks than this one to his own actions.
For example: <HellGremlin> It's the method of a spineless maggot who worms his way into another corporation.
I know Istvaan is no longer of that opinion. I merely bring it up to belittle your "4tW" comment.
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LokeDemonG
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Posted - 2005.04.20 10:25:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/04/2005 18:50:06
We did. Corp theft is just one part of our mercenary packages - we also fight in space, as clearly evidenced by my signature file which portrays a ship shooting lasers at something.
Finaly these ****s show their true face.
unfortanly i havent been very active latly, had to stop my quest aginst these so called merc whit gettin MASS adjusting their stading to -10 and Atuk had them to -5
These guys are the the mercs whit no honor or balls what so ever.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.04.20 10:42:00 -
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We've been quite open about our activities for anyone who cared. And this is a service, and a unique one I might add.
Good luck with your ATUK/MASS manipulation. I'm not sure it'll ever affect us, but good luck nonetheless.
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DeeCo
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Posted - 2005.04.20 10:49:00 -
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I know exactly how the rest of your guys/gals feel, I was a member of a corp that was robbed from early on and we lost everything we had, through some negotiations we got some stuff back, but it did cause a lot of our members to leave EVE totally.
Do you have anywhere / ayone that I could donate some cash too ? I don't have a lot, but a bit of support goes a long way.
Click my sig for stats
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:08:00 -
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i dont see one reason why ccp allows this - i mean they also loose money through that..
and to the thieves, use weapons not such a lame tactic..
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:28:00 -
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Corp thieves suck. Even just reading about what happens to other people spoiles the enjoyment for other CEO's, you begin to doubt people that should be beyond doubt. |
Kurenin
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:29:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Beringe
Istvaan has had a lot better comebacks that this one. In fact, his past self has had a few stronger combacks than this one to his own actions.
Past self?
Fool.
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[22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas?
[22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius Ra
I'm surprised none of the Amarr religous types have mentioned this:
The ninth level of Hell is reserved for the betrayers.
What has this got to do with the Empire?
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[22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
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Nelson Vandermark
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Nelson Vandermark on 20/04/2005 11:38:37
Heh, kinda of stuipd when you think about it, the amout of time it took them to pull this off they could have earned one thousand times more then what the stole. 
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Raem Civrie on 20/04/2005 16:51:46
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:56:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Nelson Vandermark
Edited by: Nelson Vandermark on 20/04/2005 11:38:37
Heh, kinda of stuipd when you think about it, the amout of time it took them to pull this off they could have earned one thousand times more then what the stole.
You're saying, that you could earn one thousand times the amount in assets stolen from UQS in the time it took to plan and execute the operation?
You must be a god.
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[22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
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Dragon Master
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Posted - 2005.04.20 12:49:00 -
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So far I have yet to see anyone bring conclusive proof of Mirial being guilty of what she's accused of other than "He said, she said" things. So far I'll give the accused the benefit of the doubt rather than the confirmed gloating corp thief. For all I know it could just be a made up reason to make themselves look like they're doing something good when they're nothing more than corp thieves. |
OSughhi
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Posted - 2005.04.20 13:27:00 -
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Lowest.
If they can lie, deceive and stole in such manner, I can assume all their post and affirmations about motivation, well planed executed, proud and all that garbages can be also same deceive and lies to all other eve's members regarding their immage.
... I am a liar. Believe me, I tell you the truth.
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Namelesz
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Posted - 2005.04.20 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Namelesz on 20/04/2005 13:34:25
Originally by: Darth Revanant
Originally by: Namelesz
/me applauds
Anyone who lived around Syndicate/Solitude back when the game came out knows of Mirial and her evil deeds way back when. Many of us hunted her now and then when we could find her newest hiding holes. Ask any of the older/former members of JGR or maybe check her employment history and ask some of the corp members in those corps what she might or might not have done.
All I gotta say is, payback is a beeotch!
By all means, I've been asking anyone I heard of on the subject to show me some evidence. Feel free to contact me in game and I'll facilitate the transfer of any evidence you or anyone else may have. I bet I don't get a single mail on the issue though. Prove me wrong.
By the way, just because ghsc says they were hired, doesn't mean it's true. The stuff they got was more than enough incentive.
While I'm at it Namelesz, that first quote in your sig was originally Chesty Puller. Don't bother looking for him in your P&P. If you're going to quote someone, quote a real man. (No offence to Judicator, I've no clue who he is.)
I will evemail you when in game, hope you're not one of those lamers setting their inbox settings to 1mil isk. . . . and yea, thanx for the critique on my sig, way to be on topic. Just puttin up two quotes I saw that mad me chuckle . . . and Judicator is someone that used to be around alot long time ago.
Ask Mirial yourself who TCT is. She was in it right about the time I joined which was around July'03(not 100% sure on exact dates) and ask her why she has no friends that were in that corp and why us and JGR hunted her and gave her her first Bship loss. I will fill you in more in my evemail.
-Namelesz
"I never run away. I merely advance in the opposite direction." -Judicator
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Cary Grant
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Posted - 2005.04.20 13:49:00 -
[101]
Good/Bad/Right or Wrong, good luck in your rebuilding and in your newly formed alliance.
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Wakita
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Posted - 2005.04.20 14:55:00 -
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Your support of a scammer is wrong UQS. You brought this on yourself by associating with a common criminal. So many people have said Mirial is a scammer do you believe its all some conspiracy? Get real and get a clue. You've paid the price for her crimes. She is responsible for this. She alienated half of Eve and brought this to your front door. Why dont you ask her if shes a scammer? If shes an honorable player like the rest of you seem to be she will admit it and resign. If not she is a liar. She deserves to rot for her scams and corp theft of Matari loyalist corporations. She stole from my people. She will pay. She has paid as have you.
Wakita
Call of Freedom
We Shall be Free
Ronin of Matar alone on the path
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Dragon Master
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Posted - 2005.04.20 15:03:00 -
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Actually that doesn't prove anything Wakita. No offence to you either but you're not the arbitrator of truth either. I have as much or as little reason to believe Mirial as you. Just because a lot of people say something doesn't make it true per se. I can get a group of my friends to say so and so did this , without having any proof other than suspicion or even doing it on purpose to frame someone. Not everything one hears on the grapevine is true.
If there's proof, provide it in the form of screenshots or something. Again so far I'm just hearing the "He said it" or "A and B said it" which is at best merely circumstantial evidence. A court of law doesn't convict purely on testimony as people can lie, be mistaken, have ulterior motives, etc... and I won't either as I have no idea what the situation is or was. |
Mortuus
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Posted - 2005.04.20 17:00:00 -
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War takes many many forms. GH-SC pulled of an excellent job, and frankly, show what mercs are made of. They do anything for money, and complete their job. How much better can you get?
Honor? Honor has no place on the battlefield. Only in duels and the minds of people that don't fight. Do you think the ganks that make up the majority of kills in wars are honorable? 5:1? 10:1?
It doesn't matter, one side was prepared, the other wasn't, they paid the price. A valuable lesson learned, much like no AFKing in low sec.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.04.20 17:16:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Nelson Vandermark
Edited by: Nelson Vandermark on 20/04/2005 11:38:37
Heh, kinda of stuipd when you think about it, the amout of time it took them to pull this off they could have earned one thousand times more then what the stole.
So, if they got say 20bn worth of lewt, they could have made 20,000bn by doing something else in five months? Wanna tell me your secret?
And what it comes to the "you could have made more doing something else" argument, that's just retarded. You think pie rats are in the business for money or for fun? I don't want to grind agent missions 24/7 ..
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Stavros
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Posted - 2005.04.20 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 20/04/2005 19:36:00
<3 hg + anonymous other people!
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Kayscha
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Posted - 2005.04.21 05:29:00 -
[107]
Generally, I do not support griefing under any circumstances, yet I fail to see people's logic here. EVE, or so I've come to understand, has in part always been about agressive PVP, consciously allowing players not to just beat other players but to actually destroy and loot their accumulated resources within the limits of the game. In this light, theft and deceit are certainly no worse than killing, arguably even far more ethical.
The real problem here is, that embezzlement currently has no in-game consequence (aside from making the thief rich, that is). Bereft parties cannot effectively demand the embezzler to be outlawed, the bounty system is not really working and a perpetrator's assets cannot be impounded or otherwise be seperated from him unless he either takes them for a flight or carelessly entrusts them to his enemies. It is my understanding that there should be a consequence for any possible action in the game, and thus this can currently be regarded as an exploit.
Of course, there is an out-of-game consequence here, being that corps are going to be paranoid for a while, nobody is going to trust GHSC beyond their ability to throw an apoc and the perpetrator himself is likely to be shot on sight by quite a few people. But that's not the same.
As far as covert merc ops go, GHSC should be commended for their professionality in publicly boasting about their deed like this - stupidity, much as greed, knows no bounds, it seems. But I guess nothing more is to be expected from people who take pride in the deeds of others...
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Wrok
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Posted - 2005.04.21 18:45:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
we also fight in space, as clearly evidenced by my signature file which portrays a ship shooting lasers at something.
hahaha
No comment on the matter at hand, but Istvaan, that was one of the damn funniest things I've ever read on these forums.
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2005.04.21 20:00:00 -
[109]
How is this a job well done? There is no way in hell people can protect themselves from it. Corporations need to admit new members and need to trust people to get anywhere.
Corp theft is easy as hell to pull off and quite possibly the largest turn-off this game has.
I'd like to see the GHSC add accounts cancelled to their spoils, victims willing. Just to show everyone what a valuable dimension they add to the game.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.21 20:32:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 21/04/2005 20:32:56
We actually do include those in our client intel sheet - a player who cancels his account as a result of our actions is categorized as 'deserter' along with other players who merely flee the target corporation.
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OVERCOPES 1
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Posted - 2005.04.21 22:48:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 21/04/2005 20:32:56
We actually do include those in our client intel sheet - a player who cancels his account as a result of our actions is categorized as 'deserter' along with other players who merely flee the target corporation.
so having causing someone to leave the game through your lame ass corp theft i.e destroying almost 2 years of work,you then class them as deserters.
man i bet you your a sad little man in real life,that got bullied at school and you feel the need for pay back through the internet,because your a weak person in R/L and you hate yourself for it.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.04.21 23:05:00 -
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what me amazes is that piracy got nerfed down to non-existance from day one, while corp thiefing is as easy as ever in Eve
somehow this is interesting, corp thiefing must be more valuable game style then pirating
Wanna fly with me?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.21 23:15:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 21/04/2005 23:19:37
Originally by: OVERREACTS
so having causing someone to leave the game through your lame ass corp theft i.e destroying almost 2 years of work,you then class them as deserters.
Well, yes. GHSC has four classifications which appear on our intel sheets (webpages we create for our clients to view, containing member list, tactical info, casualties inflicted and funny hate mail / smacktalk from our targets) - these are active, inactive, deserter and Judas. The first two are obvious, the next one I've explained, and a Judas is the inevitable willing collaborator in the enemy ranks who sells out his kin in exchange for safety. We always find one or two of these, always.
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man i bet you your a sad little man in real life,that got bullied at school and you feel the need for pay back through the internet,because your a weak person in R/L and you hate yourself for it.
Actually I'm a pretty tall and happy man in real life, whose high school experiences were a blast, and who knows how to have fun on the internet without it consuming him like it has consumed you.
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OVERCOPES 1
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Posted - 2005.04.21 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: OVERCOPES 1 on 21/04/2005 23:43:49
consumed me?how so weak little man,pray tell.
im not the one gloating of his acivement off wrecking someones gaming hobby and then calling them deserters for not having the will to work for another 2 years.
and you say this is fun to you,that you know how to have fun over the internet
i suppose having been bullied all your life you'd have a warped sense of perspective.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.22 00:11:00 -
[115]
Right.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.04.22 00:19:00 -
[116]
Originally by: OVERCOPES 1
Edited by: OVERCOPES 1 on 21/04/2005 23:43:49
consumed me?how so weak little man,pray tell.
im not the one gloating of his acivement off wrecking someones gaming hobby and then calling them deserters for not having the will to work for another 2 years.
and you say this is fun to you,that you know how to have fun over the internet
i suppose having been bullied all your life you'd have a warped sense of perspective.
No, being Polish all his life did that to him. From what I've seen, HG mostly bullies other people.
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Dorothina
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Posted - 2005.04.22 03:30:00 -
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I haven't really followed this all the way through.. don't really need to. The concepts and ideas behind this corp theft are just and sound from the perspective of the thieving party, I'm sure, and are not entirely unique to the Eve universe.
Keep in mind that this *is* a game, and as such there are Rules. GHSC, in the end, has done nothing more than bend some of the virtual rules in order to acheive said goal: theft. But this isn't the point.
The point is that in 2 years or so when Eve-Online is past the prime and gone, a multi-billion Isk corp theft isn't going to matter one little bit. It has been done, get over it. It might not even matter in two weeks. what happens on my TV at home barely matters 2 hours after the news is over.
consider:
1) GHSC says that thay brand all quiters post-act as "deserters". uh-huh.. GHSC.. you don't make the rules, and this is a bogus declaration. you can't brand anyone as anything because your opinion matters as little as mine. that's not opinion, that's fact.
2) if this were real life, i doubt very much that you'd have the guts to stick around and chat about it in the forums. validating a point that you don't actually take the theft seriously, and no-one else that reads this should take you seriously either.
3) i am more than positive that in the future the Dev's will fix the small oversight of corp theft being as possible as it is. in comparison to one of my previous statements and in contrary to how i think of games; Eve is a virtual world that simply hasn't had all the bugs worked out. bugs that keep it from being more real.
4) better keep the 'beaten in school' and nationality-based remarks to oneself before this gets out-of-hand. that includes everyone.
5) the items stolen belong to CCP, and if they so chose they could simply take it all back, reset the podkilled pilot's status, give the ship back, ect ect.. then how would GHSC feel? ... blah blah blah in the blink of an eye or during downtime everything changes. but the only thing they probably care about is that balance in-game might be a litte 'off'. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.22 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dorkothina
1) GHSC says that thay brand all quiters post-act as "deserters". uh-huh.. GHSC.. you don't make the rules, and this is a bogus declaration. you can't brand anyone as anything because your opinion matters as little as mine. that's not opinion, that's fact.
It's just a term we use on our intel sheets, don't get your panties in a bunch.
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2) if this were real life, i doubt very much that you'd have the guts to stick around and chat about it in the forums. validating a point that you don't actually take the theft seriously, and no-one else that reads this should take you seriously either.
Pls check the player gatherings forum and tell me that again.
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Dorothina
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Posted - 2005.04.22 04:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dorothina on 22/04/2005 04:18:22
Edited by: Dorothina on 22/04/2005 04:17:52
ah, my point was askew. i meant that in the world of Eve you don't take it seriously. for the sake of the real world i hope that you take real theft seriously. ;)
as far as the actual act is concerened.. i doubted the fact that if you deceived someone into stealing their car from them, i don't think you'd publicly admit to being in organized crime and pointing people to read your charter.
"Dorkothina" in the quote huh.. cute ;)
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.04.22 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: Stormfront on 22/04/2005 06:59:55
Well TBH, he would probably boast about it from a cave in Afghanistan like a Butt bandit named UsamaBinladen. You could say hes a butt bandit in Eve.. scum.. but then its a game.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.22 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Stormfront
Well TBH, he would probably boast about it from a cave in Afghanistan like a Butt bandit named UsamaBinladen. You could say hes a butt bandit in Eve.. scum.. but then its a game.
That's "*****" - you'd think you'd have just been able to copy his name from the CIA payslips where they setup, trained and financed his whole operation for 6 years eh?
As you say - it's all just a game...
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2005.04.22 14:25:00 -
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Goodie gumdrops. I guess this means the social club failed in their ultimate objective?
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.04.23 16:49:00 -
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in a big picture stance GH-SC has failed in the objective
the corp still exists
we lost isk and bpo's, not the important part, the people still stand
rebuilding is actually easier, we have made more profit and assets building in the last week than we have in a month at our current pace we stand to be back to full assets within a few short weeks
* - just because someone says a character is their main doesnt mean it is, your fools to believe that. EVE allows players to buy as many accounts as they want with no in game tie to prove/disprove it
also im getting really tired of the bored beta-testers with grudges playing bigger crank comparison games with each other, as the testimonies from multiple people shows this incident and several like it are the result of 2+ year grudges , and "We" have a problem with taking this too seriously??
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Wakita
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Posted - 2005.04.23 19:24:00 -
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"That's "*****" - you'd think you'd have just been able to copy his name from the CIA payslips where they setup, trained and financed his whole operation for 6 years eh?
As you say - it's all just a game..."
What is this CIA? Some new corp or alliance? I suppose the lame SF will find an equally lame reason to declare war on them as well? No cause to insignificant or even invisible will stop the SF from their appointed rounds as whatever they are.
Wakita
Call of Freedom
We Shall be Free
Ronin of Matar alone on the path
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.23 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Wakita
Quote:
"That's "*****" - you'd think you'd have just been able to copy his name from the CIA payslips where they setup, trained and financed his whole operation for 6 years eh?
As you say - it's all just a game..."
What is this CIA? Some new corp or alliance? I suppose the lame SF will find an equally lame reason to declare war on them as well? No cause to insignificant or even invisible will stop the SF from their appointed rounds as whatever they are.
Wakita
Call of Freedom
We Shall be Free
The cure for lameness =
Corp/politics/wardec/fight in space.
See you out there.
Star Fraction
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