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Sloppyslug
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:03:00 -
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Good evening chaps! I would like to propose a big idea for eve, for it to have a fresh slate.
I was thinking the other day as people were complaining and such and thought what if CCP started a non-game breaking change; how about if eve were to add a new server. Now some of you are thinking GÇ£wo wo wo! I donGÇÖt want to lose my character, years of training and my giant collections of exotic dancers!GÇ¥ I am not proposing getting rid of tranquillity, IGÇÖm proposing starting a new different server and keep the both running, people paying for an eve account will be allowed to log onto both, and keep an account for both while paying. This would allow people to reset the balance, for everyone to start at the same point again. Mechanics in training skills from learning skills to without, have altered throughout eve, that unbalance can be refreshed from scratch.
- It will make older players reactivate their accounts to try again, it will let new players have a chance to be on par again, and when noobs start the game they will find themselves more balanced to stay.
- The entire structure of the market will be changed, BPOGÇÖs will need to be founded again, as the mechanics for BPOs from a couple years back to now have changed so dramatically, unbalances in the market and such have progressed. A stronger stance can be taken on macro mining. The isk and market unbalanced can be changed. This will give new players the incentive to stay, make their mining, plexing, couriers, whatever to be more lucrative.
- SOV will need to be retaken, new alliances will need to be formed, and the old will have a chance to participate again in SOV wars/race.
- I am not sure at what milestone/time this should be implemented, maybe on the release of a big new patch, or allow ccp to change a specific mechanic from the start, some of the brilliant ideas on the forums could be considered to finally be implemented.
Think of this as a new start/slate, not a new game. So the game isnGÇÖt seen as crooked age flawed by patches, but as a fresh start with how it is intended to be. I am very interested to see how it all turns out.
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Cormeas Bane
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:14:00 -
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This is a wonderful idea, I support it in it's entirety. I hope CCP implements this as soon as possible, because I mean hell. Who wouldn't want to be on a even playing field? |

COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:32:00 -
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Quick answer no
Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.
One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something? |

Sloppyslug
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:39:00 -
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COMM4NDER wrote:Quick answer no
Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.
One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?
Don't neglect to see why growth of eve has been in steady state and decline, which makes your use of "selling point" redundant.
Growth does not form deserts.
"ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?" Yes the test server and chinese server both undermine this.
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Cormeas Bane
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:40:00 -
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COMM4NDER wrote:Quick answer no
Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.
One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?
^ lulz
Go back to Alabama and get your GED. Then maybe after 30 years of advanced special ed teaching techniques, you can give a responce that is forward thinking and not dealing with the fact that you don't like being on an even playing field because your tiny boy nuts haven't dropped and the idea of you being on an even playing field and having to nut up and fight with skill, and experience is scary for you :) |

COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:51:00 -
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Cormeas Bane wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:Quick answer no
Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.
One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something? ^ lulz Go back to Alabama and get your GED. Then maybe after 30 years of advanced special ed teaching techniques, you can give a responce that is forward thinking and not dealing with the fact that you don't like being on an even playing field because your tiny boy nuts haven't dropped and the idea of you being on an even playing field and having to nut up and fight with skill, and experience is scary for you :)
butthurt much? |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.03 21:57:00 -
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it wouldnt change much, older players would stomp any hope of the new players to get anywhere. Before you know it you have allainces spiling over from one universe to the other. |

Cormeas Bane
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:20:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:it wouldnt change much, older players would stomp any hope of the new players to get anywhere. Before you know it you have allainces spiling over from one universe to the other.
Yes but they wouldn't have the enormous skillpoint advantage over everyone else, and they wouldn't be able to hotdrop 20 nyxs on you. |

Sloppyslug
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:25:00 -
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Please read the entirety of the post before you reply directly to one point without thinking the affect of all of the other gaining factors.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:27:00 -
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Cormeas Bane wrote:Nova Fox wrote:it wouldnt change much, older players would stomp any hope of the new players to get anywhere. Before you know it you have allainces spiling over from one universe to the other. Yes but they wouldn't have the enormous skillpoint advantage over everyone else, and they wouldn't be able to hotdrop 20 nyxs on you.
And thats going to matter in 6 months?
Well let me interate.
How long does it take goonswamr to replace their entire fleet? and membership from scratch. |

Sloppyslug
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:30:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Cormeas Bane wrote:Nova Fox wrote:it wouldnt change much, older players would stomp any hope of the new players to get anywhere. Before you know it you have allainces spiling over from one universe to the other. Yes but they wouldn't have the enormous skillpoint advantage over everyone else, and they wouldn't be able to hotdrop 20 nyxs on you. And thats going to matter in 6 months? Well let me interate. How long does it take goonswamr to replace their entire fleet? and membership from scratch.
No alliance could focus full power on both servers, think please. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:34:00 -
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Im not talking about a real allaince btw.
Its called the goonswarm effect.
Throw enough players at it and if ithey OP the idea its a bad idea.
A hypothetical allaince or gamer clan from another gaming community moves in, they're all hardcore and they number in the multiple thosands. How long would it take to make a battleforce similar to what is being thrown around on the current server. Answer is less than 7 months. |

Sloppyslug
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:47:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Im not talking about a real allaince btw.
Its called the goonswarm effect.
Throw enough players at it and if ithey OP the idea its a bad idea.
A hypothetical allaince or gamer clan from another gaming community moves in, they're all hardcore and they number in the multiple thosands. How long would it take to make a battleforce similar to what is being thrown around on the current server. Answer is less than 7 months.
isnt that a good thing lol? That is what we want, more numbers, a new dynamic of isk to change the final tides, markets etc. No matter how big you are you will be taken down. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:57:00 -
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Then that leaves us the question what makes it different from current servers.
Any vet will tell you SP advantage only goes so far.
As a person who did some SP capping calculations its pertty much true. |

Sloppyslug
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Posted - 2011.10.03 23:00:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Then that leaves us the question what makes it different from current servers.
Any vet will tell you SP advantage only goes so far.
As a person who did some SP capping calculations its pertty much true.
Please read the entirety of the post before you reply directly to one point without thinking the affect of all of the other gaining factors.
Im talking about the dynamics of patch changes throughout eve too, the market unbalances, eve will change massivly without macro mining fleets or BPO horder since 06.
The only reason eve doesnt ban all the macro mining fleets now is because they would lose a massive member count, and quite a few alliances would suffer. |

Nova Fox
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Posted - 2011.10.03 23:34:00 -
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you apperantly dont read before posting either concerning how ccp goes about banning bots. |

Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.03 23:59:00 -
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terrible idea is terrible first off, eve numbers are down cause of incarnage which pissed half the population off to the point of pressing the cancel button next, what you want is everyone to be a noobie, which don't get me wrong, would be kinda fun but it would kill the eve credibility as an mmo.
most players who worked hard for what they have in game would quit newbies would be put off, in 5 years would they be deleted and have to restart? |

COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2011.10.04 00:12:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:terrible idea is terrible first off, eve numbers are down cause of incarnage which pissed half the population off to the point of pressing the cancel button next, what you want is everyone to be a noobie, which don't get me wrong, would be kinda fun but it would kill the eve credibility as an mmo.
most players who worked hard for what they have in game would quit newbies would be put off, in 5 years would they be deleted and have to restart?
He wants to add a 4th Server to the mix.
Also I don't see this as a longterm thing, eventually it would be the same thing as in TC atm. This is why (WOW) uses training cap so that newb players will not have to far to train up. Also that they got over 9000 servers.
All MMOs lost their players because of the summer however CCP lost probably more because neglecting the community far to long. Incarna did not add ANYTHING in terms of gameplay. If you look at the player count it always peaks at expansions then drops slowly. Guessing that this expansion did not go as well. I know allot of players that would quit eve long time ago if the Sansha Incursion would not exist. |

Vanessa Vansen
Cybermana
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Posted - 2011.10.04 06:04:00 -
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Why introduce a new server? If you really want a fresh start, CCP would only have to do the following for each character
0) dock in a station 1) eject from ship 2) remove implants and place them in the hangar 3) remove all skills and grant the corresponding number of skill points
Then everybody can start again from scratch |

Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.10.04 06:34:00 -
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Sloppyslug wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:Quick answer no
Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.
One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something? Don't neglect to see why growth of eve has been in steady state and decline, which makes your use of "selling point" redundant. Growth does not form deserts. "ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?" Yes the test server and chinese server both undermine this. The idea that eve is not an even playing ground is a fallacy. You can achieve anything that anyone else has achieved. You just need to spend as much time and effort as them. That you would ask for a new server tells me that even if you got it, you'd be as irrelevant on the new one as you do on the old.
However, its not going to happen for two reasons:
1. Eves biggest tagline is one persistent world, and its biggest asset is its unified community. Stating that the reason eves playerbase is declining is because its a single world is drawing a very long bow. You have no proof to back that assertion up.
Which brings us to my favorite latin phrase:
quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur
"what is asserted without reason may be denied without reason"
If you give me no proof when you say its the single shard thats lowering subscriptions, I need no proof to tell you you are wrong.
It could possibly be the lack of bugfixes and improvements and complete stagnation for two years, or anything 
Secondly, setting up a second server would cost a lot of money, something CCP is allegedly short on right now. |

Tippia
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Posted - 2011.10.04 09:07:00 -
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Cormeas Bane wrote:Who wouldn't want to be on a even playing field? The OP, apparently. TQ is an even playing field, and he doesn't want to take play on it.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Sloppyslug
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Posted - 2011.10.04 13:19:00 -
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Sir Substance wrote:Sloppyslug wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:Quick answer no
Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.
One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something? Don't neglect to see why growth of eve has been in steady state and decline, which makes your use of "selling point" redundant. Growth does not form deserts. "ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?" Yes the test server and chinese server both undermine this. The idea that eve is not an even playing ground is a fallacy. You can achieve anything that anyone else has achieved. You just need to spend as much time and effort as them. That you would ask for a new server tells me that even if you got it, you'd be as irrelevant on the new one as you do on the old. However, its not going to happen for two reasons: 1. Eves biggest tagline is one persistent world, and its biggest asset is its unified community. Stating that the reason eves playerbase is declining is because its a single world is drawing a very long bow. You have no proof to back that assertion up. Which brings us to my favorite latin phrase: quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur "what is asserted without reason may be denied without reason" If you give me no proof when you say its the single shard thats lowering subscriptions, I need no proof to tell you you are wrong. It could possibly be the lack of bugfixes and improvements and complete stagnation for two years, or anything  Secondly, setting up a second server would cost a lot of money, something CCP is allegedly short on right now.
Eve sub drop or even eve small number of subs in the first place is down to a lot of reasons ofc, one of the main reasons is the executions of their ideas. I'm not working for CCP so im not going to show you spreadsheets and market research on people reasons of not persisting of playing the game be it after a patch or the first month of playing.
If you did read what i put, these are also some of the reasons of it, patches over patches over patches after 8 years make for a crooked building, that shows signs of flaws and unbalances, but patches that change game mechanics in a 1 time mmo environment, it creates an unbalance for the old and for the new. The only way the one world thing would ever work for efficiency and for a game that is so competitive based on tiny changes to mechanics and fuelled by isk is for in a one server MMO format to perfect the mechanics first then to never change them in patches, which is what a new server could be subject to.
Tagline is redundant now with the way players use the test server and the Chinese server.
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Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.10.04 13:37:00 -
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Sloppyslug wrote: If you did read what i put, these are also some of the reasons of it, patches over patches over patches after 8 years make for a crooked building, that shows signs of flaws and unbalances, but patches that change game mechanics in a 1 time mmo environment, it creates an unbalance for the old and for the new. The only way the one world thing would ever work for efficiency and for a game that is so competitive based on tiny changes to mechanics and fuelled by isk is for in a one server MMO format to perfect the mechanics first then to never change them in patches, which is what a new server could be subject to.
You talk much, but you say nothing. If you actually have a point to make you are terrible at making it. That up there is grade A horse turd. Give me PROOF that the decline in subscribers is directly and irrefutably linked to the single server environment, or stop posting.
Also, please structure your sentences correctly. |

Sloppyslug
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:59:00 -
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Sir Substance wrote:Sloppyslug wrote: If you did read what i put, these are also some of the reasons of it, patches over patches over patches after 8 years make for a crooked building, that shows signs of flaws and unbalances, but patches that change game mechanics in a 1 time mmo environment, it creates an unbalance for the old and for the new. The only way the one world thing would ever work for efficiency and for a game that is so competitive based on tiny changes to mechanics and fuelled by isk is for in a one server MMO format to perfect the mechanics first then to never change them in patches, which is what a new server could be subject to.
You talk much, but you say nothing. If you actually have a point to make you are terrible at making it. That up there is grade A horse turd. Give me PROOF that the decline in subscribers is directly and irrefutably linked to the single server environment, or stop posting. Also, please structure your sentences correctly.
you mad? Sloppyslug wrote:Eve sub drop or even eve small number of subs in the first place is down to a lot of reasons ofc
Thanks for making yourself look stupid :). |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.04 18:08:00 -
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Sloppyslug wrote:Sloppyslug wrote: Eve sub drop or even eve small number of subs in the first place is down to a lot of reasons ofc
Thanks for making yourself look stupid :).
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.04 19:48:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Sloppyslug wrote:Sloppyslug wrote: Eve sub drop or even eve small number of subs in the first place is down to a lot of reasons ofc
Thanks for making yourself look stupid :). ????? 
I don't think OP reaizes they destroyed their own post, by admitting there are probably tons of other reasons why the subs dropped.
As for the persistent world being a selling point, it IS the main one, everyone i know who plays EVE will admit to joining for one of 2 reasons 1) the complexity 2) Single persistent world and as far as i can tell, half the games complexity comes from the single server, since it FORCES players to be competitive or die.
as far as the test server / chinese server, china has their own dedicated server for alot fo agmes, some its because of their masssive population that the players may unify and dominate the agme, otgher times it is because their governemnt is a B****. the test server is because it is a TEST server, so they can implement ideas into a controlled space without accidentaly effecting the rest of the game while they try to work out the bugs. |

Spr09
Purdue Engineering and Technology Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.04 20:58:00 -
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Sloppyslug wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:Quick answer no
Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.
One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something? Don't neglect to see why growth of eve has been in steady state and decline, which makes your use of "selling point" redundant. Growth does not form deserts. "ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?" Yes the test server and chinese server both undermine this.
sisi is a test server, it's like a firewall for bad ideas and bugs so they dont come onto the real server. as for the china server they added that for a reason i forgot because i lost they article they explained it in. i think it was something about bots?
buy a character if you want sp, otherwise you can actually play to get isk, buy a plex, get some implants, and wait for some sp. problem solved! |

MNagy
Yo-Mama Quixotic Hegemony
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Posted - 2011.10.04 21:15:00 -
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No,
Because my first idea is to sell my t2 bs cause I can only fly a frig again.
What have I been paying for a subcription till now for? - To keep skilling the character.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.04 21:25:00 -
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Spr09 wrote:Sloppyslug wrote:COMM4NDER wrote:Quick answer no
Why? this will split the playerbase, lowsec/null will become even more of a desert, will create more issues on the server side to deal with the splitting etc, etc. Want to play on another server, join the Chinese one.
One of the selling points and main points. ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something? Don't neglect to see why growth of eve has been in steady state and decline, which makes your use of "selling point" redundant. Growth does not form deserts. "ONE server ONE universe or have I missed something?" Yes the test server and chinese server both undermine this. sisi is a test server, it's like a firewall for bad ideas and bugs so they dont come onto the real server. as for the china server they added that for a reason i forgot because i lost they article they explained it in. i think it was something about bots? buy a character if you want sp, otherwise you can actually play to get isk, buy a plex, get some implants, and wait for some sp. problem solved!
The chinese version of eve basically strips everything about amarrians out, mongrels the gallente, and turned the caldari into communist who like red more than blue. |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.10.04 21:35:00 -
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Spr09 wrote:as for the china server they added that for a reason i forgot because i lost they article they explained it in. i think it was something about bots?
No. It's because the Chinese government... - requires that all games played within its borders be laced with "spyware security" to monitor its citizens... -- which is to keep track of how much time its citizens play games (seriously, the Chinese government says you can only play X amount of hours per day)... -- so it can monitor all the chat channels for "subversive content" and/or "information"... -- it knows who is playing, when they are playing, and where they are playing... - doesn't want us westerners to mingle with its "loyal citizens" and "taint them with corrupt values"... - has a myriad of laws and regulations that just make it a pain in the ass to connect the local populations with groups abroad. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
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