The point I'm trying to make is that time spent mining or producing is taking away from time you could be blowing up red plus signs of varying thickness for considerably more ISK.

Can't speak for him, but i like mining because i can do it in windowed mode while doing other things online, like posting on forums. If i ever really need to make ISK i go do L4s, but as a non-pvp player i don't have to replace ships as often, and you eventually run out of things to buy.

Miner bumpers and suicide gankers are idiot players with no PVP skills. You want to prove yourself, attack an equally skilled pilot with an equally fit ship. Then, and only then, do you have PVP skills.

You mean you can't run level 4 missions in windowed mode while browsing the forums, semi-afk?

Jeez what ships do you guys use?

Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing?
Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow;
The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.
Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning,
Or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning?

While this may seem like the "honourable" thing to do, the smart thing to do is to overwhelm your enemy and ensure victory before you even engage. I suggest you read Sun-Tzu's art of war - while honour certainly plays it's part in Eastern battlefield techniques, even the Japanese weren't foolish enough to give the Americans a chance to fight back when they bombed Pearl Harbour. Was it cowardly? You could probably make an argument for that, but the only stupid thing they did was holding back their third wave - if they'd sent in the third wave, whose target was the fuel and ammo dumps, it would have cut America's Pacific Fleet's fuel supplies by more than 80%, effectively neutering them in WWII.

I don't think anyone that's actually playing the game and knows how things work is looking to "prove themselves" in PvP. You don't fight to prove yourself, you fight to win.

I just got front row seats to a kill by Naughty Rustled on a guy afk mining in a Talos..... it was GLORIOUS!!! No battleclinic killmail for it yet, though, which is a shame.

I did, however, get a great screenshot of the assault showing the Talos pilot continuing to mine as if completely oblivious to the attack.

Why... just use a skiff or mackinaw, seriously ?

I was there, man. I WAS THERE!!

We have been doing this quite some time now. So meta

What some call self sufficiency, others call a waste of time.

The point I'm trying to make is that time spent mining or producing is taking away from time you could be blowing up red plus signs of varying thickness for considerably more ISK.

Would have stuck around longer if that was the case. Only spent 5-10 minutes there, looking for people, then logged out to play World of Tanks.

While this may seem like the "honourable" thing to do, the smart thing to do is to overwhelm your enemy and ensure victory before you even engage. I suggest you read Sun-Tzu's art of war - while honour certainly plays it's part in Eastern battlefield techniques, even the Japanese weren't foolish enough to give the Americans a chance to fight back when they bombed Pearl Harbour. Was it cowardly? You could probably make an argument for that, but the only stupid thing they did was holding back their third wave - if they'd sent in the third wave, whose target was the fuel and ammo dumps, it would have cut America's Pacific Fleet's fuel supplies by more than 80%, effectively neutering them in WWII.

I don't think anyone that's actually playing the game and knows how things work is looking to "prove themselves" in PvP. You don't fight to prove yourself, you fight to win.

I'm not saying don't do it, if that's what blows your goat, go for it. All I'm saying is these bumpers/gankers need to stop saying that they're uber 1337 PVP'ers. It takes (virtualy) no skill to do.

I'm not saying don't do it, if that's what blows your goat, go for it. All I'm saying is these bumpers/gankers need to stop saying that they're uber 1337 PVP'ers. It takes (virtualy) no skill to do.

This is a problem with EVE. It's often more fun to PVP in another game.

Not that I have any idea on how to 'fix' it.

Miner bumpers and suicide gankers are idiot players with no PVP skills. You want to prove yourself, attack an equally skilled pilot with an equally fit ship. Then, and only then, do you have PVP skills.

Sun Tzu boss. And he was a war strategist not a petty thug, so I don't see what he would be upset about. To be clear though, I don't think there's anything wrong with being a low-grade thug, in Eve anyway, but call a spade a spade and all that.

What is EVE coming to when even the Devs are throwing around the word "griefing" when referring to legitimate gameplay?

Seems accurate to me. Think he nailed it for what it is.

It's not a petitionable action.

You should be much more careful, or post such informal stuff with a non-CCP alt.

Starting rumors is not allowed on this forum.

I all but guarantee you'll be quoted now as calling bumping "griefing."

Thanks a lot.

sounds like to me your getting some insight to private convo going on in ccp on the topic.

LOL is that what your crystal ball tells you? I would like to know how to aquire this skill you have of reading tone from text. Would be most handy to have indeed.

Yes he did say it was not bannable yet, just as they said afk minning also in not banable. I like the fact that he called it for for exactly what it is regardless of the rules.

I like how you put an imaginary "YET" into the quote, myself.

Looks like you've got a crystal ball, too...