I invite you to the Osnins constellation, particularly the Halle system, to stir up some trouble. Seriously, it's like a ghost town out here. I'm ratting a 'roid field right now and there are three barges sitting here doing nothing, there is a noob Heron sitting here... doing nothing. They've been doing nothing for near on five minutes now, and this is COMMON to find in these systems.

So I am inviting you to come and stir trouble at your own convenience. Have fun!!

no profit in it, i'll go back to doing whatever it is i do instead...

I invite you to the Osnins constellation, particularly the Halle system, to stir up some trouble. Seriously, it's like a ghost town out here. I'm ratting a 'roid field right now and there are three barges sitting here doing nothing, there is a noob Heron sitting here... doing nothing. They've been doing nothing for near on five minutes now, and this is COMMON to find in these systems.

So I am inviting you to come and stir trouble at your own convenience. Have fun!!

Currently the New Order is focusing most of its attention on the Abudban system adjacent to Rens in Minmatar space - it's a hive of bots, AFK miners and foul attitudes.

However, there's nothing stopping you bumping them a little yourself - it hardly takes a minute - and you never know; a bumper might just happen to take a trip through that system some day.

What has EVE come to when we are outsourcing our griefing to other players?

What has EVE come to when we are outsourcing our griefing to other players?

so many tears, so little time. some times you just have to call in the cavalry.

What has EVE come to when we are outsourcing our griefing to other players?

What is EVE coming to when even the Devs are throwing around the word "griefing" when referring to legitimate gameplay?

What has EVE come to when we are outsourcing our griefing to other players?

What has EVE come to when we start referring to bots as players?

What has EVE come to when we are outsourcing our griefing to other players?

As most companies find these days it's cheaper to outsource most things to other people.

They have bots for suicide ganking and bumping now?

It's early and I haven't had coffee yet, but I think by calling it griefing, you say that they have feelings. Since a bot would not have feelings, then to be griefed requires a real player.

What has EVE come to when we are outsourcing our griefing to other players?

Funny that you use the term greifing ....


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Hey OP, I have an idea. Why do you you stock up the system with a ton of catalysts and fittings and hand them out for free to anyone who wants to gank miners? That would be a decent incentive.

Complaint: A certain system is a ghost town.

Suggested solution: Take actions that will entice the few people who are still there to leave.

Profit is boring.

What has EVE come to when we are outsourcing our griefing to other players?

Complaint: A certain system is a ghost town.

Suggested solution: Take actions that will entice the few people who are still there to leave.

Profit is boring.

What has EVE come to when we are outsourcing our griefing to other players?

Your Avatar is boring.

What has EVE come to when we are outsourcing our griefing to other players?

What is EVE coming to when even the Devs are throwing around the word "griefing" when referring to legitimate gameplay?

Firmly informally. It's not a petitionable action.

You should be much more careful, or post such informal stuff with a non-CCP alt.

Starting rumors is not allowed on this forum.

I all but guarantee you'll be quoted now as calling bumping "griefing."

Thanks a lot.

He'll also be quoted as calling bumping a non-petitionable action so *shrug*.

Miner bumpers and suicide gankers are idiot players with no PVP skills. You want to prove yourself, attack an equally skilled pilot with an equally fit ship. Then, and only then, do you have PVP skills.

Maybe.

But I'm betting there is a policy or something like that internally. All I'm saying is he shouldn't post "informal" untruths on a CCP account. It doesn't look good, it's a violation of the forum rules, and it doesn't help the players whose playstyle is being discussed here.

That's how I see it anyway.

As one of the players whose playstyle was being discussed, my reaction to the griefing comment was "lol" and my reaction to the petitioning quote was "Whoop finally an official quote".

Currently the New Order is focusing most of its attention on the Abudban

Yeah, i noticed, but you guys are really only a presence in local.

I went through every last belt looking to do some counter-bumping and only found people happily mining. Had to make do with mocking you all in local.

Yeah, i noticed, but you guys are really only a presence in local.

I went through every last belt looking to do some counter-bumping and only found people happily mining. Had to make do with mocking you all in local.

It sounds like, honestly, you had more fun than if you'd actually engaged in any attempts at counterbumping.

Would have stuck around longer if that was the case. Only spent 5-10 minutes there, looking for people, then logged out to play World of Tanks.

Would have stuck around longer if that was the case. Only spent 5-10 minutes there, looking for people, then logged out to play World of Tanks.

Miner bumpers and suicide gankers are idiot players with no PVP skills. You want to prove yourself, attack an equally skilled pilot with an equally fit ship. Then, and only then, do you have PVP skills.

Your dedication to guarding the AFK ice miners of Abudban in Ice Belt 1 is truly heartwarming.

Miner bumpers and suicide gankers are idiot players with no PVP skills. You want to prove yourself, attack an equally skilled pilot with an equally fit ship. Then, and only then, do you have PVP skills.

These sorts of insults and appeals to eHonour are always hilarious. It's like people expect the gankers and bumpers to suddenly go "Oh ****, I'm a coward! I should really change my ways..."

What has EVE come to when we are outsourcing our griefing to other players?

Miners and Mining Foremen have absolutely no PVE skills. You want to prove yourself, attack an equally skilled NPC with an equally fit ship. Then, and only then, do you have PVE skills.

The reasoning is just as sound.

I usally solo level 4's.

Fair enough.

But we already had these quotes.

It's not a petitionable action.

Right there.

Where? Show me one post where a dev or GM says unambigiously that Miner Bumping is not a petitionable action.
I'm bookmarking this quote.

Then why would you ever need to mine?

I'm self sufficient. I build my own ammo and ships.

The point I'm trying to make is that time spent mining or producing is taking away from time you could be blowing up red plus signs of varying thickness for considerably more ISK.

Can't speak for him, but i like mining because i can do it in windowed mode while doing other things online, like posting on forums. If i ever really need to make ISK i go do L4s, but as a non-pvp player i don't have to replace ships as often, and you eventually run out of things to buy.

Miner bumpers and suicide gankers are idiot players with no PVP skills. You want to prove yourself, attack an equally skilled pilot with an equally fit ship. Then, and only then, do you have PVP skills.

You mean you can't run level 4 missions in windowed mode while browsing the forums, semi-afk?

Jeez what ships do you guys use?

Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing?
Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?
Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing?
Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing?
They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow;
The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.
Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning,
Or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning?

While this may seem like the "honourable" thing to do, the smart thing to do is to overwhelm your enemy and ensure victory before you even engage. I suggest you read Sun-Tzu's art of war - while honour certainly plays it's part in Eastern battlefield techniques, even the Japanese weren't foolish enough to give the Americans a chance to fight back when they bombed Pearl Harbour. Was it cowardly? You could probably make an argument for that, but the only stupid thing they did was holding back their third wave - if they'd sent in the third wave, whose target was the fuel and ammo dumps, it would have cut America's Pacific Fleet's fuel supplies by more than 80%, effectively neutering them in WWII.

I don't think anyone that's actually playing the game and knows how things work is looking to "prove themselves" in PvP. You don't fight to prove yourself, you fight to win.

I just got front row seats to a kill by Naughty Rustled on a guy afk mining in a Talos..... it was GLORIOUS!!! No battleclinic killmail for it yet, though, which is a shame.

I did, however, get a great screenshot of the assault showing the Talos pilot continuing to mine as if completely oblivious to the attack.

Why... just use a skiff or mackinaw, seriously ?

I was there, man. I WAS THERE!!

We have been doing this quite some time now. So meta

What some call self sufficiency, others call a waste of time.

The point I'm trying to make is that time spent mining or producing is taking away from time you could be blowing up red plus signs of varying thickness for considerably more ISK.

Would have stuck around longer if that was the case. Only spent 5-10 minutes there, looking for people, then logged out to play World of Tanks.

While this may seem like the "honourable" thing to do, the smart thing to do is to overwhelm your enemy and ensure victory before you even engage. I suggest you read Sun-Tzu's art of war - while honour certainly plays it's part in Eastern battlefield techniques, even the Japanese weren't foolish enough to give the Americans a chance to fight back when they bombed Pearl Harbour. Was it cowardly? You could probably make an argument for that, but the only stupid thing they did was holding back their third wave - if they'd sent in the third wave, whose target was the fuel and ammo dumps, it would have cut America's Pacific Fleet's fuel supplies by more than 80%, effectively neutering them in WWII.

I don't think anyone that's actually playing the game and knows how things work is looking to "prove themselves" in PvP. You don't fight to prove yourself, you fight to win.

I'm not saying don't do it, if that's what blows your goat, go for it. All I'm saying is these bumpers/gankers need to stop saying that they're uber 1337 PVP'ers. It takes (virtualy) no skill to do.

I'm not saying don't do it, if that's what blows your goat, go for it. All I'm saying is these bumpers/gankers need to stop saying that they're uber 1337 PVP'ers. It takes (virtualy) no skill to do.

This is a problem with EVE. It's often more fun to PVP in another game.

Not that I have any idea on how to 'fix' it.

Miner bumpers and suicide gankers are idiot players with no PVP skills. You want to prove yourself, attack an equally skilled pilot with an equally fit ship. Then, and only then, do you have PVP skills.

Sun Tzu boss. And he was a war strategist not a petty thug, so I don't see what he would be upset about. To be clear though, I don't think there's anything wrong with being a low-grade thug, in Eve anyway, but call a spade a spade and all that.

What is EVE coming to when even the Devs are throwing around the word "griefing" when referring to legitimate gameplay?

Seems accurate to me. Think he nailed it for what it is.

It's not a petitionable action.

You should be much more careful, or post such informal stuff with a non-CCP alt.

Starting rumors is not allowed on this forum.

I all but guarantee you'll be quoted now as calling bumping "griefing."

Thanks a lot.

sounds like to me your getting some insight to private convo going on in ccp on the topic.

LOL is that what your crystal ball tells you? I would like to know how to aquire this skill you have of reading tone from text. Would be most handy to have indeed.

Yes he did say it was not bannable yet, just as they said afk minning also in not banable. I like the fact that he called it for for exactly what it is regardless of the rules.

I like how you put an imaginary "YET" into the quote, myself.

Looks like you've got a crystal ball, too...

Just FYI I mine in null. The only bumping that happens there is from alliance mates.