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Mordrake	Posted - 2005.11.16 07:14:00 - [31] I find the Cyclone to be a perfect moon probe launch platform.. it has a built in "Bore Sight" and I never miss a moon with the first probe no matter how small ; ] CNR Command Pilot - Commonwelth of Ekliptika "Arte et Marte"
Mordrake MetaForge	Posted - 2005.11.16 07:14:00 - [32] I find the Cyclone to be a perfect moon probe launch platform.. it has a built in "Bore Sight" and I never miss a moon with the first probe no matter how small ; ] "Arte et Marte"
Mordrake MetaForge Ekliptika	Posted - 2005.11.16 07:14:00 - [33] I find the Cyclone to be a perfect moon probe launch platform.. it has a built in "Bore Sight" and I never miss a moon with the first probe no matter how small ; ] "Arte et Marte"
Ekim	Posted - 2005.11.19 23:18:00 - [34] Ok, there have been a change reciently with Moon Probes that I think should be brought up here. Moon Probes/Launcher volume has been reduced to 10% (like drones). This means the 40 minute probes take 5m3, the 10 minute drones take 10m3, and the launchers have 10m3 cargo space (one or two probes). This makes frigates a lot more viable as moon probers. You don't have to be within 5,000 KM of a moon to launch a probe. I've launched 10 min probes from 6,000+ KM away and still gotten results. I like using a Covert Ops frigate for this. With L4 in Cloaking and Covert Ops, I can use the Covert Ops Cloak and a Probe launcher and have both online at the same time. Here's my configuration: Ship Class: Helios (Gallante since it's the only frig I'm at L5) High Slots: Covert Ops Cloak & Scan Probe Launcher. Medium Slots: one 1MN AB and four Cap Rechargers. Low Slots: one Nanofiber and two CoProcessor IIs (if you have Covert Ops at L5, you don't need the CoProcessors). With this configuration, I can carry 41 40-minute probes or 20 10-minute probes by using a small can in my hold. So far, the largest number of moons I've found in a system are around 70, so it won't take many trips to probe a system. Now that I know you don't have to stay within 1AU of your probe for it to work, I'll start using the 40 minute probes. That'll cut my cost of probes in half and double the number I can carry. Warping to a planet and scanning for a PoS is a great thing. You won't get the actual range to the PoS, but you'll know it's there. You can change the range of your scanner so you can try to figure out which moon has the PoS - it's not 100%, but it can be done. If you warp to a moon in your pod (only when there is no-one else in the system), then BM the tower and then warp back to your ship, you can then warp to 100km from the tower with your Cloak on and approach the moon. When the tower leaves your scanner usually 300-500km from it), it's safe to turn off the cloak and launch your probe. I don't need to wait for the probe results to come in to know if it's a good launch. I can see it when I launch. Just put your ship just under the middle of the moon and look at the white dot of the probe. If after about 10 seconds its in the moon's picture, it's a good launch. Otherwise it's bad and launch another. For those tiny moons, move your view until the moon is on the middle of the upper edge of the screen (it starts to stretch out so you can double-click on it. I'm over 99% success rate launching this way and I've yet to have a probe fail that I didn't know in advance it was a bad launch. ____________________________________________ If you think it's broke or don't like the way it works: Submit a Bug Report, Post a Suggestion on the Forums, or quit playing!
Ekim Ekim's Enterprises LTD	Posted - 2005.11.19 23:18:00 - [35] Ok, there have been a change reciently with Moon Probes that I think should be brought up here. Moon Probes/Launcher volume has been reduced to 10% (like drones). This means the 40 minute probes take 5m3, the 10 minute drones take 10m3, and the launchers have 10m3 cargo space (one or two probes). This makes frigates a lot more viable as moon probers. You don't have to be within 5,000 KM of a moon to launch a probe. I've launched 10 min probes from 6,000+ KM away and still gotten results. I like using a Covert Ops frigate for this. With L4 in Cloaking and Covert Ops, I can use the Covert Ops Cloak and a Probe launcher and have both online at the same time. Here's my configuration: Ship Class: Helios (Gallante since it's the only frig I'm at L5) High Slots: Covert Ops Cloak & Scan Probe Launcher. Medium Slots: one 1MN AB and four Cap Rechargers. Low Slots: one Nanofiber and two CoProcessor IIs (if you have Covert Ops at L5, you don't need the CoProcessors). With this configuration, I can carry 41 40-minute probes or 20 10-minute probes by using a small can in my hold. So far, the largest number of moons I've found in a system are around 70, so it won't take many trips to probe a system. Now that I know you don't have to stay within 1AU of your probe for it to work, I'll start using the 40 minute probes. That'll cut my cost of probes in half and double the number I can carry. Warping to a planet and scanning for a PoS is a great thing. You won't get the actual range to the PoS, but you'll know it's there. You can change the range of your scanner so you can try to figure out which moon has the PoS - it's not 100%, but it can be done. If you warp to a moon in your pod (only when there is no-one else in the system), then BM the tower and then warp back to your ship, you can then warp to 100km from the tower with your Cloak on and approach the moon. When the tower leaves your scanner usually 300-500km from it), it's safe to turn off the cloak and launch your probe. I don't need to wait for the probe results to come in to know if it's a good launch. I can see it when I launch. Just put your ship just under the middle of the moon and look at the white dot of the probe. If after about 10 seconds its in the moon's picture, it's a good launch. Otherwise it's bad and launch another. For those tiny moons, move your view until the moon is on the middle of the upper edge of the screen (it starts to stretch out so you can double-click on it. I'm over 99% success rate launching this way and I've yet to have a probe fail that I didn't know in advance it was a bad launch. ____________________________________________ If you think it's broke or don't like the way it works: Submit a Bug Report, Post a Suggestion on the Forums, or quit playing!
Ekim Ekim's Enterprises LTD	Posted - 2005.11.19 23:18:00 - [36] Ok, there have been a change reciently with Moon Probes that I think should be brought up here. Moon Probes/Launcher volume has been reduced to 10% (like drones). This means the 40 minute probes take 5m3, the 10 minute drones take 10m3, and the launchers have 10m3 cargo space (one or two probes). This makes frigates a lot more viable as moon probers. You don't have to be within 5,000 KM of a moon to launch a probe. I've launched 10 min probes from 6,000+ KM away and still gotten results. I like using a Covert Ops frigate for this. With L4 in Cloaking and Covert Ops, I can use the Covert Ops Cloak and a Probe launcher and have both online at the same time. Here's my configuration: Ship Class: Helios (Gallante since it's the only frig I'm at L5) High Slots: Covert Ops Cloak & Scan Probe Launcher. Medium Slots: one 1MN AB and four Cap Rechargers. Low Slots: one Nanofiber and two CoProcessor IIs (if you have Covert Ops at L5, you don't need the CoProcessors). With this configuration, I can carry 41 40-minute probes or 20 10-minute probes by using a small can in my hold. So far, the largest number of moons I've found in a system are around 70, so it won't take many trips to probe a system. Now that I know you don't have to stay within 1AU of your probe for it to work, I'll start using the 40 minute probes. That'll cut my cost of probes in half and double the number I can carry. Warping to a planet and scanning for a PoS is a great thing. You won't get the actual range to the PoS, but you'll know it's there. You can change the range of your scanner so you can try to figure out which moon has the PoS - it's not 100%, but it can be done. If you warp to a moon in your pod (only when there is no-one else in the system), then BM the tower and then warp back to your ship, you can then warp to 100km from the tower with your Cloak on and approach the moon. When the tower leaves your scanner usually 300-500km from it), it's safe to turn off the cloak and launch your probe. I don't need to wait for the probe results to come in to know if it's a good launch. I can see it when I launch. Just put your ship just under the middle of the moon and look at the white dot of the probe. If after about 10 seconds its in the moon's picture, it's a good launch. Otherwise it's bad and launch another. For those tiny moons, move your view until the moon is on the middle of the upper edge of the screen (it starts to stretch out so you can double-click on it. I'm over 99% success rate launching this way and I've yet to have a probe fail that I didn't know in advance it was a bad launch. ____________________________________________ If you think it's broke or don't like the way it works: Submit a Bug Report, Post a Suggestion on the Forums, or quit playing!
Crom'ar Lev	Posted - 2005.12.12 07:45:00 - [37] 2005.12.12 07:37:34infoProbe did not find any material worth exploiting on ****** V - Moon 9 Does this mean that the probe failed and u have to rescan or does it actually mean what it says and that particular moon has no material? thx
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2005.12.12 07:45:00 - [38] 2005.12.12 07:37:34infoProbe did not find any material worth exploiting on ****** V - Moon 9 Does this mean that the probe failed and u have to rescan or does it actually mean what it says and that particular moon has no material? thx
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2005.12.12 07:45:00 - [39] 2005.12.12 07:37:34infoProbe did not find any material worth exploiting on ****** V - Moon 9 Does this mean that the probe failed and u have to rescan or does it actually mean what it says and that particular moon has no material? thx
Morkalum Takor	Posted - 2005.12.12 22:58:00 - [40] Means the moon is barren. Time to go search new moons. "There's more than one side to a story..."-Reporter for the InterCorp Courier Enterprises

Morkalum Takor Minmatar Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2005.12.12 22:58:00 - [41] Means the moon is barren. Time to go search new moons. "There's more than one side to a story..."-Reporter for the InterCorp Courier Enterprises
Morkalum Takor Minmatar Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2005.12.12 22:58:00 - [42] Means the moon is barren. Time to go search new moons. "There's more than one side to a story..."-Reporter for the InterCorp Courier Enterprises
probablecause	Posted - 2006.05.01 16:58:00 - [43] Has anyone put these moon scan results into a searchable database? It seems an awfully expensive and vast endeavour to do over and over. Is anyone providing their data freely?
Qolde	Posted - 2006.05.02 01:36:00 - [44] Probably not. Just like people don't tell trade routes. But this is a little more permanent than trade routes. I've seen some people sell their data though.
F lar	Posted - 2006.05.31 22:02:00 - [45] What error is returned if you miss a moon? I have received, "Probe did not find any material worth exploiting" several times. I gather that means the moon is barren. Never any other error. Thanks, -F lar
franny	Posted - 2006.06.01 05:42:00 - [46] failure to connect blah blah blah is the 'missed' msg nothing to exploit is the your moon sucks msg ----------------------------------------- TCC Diplomatic core + combat pilot talk or shoot, makes no difference to me :)
Flyhard	Posted - 2006.07.07 11:03:00 - [47] bump
Hermia HIVE	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:57:00 - [48] Originally by: Ekim Warping to a planet and scanning for a PoS is a great thing. You won't get the actual range to the PoS, but you'll know it's there. You can change the range of your scanner so you can try to figure out which moon has the PoS - it's not 100%, but it The following is important to know for new guys on the beat: You must scan the system of POS's first, it is possible to 100% determine there exact location as well just using the scanner without probes, heres how. 1) Warp to planet and open scanner. Set range to something that will encompass every moon around the planet (1 million km is adequate). Set the angle to 360 degrees, hit scan and collect data. 2) Not critical but for the love of god make sure you check the tick box "use overview setings". Also check the "Control Tower" box in your overview setings. 3) On finding control towers, you can narrow your search by shortening the angle, allignment is done on camera movement only, no need to align your ship. 4) Finally narrow your angle all the way to 30 degrees and scan single moons. Hold down left alt to highlight moon name. easy
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:50:00 - [49] Please Sticky this! Great thread. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always broke! Science Ships
Onan HIVE	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:40:00 - [50] Quite true, using the 'scan at the planets' method is a sure fired way not to end up looking at the outside of your pod, which i am all in favor of. I don't think anyone would willingly hand over information on moons (unless he's completely mad) it's an aweful lot of time and effort to scan moons and you'd be stupid to hand that information out to just anyone for free.

Eldrad	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:56:00 - [51] When moon scan results are returned, it's either none, or 1-4. In the 1-4 range, which is best, the 1 or the 4?
Erfnam Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Hermia Originally by: Ekim Warping to a planet and scanning for a PoS is a great thing. You won't get the actual range to the PoS, but you'll know it's there. You can change the range of your scanner so you can try to figure out which moon has the PoS - it's not 100%, but it The following is important to know for new guys on the beat: You must scan the system of POS's first, it is possible to 100% determine there exact location as well just using the scanner without probes, heres how. 1) Warp to planet and open scanner. Set range to something that will encompass every moon around the planet (1 million km is adequate). Set the angle to 360 degrees, hit scan and collect data. 2) Not critical but for the love of god make sure you check the tick box "use overview setings". Also check the "Control Tower" box in your overview setings. 3) On finding control towers, you can narrow your search by shortening the angle, allignment is done on camera movement only, no need to align your ship. 4) Finally narrow your angle all the way to 30 degrees and scan single moons. Hold down left alt to highlight moon name. easy For the lazy. Safe spot, eject, warp directly to moon. Tower guns do not shoot pods. :) Time Cube Syndicate is recruiting
Hermia HIVE	Posted - 2006.11.11 15:12:00 - [53] Originally by: Onan Quite true, using the 'scan at the planets' method is a sure fired way not to end up looking at the outside of your pod, which i am all in favor of. I don't think anyone would willingly hand over information on moons (unless he's completely mad) it's an aweful lot of time and effort to scan moons and you'd be stupid to hand that information out to just anyone for free. LOLOLLOL, OMG he makes a post. Well done onan. For a laugh everyone click onans passed posts, its a bout 4 over the passed 3 and a half years. getting back on track, flying your pod to locations actually takes WAY LONGER than scanning the moon, honestly. Personally i only use a pod to check belt ore when flying a throw-away-alt in enemy territory.
Eldrad	Posted - 2006.11.13 03:24:00 - [54] Of the following types of scanned metals/gases, which would be the best value to try to mine (in terms of profitability)? All are abundance 1. Cobalt Hydrocarbons Atmospheric gas Evaporite deposits Thanks!
Commander Spectre	Posted - 2007.02.21 01:47:00 - [55] Ok can somone Update this guide?...it is seriously oudated with ravelations and I need to know how it works now.
Ash Donai	Posted - 2007.02.23 06:14:00 - [56] Originally by: Commander Spectre Ok can somone Update this guide?...it is seriously oudated with ravelations and I need to know how it works now. Yup, that someone is you. Since you seem to have information that indicates that the current guide is "seriously outdated", you could share than new info and thus contribute to an "updated" guide.
Vincent Almasy Gallente The Underground	Posted - 2007.03.29 21:47:00 - [57] I have heard you need to line up perfectly with a moon befor launching a probe so it will get the information. Is there something i am missing? I warp to a moon, I am always off angle I move to a range of 5200km from the moon. I try to align with the moon using warp, then stop ship as normal. I am not on angle with the moon sometimes close but others i am close to 40 degrees off angle from the moon. Is there some pay to fix this or the visual sence not matter?
Kurull Skullsplitter Minmatar Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.04.10 17:17:00 - [58] Edited by: Kurull Skullsplitter on 10/04/2007 17:15:55 Originally by: Vincent Almasy I have heard you need to line up perfectly with a moon befor launching a probe so it will get the information. Is there something i am missing? I warp to a moon, I am always off angle I move to a range of 5200km from the moon. I try to align with the moon using warp, then stop ship as normal. I am not on angle with the moon sometimes close but others i am close to 40 degrees off angle from the moon. Is there some pay to fix this or the visual sence not matter? After you warp you must move your ship in the "approach" fashion toward the moon to align the launcher. This is not always obvious how to do since you can't use most of the normal methods to approach things. However, the double click in space method still works. For the larger moons just double click very close to the square icon that represents the moon on your screen. That is the one in space appearing to be in the center of the moon. For small moons that does not work so well. In which case press Ctrl+Tab which removes all things from your screen except the space graphics. Then you can center your mouse on the moon and double click which will cause your ship to approach the moon directly at it center if you clicked right in the center of the moon in space. Then press Ctrl+Tab again to bring your normal view back. Fire the probe and watch it to see if its going toward the moon. This is important... in every case where you approach the moon to align your ship for firing the probe be sure you allow a couple seconds for your ship to actually align before you fire the probe. If you don't it will go off into space. a rule of thumb for moon probeing... "Haste makes waste" Something I not seen remarked upon... I suggest keeping ahead of your note taking on moon probe results. Keep them annotated on paper or in your ingame notepad. A couple hours of time can easily be lost if your connection gets dropped if you haven't put the info down somewhere first. . ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Relationships are ours to make; we define them, day by day, by who we choose to love and how we choose to love them. And, by these choices, define ourselves. Richard N. Patterson
Persephone Heaven	Posted - 2007.05.14 12:37:00 - [59] Forgive me if this is a noobish question but when it comes to surveying and POS setup I am a noobe I was out surveying and getting very excited abou the results I might get like a kid before he opens his christmas presents. Imagine my excitment when I found a moon with Platinum & Dysprosium. Ok heres the bummer. In my enthusiastic rush, I forgot to check the security status of the system. When I Was writing up my results, I noticed that the moon was in a 0.4 security system. Does this mean that if I set up a POS at this moon, I will not be able to online a Moon Mining array to extract these minerals? Many thanks Persephone
Toriatrix The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:12:00 - [60] Originally by: Persephone Heaven Forgive me if this is a noobish question but when it comes to surveying and POS setup I am a noobe I was out surveying and getting very excited abou the results I might get like a kid before he opens his christmas presents. Imagine my excitment when I found a moon with Platinum & Dysprosium. Ok heres the bummer. In my enthusiastic rush, I forgot to check the security status of the system. When I Was writing up my results, I noticed that the moon was in a 0.4 security system. Does this mean that if I set up a POS at this moon, I will not be able to online a Moon Mining array to extract these minerals? Many thanks Persephone Yep. 0.1 -> 0.7 = no moonmining. = no fun.. -Toriatrix The Blackwater Brigade.



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