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Tiggerban
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.11.15 16:08:00 -
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Its not eve hard mode, its not fun, and its definitely not worth it.
More and more I see my fellow negative 10 pilots slowly resign themselves to raising their sec status back to positive because being -10 conveys absolutely nothing to the eve experience.
Going -10 is not something most of us consciously choose to do. It is more of a repercussion of living in low sec, it just happens whether you want it to or not, and many people actively fight the battle of raising their sec status every time they lose some.
The people who come to this style of play don't like 0.0, and usually are quite abrasive when it comes to taking orders and being commanded to commit to combat ops and what have you. High sec is too busy and predictable with pvp breaking down to something akin to rock em sock em robots and station games.
So we come to low sec, the last bastion of hope and home of FW. To be honest it is slowly breaking us. Sure we can compete sometimes, and we can put together fleets and logistics and win fights too, but that isn't the EVE we crave. The one where your adrenaline is pumping and the blood is pounding in your ears as you fly your ship against hopeless odds trying to get that kill or maybe just stay alive.
So we are left to raise our sec status back to positive, and I guess people would say well whats wrong with doing that. Nothing is really wrong with it, but if we wanted to sit around killing BS rats in belts all day we would. So our group grows slowly more dilapidated, dysfunctional, and bitter. Ending with people just leaving the game altogether.
I hope there is an expansion coming soon called Outlaw
out-+law
GÇé GÇé[out-law] Show IPA
noun
1.
a lawless person or habitual criminal, especially one who is a fugitive from the law.
2.
a person, group, or thing excluded from the benefits and protection of the law.
3.
a person under sentence of outlawry.
4.
a person who refuses to be governed by the established rules or practices of any group; rebel; nonconformist: one of the outlaws of country music.
5.
Chiefly Western U.S.
a.
a horse that cannot be broken; a mean, intractable horse.
b.
any rogue animal.
Being an outlaw was not about you being punished, it was about people not being punished for would be crimes against you. |
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.11.15 16:10:00 -
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There is a down side to being an Outlaw.
Welcome to Eve! |
Aziesta
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel
Apocalypse Now.
116
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Posted - 2012.11.15 16:14:00 -
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Well, with the new crimewatch function, it'll be possible to live and pvp in lowsec without having to worry about your sec status. Just don't pod. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
Intrepid Crossing
478
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Posted - 2012.11.15 16:20:00 -
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Aziesta wrote:Well, with the new crimewatch function, it'll be possible to live and pvp in lowsec without having to worry about your sec status. Just don't pod.
That's like asking pigs to stay out of slop. Honestly, I don't think they can help themselves, it's in their nature.
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
205
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Posted - 2012.11.15 16:30:00 -
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Tiggerban wrote:
More and more I see my fellow negative 10 pilots slowly resign themselves to raising their sec status back to positive because being -10 conveys absolutely nothing to the eve experience.
And your problem is....?
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Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
126
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Posted - 2012.11.15 16:36:00 -
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post with your main.
I have to agree with you though, there's absolutely no postive thing about being negative ten. But it certainly doesn't make it less fun to live and pirate in losec.
So, I don't know what's "slowly breaking" you, man up and start pewing! |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
451
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Posted - 2012.11.15 16:50:00 -
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I'm not sure what this thread is about. Is OP asking for more content for -10 criminals, or for more danger or something? |
Tornado Bait
Douchingtons
0
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Posted - 2012.11.15 16:52:00 -
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This is my main |
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.11.15 16:56:00 -
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dethleffs wrote:post with your main.
Get over it. |
Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.11.15 16:58:00 -
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Excuse me OP but your security status is 0.0 |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
1089
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Posted - 2012.11.15 17:00:00 -
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Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:dethleffs wrote:post with your main.
Get over it.
Get over it with your main.
www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
March rabbit
Aliastra
262
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Posted - 2012.11.15 17:04:00 -
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i've heard that you loose sec status for attacking and killing people who didn't aggro you. Maybe i'm wrong tho. 
Anyway i have no problems with NOT ATTACKING other people. Game doesn't force you to do it.
And if you mean that some day i can just choose and settle one pretty low-sec system with good agents and go run missions all day without watching my back (because all piwates left bored) i'm fine with it  |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1598
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Posted - 2012.11.15 17:08:00 -
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I read and reread the OP a couple times and I think it says this: There's not enough pvp in low sec, no one really lives there. A lot of folks who like pvp don't like 0.0 because of bubbles and Sabre's. These same people also don't like high sec because of station games. -10 is not content in and of itself but the content came from doing the things you did to make you -10
. |
Generals4
1568
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Posted - 2012.11.15 17:24:00 -
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Tiggerban wrote:Its not eve hard mode, its not fun, and its definitely not worth it.
More and more I see my fellow negative 10 pilots slowly resign themselves to raising their sec status back to positive because being -10 conveys absolutely nothing to the eve experience.
You do realize negative security statuses aren't there to add content but rather to punish you for criminal acts?
-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
10696
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:11:00 -
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I's great being neg 10. If you're bored, you're doing it wrong.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Oregin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:49:00 -
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The -10 punishment is pretty crap and not in a 'well it's reasonable and just and keeps me on my toes way'.
Simply being unable to enter highsec in anything that can't evade concord is not fun, doesn't help 'protect' anyone in highsec and simply makes what is, in my opinion, the best bit of EVE (lowsec living and piracy) a logistics nightmare, rather than a risk/reward issue.
I'd argue that -10's should be let freely into highsec without concord intervention and, while we're at it, remove the different steps in this 1.0-0.5 highsec blacklisting altogether.
I can see the idea behind it... keep the scum out of the best suburbs... make them drink in the 0.5 sec cantinas on the edges of civilised space.. yaddah yaddah. But in reality, it doesn't take a hell of a lot for someone to find themselves relegated to a tiny section of space. People quickly get the reaper badge in concord's eyes but in reality, the real 'undesirables' in EVE are the spammers in Jita, not the happy-go-lucky-lowsec-scamps.
Let the -10's enter highsec and risk being shot at?
They want to move that domi? Let them, and let them sneak the damn thing out. It'll make resupply possible (if a bit awkward when they'd obviously have to avoid key market systems in the name of discretion and safety). All the while, everyone else gets to have a go at them: vigiliante justice, that's EVE!
Let them try and flog their spoils, let them move their assets and let them mission if they like! Let them face the risk rather than face certain death at the hands of the faceless gods that make bounty hunting a impossibility.
Let's give the cloaky recons a job to do and let people gatecamp lowsec entrances like the empowered carebear paladins that they want to be!
Let's see noobs scramble to get involved in -10 grabs.
Let's see the true colours of the -10s as they bait and switch those eager beavers who try to take them on without knowing about the hidden logistics and secret ploys.
For God's sake CCP, let us play in the sand. |
Sentamon
259
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:58:00 -
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-10 isn't supposed to be a civilized society "lifestyle".
Would you prefer prison or execution when finally caught?
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
Dec Shield
2058
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:59:00 -
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You've been doing it wrong.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
Dec Shield
2058
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Posted - 2012.11.15 19:02:00 -
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Oregin wrote:The -10 punishment is pretty crap and not in a 'well it's reasonable and just and keeps me on my toes way'.
Simply being unable to enter highsec in anything that can't evade concord is not fun, doesn't help 'protect' anyone in highsec and simply makes what is, in my opinion, the best bit of EVE (lowsec living and piracy) a logistics nightmare, rather than a risk/reward issue.
I'd argue that -10's should be let freely into highsec without concord intervention and, while we're at it, remove the different steps in this 1.0-0.5 highsec blacklisting altogether.
I can see the idea behind it... keep the scum out of the best suburbs... make them drink in the 0.5 sec cantinas on the edges of civilised space.. yaddah yaddah. But in reality, it doesn't take a hell of a lot for someone to find themselves relegated to a tiny section of space. People quickly get the reaper badge in concord's eyes but in reality, the real 'undesirables' in EVE are the spammers in Jita, not the happy-go-lucky-lowsec-scamps.
Let the -10's enter highsec and risk being shot at?
They want to move that domi? Let them, and let them sneak the damn thing out. It'll make resupply possible (if a bit awkward when they'd obviously have to avoid key market systems in the name of discretion and safety). All the while, everyone else gets to have a go at them: vigiliante justice, that's EVE!
Let them try and flog their spoils, let them move their assets and let them mission if they like! Let them face the risk rather than face certain death at the hands of the faceless gods that make bounty hunting an impossibility.
Let's give the cloaky recons a job to do and let people gatecamp lowsec entrances like the empowered carebear paladins that they want to be!
Let's see noobs scramble to get involved in -10 grabs.
Let's see the true colours of the -10s as they bait and switch those eager beavers who try to take them on without knowing about the hidden logistics and secret ploys.
For God's sake CCP, let us play in the sand.
I congratulate you for this post, which is filled with false information.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
Dec Shield
2058
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Posted - 2012.11.15 19:02:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:Tiggerban wrote:Its not eve hard mode, its not fun, and its definitely not worth it.
More and more I see my fellow negative 10 pilots slowly resign themselves to raising their sec status back to positive because being -10 conveys absolutely nothing to the eve experience.
You do realize negative security statuses aren't there to add content but rather to punish you for criminal acts?
Actually, we produce more content than most people with +10.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
658
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Posted - 2012.11.15 19:03:00 -
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I only agree in saying that getting sec status back is a pain in the ass.
CCP should introduce getting increases in sec status for killing outlaw players with lower sec status than yourself. The sec status would have top be worked out depending on how much ISK damage you did to them to prevent exploits of course.
As for life being boring at -10, rubbish.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1141
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Posted - 2012.11.15 19:03:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:dethleffs wrote:post with your main.
Get over it. Get over it with your main.
and all your alts
a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Dar Manic
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2012.11.15 19:40:00 -
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So you made a choice and it sucks... and CCP needs to change? If being -10 was forced on you I would agree.. but you chose the life.
I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you. |
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
175
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Posted - 2012.11.16 04:24:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Generals4 wrote:Tiggerban wrote:Its not eve hard mode, its not fun, and its definitely not worth it.
More and more I see my fellow negative 10 pilots slowly resign themselves to raising their sec status back to positive because being -10 conveys absolutely nothing to the eve experience.
You do realize negative security statuses aren't there to add content but rather to punish you for criminal acts? Actually, we produce more content than most people with +10.
lol |
Naburi NasNaburi
War Trident
Trifectas Syndicate
130
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Posted - 2012.11.16 06:45:00 -
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Yep being -10 sucks so bad, that I am having the time of my life every time I log on.
Its soo boring that my boys can tell by my giggles on TS if I caught someone, or someone caught me.
Its soo depressing to scare the living hell out of someone *neutral* when you pop up on his grid.
Ratting is a pain in the arse, cause the moment I was able to enter hisec again (2 days of 00 grinding) my sec dropped right back down to -6.
And nope you of course cannot move ships through hisec at all, simply cause there are no ways to be smarter/faster than those who want to chase and kill you.
/sarcasm off
-10 is a lifestyle ! |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
195
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Posted - 2012.11.16 07:20:00 -
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I personally know NOONE that regrets even one podkill. Hell - most pirates would pod themself - AND punch little kittens in the face.
Post with your main or GTFO :-)
"Also, your boobs  " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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Lance Rossiter
CHAINS Corp
5
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Posted - 2012.11.16 07:28:00 -
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The punitive aspects of security rating loss are pretty important to the unique landscape of low sec, because that's the mechanism that creates the "good guys and bad guys" vibe of the area. I enjoy meeting players on both sides of the division and have equal respect for both, but I think I like low sec more than I'd like null sec because there's more motivation for some of the people to be nice, or at least non-hostile, to strangers.
I'm also in favour of anything that encourages people who live in low sec to source their stuff locally, because I love the idea of getting blown up by weapons I made and sold myself. |
OT Smithers
BLOMI
350
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Posted - 2012.11.16 08:05:00 -
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I did not choose to be negative ten. None the less, here I am. Negative ten and alone. So aloneGǪ
I'm a low sec pirate guy
And everywhere I fly
People know the role
I'm playing
IGÇÖm camping every gate
And relishing your hate
Every night carebears
I'm slaying
There will come a day
Sec status pissed away
And what will they say about me?
GÇ£I wish you were freaking DEAD!GÇ¥
Then put a bounty on my head
And life goes on
Without me.
'Cause I aint got nobody
Nobody, nobody, cares for me
I'm so sad and lonely
Sad and lonely
sad and lonely
Won't some freighter pilot
Come and take a chance with me?
Cause I aint so bad! |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1496
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Posted - 2012.11.16 09:21:00 -
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CCP response to thread: Working as intended. We can afford to lose certain players.
Player majority response to thread: GTFO belligerent undesirable. People should be able to run missions in low in peace. Also, consequences.
The only sympathy you'll get will come from other pirates who haven't had a "meal" today, and players who experienced this type of play style, and left for the exact reasons you outlined.
CCP has been nerfing both high-sec and low-sec pvp since the game came out. This isn't exactly a new discovery. So the question is, why would they add content to game play aspects that they've consistently diminished for almost an entire decade? You're as likely to see new outlaw content (don't call crapwatch new outlaw content, because it's anything but) as I'm likely to meet hot singles in my area tonight by clicking this pretty banner ad.
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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
209
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Posted - 2012.11.16 09:33:00 -
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-10 is a positive thing. It's a way to encourage people to fight you and a way to put yourself at a handicap to bait them in to a fight. People who don't think -10 is a positive thing are usually people that;
1. Can't do their own logistics, or arent with an alliance that can,
2. Dont understand lowsec PvP
3. Dont like the colour red.
-10 is a wonderful thing, i purposely dont kill rats because of it. |
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