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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:16:00 -
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Farmer John > this thread 
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Star Fraction
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:17:00 -
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 Originally by: theRaptor
Welcome to the real world. Mummy and Daddy arent here to protect you anymore.
I signed up for a game, not Real World 2
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:19:00 -
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i find this disgusting tbh.
normaly corp theft seem to be opertunist events. like when a t2 bpo enter's the corp and the ceo runs off with it.
but to preplan wrecking a group of players game is a atack on their game experiance and totaly below the belt.
what more the boasting about what they done is totaly dispicable.
as we can't hafve ccp interfer. we can have something done from a role playing perspective.
as they themselfs admitted it.
make the entire corp -10 standing to concord and all empires.
such a event is on scale with the quafe murders and the gallente continuing war on terror so lets have the empire make a stand against it and hit them all.
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Skogen Gump
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
There has been an official response. Ask Ubiqua Seraph what it was.
Was it Buhu ?
Sorry, couldn't resist that :Ì
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anter
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
There has been an official response. Ask Ubiqua Seraph what it was.
What? I am curious where CCP stand on this.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 19/04/2005 15:24:15
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 19/04/2005 12:26:43
Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
I wonder if you guys would still do this kind of stuff when you actually would have to look those people you screw over in the eyes when you do it. See the expression on their face when they realise that what they spent their time on during the last 1+ years is essentially gone.
Mai, I respect your viewpoints, but I have to ask about the above statement: are you speaking in character or out of character?
In character, I think the answer is clear. GHSC has been roleplayed to be nothing more than what they have claimed to be: the best infiltration corp in EVE. The characters of Istvaan and his cohorts would barely bat an eye.
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Of course there's a difference between when you're doing stuff IC or OOC. Personally (for my own char) I don't really make a difference there.
Except for the fact that the character 'Mai' is female and I'm not, there isn't really a difference between the character Mai and myself.
Others don't handle it that way and I respect that. Makes for a pretty interesting environment and it's a lot of fun to play with these people.
However, when you do IC stuff you also have a responsibility for the people around you, IMHO.
When you pull a corptheft you have to be aware that, although what you're doing might be IC and totally fine within the game's boundaries, your actions may very well have consequences OOG and OOC for a lot of other people.
IMO you can't just go, basically bash others over the head with a f*in sledgehammer (that's what corptheft is figuratively speaking), watch the people you blow away leave the game in disgust and then say "hey it was all IC I'm not responsible".
Of course you are, you took the stuff. Whether you took it IC or OOC doesn't really play a role in this context, because your actions affect other people's RL... like it or not.
I'm not saying that corp theft should be a bannable offence or something. CCP seems to like it even. What I don't like however is when people do these kind of things and then take the "IC approach" as an excuse when they face the fact that they might be held responsible for what their actions lead to. When you screw other people over (and hence act like an a-hole in my eyes), then at least be an honourable a-hole and take responsibility for what you did.
Hiding under the "it was all IC and it's allowed" flag just so that you can look in the mirror without facing who you really are doesn't work... at least in my view it doesn't.
Originally by: "Seleene"
Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
The others though, who try to make it look like this game should be treated as business just suck. They only spew that kind of bs until it finally happens to them and then they quit.
I know for a fact that more than a few people have left EVE due to the actions of myself and my corp due to the role that we play. Do I think this is good? No, I think it sucks. Am I going to change what I do so these people might stay? Not a chance. Does that put me and mine at the same level as a corp thief?
IMO there's a really big difference between you guys and corpthieves.
What you guys do doesn't destroy years worth of playtime and dedication.
Also, as I said, even though what you do might make people leave the game (for whatever bs reason) you guys have the guts to stand up and say 'yeah... what I did made them leave and I don't give a rats ass'. You take responsibility for what you do everytime you undock your ships.
Corpthieves, at least most of those I've witnessed, don't do that. They either delete the alts they used to do it or they go 'it was all IC I'm not responsible'. That doesn't work IMO when you screw people over as hard as that. There's a difference between giving people a bruise and blowing their brains out. One might just be a consequence of the game you play, the other bears consequences for people in RL, not just the game.
OK enough blabber I have to go sell some stuff 
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:26:00 -
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but to preplan wrecking a group of players game is a atack on their game experiance and totaly below the belt.
I gotta call you on that Fairmear. If I wanted to hunt npc's in Stain and didn't want to pay a passport. You'd plan to repeatedly gank and camp and murder my ships until I was driven away wouldn't you?
Is that or is that not a preplanned attack on my gameplay experience?
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Ghost Red
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
I gotta call you on that Fairmear. If I wanted to hunt npc's in Stain and didn't want to pay a passport. You'd plan to repeatedly gank and camp and murder my ships until I was driven away wouldn't you?
Is that or is that not a preplanned attack on my gameplay experience?
pwned! 
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Kira Natel
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:29:00 -
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Anything that causes players to possibly leave en masse should be reviewed by CCP. Its damages the game and hurts CCP's bottom line.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
All the IJBM's, full insurance and Concord can't save you from beeing REALLY hurt using high end espionage. Only YOUR BRAINS can.
Although you come up with some of the most silly ideas in EVE Aelius ( ), you are incredibly right with this one.
As the Caldari Outlaw said, "They just don't get it; brains are a better weapon than any Megathron class battleship or graviton smartbomb!"
And despite all the dumb-friendly failsafes that CCP has implemented, that is what EVE is all about. GHSC just reminded everyone that the game isn't about no-brains grinding, and that brains are a better weapon than any Navy Issue Apocalypse.
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James Raven
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Terrapin
This is the part where I disagree with you. Imho you're giving these people too much credit for pulling off a scam like this.
In my experience Eve players are, despite the plethora of warnings in game and here on the forums, easy to manipulate.
Just like irl, security is broken more easily by social engineering than by any other means. This is because most players are sociable and want to make friends in game, and (too) easily give people the benefit of the doubt.
Any person with half a brain and enough determination could rip off any but the most paranoid corps.
Let me get this straight. Just because people look to games for friends (which is just fine, but caution has to be exercised, or you have stuff like this happening) everyone is supposed to be friends with them? Um.. when did Eve Online become Barney And Friends? Granted, I've not played long, but come on. If there's any kind of interacting with others, you're going to run into people you don't agree with, and people you just downright hate. The thing is not to take it personally. It's just a game. The people that take it personally are the ones that need to sort themselves out. Don't let yourself get worked up about a game. It's there to have fun in and enjoy and get some entertainment from, not go and get depressed about.
As you yourself said, there's some players that are willfully ignorant and want to play in a Barney And Friends environment. Sad to say, it's not Eve Online. And it's most likely no other multi-player game out there, either. Once more than one human is involved in the same game, things like this can happen. It's human nature, even if you are just playing a game. The thing is, as I said before, don't let it get to you. Don't take it personally. It's a game.
As for people without half a brain.. refer to my sig. :/ It's blunt and to the point, but it's true. I don't play a game to cater to other people's whims, I play to have fun and be entertained.
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Reku
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Reku on 19/04/2005 15:37:07
EVE is just a game, but just like in any other game there is people playing it.
Take boxing for example. Put some newbie against heavy boxing world champion and newbie would die in seconds if the real boxer would take it seriously, even if he would play within rules. Be it corptheft, pirate, mercenary, trader, miner or mission runner we shouldn't play just to ruin others fun by taking it to extremes (months of pretending to be 'friend')...
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Commander Paul
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:45:00 -
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This is an experience all CEO's can learn from, put all of your BPO's in a corp hanger that is set to "View only"
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:48:00 -
[194]
Lame.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2005.04.19 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Paul
This is an experience all CEO's can learn from, put all of your BPO's in a corp hanger that is set to "View only"
Using corpoffices and the 'based at' feature works, too.
When you need people to use BPs, make copies of those, bring them to a more or less central location, assign some manufacturers and give them access to the BP hangar in that office only.
Another option are audit log containers. But I can't give any tips on these because I haven't played around with them, yet.
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:00:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
is buying everyone drinks at fanfest then?
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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Question2
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Edited by: Arenis Xemdal on 19/04/2005 07:56:05
I would like to remind the rambling Ushra'Khan drone, whose corpse I am in posession of, that the BPOs were all locked down.
I started the vote to unlock them, Mirial sanctioned the vote once it passed and I was conveniently there to transport them to the "new" production headquarters, which I also suggested no more than 30 hours prior to that.
The lock was there, I simply picked it.
All of which am totally irrelevant to what i posted.Its obvious you never read it.
In short,theres nothing you can do to a skilled scammer who doesnt use his main.He WILL gain corp hangar access sooner,or later.He WILL be untouchable if he wants to,pratically or technically.He WILL be impossible to find if he wants to.
Oh and please,dont use that "omgz i have your corpse!!!" bit with me.It is not an amazing achievement to kill a lagged out kestrel piloted by a month old character running NPC setup.
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Hawk Firestorm
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:10:00 -
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I have to agree with some of this.
IT's not right that one person can wreck so much havoc to the efforts of the many.
There is a fix to this that could be implemented in that corps items etc could be set with a flag by the CEO, so that any stray items could be recalled after each DT to the corps hanger by CEO, to stop this.
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Lidza
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:11:00 -
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Leave BPOs in your personal hangar!
And drop BPCs into corp hangars!
Risk free!
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:12:00 -
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Oh well, CCP just wants us to make 1 character corps and be all soloplayers. You can't trust anyone, so why should you even bother playing with someone else?
CCP states they want teamwork, but they encourage the events that break up teams and destroys their work.
Heh, guess I'm a tad stubborn when I say I'm not going to comply, and I will continue to try to make a great, dedicated corp based on trust and friendship, even if it's against the goal CCP has for this game...
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Question2
Oh and please,dont use that "omgz i have your corpse!!!" bit with me.It is not an amazing achievement to kill a lagged out kestrel piloted by a month old character running NPC setup.
Do excuse Arenis' curt manner, a fervent Sarumite whose blood still burns with the heat of battle understandably tends to forget himself - especially when addressing one whom he considers cattle.
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Terrapin
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: James Raven
Let me get this straight. Just because people look to games for friends (which is just fine, but caution has to be exercised, or you have stuff like this happening) everyone is supposed to be friends with them?
No, my point is, how much caution can you reasonably expect from a CEO? By which standards can he decide that a player is trustworthy?
If you can't trust people who have been an active member and helped build your corporation for over five months, who can you trust? Nobody it seems. And -that- is harming this game (imho).
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Jezala
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:22:00 -
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Hats off to GHSC. That was an incredibe display of human and social engineering. I'm glad that you guys posted your exploit because it is a rare example of how to wage war on another corp without having to discharge a weapon.
I'd put your feat right up there with the Great Scam. Both require an extrodianary patience and a ton of effort.
Its moments like these that make me think that EVE is just a human/social engineering experiment in a petri dish.
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Reku
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:29:00 -
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EVE sure offers fun for griefer. Specially if some guilds/clans move to eve and dont know all the tricks.
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CaldariCitizen 9735
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
You see thats rubbish to be honest. By your account I could trick out my megathron with a tonne of mods and go risk a couple of billion hunting Serpentis in Fountain. When inevitably the Fountain military come and scramble and blow me to hell should I be able to go complain to CCP about the fact that those alliance gankers have destroyed the majority of isk I've ever earned in my two years in game?
Whats the difference really?
HUGE difference.. getting blown up or ganked .. or otherwise podded in space if far far different than getting conned by someone you thought you could trust. The whole basis of a functioning corp is being able to have its members assume roles that enable the corp to function as a usefull entity. This kind of thievery makes that next to impossible, and will cripple a lot of aspects in the future.
So .. no it's not rubbish M8T
Cloune d'Que!! zhey iss all ze Cloune d'que!! |
Edhel
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:35:00 -
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it's no offence, ppl rob from corps in rl all the time.
Although this is a frustrating fact it's quite true.
But after all, this is a roleplaying game and he roleplayed a thief pretty well. :)
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Heliodor Mordureau
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:52:00 -
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In RL, GHSC would all be entertaining convicts in prison as a result of grand larceny charge, and probably wouldn't see daylight again.
The bottom line is, somewhere in a corporation there has to be a trust somewhere. Because alts can easily be created and destroyed with no trace. And because CCP is unwilling to enforce any sort of rules over the theft of objects in game, stuff like this can happen where a year's worth of work can be taken and dispersed without no means or reprisal.
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Look mate, if it's smack you want then I'll start sending Rohann into your Alliance chat everyday for a week.
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Namelesz
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Posted - 2005.04.19 16:58:00 -
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to GHSC : Congrats and well done! Mirial had this long time comin.
Payback is a *snip*! 
And to those that think that the other members are suffering for Mirial's past actions, maybe she should compensate them and the corp from her personal wallet and hangars. I did not read every post in this thread, so I dunno if this was suggested before but it should. And to those that think this was not deserved, wake up.
Edited - Wrangler
-Namelesz
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.04.19 17:09:00 -
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Hi, as you might have noticed some posts has recently been removed from this thread. The reason is simple, we will not tolerate any form of real life threats at all. It doesn't matter if it's about law suits or something worse, it will not be discussed on the EVE Message Boards.
This is not negotiable and not up for discussion. Now, move along, nothing to see here.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.19 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 19/04/2005 17:10:08
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
In RL, GHSC would all be entertaining convicts in prison as a result of grand larceny charge, and probably wouldn't see daylight again.
Yes, after being brought to justice by law enforcement organizations, presuming I was even caught. As it stands, I'm a criminal at large, possibly anywhere in a vast frontier of wilderness space. I guess that's why RL comparisons will never work and why you're foolish to cling to them so tenaciously - Eve Online is not RL.
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The bottom line is, somewhere in a corporation there has to be a trust somewhere. Because alts can easily be created and destroyed with no trace. And because CCP is unwilling to enforce any sort of rules over the theft of objects in game, stuff like this can happen where a year's worth of work can be taken and dispersed without no means or reprisal.
The bottom line is, I am in Guiding Hand Social Club. I have not left it since making this announcement. I will be there tomorrow, and as such, am open to retribution. You keep queefing that there is no means of reprisal available to our targets, or anyone seeking to take a shot at us... what about war declarations?
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