That said, for those of you who explore, scout and/or logi, how much time did you devote getting player experience in these activities on the way to hitting level V on some of these skills or does hitting level V simply make them practical to do?

OP has officially earned the crown for:

King of Self-Entitlement and I want it All NOW NOW NOW !

With all due respect, I was trying to ask a question with quite the opposite attitude. The root question are level V's worth it? Not I want it now.

Should have added the self entitlement to my disclaimer.

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There are a scant few lvl V:s that are universally worth it.

Logistics V is one of them because of the massive bonus it provides GÇö it will frequently shift a ship from capping out in under a minute to being perfectly cap stable. Another is Drone Interfacing GÇö it's designed to effectively give you one additional drone without the bother of having to manage one more drone, and at V, you'll have the full (virtual) set of 10. Recon V is another common one because of how it frees up fitting space on force recons, but that still assumes you'll be flying those a lot.

Beyond that, it's mostly core skills and some fitting skills such as Weapon Upgrades (Advanced and normal), because of their universal applicability and because most of them are so dirt cheap that taking them to V is pretty painless.

The basic rule is that anything worth training is worth training to IV. V is for opening up new stuff and because you've got nothing better to do.

Jump Drive Calibration.

If you say so. That's one of those silly Gǣbeyond battleshipGǥ skills, and battleships are silly to begin withGǪ

GǪwell, that and for JFs and Rorqs, but pffft!

Anyway, as for the whole Gǣhow much differenceGǥ, that's pretty easy. Lvl V takes five times longer on its own than all four levels preceding it put together. For that you getGǪ

4.2% more if the bonus is 5% per level.
5.8% more if the bonus is 7.5% per level.
7.1% more if the bonus is 10% per level.
9.4% more if the bonus is 15% per level.
11% more if the bonus is 20% per level.
12.5% more if the bonus is 25% per level.

GǪso yeah.

In game terms, Jump Drive Calibration V means you spend less ISK every time you move things, be it via carrier or by JF.

The difference is in light years, which is no insignificant unit of measurement.

Jump Drive Calibration V is probably the best skill in Eve to train if you want to do logistics or capital warfare. It is also helpful for Black Ops.

So yeah, I do say so.

In game terms, Jump Drive Calibration V means you spend less ISK every time you move things, be it via carrier or by JF.

The difference is in light years, which is no insignificant unit of measurement.

Jump Drive Calibration V is probably the best skill in Eve to train if you want to do logistics or capital warfare. It is also helpful for Black Ops.

So yeah, I do say so.

That's a big 'if'. If you're not into Caps or BO, it's quite obiously one of the most useless skill to have at V.

The bonus itself is nice, but then, although having JDC V and Amarr Carrier V and BO V, I consider e.g. Recon V, Cloaking V and even Energy Emission Systems V more valuable - simply because I used to like flying recons better than my Archon and just trained BO V because I didn't have anything else to train for - and I only fly the Archon for moving base once in a while kand don't even own a BO.

There are some skills I'd consider (almost) univerally useful for a character that flies ships in Space, which are mostly support (navigation, fitting or capacitor related skills) because they're pretty much always involved when flying a ship - be it a frigate, mining barge or (lol)BS.

So unless it's a station trading or production/invention character these skills are always preferable because they're applicable to almost everything you'll ever fly.

Actually I just trained 12 mill SP of support skills to get core integrity, capacitor, navigation and fitting certificates to elite before I even bothered training any spaceship command or weapon skills at all on my latest alt.

Tippia mentioned one or two skills and intimated that there were a few others that were situational.

I obliged with a reply. JDC V. If you do JF or Carrier or Blops, you want it.

With all due respect, I was trying to ask a question with quite the opposite attitude. The root question are level V's worth it? Not I want it now.

Should have added the self entitlement to my disclaimer.

Actually, I suggested that they're all situational aside from the core skills GÇö some are just good enough to get if you find yourself in the situation in question (e.g. flying logis or recons or drone ships). JDC was left out because you go with what you know GÇö I don't particularly go with cap skills.

Anyway, the point was rather that for all the time you spend, the actual added benefit is very small and in most cases, that same time spent on support skills will provide a far larger bonus. The classic maths-only example is that instead of spending five times longer to get 4% more, you could spend it on five support skills and get 150% worth of bonuses. Granted, the way skills combine and differ from each other means it won't add up quite that neatly (that's why it's maths-only), but for illustrative purposes it's good enough. JDC, of course, is a skill that has no such cumulative support skills.

I got a real chuckle at your preface, OP. Glad to see some new players with a sense of humor and an understanding of the learning curve

its an economy of scale. the smaller and more specialist, the more it matters.

That is epic, good sir.

for probing, you want astro 5 to use 8 probes.
after that, get covops 5, makes a big difference.
the astro support skills are well worth it at 5 too but they take too long for most people to bother with.

does hitting level V simply make them practical to do?

There is a saying around here "can't patch stupid",

OP has officially earned the crown for:

King of Self-Entitlement and I want it All NOW NOW NOW !

OP said "No problem, long haul game. I'm committed to investing the time, not crying about the wait."

You said



Did you read? Can you read?

its an economy of scale. the smaller and more specialist, the more it matters.

OP has officially earned the crown for:

King of Self-Entitlement and I want it All NOW NOW NOW !

Congrats on being the first troll in. OP asked a legit question why not give legit answer?

OP, just play the game and try having fun, you are overthinking it :P

Train L5 when you want to play another game or during and after an expansion.