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Elliot Vodka School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 26	Posted - 2012.11.17 01:54:00 - [1] - Quote Wouldnt you feel that much more BA if your whole fleet were blood red raging around then suddenly got fleet warped by a bunch of holy justified butt munchers in there pure white space bugs spitting words on how your the plague of the universe!!? Augh, just got that second kind of cool feel going on as you call in fleet 2 on there sniper ships as cruisers bash through frigs the blazing hell created by clashing colors swarming one another in an seemingly infinite battle royal while actually able to visually tell that nutty solider on your starboard side is gunning you down with the might of his holy emperor!!? Perhaps a bit too optimistic but wouldnt you love that extra since of unity, that comes with having similar qualities further identifying yourself as being apart of a team? Would changeable ship colors really be that much of a load on the servers? Or is its goal just to enable limited addition ships? Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?A better question would be "Why do some people think this game is only for them?"
wingm4n Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2012.11.17 02:03:00 - [2] - Quote +1 But also Primary & Secondary colours. Hello Kitty Paint Job Here I Come!
Romvex 150	Posted - 2012.11.17 02:16:00 - [3] - Quote I would be fine with just NPC corp skins while they develop the truly customizable skins. DAMN IT CCP, WHY DON'T YOU LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS! IMPLEMENT THIS NAOW Post with your main
Elvis Fett Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly 113	Posted - 2012.11.17 02:27:00 - [4] - Quote If it were fully customizable people would abuse it. Pink fleets and polkadot fleets are immersion breaking.
Romvex 150	Posted - 2012.11.17 02:30:00 - [5] - Quote Elvis Fett wrote: If it were fully customizable people would abuse it. Pink fleets and polkadot fleets are immersion breaking. why is that immersion breaking? why in a time period where we can neurally interface with ships, clone ourselves to be immortal, turn invisible, teleport and travel faster than light can we not paint our ships? really, not being able to customize ships is immersion breaking Post with your main
MinefieldS 1 Sick Duck Standss on something 175	Posted - 2012.11.17 02:44:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah, you could paint your cape in Guild Wars back in 2004 and it's gonna be 2013 soon... That's just the oldest online game I can remember with similar functionality. No one said it was immersion breaking, it works the same way when you create your corp logo, only it's in 3D and you run around with it.
Aziesta Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now. 125	Posted - 2012.11.17 03:09:00 - [7] - Quote R&K = purple fleet CVA = gold Pirates = black/red Goons = bright pink Test = rainbow I like it, would open up propaganda opportunities as well. "Taste the rainbow" comes to mind.
Sunglasses At Midnight Concordiat Tribal Band 4	Posted - 2012.11.17 03:48:00 - [8] - Quote I think the standard argument is that not only is there no system in place for allowing the customization of ship skins, but no mechanics currently would allow having every ship rendered a unique skin without undue server stress. Maybe giving every ship in one large (1000+ account) alliance the option to get a unique skin would be better. The alliance could set ship skins, and then when the alliance gets in a fleet together all ships have that skin? That way, the game wouldn't have to render 100 different skins for a big battle, just skins for each large alliance there in fleet. I dunno, I'm just trying to think of a way that wouldn't cause immense lag.
Kordoc Death Metal Rooster 22	Posted - 2012.11.17 04:09:00 - [9] - Quote The level of trolling in the forums and the in-game chat is not enough? Now you want the ability to troll my eyes with funky colors?
Lipbite Express Hauler 224	Posted - 2012.11.17 04:14:00 - [10] - Quote First you ask for colors customization, next you'll ask for switching characters without logging out.
Angeal MacNova LankTech Adult Entertainment Alliance 34	Posted - 2012.11.17 04:20:00 - [11] - Quote MinefieldS wrote: Yeah, you could paint your cape in Guild Wars back in 2004 and it's gonna be 2013 soon... That's just the oldest online game I can remember with similar functionality. No one said it was immersion breaking, it works the same way when you create your corp logo, only it's in 3D and you run around with it. Armored Core - 1997 You could custom pain job your machine. They've also improved upon it along the series.
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 1733	Posted - 2012.11.17 04:21:00 - [12] - Quote Elliot Vodka wrote: Wouldnt you feel that much more BA if your whole fleet were blood red raging around then suddenly got fleet warped by a bunch of holy justified butt munchers in there pure white space bugs spitting words on how your the plague of the universe!!? Augh, just got that second kind of cool feel going on as you call in fleet 2 on there sniper ships as cruisers bash through frigs the blazing hell created by clashing colors swarming one another in an seemingly infinite battle royal while actually able to visually tell that nutty solider on your starboard side is gunning you down with the might of his holy emperor!!? Perhaps a bit too optimistic but wouldnt you love that extra since of unity, that comes with having similar qualities further identifying yourself as being apart of a team? Would changeable ship colors really be that much of a load on the servers? Or is its goal just to enable limited addition ships? If you fly Amarr (or just use lasers on any old boat) you can pick the color of your laser beams! It's almost just as cool. OK some people think it's actually cooler. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Baby ChuChu Ice Cream Asylum 323	Posted - 2012.11.17 04:39:00 - [13] - Quote In the future, all forms of paint are outlawed so it becomes a valuable commodity among space pirates.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H. 81	Posted - 2012.11.17 04:58:00 - [14] - Quote We don't have it because the aesthetics of the ships in EVE, is pretty much all EVE has going for it when we're talking visuals. CCP has put a lot of resources into creating distinctively different themes for the ships. At the moment they are expanding upon it by reworking and introducing more colour schemes. The ships are one of the few things CCP can work with in a space game and they are not going to compromise the integrity of that by letting people paint their ships bright pink and yellow. For every 1 fleet that would use the option like you describe it, 10000 players would paint their ships bright neon and sit at the Jita 4-4 undock. It's simply too valuable of an asset to let people "ruin" it by turning EVE ships into the new West Brit Bank, and I don't think the marketing team feels there is any reason to widen the gap between their trailers and what people will experience when they start playing either.
Kaivar Lancer Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 232	Posted - 2012.11.17 05:39:00 - [15] - Quote +1 If not base colours, at least give us a selection of skins for our ships. Maybe have 4 for each ship or something. And who cares if someone wants to paint their ship flourescent pink. EVE IS A SANDBOX.
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 1736	Posted - 2012.11.17 05:45:00 - [16] - Quote Kaivar Lancer wrote: +1 If not base colours, at least give us a selection of skins for our ships. Maybe have 4 for each ship or something. And who cares if someone wants to paint their ship flourescent pink. EVE IS A SANDBOX. Run it by the guys in graphics and see what this will do to graphics card requirements first. Honestly though, it sounds like a lot of extra resources for some namby-pamby peacocking in spaceTM. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Surfin's PlunderBunny The Python Cartel. 3547	Posted - 2012.11.17 06:29:00 - [17] - Quote Magnolia squad, you may enter the field.... "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance 191	Posted - 2012.11.17 06:35:00 - [18] - Quote Jump gate, wait to load grid and wait to download all 500 custom skins. Terrible idea. www.facebook.com/RazorAlliance
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 1740	Posted - 2012.11.17 06:51:00 - [19] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Magnolia squad, you may enter the field.... Fuscia squad, lime green squad, eggshell squad, go go go! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Beekeeper Bob Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 292	Posted - 2012.11.17 07:07:00 - [20] - Quote Aziesta wrote: R&K = purple fleet CVA = gold Pirates = black/red Goons = bright pink Test = rainbow I like it, would open up propaganda opportunities as well. "Taste the rainbow" comes to mind. Wouldn't that be "test the rainbow"? "Paranoia is the number one killer of idiots and Republicans."
Digital Messiah The Scope Gallente Federation 228	Posted - 2012.11.17 07:27:00 - [21] - Quote Star Wars Galaxies is a prime example on how being able to customize colors, on a character, isn't immersion breaking, or an impossible feat. "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 838	Posted - 2012.11.17 07:44:00 - [22] - Quote MinefieldS wrote: Yeah, you could paint your cape in Guild Wars back in 2004 and it's gonna be 2013 soon... That's just the oldest online game I can remember with similar functionality. No one said it was immersion breaking, it works the same way when you create your corp logo, only it's in 3D and you run around with it. Ultima Online had clothing and armor dye. So it pretty much goes back to the very first MMO.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H. 81	Posted - 2012.11.17 07:45:00 - [23] - Quote Kaivar Lancer wrote: EVE IS A SANDBOX. It is indeed, and as such it's all about giving your players as many options as possible *within* the setting of your game. Sandbox is not an argument to just fill your game with random stuff, and while I'm sure some people would like Second Life kinda features in EVE, it would quickly degenerate into EVE being a bad physics simulator, were the polygons that make up your avatar happen to resemble a spaceship, with spreadsheets - and not a cold harsh universe were demi-gods battle for power. Where you draw the line is obviously different from player to player, some wouldn't mind bright neon ships pew pew'ing around the universe, others wouldn't mind if ships shot lighting out of their engines while their ship model was a shark with freaking laser beams attached to its head; and others yet, would like to be able to make their POS look like giant male genitalia. As such, it's up to the Devs to draw the line they are comfortable with and feel is best for the game, and they've obviously drawn it at providing as much diversity in ships as they feel the setting of the game can support, while focusing on providing sandbox game mechanics, over sandbox visual customization. They are building WiS for that. Now I don't think CCP would mind giving us the option of choosing between a set palette of secondary colours at all, and I don't think that custom alpha colours on textures would be that big of a problem performance wise. I think it's more an issue of RoI, as some people would be happy with this kinda customization, but those who ask for it the loudest wouldn't. They want those pink sharks ;)
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 838	Posted - 2012.11.17 07:46:00 - [24] - Quote Colonel Xaven wrote: Jump gate, wait to load grid and wait to download all 500 custom skins of those ships in system. Terrible idea. Utilizing RGB colors to hue the skins of individual ships wouldn't require a whole new skin. This isn't 1994 anymore man.
Tarvos Telesto Blood Fanatics 56	Posted - 2012.11.17 10:53:00 - [25] - Quote Mutiple color schemes - camo designed by CCP yes. Random Color - camo- schemes with no restriction NO! just because EvE become **** looking space game.
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1418	Posted - 2012.11.17 10:59:00 - [26] - Quote I'm 100% that customizable ship appearance would increase subs more than WiS ever could. .
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 2671	Posted - 2012.11.17 11:02:00 - [27] - Quote Elvis Fett wrote: If it were fully customizable people would abuse it. Pink fleets and polkadot fleets are immersion breaking. Are implying the people who would do this would not do the same in real life if given the opportunity to paint spaceships they own? TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 2671	Posted - 2012.11.17 11:03:00 - [28] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: MinefieldS wrote: Yeah, you could paint your cape in Guild Wars back in 2004 and it's gonna be 2013 soon... That's just the oldest online game I can remember with similar functionality. No one said it was immersion breaking, it works the same way when you create your corp logo, only it's in 3D and you run around with it. Ultima Online had clothing and armor dye. So it pretty much goes back to the very first MMO. In before "OMG MUDS WERE MMOS LOL". (UO was the first MMO, deal with it) TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 755	Posted - 2012.11.17 11:26:00 - [29] - Quote Elvis Fett wrote: If it were fully customizable people would abuse it. Pink fleets and polkadot fleets are immersion breaking. I would go for pink, just to watch the reactions of the macho pixel hardmen. Such fun. This is not a signature.
Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops 681	Posted - 2012.11.17 11:52:00 - [30] - Quote The lack of critical thinking in this thread makes my head spin. No, I didn't read the whole lot. No, I am not going to. To answer your question, the reason we don't have custom paint jobs or even different colour options is because of increases in server load. Guild Wars didn't have 2500 man fleet fights. If it did, it would have exploded as soon as people with custom cape colours turned up. I believe CCP are working around it by making it possible to trade in your ship for a ship of a different appearance but the same stats from the NeX store. That way the grid will only have to check ship types and not the colour of each ship (because the new texture from the Nex store will be a separate ship). I'm pretty sure alternate ships skins are in the works. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Irya Boone Escadron leader 67	Posted - 2012.11.17 11:57:00 - [31] - Quote just need the color Black on my Proteus just that :) Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á
Max Doobie Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 10	Posted - 2012.11.17 11:59:00 - [32] - Quote Elvis Fett wrote: If it were fully customizable people would abuse it. Pink fleets and polkadot fleets are immersion breaking. Dude, if people can fly around in an Corp named "Ballsaximus", they should be able to fly in pink ships. "Immersion"...lol.
Keno Skir Vectis Covert Solutions 268	Posted - 2012.11.17 12:12:00 - [33] - Quote 250,000 ships all with unique paintjobs to render would add much lag and is as such a silly idea. There is already serious talk from CCP about implementing a few custom paint jobs, this is the only way to do it without possibly making things unstable. Deal with it. That's how it is. If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 104	Posted - 2012.11.17 12:24:00 - [34] - Quote Digital Messiah wrote: Star Wars Galaxies is a prime example on how being able to customize colors, on a character, isn't immersion breaking, or an impossible feat. Galaxies was also possibly the WORST Star Wars game ever. Not a great way to set an example. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 343	Posted - 2012.11.17 12:28:00 - [35] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Digital Messiah wrote: Star Wars Galaxies is a prime example on how being able to customize colors, on a character, isn't immersion breaking, or an impossible feat. Galaxies was also possibly the WORST Star Wars game ever. Not a great way to set an example. LOL .. LOL No But thinking back, I don't rmember being able to change the color of my Tie Fighter. Just my armor.
Oregin Aliastra Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2012.11.17 15:04:00 - [36] - Quote Hows about this... Every alliance selects three colours as their scheme, this can be done through the management screens or when an alliance is created. Corporation colour schemes can be based on the colours of their logos or editable through corp management. These colours automatically create a skin that is available to use on your ships or remove as you like. Perhaps give us a toggle on the fitting screen to apply or remove alliance/corp paintwork. Perhaps CCP can make a texture to overlay the original with different areas that respond to the specific colour choices. You could even give alliances or corps power to impose paintwork on their members. No chance of people making ridiculous or lewd skins but gives fleets a chance to 'fly the colours' and individuals a chance to advertise their membership to corps or alliances. No lag from server delivering custom paint jobs since all of the work can be done by the client based on a small amount of data: - Paint job applied Y/N? - Corp/Alliance Colours?
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 2671	Posted - 2012.11.17 15:14:00 - [37] - Quote What happens when TEST and Goonswarm both claim black and yellow? TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
Oopsy Bear Massively Masochistic Machos 10	Posted - 2012.11.17 15:17:00 - [38] - Quote Pohbis wrote: We don't have it because the aesthetics of the ships in EVE, is pretty much all EVE has going for it when we're talking visuals. CCP has put a lot of resources into creating distinctively different themes for the ships. At the moment they are expanding upon it by reworking and introducing more colour schemes. The ships are one of the few things CCP can work with in a space game and they are not going to compromise the integrity of that by letting people paint their ships bright pink and yellow. For every 1 fleet that would use the option like you describe it, 10000 players would paint their ships bright neon and sit at the Jita 4-4 undock. It's simply too valuable of an asset to let people "ruin" it by turning EVE ships into the new West Brit Bank, and I don't think the marketing team feels there is any reason to widen the gap between their trailers and what people will experience when they start playing either. Then they can charge a huge fee to customize a ship skin and a huge fee to repackage a ship with a customized skin.
Nylith Empyreal Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2012.11.17 15:21:00 - [39] - Quote You do realize one of the reasons we had these recent texture revamps for the ships is to support color change / logo decals right? "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here."
Johan Civire Dirty Curse inc. 187	Posted - 2012.11.17 15:50:00 - [40] - Quote No no no. If the do that we get pink ships yellow freighters whats next bunnys on the ships to. No. However corps logo on the ships = +1 for sure.
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 59	Posted - 2012.11.17 15:52:00 - [41] - Quote Nylith Empyreal wrote: You do realize one of the reasons we had these recent texture revamps for the ships is to support color change / logo decals right? Have you seen what has been made with WIS? You think CCP will deliver? Expect the worst. Red Maiden: People actually play with WiS off? Why? It's really well done, and adds an excellent layer of immersion in the game. Plus, my character's ass is out of this world and I like looking at it.
Elliot Vodka School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 31	Posted - 2012.11.17 18:05:00 - [42] - Quote Ok then ill play a little compromise here. 1. CCP only allows the change of base colors. (Plain colors, nothing extra fancy with lines and stripes and fancy giggles) 2. CCP chooses to only allow you to change to the colors they approve of. (Like the hair color options on your avatar.) 3. Either decals or a second pre set coating option to color on your ship for additional individuality. (Like... halo's second base color option, less of the second color, but in cooler places.) Result everything is just different enough to satisfy BOTH halves of community one wanting customization, the other that's seems to be extremely concerned with immersion. No additional customization beyond that point, No custom genitalia ships. Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?A better question would be "Why do some people think this game is only for them?"

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