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Katamarino	Posted - 2005.04.20 13:05:00 - [1] Proteus ship services will soon be offering ships and modules for sale at reasonable prices in an as-of-yet undisclosed area of 0.0 space. It is not claimed by any major aliance. We are interested in feedback as to which module and ship types would be of interest to people in this type of area. We have reasonable ideas ourselves, but customer input is highly valued. We shall not be exploiting the mineral or rat resources of any system we enter, in order to avoid conflict with local interests. We are also sounding out a market for repair services in deepspace areas - providing repair and resupply in systems far from stations. Please do indicate if this would be of any use. We await your feedback with anticipation. Katamarino, CEO Proteus Ship Services
Hast	Posted - 2005.04.20 13:22:00 - [2] my first thoughts are that you are going to get ganked. But thats just a feeling I got. Good luck with your buisness
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.04.20 13:32:00 - [3] Thanks for your reply, and we are definitely aware of the dangers involved. We'll be treading extremely cautiously, and hopefully people in the area will come to realise that we are a help and not an enemy. However, we do have some friends in the area, and if things do not work out we'll put it down as a lesson learnt and move on.
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2005.04.20 13:33:00 - [4] Try vigils and torps __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.04.20 13:40:00 - [5] Definitely high on our list! Along with Cap Relays, Kessies, and Rocket Launchers :)
ZeeWolf	Posted - 2005.04.20 13:43:00 - [6] Edited by: ZeeWolf on 20/04/2005 13:44:11 Are there any 0.0 areas that arent claimed by an alliance, apart from that PC-E8R?(the area thats constantly under war, but im not sure if thats even 0.0 or spelt correctly)
munchy	Posted - 2005.04.20 13:55:00 - [7] its ec-p8r =] but if you're going to start 0.0 production, AMMO AMMO AMMO, you can never have too much =] i would also recomend, incursuses, rifters, punishers, crucifiers, blackbirds, caracals, electronic warefare modules, and maybe some exotic dancers to keep the soldiers happy
AvanCade	Posted - 2005.04.20 13:56:00 - [8] Curse would be the place to make most profit, but then again most dangerous too :)
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.04.20 14:29:00 - [9] Thankyou all for the advice! I shall this evening be exploring the anticipated location in a little more depth (very carefully...) and picking a final location for production. All your suggestions have been noted and hopefully will be acted on! Now, lets start with some torps...
Harkan Ramientes	Posted - 2005.04.20 14:45:00 - [10] reasonable prices are the road to success in 0.0...
Hampstah	Posted - 2005.04.20 15:26:00 - [11] Curse and surrounding areas would make you the most money, as long as you don't have to keep replacing your own ships and implants Intereresting idea, good luck with it. ----- Beware Rodentz with Gunz
slip66	Posted - 2005.04.20 15:46:00 - [12] agreed curse it a very good place to setup a market. fair mark up will get you good volume in sales me thinks.
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.04.20 16:02:00 - [13] Thankyou for all your advice! It's most appreciated :) Looking at the map, Curse looks rather scary to try and get into at the moment but I shall certainly bear it in mind for the future!
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2005.04.20 17:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Katamarino We are interested in feedback as to which module and ship types would be of interest to people in this type of area. We have reasonable ideas ourselves, but customer input is highly valued. Katamarino, CEO Proteus Ship Services System: Roir Products: Mining barges, jugg torps, anti-matter L, cal/gal ceptors/assault frigs, proto-cloaks. Imports: Strip miners, t2 Deep Core Miners, scan probes. Value: x2 empire prices. Enjoy being a billionaire. C.H. p.s. Curse is a terrible place to sell stuff, the local population are underpaid pvp'ers who generally have 100m or less in their wallets. GW would offer you more opportunity to get high returns on your products but also is highly saturated with self-sufficient pilots and ample competition.
Fusebl0wn	Posted - 2005.04.20 17:57:00 - [15] Don't forget Warp Core Stabilizers..
siim	Posted - 2005.04.20 18:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder p.s. Curse is a terrible place to sell stuff, the local population are underpaid pvp'ers who generally have 100m or less in their wallets. GW would offer you more opportunity to get high returns on your products but also is highly saturated with self-sufficient pilots and ample competition. I'm underpayed
Hyey	Posted - 2005.04.20 21:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder p.s. Curse is a terrible place to sell stuff, the local population are underpaid pvp'ers who generally have 100m or less in their wallets. GW would offer you more opportunity to get high returns on your products but also is highly saturated with self-sufficient pilots and ample competition. Im underpayed? ~~ Hyey I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
callonious	Posted - 2005.04.20 21:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder p.s. Curse is a terrible place to sell stuff, the local population are underpaid pvp'ers who generally have 100m or less in their wallets. GW would offer you more opportunity to get high returns on your products but also is highly saturated with self-sufficient pilots and ample competition. i agree with you guys being self sufficient, but then again you doing that makes me rich and not under paid :S i mean my apoc now has a full set of modulated tachyons thanks to a generous donation from someone in U3k :).
Epofhis	Posted - 2005.04.20 21:49:00 - [19] im not poor tbh, i have a whole armada at my command, w/ a grand total of some 50 ships and most r t2 ones meening more than 25% of my ships r t2 there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
SageOfMystery	Posted - 2005.04.20 21:49:00 - [20] Edited by: SageOfMystery on 20/04/2005 21:49:30 i think the best way to find the mods to sell, is look at ship mods(player killboards) , ( on smaller ships more then bigger ones as you dont really fit a bs on the go) and sell the ship itself and the mods in the same station youll have 1 player buy a ship and mods from you just because its easy, of corse taking into considration you wont be charging 90 mil for a 1 mn mwd
Lord Draco	Posted - 2005.04.20 22:27:00 - [21] I think your best bet would be to fly somewhere in a shuttle or interceptor and find who is there a lot. The contact a member in local to see who you should contact about this. A person that provides battleships and battleship mods can definitly expect cooperation from reasonable locals.
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.04.20 22:47:00 - [22] Well, I've spent the evening flying round one system in a shuttle pursued by a bunch of pre-pubescent 'pirates' who can't even spell one word in 5 correctly. Finally escaped from there, and am now in an area that does at least seem populated by adults! Looking at the market here, almost nothing is available at all, and what is tends to be a long way away. We shall be setting up to provide in the near future from a likely station, and look forward to serving the 0.0 market very soon. Thanks again to all for the invaluable advice!
Hast	Posted - 2005.04.20 23:25:00 - [23] one thing you should take note of is that alot of alliances is not to keen on people selling mods in their stations. Reason for this is that its not only them who can dock and just get another new ship, but also their enemies
Jaisan	Posted - 2005.04.21 00:18:00 - [24] Originally by: Lord Draco I think your best bet would be to fly somewhere in a shuttle or interceptor and find who is there a lot. The contact a member in local to see who you should contact about this. A person that provides battleships and battleship mods can definitly expect cooperation from reasonable locals. Anyone found to be supplying an enemy to an alliance will also be placed onto the KOS list to that alliance. Haulers full of mods destined for enemy hands make a really nice bonus to any alliance. Just too orangey for crows.
Nebba Kenezzer	Posted - 2005.04.21 00:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Jaisan Originally by: Lord Draco I think your best bet would be to fly somewhere in a shuttle or interceptor and find who is there a lot. The contact a member in local to see who you should contact about this. A person that provides battleships and battleship mods can definitly expect cooperation from reasonable locals. Anyone found to be supplying an enemy to an alliance will also be placed onto the KOS list to that alliance. Haulers full of mods destined for enemy hands make a really nice bonus to any alliance. Can you refrain from openly flaming someone who wants to help the residents of 0.0? Seeing as how Foundation & GW is pretty much cut off from interfering in any other alliance, I don't think anyone would give a **** about your KOS list. Anti-Semitism in the Arab Media
Jaisan	Posted - 2005.04.21 00:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Originally by: Jaisan Originally by: Lord Draco I think your best bet would be to fly somewhere in a shuttle or interceptor and find who is there a lot. The contact a member in local to see who you should contact about this. A person that provides battleships and battleship mods can definitly expect cooperation from reasonable locals. Anyone found to be supplying an enemy to an alliance will also be placed onto the KOS list to that alliance. Haulers full of mods destined for enemy hands make a really nice bonus to any alliance. Can you refrain from openly flaming someone who wants to help the residents of 0.0? Seeing as how Foundation & GW is pretty much cut off from interfering in any other alliance, I don't think anyone would give a **** about your KOS list. I made a general point, which many would agree with, what's your problem ? Just too orangey for crows.
Nebba Kenezzer	Posted - 2005.04.21 05:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Jaisan Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Originally by: Jaisan Originally by: Lord Draco I think your best bet would be to fly somewhere in a shuttle or interceptor and find who is there a lot. The contact a member in local to see who you should contact about this. A person that provides battleships and battleship mods can definitly expect cooperation from reasonable locals. Anyone found to be supplying an enemy to an alliance will also be placed onto the KOS list to that alliance. Haulers full of mods destined for enemy hands make a really nice bonus to any alliance. Can you refrain from openly flaming someone who wants to help the residents of 0.0? Seeing as how Foundation & GW is pretty much cut off from interfering in any other alliance, I don't think anyone would give a **** about your KOS list. I made a general point, which many would agree with, what's your problem ? Are you the spokesperson for all the alliances in game? That's what I thought. Sit down and shut up. Anti-Semitism in the Arab Media
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.04.21 05:35:00 - [28] Edited by: Blacklight on 21/04/2005 05:37:10 Originally by: Epofhis im not poor tbh, i have a whole armada at my command, w/ a grand total of some 50 ships and most r t2 ones meening more than 25% of my ships r t2 Most actually means more than 50% in this context Low blow but had to be pointed out, my apologies! Good luck to the entrepeneurs looking to trade in 0.0, you're gonna need it I think. If you want a better and safer bet for your trade I have a couple of ideas, convo me in game if you want. Eve Blacklight Style
Liare	Posted - 2005.04.21 11:31:00 - [29] i suggest that you spend some time looking at the map, getting in contact with the locals and such. the idea is good, and i know a few people who do this for a living. (i use a empire based shipping company from time to time when i need some stuff moved/ammo delivered) be fair with your prices (nobody is going to buy something at 200% overprice willingly), talk to the locals and see if you can figure out who's who in the area can save you from quite a bit of trouble. other than that, a quick mind and some practical experience and youre all set to go. _____________________________ Ex-Coretech, We still shoot people.
Jaisan	Posted - 2005.04.21 16:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Liare i suggest that you spend some time looking at the map, getting in contact with the locals and such. the idea is good, and i know a few people who do this for a living. (i use a empire based shipping company from time to time when i need some stuff moved/ammo delivered) be fair with your prices (nobody is going to buy something at 200% overprice willingly), talk to the locals and see if you can figure out who's who in the area can save you from quite a bit of trouble. other than that, a quick mind and some practical experience and youre all set to go. Don't forget the armed escort. Just too orangey for crows.
siim	Posted - 2005.04.21 17:54:00 - [31] start selling stuff in agil... theres hasn't been antimatter S for like weeks
Oron	Posted - 2005.04.22 11:10:00 - [32] nice invention i whish you all the best. If you ever have some transport poblems conact me we can work it out :) see you outa space Oron CEO of Deep Space Business ~ risk transport & deep space exploration services ~
Death Merchant	Posted - 2005.04.22 13:48:00 - [33] Good luck, I havent seen anyone able to make an idea like this work yet but I hope youre the 1st. The most important thing to remember is to STAY AWAY FROM POLITICS OF ANY SORT. Dont work out any trade deals with alliances. (or if you do.. keep in a tight secret). I recommend almost Mercernary like neutrality. P.S. If you do come up North. Please bring enyo's and tech 2 hybrids/blasters. I hate going to empire for anything so Im sure Ill be one of your biggest customers. Also some fully kitted ships on escrow for quick action would be good idea. Hope this helps. Thank you
Saladin	Posted - 2005.04.22 13:58:00 - [34] Originally by: Lord Draco I think your best bet would be to fly somewhere in a shuttle or interceptor and find who is there a lot. The contact a member in local to see who you should contact about this. A person that provides battleships and battleship mods can definitly expect cooperation from reasonable locals. I would have to agree with LD on this one. But I will go further to say that sharing the profits can go a long way. --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003.
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.04.22 14:16:00 - [35] Hi all - I thought I would update those who are interested on my activities over the last day or so, Noob as I am. I shuttled it out to 0.0, and quickly met some fantastic, friendly people (I shan't name them to protect their privacy, unless they want to post here and say) who welcomed me into their corp channel, and quickly agreed an order for many millions of Isk worth of ammo with me. More than that, they were happy to share their advice and intelligence, and for this I am incredibly grateful! So right now I'm busy building 150,000 units of ammo, not to mentions missiles, drones and the like, ready for by wonderful benefactors! It's true that there are nice people in 0.0, even in this rather hotly fought over region :)
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.04.22 14:17:00 - [36] Edited by: Katamarino on 22/04/2005 14:19:22 I might add that I'm seeling at low market prices, not trying to rip anyone off, and hopefully this will add to the success of my tiny little corp.. Oh, and AM S to Agil...? I'm sure I can get a hauler down there soon...maybe you could let me know what else would be useful to you down there?
Sorja	Posted - 2005.04.22 15:10:00 - [37] There is a guy named 'Le Transporteur' that bring supplies to Pure Blind. He runs a pretty successful business and delivers anything but ships. His prices are high but he delivers on time. I think he builds in Empire and simply run through blocades. It's dangerous but fun, and when you have the skills, you can make 9 out of 10 trips unharmed. That's the way to go, and I'd do it for fun if I could fly a Bustard.
MrMorph	Posted - 2005.04.22 15:16:00 - [38] Originally by: Katamarino Well, I've spent the evening flying round one system in a shuttle pursued by a bunch of pre-pubescent 'pirates' who can't even spell one word in 5 correctly. Finally escaped from there, and am now in an area that does at least seem populated by adults! Looking at the market here, almost nothing is available at all, and what is tends to be a long way away. We shall be setting up to provide in the near future from a likely station, and look forward to serving the 0.0 market very soon. Thanks again to all for the invaluable advice! You visited us ? ---------------------------------------------- Trishys cookies they are !
Katamarino	Posted - 2005.04.22 15:30:00 - [39] Lol! That depends where you live, good sir
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2005.04.22 21:00:00 - [40] Originally by: siim Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder p.s. Curse is a terrible place to sell stuff, the local population are underpaid pvp'ers who generally have 100m or less in their wallets. GW would offer you more opportunity to get high returns on your products but also is highly saturated with self-sufficient pilots and ample competition. I'm underpayed Yes. Your new boss has never came to me and offered a contract. Until that happens, you're probably earning peanuts in comparison. :P
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2005.04.22 21:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Epofhis im not poor tbh, i have a whole armada at my command, w/ a grand total of some 50 ships and most r t2 ones meening more than 25% of my ships r t2 If all your ships were HACs worth about 100m each fully loaded, you're Net Worth would be about 5b. A single t2 assault bpo is worth about as much as you and fits in a shuttle. So, to re-iterate my previous point...few pvp'ers (few in this context being under 50%) have any real concept of "Market Fixing" or true "wealth building". Most pvp'ers (most in this context being over 50%) will show you no mercy if you are neutral and in 0.0 space. Under no circumstances should you show them any mercy with your market fixing, wealth building and preceived-value pricing unless they offer you +10 standings and open-ended favours. C.H.
Capt Hindgrinder	Posted - 2005.04.22 21:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Katamarino Edited by: Katamarino on 22/04/2005 14:19:22 I might add that I'm seeling at low market prices, not trying to rip anyone off, and hopefully this will add to the success of my tiny little corp.. Oh, and AM S to Agil...? I'm sure I can get a hauler down there soon...maybe you could let me know what else would be useful to you down there? Low market prices? Why bother going out to 0.0 to make LESS than you would in empire? I can totally understand a need to meet new friends for your new market, however, make no mistake aboot it, and i tell you the secret of the Golden Ratio in no uncertain terms.... "He who has the Gold, sets the ratio." Live and learn lil jr. Entrepreneur. C.H.

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