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Khel Thora
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Posted - 2005.04.20 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Khel Thora on 20/04/2005 22:21:03
 Originally by: RichThugster
If there are no logs, then how can the GMs be sure that TFC didnt receieve any sort of mail, to say that their POS was under attack.
SO if theres no log, what type of screenshots/fraps can TFC provide to show that there was no mail?
Well, maybe cause it is a documented bug that can be reproduced by everyone who sets up a POS, has it attacked by someone and doesn t get an attack notification?
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Eonov
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Posted - 2005.04.20 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Miki Fin
Edited by: Miki Fin on 20/04/2005 22:22:27
Quit whining and adapt... Oh can I have your stuff too?
Funily enough no, this thread isnt a whine, its a bad situation gone worse, as for you being a gobby git, if u feel up to the task of coming and claiming my stuff then please notify me, il be happy to oblige, if uv nothing better to say than that then please dont give the mods a better excuse to close this thread than boredom.... il await ur ingame evemail.. :)....... please.
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Nienna Valator
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Posted - 2005.04.20 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Eonov
...(straight after the hotfix l, we warp back to continue and hey presto the POS os back up at about 70% and suddenly hitting at 6 times the damage that it was before.
That is a good point. Perhaps TFC should petition CCP about how their damage mod 85+ POS guns were only hitting you guys for around 98 hp per shot for 10 hours straight. That's what sounds like the real crime here. However, I don't think TFC is too worried about the ammo they wasted, they are a manufacturing corp after all.
Oh and BTW, kudos Solstice, nothing tougher than a tough guy beating up a nerd that has no desire to really fight back. That's something to be really proud of. Tools.
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Lord Draco
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Posted - 2005.04.20 23:35:00 -
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POS are a major joke it you've ever dealt with them. Just a total joke. The spend all their time coding more ways to haul garbage 5 jumps for a 8X stack of implants to drop. GG CCP
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algorythm
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Posted - 2005.04.21 01:18:00 -
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Then again, dont atack them mate.
The POS are has the game is, an essencial piece on the puzzle of EVE for tech 2 components to be built, you can not ask CCP to remove them from game.
I dont think 10 - 20 BS should ever be able to tank and take down a fully armed POS with defenders (even if very fiew) inside the force field.
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Leno
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Posted - 2005.04.21 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: algorythm
Then again, dont atack them mate.
The POS are has the game is, an essencial piece on the puzzle of EVE for tech 2 components to be built, you can not ask CCP to remove them from game.
I dont think 10 - 20 BS should ever be able to tank and take down a fully armed POS with defenders (even if very fiew) inside the force field.
So what about the POS we attacked the other day? I certainly wouldnt call it fully armed, yet it was still shooting and doing proper dmg and we still got the shaft
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LOPEZ
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Posted - 2005.04.21 01:36:00 -
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IF POSes arent saposed to be able to die... then why bother putting guns on it at all. just make it so shields never drop. if i remeber corectly it took a masive fleet to take jove ship down or at least thats what i heard... so something put up by players should be able to be taken by players as well.. If not then what are we saposed to do mine? why even bother pvping 
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Ajaya
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Posted - 2005.04.21 01:39:00 -
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Algorythm,
The POS hit us for proper damage. It cycles targets, meaning you only need to tank for about 30 seconds at a time when it cycles to you. All turrets do this. And these guns hit a lot harder than empire guns. Empire guns hit for less than 100 dmg against a tank. Most of these hits we got were between 1000 - 4000 (some up to 8000 for wrecking). You guys couldn't do jack with your bs's inside. Your raven couldn't hit anything w/ it's torps because of our range, your tempest was a poor excuse for a long range ship, and the scorp, well, pretty worthless @ 140km range. You guys were setup poor plain and simple. We were tanked and working together with remote reps and cap transfers to keep everyone alive.
Just because you guys don't know how to tank (see: 3 TFC battleships trying to undock to help out getting bbq'd in seconds) doesn't mean that we don't. I'm sorry that your POS's don't fit the impenitrable fortresses of doom that you envision. Simple fact is, we tanked a lot of damage and did it w/ good setups, experience, and teamwork, while most of your corp hid.
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PC101
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Posted - 2005.04.21 02:16:00 -
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Pie anyone?
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Garia666
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Posted - 2005.04.21 07:38:00 -
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Signed!
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.04.21 08:47:00 -
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Stay on the topic, be respectful and do not discuss related issues.
Perhaps I need to make it more clear, if you post about corporation wars and fights you can get warned for going offtopic.
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SurVie
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Posted - 2005.04.21 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nienna Valator
Originally by: Eonov
...(straight after the hotfix l, we warp back to continue and hey presto the POS os back up at about 70% and suddenly hitting at 6 times the damage that it was before.
That is a good point. Perhaps TFC should petition CCP about how their damage mod 85+ POS guns were only hitting you guys for around 98 hp per shot for 10 hours straight. That's what sounds like the real crime here. However, I don't think TFC is too worried about the ammo they wasted, they are a manufacturing corp after all.
Oh and BTW, kudos Solstice, nothing tougher than a tough guy beating up a nerd that has no desire to really fight back. That's something to be really proud of. Tools.
If they want to mine they can always join 3rd front
About the guns: there were like 1 or 2 small batterys that were out of range for us. The medium batteries hit us (with full tanking) for around 500-800. (per hit). The large one could do hits of 2000-8000 (depending on tanking and the nature of the hit, wrecking).
The big weakness about the guns is they only hit you 2or 3 times and then cycle on to the next target. Giving the ship time to regenerate the lost armour/shield.
The third thing. We had shield and armor transferrers. They could help the rest tank.
Now last, i am still really dissapointed here. This is the 2nd time and we spend 12 hours taking down a highly armed POS and it resulted in the POS being recharged in advantage of TFC. This has been really frustrating, but we won't give up.
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Martinus Crimson
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Posted - 2005.04.21 13:51:00 -
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Indeed, Its the frustration of the Lost gametime and the wrong that was done to us those 2 nights.
Something i personally think should be posted here just to let one of the Dev take a look and realize how bad these bugs are influencing gameplay.
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Pepsi Man
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Posted - 2005.04.21 14:42:00 -
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I have read through this situation here. One thing that i would like to add is that a game is not an easy thing to program. The POS stuff is still very brand new and I am sure there are a lot of bugs. The 98q POS is mine and from what i am seeing it seems that something may have gone wrong with the defense programming. I don't fully understand the situation of why the shields went back online there. 2G was a bug but 98q was not unless the gun damage played a part in the unscheduled downtime. It was my fault that my guns were not online and i have a deep appreciation for my corp for losing ships and putting the effort into saving my rear end. As for SOINC now. I am certainly glad you attacked our stations and learned its weeknesses as now we know how to prevent attack 100%. I very much doubt that you will be able to take down or even take half the shields down ever again. This is not a challenge for you its just a thought so that you don't go losing more ships like you did that day. Your choice of course.
See You in Space
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Ajaya
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Posted - 2005.04.21 15:35:00 -
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One thing that I am concerned with is that the GM's claim they have no logs in regards to these POS's. That they can't tell if they were attacked, how much damage was done, etc. They also claim that while they can put a POS back to fully online status when it is in reinforced mode, that they then can not put a fully online POS back into reinforced mode as they simply don't have tools to do so.
With all these "bugs" I'm seeing with the POS's, a very large part of exodus, and something that is very expensive to purchase and maintain, and difficult to attack, you would think that the developers would have a better way of tracking bugs, and propper logs. Furthermore, with an issue that the GM's state is known, why do they not then accept multiple fraps and screenshots from various parties as evidence? As I see it, the likely hood of any forgeries within a period of 15 minutes of a complaint of fraps video and screen shots coming from different people is near impossible a feat, yet such things won't even be discussed as possible evidence per GM policy.
The whole system of tracking these issues with logs, and the tools and policies available to the GM's for resolving them is far from satisfactory, and in pretty poor shape IMO. At the point it is, there is no way for the GM's to provide customer's with support in regards to these types of issues either because of policy or lack of tools provided by the Devs. I think it's time CCP think long and hard about how they will allow their support staff fix the mistakes from their programming since it's obvious that their programming will never be on an acceptable level.
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Bigiboi
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Posted - 2005.04.21 15:35:00 -
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CaldariCitizen 9735
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Posted - 2005.04.21 16:14:00 -
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Submitting Bug Reports = WOT (waste of time)
Petition = WOT ( at a rate of 97% )
Sadly although Eve is indeed a great game, and still has loads of potential there are too few staffers to respond to these kinds of issues.
Stock answer from CCP affiliates *paraphrasing here* "We appreciate your input.. we'll get to it when we get to it ".
Immediate action is taken only when their revenue stream could be affected.
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rowbin hod
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Posted - 2005.04.21 16:26:00 -
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Signed with a big thick black marker pen.
This situation really is unacceptable. Yeah, fine it may only be a game, but time is real, and that's the biggest resource that anyone who takes part in an endeavour like this gives up. For a GM to dismiss so out of hand 100+ man hours of work is really really unprofessional.
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Sabadagus
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Posted - 2005.04.21 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sabadagus on 21/04/2005 16:39:00
Well, look at that....
TFC bragging about how they have now learned to protect theyre bases better. And this learning experinece did not cost them 2 POS like it should have, it only cost them a few rounds of ammo, because CCP is holding therye hand.
Talk about adding insult to injury.
How fair is this to us that spent hours of work planing and executing a perfect millitary operation and working as a team to take a POS down. We did everything rigth. Even let the GMs and TFC know BEFOREHAND that we were taking the POS down, just to make sure we wouldn not be f***** over. We camped nearby npc statins, we camped gates. We have NOTHING to show for that effort. TFC gets to keep theyre base and the GMs p*** all over us and all the screenshots, fraps, logs that we can present to proof our case.
All petions regarding destroyed/attacked POS have been in the favor of the POS owner.
POS owners
Didnt get Eve mail.....new POS
Gun didnt work......new POS
Ice used up quicker than expected.....new POS
POS going off line for no reason....new POS
Attackers
POS magically gets all the shields back.......tough
Guns magically hit like the ships dont have any resistance......tough
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CaldariCitizen 9735
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Posted - 2005.04.21 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: rowbin hod
Signed with a big thick black marker pen.
This situation really is unacceptable. Yeah, fine it may only be a game, but time is real, and that's the biggest resource that anyone who takes part in an endeavour like this gives up. For a GM to dismiss so out of hand 100+ man hours of work is really really unprofessional.
But according to the other "Corp Theft" thread the concensus is "it's just a game and the time you spent aquiring goods or acheiving a goal is irrelevant?"
I'm not decrying your post M8.. just pointing out that CCP should make sure to keep a consistent stance on their gameplay.
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Dol Amroth
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Posted - 2005.04.21 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dol Amroth on 21/04/2005 18:28:56
Perhaps the argument will hold true that the time invested is of little to no consequence to CCP, I although not in agreement, can comply to it. What should be done as was in the prior instance is a reimbursement of spent ammo, ships and equipment lost. It isn't about what side gains or looses from this occurance, it should be about the fairness in how GMs handle and acknowledge their non-compliance of the issue. If arrangements are made and all is done as asked (EVE-mails sent to the handling GM and to the POS owner and his corporation) and to still experince the same result, it goes beyond being disheartening. It is outright underhanded and absolutely intolerant to the gaming environment provided's fairness.
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Dee sNider
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Posted - 2005.04.21 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Dee sNider on 21/04/2005 23:34:49
Edited by: Dee sNider on 21/04/2005 23:33:59
Hmmmmmmm. Still no response from a GM in game or on forum.
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/me twiddles his thumbs.
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SurVie
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Posted - 2005.04.22 08:58:00 -
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well i'm just replying here to keep the topic alive. Just so other corporations/alliance don't run into the shame thing that we went through. Believe me it's frustrating. 
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watahero
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Posted - 2005.04.22 10:39:00 -
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alot of hours lost, alot of ammo lost, few ships destroyed thats beside the frustration caused to alot of players involved in this and still no word about it yet
tea and biscuits anyone while we wait on jury's decision about this 
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Sabadagus
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Posted - 2005.04.22 12:18:00 -
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If this wont be corrected, what are the implications?
Any time a group of people start taking out a POS, they will be thinking,
"Should we bother trying? Wont the GMs not just wipe out all our work anyway?"
Sab
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Maud
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Posted - 2005.04.22 13:09:00 -
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Sigh .....
A lot of frustrated people.
But on reading through the issue seems to be the somewhat familiar one of a consistent and fair policy from CCP about this type of occurance. Somthing I feel both the Eve community and the CCP GMs could use to referance and quote from.
Somthing of a list of examples to solve cases such as these quickly and not to give people false hope or expectations over the resolution.
Things like this have happend in the past and all ships were returned to all parties, The time cannot be easily recompensed in situations like this and may have to be taken as a loss.
NB. (I am not involved in this isssue personally but do know Both sides and can like many see the injustice here)
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Wicke
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Posted - 2005.04.22 16:46:00 -
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Hi Maud. 
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Ajaya
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Posted - 2005.04.23 13:16:00 -
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Still waiting for answer to petition about this one...
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Kingpenn
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Posted - 2005.04.23 13:36:00 -
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gankers, griefers, and pie-rats sure whine when they find that their choosen career means that life will not be fair or easy for them...
here, have a towel, cry some more.
now suck it up, dry your tears, and get back to being the bad guy you chose to be, and don't expect the criminal life to be easy anymore...(geeez)
if the tables were turned, you wouldn't complain now would you?
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Space Defiler
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Posted - 2005.04.24 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kingpenn
gankers, griefers, and pie-rats sure whine when they find that their choosen career means that life will not be fair or easy for them...
here, have a towel, cry some more.
now suck it up, dry your tears, and get back to being the bad guy you chose to be, and don't expect the criminal life to be easy anymore...(geeez)
if the tables were turned, you wouldn't complain now would you?
whine? did you atleast take the time to read what this post about? gankers,griefers in .0?let me help you here... its about broken content,bugs, no help ingame to solve these problems, beside the fact that petition button is broken unless ur a pos owner
oh maybe i should quote some of what mod said at top of this page
Originally by: Eris Discordia
Stay on the topic
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