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Vito Tattaglia New Paradigm Inc. 48	Posted - 2012.11.18 00:26:00 - [1] - Quote Getting sick of carebear life in hi-sec, wanted to try some PvP. I'm almost done getting Small Projectile Weapons up to 5 so I can use Level 2 turrets, but will I really be able to get a fair fight in a small frigate? Or will I come across a 0.0 gate camp and get annihilated by a few cruisers or a BS?
illirdor The Grey Eagle Society 28	Posted - 2012.11.18 00:29:00 - [2] - Quote Vito Tattaglia wrote: Level 2 turrets Heh. XD but if you want t1 frig fights then join RVB :) Come to Amamake... The universal answer to everything...
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 206	Posted - 2012.11.18 00:29:00 - [3] - Quote Vito Tattaglia wrote: Getting sick of carebear life in hi-sec, wanted to try some PvP. I'm almost done getting Small Projectile Weapons up to 5 so I can use Level 2 turrets, but will I really be able to get a fair fight in a small frigate? Or will I come across a 0.0 gate camp and get annihilated by a few cruisers or a BS? No, use a TD armor slasher or a thrasher. The Rifter is terrible. illirdor wrote: Vito Tattaglia wrote: Level 2 turrets Heh. XD but if you want t1 frig fights then join RVB :) Or just go to FW lowsec, its swarming in frigs.
Vito Tattaglia New Paradigm Inc. 48	Posted - 2012.11.18 00:44:00 - [4] - Quote Garviel Tarrant wrote: Vito Tattaglia wrote: Getting sick of carebear life in hi-sec, wanted to try some PvP. I'm almost done getting Small Projectile Weapons up to 5 so I can use Level 2 turrets, but will I really be able to get a fair fight in a small frigate? Or will I come across a 0.0 gate camp and get annihilated by a few cruisers or a BS? No, use a TD armor slasher or a thrasher. The Rifter is terrible. illirdor wrote: Vito Tattaglia wrote: Level 2 turrets Heh. XD but if you want t1 frig fights then join RVB :) Or just go to FW lowsec, its swarming in frigs. Alright, so I got a semi decent Tharsher fit to run as soon as AutoCannon Specialization is done. Any particular way to fly this? Other than activate boosters, damage control, all weapons, energy neut and orbit at optimal range?
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 200	Posted - 2012.11.18 01:22:00 - [5] - Quote Define 'semi decent Thrasher fit'. Star Jump Drive
Paikis Vapour Holdings 264	Posted - 2012.11.18 01:50:00 - [6] - Quote Do yourself a favour; join the R-V-B channel in-game and ask them. You might also want to consider joining. You can have a lot of fun in frigate brawls.
Akuma Tsukai 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2012.11.18 02:40:00 - [7] - Quote Vito Tattaglia wrote: Alright, so I got a semi decent Tharsher fit to run as soon as AutoCannon Specialization is done. Any particular way to fly this? Other than activate boosters, damage control, all weapons, energy neut and orbit at optimal range? If you follow that you will die under 10 secs. As others before me i advise going to RVB or FW (its cruel self study in the second variant).
Aralieus Shadowbane Syndicate 21	Posted - 2012.11.18 02:54:00 - [8] - Quote Vito Tattaglia wrote: Getting sick of carebear life in hi-sec, wanted to try some PvP. I'm almost done getting Small Projectile Weapons up to 5 so I can use Level 2 turrets, but will I really be able to get a fair fight in a small frigate? Or will I come across a 0.0 gate camp and get annihilated by a few cruisers or a BS? Hook up with a few other FOTM guys who chase for minmatar faggotry and frig :quickfites: and they can school you on the details... Protip: look at killboards before you commit to anything Oderint Dum Metuant
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 206	Posted - 2012.11.18 03:58:00 - [9] - Quote Fine.. you can go RvB Just don't get stuck there...

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 19	Posted - 2012.11.18 04:06:00 - [10] - Quote Vito Tattaglia wrote: Getting sick of carebear life in hi-sec, wanted to try some PvP. I'm almost done getting Small Projectile Weapons up to 5 so I can use Level 2 turrets, but will I really be able to get a fair fight in a small frigate? Or will I come across a 0.0 gate camp and get annihilated by a few cruisers or a BS? Sure, you will get experience, but a lot of it will be exploding. Just make sure you learn something new every time you do explode. Pro tip: finding a corp (or other group of friends) to fly together with instead of solo both reduces your chances of dying horribly, and increases your chances of learning useful things more quickly. ISD LackOfFaith Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department


Vito Tattaglia New Paradigm Inc. 48	Posted - 2012.11.18 05:53:00 - [11] - Quote Val'Dore wrote: Define 'semi decent Thrasher fit'. This is the fit I had in mind: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/58888-Space-Jew-039-s-Thrasher.html OR, for those of you who can't into links: Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Medium Shield Extender II J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Most likely will get rid of the rigs just because if I plan on exploding every hour or so, I don't want to lose 10 million every time.
Alara IonStorm 3492	Posted - 2012.11.18 06:35:00 - [12] - Quote That is good. I usually go 3 CDFE, with the higher base Armor resists the EM resist is as high as thermal without the rig. More likely to run into Merlins, Incursus spewing Kin Therm and Projectile Ships running PP and Warrior / Hammerhead Drones. Even Amarr EM Ships do Therm Dmg so the EM hole not as big a deal to a Thrasher especially with the base Armor Resists. Another thing I like to use to trip people up. [Thrasher, Backwards] 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Damage Control II Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Stasis Webifier II 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Slow as nails 1400m/s but no one expects to be webbed, helps apply real DPS to Frigs especially to AB Ships. Sometimes I throw on a Dmg Rig.
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 946	Posted - 2012.11.18 14:48:00 - [13] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: That is good. I usually go 3 CDFE, with the higher base Armor resists the EM resist is as high as thermal without the rig. More likely to run into Merlins, Incursus spewing Kin Therm and Projectile Ships running PP and Warrior / Hammerhead Drones. Even Amarr EM Ships do Therm Dmg so the EM hole not as big a deal to a Thrasher especially with the base Armor Resists. Another thing I like to use to trip people up. [Thrasher, Backwards] 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Damage Control II Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Stasis Webifier II 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Slow as nails 1400m/s but no one expects to be webbed, helps apply real DPS to Frigs especially to AB Ships. Sometimes I throw on a Dmg Rig. This is an awesome fit. Or Op can just slap sebos and 280's, faction ammo nano+mwd, about 2k speed is more than it's needed to gtfo, a very nice tracking and alpha for pods and one shot frigs (except t2 ones unless badly fitted) brb
Ava Starfire Gradient Electus Matari 453	Posted - 2012.11.18 14:50:00 - [14] - Quote 1st; Yes, you certainly can. I fly Rifters all the time, and I do very well in them. The Rifter can still fight every other T1 frig in the game (rail Ishkurs and Merlins can be a pain, but arent impossible) and many interceptors; the Taranis, in particular, if dual prop fit, is rifter fodder. Dessies are best left alone, but I have killed a few, as well as cruisers, BCs, and the like in a regular old Rifter. The Rifter just requires a bit more intelligence to fly well; it isnt simply heat all, orbit at 500, pew. 2nd; RvB is good advice. Join "the Autocannon" which is the channel of the Black Rebel Rifter Club, and you can get advice there from some simply outstanding frig pilots. There is an entire subculture within EVE of solo frigate pilots, almost all of whom got our start in the Rifter, and many of us who still fly it, because it's just a lot of fun. The Slasher, Incursus, Tormentor, Merlin, Kestrel, Condor, Atron, all are viable solo frigates now, and a few more will be added to that list shortly with the update. 3rd; Destroyers are great fun and cheap. Dont hesitate to buy one and head off for losec or null. A 6m isk thrasher can kill a 50m isk assault frigate, simply because a lot of AF pilots are pretty bad. Like, bad. 4th; Look up the combat record for Sid Afraldir. He's a good friend of mine, and he began flying rifters (and killing things) when he was 3 days old in EVE, and if i recall correctly, his 1st kill was a Thrasher. I made an alt once and did a similar thing, throwing it into RvB just to see if a brand new character was actually viable in pvp. The answer is yes. Go kill things.
Vito Tattaglia New Paradigm Inc. 48	Posted - 2012.11.19 02:46:00 - [15] - Quote Well, I just popped my cherry. First kill I got in low sec, completely forgot about the security and gate turrets. One thrasher and .4 of my security status later, I'm back in another one. This time I head to null sec. Find a decent spot, Crow warps in, I lock and scramble, orbit at 5 km. Take him out, but not before two other guys show up and kill me. I gotta say, after living a life entirely focused around industry and missioning, this feels SO good.

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 20	Posted - 2012.11.19 04:11:00 - [16] - Quote Vito Tattaglia wrote: I gotta say, after living a life entirely focused around industry and missioning, this feels SO good. Not the first time I've heard this. Rock on! ISD LackOfFaith Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Goldensaver Vorbild Industries Inc. 98	Posted - 2012.11.19 07:39:00 - [17] - Quote Vito Tattaglia wrote: Well, I just popped my cherry. First kill I got in low sec, completely forgot about the security and gate turrets. One thrasher and .4 of my security status later, I'm back in another one. This time I head to null sec. Find a decent spot, Crow warps in, I lock and scramble, orbit at 5 km. Take him out, but not before two other guys show up and kill me. I gotta say, after living a life entirely focused around industry and missioning, this feels SO good. It feels so good, I know it exactly. Now one thing you should know before dropping everything to move to low/null to blow things up: make a supply chain/alt character. PvP is fun, but it costs money. You WILL lose ships, and probably lose them often. Make sure you can pay for nice things for a long time. I made that mistake, and had to move back out because I was just losing money faster than I could bring it in on loot and LP (kills just aren't worth much).
Maeltstome Imperium Technologies Get Off My Lawn 122	Posted - 2012.11.19 13:06:00 - [18] - Quote most frig fights are decided by the pilot who has the b*lls to turn on all their guns and hit approach first, regardless of fitting. After a while you will notice this doesn't work against all pilots and start to realise slight changes to your strategy based on opponents fit and experience. This is how you finese your PVP skills. Start simple -> build experience -> be pro
Gibbo3771 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 251	Posted - 2012.11.19 17:20:00 - [19] - Quote Quote: The Rifter is terrible. Never, ever, ever have I even remotely thought about seeing those 2 words used in the same sentence. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country.
Casirio DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale. 136	Posted - 2012.11.19 17:45:00 - [20] - Quote in 1v1 frig fights overheat the **** out of everything. pro tip for the day

Alex Carmel The Nyan Cat Pirates Nyanpire 4	Posted - 2012.11.19 18:21:00 - [21] - Quote Casirio wrote: in frig fights overheat the **** out of everything. pro tip for the day Fixed it for you. Doesn't matter if it's 1v1 or not. Split the tackle from the blob, overheat everything, kill the tackle, try to get out. Lather, rinse, repeat. Nothing beats T1 frigs for shear adrenalin because everything goes so fast.
Goldensaver Vorbild Industries Inc. 98	Posted - 2012.11.19 19:23:00 - [22] - Quote Alex Carmel wrote: Casirio wrote: in frig fights overheat the **** out of everything. pro tip for the day Fixed it for you. Doesn't matter if it's 1v1 or not. Split the tackle from the blob, overheat everything, kill the tackle, try to get out. Lather, rinse, repeat. Nothing beats T1 frigs for shear adrenalin because everything goes so fast. Yup, I love it. Beautiful thing about frig fights, that. You'll rarely live long enough to see your guns overheat.

ISD Suvetar ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1077	Posted - 2012.11.20 01:38:00 - [23] - Quote Deleted a personal attack. ISD Suvetar,-áCaptain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department We are hiring!

Ronha Ottrit Black Merchants 0	Posted - 2012.11.20 02:00:00 - [24] - Quote Don't forget your gunny support skills! But sounds like you've had some success, rock on bro! Maybe I'll get some courage to stop mining and spill some pod goo!
W0lf Crendraven The Tuskers 17	Posted - 2012.11.20 02:19:00 - [25] - Quote Gibbo3771 wrote: Quote: The Rifter is terrible. Never, ever, ever have I even remotely thought about seeing those 2 words used in the same sentence. It is so, its by far the worst combat frigate out there, and ofter the winter expansion it will most likely be the worst frigate which is desgigned for combat (atm the breacher/kestrel/tristan/tormentor are a bit worse/equal)! For example just loook at the atron (not even the incursus) it better at almost every stat it has, more dps/range... it just cant select damagetypes! ANd merlins incursuses outclass it really really bad! The rifter sucks! (thrasher rules tho, but people who slap sebos on them should be burned)
Taoist Dragon Forced Penetration 72	Posted - 2012.11.20 02:27:00 - [26] - Quote Hmm.....rifter is bad eh? That's why I still kill Merlins and Thrashers in mine? Rifter is not bad. It does everything it used to. It's just that the other combat frigs have been brought up and are on par with it now. For every rifter fit I can get a 'better' fit with on of the other combat frigs. but none of the other combat frigs can do all of it to the same ability. No the rifter is not the I win button of frig pvp anymore. and frig pvp is better off for it but the rifter is still a viable combat frig and well work getting into as it will teach you more of total pvp than most other combat frigs that are built more specialised then it. I like rifters That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything. I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer!
Risien Drogonne Aliastra Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2012.11.20 03:52:00 - [27] - Quote W0lf Crendraven wrote: It is so, its by far the worst combat frigate out there, and ofter the winter expansion it will most likely be the worst frigate which is desgigned for combat (atm the breacher/kestrel/tristan/tormentor are a bit worse/equal)! For example just loook at the atron (not even the incursus) it better at almost every stat it has, more dps/range... it just cant select damagetypes! ANd merlins incursuses outclass it really really bad! The rifter sucks! (thrasher rules tho, but people who slap sebos on them should be burned) I can't wait to get my hands on a new Tristan with its full flight of light drones. /drool
Rick Rymes Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 3	Posted - 2012.11.23 08:07:00 - [28] - Quote The Rifter is not bad, it is just unspecified into a role like the others. And the role it is trying to fill is filled up by all four attack frigs. In other words the "Jack of all trades" type of ships and fits are no longer top dog, its the ships with a niche that are good now. Since the Breacher looks set to become the minmatar brawler, i for one wold like the Rifter to become an arty platform, along with the other more ranged combat frigs. Also join RvB, we will have you all comfy shooting blinkies in no time ;)
Rick Rymes Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 3	Posted - 2012.11.23 08:10:00 - [29] - Quote W0lf Crendraven wrote: I can't wait to get my hands on a new Tristan with its full flight of light drones. /drool I know dat feel bro
W0lf Crendraven The Tuskers 17	Posted - 2012.11.23 12:12:00 - [30] - Quote Rick Rymes wrote: The Rifter is not bad, it is just unspecified into a role like the others. And the role it is trying to fill is filled up by all four attack frigs. In other words the "Jack of all trades" type of ships and fits are no longer top dog, its the ships with a niche that are good now. No it isnt, its not even the best jack of all trades anymore, atron for example get a better armoe tank with repper, a better shield tank, a better ktiing ability, more dps, more speed, more agility. Its pure bad now!



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