... faster warp acceleration/deceleration rates for smaller ships.

Gate-cloak delay on local, more warp disrupting rat spawns, and faster warp acceleration/deceleration rates for smaller ships.

I agree with this. With the elaboration on gate-cloak delay only lasting as long as your cloak holds, as soon as you initiate warp you appear in local. Hunting ratters is fun now but making too much of a delay would take the sport out of it.

Hey, I said it first :colbert:

Lets be honest, removing it in K-Space is a dumb idea...

However, lets Pause it to where you don't show up in it until after you break your gate cloak. This way I can enter a system, do a system scan + a couple D-Scans before the roaches scatter to their safe spots.

I agree that nobody can agree on it.

But how is it dumb to remove it? I literally don't know of any MMO where a feature like local ever existed. Honestly. Was there a single MMO, no matter how carebear, that immediately alerted you when hostiles (or even neutrals) came within light years of you? No. Not even WoW, the carebeariest of carebear MMOs, where if you fart there are fireworks and you get 12 achievements and a pony, even that game doesn't have local - you can only see friendlies, and only if you run a manual search.

And local is in a game where D-Scan is manual? Where probing is manual? But local is passive and warns a second or two before the ship actually enters the system? That's absurd.

I do agree that IF local is removed, some things will need to change. For instance, D-Scan will have to be updated/overhauled to...well...not suck. But local has to go. I firmly believe EVE would be a much better games if local was gone, and gate mechanics were to change to prevent serious camping.



That would help, but wouldn't solve the problem. It has to go, plain and simple. The more I play, the more convinced of it I become. It is one of the largest single detrimental factors to EVE PvP, IMHO.

If they got rid of local how would I smack talk in local?

The least skilled EVE players, who happen to all hide in WHs, can tell you that talking in local is the only way to make you appear in local.

Fixed that for you.

This is new.

... go on.

The most skilled EVE players, who happen to all live in WHs, can tell you that talking in local is the only way to make you appear in local.

Hi friend.

You put a lot of words down without considering the opposite.

The problem would become threadnaughts about how lazy PVP'ers can't find fights because there's no quick intel tool to find people in systems.

So, thanks for your post, but it's a dumb idea to remove it.

Its pretty self-explanatory, but it means the scouting frigate can get to the target faster after the local-gatecloak drops, and cuts down the response time that a ratter has between seeing the hostile in local and getting tackled. Combined with the other two changes it increases the chances of the inattentive, careless or unlucky ratter getting caught, but still means alert ratters who take sensible precautions can still operate in nullsec without dying every two minutes.

To be honest everything accelerating and decelerating at the same rate in warp is pretty dumb and should be fixed anyway, it just happens to have other applications in balancing things like this.

You mean the skilled players who don't have to worry about a frigate, who can warped cloaked with a cyno attached to it who has a fleet he's in on a titan a region away right?

Have you considered that perhaps the reason it is hard to find fights in PvP is because of local? It's a sword that cuts both ways. If local were removed, there'd be no intel, but it would be going both ways - no intel for both aggressors and the prey. An ambush would be a whole lot easier to set up. Escaping an ambush would be a whole lot harder. And so on.

Further, if the gate mechanics were changed to not provide a choke point, perhaps we'd see more people going into low or null. Because the reason most avoid it, especially newer players, is gate camps. You jump through a gate into low/null, get popped at the gate. OK, you do it a few times more, and it happens again. What do you do? You quit the game. I've seen it. Gate mechanics, and local, are really nothing more than a form of spawn camping, and most games strive to avoid it. Can it be avoided in EVE? Yep. Is it easy to avoid? Nope.

I don't think anyone is advocating removing local and that's it, no more changes. But if you combine removing local with an overhaul to D-Scan, some tweaks to probing and perhaps some other tweaks, it could be a positive game-changer. Or, we can just sit back and watch the game stagnate like it has for almost a decade now.

The biggest argument for removing local though? It's already de facto removed in WH space. And yet, it works. There are people in WHs, they own structures, there's entire alliances living there. And they're doing it just fine without local. Sure there's mass restrictions and other issues, but like I said, removing local can't be a singular change, it has to be a comprehensive set of changes to the whole thing.

Having said that, no, I don't believe it'll ever happen. Because despite all the talk, EVE is designed in a certain way, for certain people, encouraging a certain playstyle. Which is why it never really took off, despite having stunning graphics and some very interesting mechanics and loads of lore.

oooh cyno's are scary.

The only reason you're so afraid of them, and they're used in such a way, is because they can suddenly bring more people into a system you thought was less populated because of local. If there was no local, there would be less need for that.

As long as WHs don't have local, and 0.0 does, WHs will be regarded as the place that takes more skill to live in.

If 0.0 dwellers are fine with that, then i don't see any problem.

I'm usually the person on the other side of the cyno good sir.

Well imagine not having to bother with a cyno, because people can just wait in the same system and not appear in local.

Well imagine not having to bother with a cyno, because people can just wait in the same system and not appear in local.

The biggest argument for removing local though? It's already de facto removed in WH space.