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Thomas Orca Zero Fun Allowed 117	Posted - 2012.11.18 17:43:00 - [31] - Quote No local works in wormholes because even without local if you die in a wormhole you are bad.
Rordan D'Kherr Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 210	Posted - 2012.11.18 17:43:00 - [32] - Quote Andski wrote: Bane Necran wrote: As long as WHs don't have local, and 0.0 does, WHs will be regarded as the place that takes more skill to live in. If 0.0 dwellers are fine with that, then i don't see any problem. wormholes have 1/4th the population of nullsec and 1/20th the PvP keep chestbeating l0l (you live in hisec anyway, nobody cares) I like facts and figures. They break weird perceptions and stuff. Thanks. _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Bane Necran Appono Astos 730	Posted - 2012.11.18 17:44:00 - [33] - Quote Andski wrote: imagine not having hisec miners try to tell nullsec FCs how 0.0 combat works I'm starting to think you're just a bot who pays no attention to the current subject and just follows people, trying the same Ad Hominem attacks over and over on them. But to humor you, I was cruising around 0.0 when you and the goons were still playing Age of Conan or something. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
BuckStrider Nano-Tech Experiments 86	Posted - 2012.11.18 17:51:00 - [34] - Quote Andski wrote: Bane Necran wrote: As long as WHs don't have local, and 0.0 does, WHs will be regarded as the place that takes more skill to live in. If 0.0 dwellers are fine with that, then i don't see any problem. wormholes have 1/4th the population of nullsec and 1/20th the PvP keep chestbeating l0l (you live in hisec anyway, nobody cares) Oh look, now GoonSwarm is an expert on WH population and pvp. Not so long ago your 'Dear Leader' didn't even know that there were Grav sites with asteroids in WH. wipes tear They grow up so fast...
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 201	Posted - 2012.11.18 17:58:00 - [35] - Quote Zagdul wrote: Bane Necran wrote: Zagdul wrote: I'm usually the person on the other side of the cyno good sir. Well imagine not having to bother with a cyno, because people can just wait in the same system and not appear in local. I'm sorry, but going out on a casual ~couple hour~ roam with some friends to find goodfites would suck without a way to determine how many dudes are in space. There's no way in hell I'm going to spend the time to go into each system for 20-30 jumps a night without a least something that gives me some kind of idea where potential prey are. You do know that the map does all that for you... even better than Local does... at least I hope you do. Star Jump Drive
Nyancat Audeles Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:01:00 - [36] - Quote Honestly, removing local is stupid. If you're so adamant that you will only play EVE if local is removed, then go to a wormhole. Local is a feature of not living in w-space. If you feel so strongly about local, good for you, that's why there are wormholes. Everyone advocating removing local just wants to have an easier time buffing their killboard without actually having to do work. Cloak delay in local seems alright, but it might mess with gate PvP. Unless they make it so D-Scan has a range of 100 AU, tells me where ships are, and tells me the name of the pilots on scan, while scanning cloaky ships - no removing local.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1777	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:08:00 - [37] - Quote Nyancat Audeles wrote: Cloak delay in local seems alright, but it might mess with gate PvP. But then people would be surprised when suddenly two CFC fleets uncloak on the gate and ... those evil blobbers. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 201	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:13:00 - [38] - Quote Nyancat Audeles wrote: Honestly, removing local is stupid. If you're so adamant that you will only play EVE if local is removed, then go to a wormhole. Local is a feature of not living in w-space. If you feel so strongly about local, good for you, that's why there are wormholes. W-Space not having immediate Local was just another CCP cop out on actually fixing something. Sort of like WTZ and other easy mode changes they made due to the mewling masses. Quote: Everyone advocating removing local just wants to have an easier time buffing their killboard without actually having to do work. I've been against Local and Killmails since 2004. Quote: Unless they make it so D-Scan has a range of 100 AU, tells me where ships are, and tells me the name of the pilots on scan, while scanning cloaky ships - no removing local. You just made a better argument against Local than anyone else has. If D-Scan would have to be buffed that much to be an adequate replacement for Local... then Local is far too powerful. Your own words support my position. Star Jump Drive
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 1107	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:16:00 - [39] - Quote Val'Dore wrote: [quote=Nyancat Audeles] You just made a better argument against Local than anyone else has. If D-Scan would have to be buffed that much to be an adequate replacement for Local... then Local is far too powerful. Your own words support my position. The problem is that your position requires CCP to invest man-hours into a system that currently functions to change. A system that in order to work without, you'd need a new one that isn't bugged. Look how the new inventory worked out. Dual Pane idea: Click! CCP Please Implement
Thomas Orca Zero Fun Allowed 117	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:17:00 - [40] - Quote Val'Dore wrote: I've been against Local and Killmails since 2004. So basically, you hate PvP?
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 1107	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:18:00 - [41] - Quote Thomas Orca wrote: Val'Dore wrote: I've been against Local and Killmails since 2004. So basically, you hate PvP? No, he's just against it. Dual Pane idea: Click! CCP Please Implement
Sheynan Lighting the blight 133	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:22:00 - [42] - Quote Instant cynos and a terrible dscan are the features that leave us with local intel in the way it is now, if we want it or not. That said, removing gate-cloaks is a good start and it would be interesting to see how it would turn out.
Thomas Orca Zero Fun Allowed 117	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:24:00 - [43] - Quote I don't get why everyone hates on the current D-scan. It's ******* baller. My only complaint is that it doesn't auto-refresh so I have to spam the scan button.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1778	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:24:00 - [44] - Quote Sheynan wrote: Instant cynos and a terrible dscan are the features that leave us with local intel in the way it is now, if we want it or not. That said, removing gate-cloaks is a good start and it would be interesting to see how it would turn out. It would be interesting if gates no longer cloaked you. Interesting for the campers, anyway. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Sheynan Lighting the blight 133	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:27:00 - [45] - Quote ***, that sentence missed the most important words from local*
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H. 83	Posted - 2012.11.18 18:58:00 - [46] - Quote I really wish CCP would just turn off local in 0.0 for 14 days so people could see the effects on 0.0 PvP Come on CCP, just flip the switch like bacon. We can always go back after 14 days, in fact, most will probably beg for it.
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 202	Posted - 2012.11.18 19:01:00 - [47] - Quote Zagdul wrote: Val'Dore wrote: You just made a better argument against Local than anyone else has. If D-Scan would have to be buffed that much to be an adequate replacement for Local... then Local is far too powerful. Your own words support my position. The problem is that your position requires CCP to invest man-hours into a system that currently functions to change. A system that in order to work without you'd need a new one that isn't bugged. Look how the new inventory worked out. Well, sort of. The actual Local change is cake easy. But bringing in a better D-Scan is the tricky part. While D-Scan as is isn't terrible, it is not intuitive. I've suggested before that the old radar coupled with the new... well current D-Scan would work fine. Make the range you can scan out to based on three factors: Ship Sensor Strength Scan Aperture Focus D-Scan would be a manually adjustable, but autonomous ship system. As an example, you could direct the scanner at the only stargate in system, which happens to be 100 AU away. So you tighten the SAF to say, 5 degrees, which yields a much longer scan range than say, 90 degrees. But to reach 100 AU, you might have to use an ECCM to boost the Sensor Strength of the ship. I suggest something akin to this: Each point of sensor strength on a given ship is equal to 1 AU base scan range with the scanner set to a 360 degree sphere. So for example, we will use the Raven: 22 Base Gravimetric Sensor Strength = 22 AU base scan range If we use the current D-Scan focus settings: 360, 180, 90, 60, 30, 15, 5 Scan range increases proportional to the tightness of the focus: 360 = 1x 180 = 1.5x 090 = 2x 060 = 2.25x 030 = 2.75x 015 = 3x 005 = 4x So a naked Raven with max focus can scan as far as 88 AU Now a sphere scanner with 22 AU range is probably going to work for most players, so here is the other boot: Scan Resolution and Passive Scanning. A ship's Scan Resolution will determine at what rate the ship can emit a sensor pulse and what effect on the scan results that pulse will have. For each 100 Scan Resolution your ship will lose 1 second on Scan Pulse activation delay, which has a base of 10 seconds. The cap is 1000 Scan Resolution, more won't help you scan faster. So with that Raven, which has 106.25 Scan Resolution. The 10 second base pulse is reduced by 1.0625 seconds to 8.9375 Seconds. A Sensor Booster II with Scan Resolution Script would make that: 170 SR and 8.3 seconds. Now for passive scanning, this is the part that will make things really interesting. Passive Scanning relies entirely on seeing the Scan Pulses from other ships. Your own Scan Range has no effect on whether you can see a ping from another ship. Passive Scanning does not hide you, but it does allow you to let other players reveal themselves for you rather than you going through the effort of actively scanning. You can passive scan any ship that is sending out scan pulses that reveal you to them. This is especially helpful against larger ships that are out of your scan range and would otherwise be undetectable. Current Probe Mechanics are still required for making a warpable contact. The new Radar/D-Scan is informational only. As current, the only way to defeat a Scan Pulse entirely is with a Cloaking Device, but unlike now no more probing or scanning while cloaked. Covert Ops cloaks may be an exception. Star Jump Drive
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 202	Posted - 2012.11.18 19:03:00 - [48] - Quote Zagdul wrote: Thomas Orca wrote: Val'Dore wrote: I've been against Local and Killmails since 2004. So basically, you hate PvP? No, he's just against it. I've been pvping since 2004. I'm what is called a purist, pretty rare in EvE these days. I believe killmails hurt pvp and keep EvE from being a truly great pvp sandbox. Star Jump Drive
MasterEnt The Scope Gallente Federation 108	Posted - 2012.11.18 19:58:00 - [49] - Quote Zagdul wrote: So, thanks for your post, but it's a dumb idea to remove it. Solid argument
JitaPriceChecker2 State War Academy Caldari State 183	Posted - 2012.11.18 20:15:00 - [50] - Quote Just add more 0.0 regions with no local. For goons and other trolls - wormholes are not such a systems.
Jame Jarl Retief Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 360	Posted - 2012.11.18 20:39:00 - [51] - Quote Zagdul wrote: The problem is that your position requires CCP to invest man-hours into a system that currently functions to change. A system that in order to work without, you'd need a new one that isn't bugged. Look how the new inventory worked out. So what, change nothing, ever, for fear of making it worse? They might as well have stopped back in '03 and left it as is. And it was no great shakes back then. Yeah, the new inventory kinda sucks. But EVE UI, in general, SUCKS HORRIBLY. And I say this from a loving place. Things like drone window, D-Scan, etc., are all really, really bad. You can't even change fonts in EVE, and font size is only limited to 4 (? I think) possible sizes. Consider that in most other MMOs, you can not only heavily re-work your UI, you can change fonts, font sizes and colors, add sound cues, etc. And this is for MMOs that released in 2004-2008. When it comes to UI in general, EVE is incredibly, ludicrously backward.
BuckStrider Nano-Tech Experiments 87	Posted - 2012.11.18 21:22:00 - [52] - Quote Pohbis wrote: I really wish CCP would just turn off local in 0.0 for 14 days so people could see the effects on 0.0 PvP Come on CCP, just flip the switch like bacon. We can always go back after 14 days, in fact, most will probably beg for it. It takes CCP 18 months just to change underwear. You have a better chance of seeing God. I talked to God last week, told me to tell you your fvcked.
Battle On Jita Exiles Strategic Warfare Operations Command 10	Posted - 2012.11.18 21:31:00 - [53] - Quote Zagdul wrote: Nobody can ever agree on it. Lets be honest, removing it in K-Space is a dumb idea... However, lets Pause it to where you don't show up in it until after you break your gate cloak. This way I can enter a system, do a system scan + a couple D-Scans before the roaches scatter to their safe spots. I would prefer a instant local in Highsec, a 5-10 second delay in lowsec and 10-30 second delay in nullsec. [Service] Battle On's Custom and Colored Overviews!
James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 1295	Posted - 2012.11.18 21:39:00 - [54] - Quote It's almost as if we don't have a 60+ page thread on this exact subject on the same page of GD right this moment. Anybody clamoring to remove local in nullsec should go ahead and look in there. If you have any reading comprehension at all you'll realize why it's a pretty terrible idea. You don't have to read the entire thread, it pretty much repeats itself every 5 pages or so.
Bane Necran Appono Astos 731	Posted - 2012.11.18 21:50:00 - [55] - Quote Battle On wrote: I would prefer a instant local in Highsec, a 5-10 second delay in lowsec and 10-30 second delay in nullsec. Setting up a scale like that, where the 'tougher' the place is the more of a delay there is, would only make WH space look even more hardcore for having no local at all. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
Sentamon 262	Posted - 2012.11.18 21:53:00 - [56] - Quote Should people that sit in 100,000 man alliances comment on the rest of the game? Probably not. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1779	Posted - 2012.11.18 22:04:00 - [57] - Quote BuckStrider wrote: Pohbis wrote: I really wish CCP would just turn off local in 0.0 for 14 days so people could see the effects on 0.0 PvP Come on CCP, just flip the switch like bacon. We can always go back after 14 days, in fact, most will probably beg for it. It takes CCP 18 months just to change underwear. You have a better chance of seeing God. I talked to God last week, told me to tell you your fvcked. Is that the case? Well then we might as well just turn off the local what could possibly go wrong, I can't imagine, Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Rordan D'Kherr Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 210	Posted - 2012.11.18 22:05:00 - [58] - Quote it's funny how WH dwellers try to look extra-pro because of no local (and no gates, no hot drops, no sov warfare etc.) _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1779	Posted - 2012.11.18 22:06:00 - [59] - Quote Rordan D'Kherr wrote: it's funny how WH dwellers try to look extra-pro because of no local (and no gates, no hot drops, no sov warfare etc.) I too would love a lot less hot drops and sov warfare.... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Sentamon 262	Posted - 2012.11.18 22:06:00 - [60] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Is that the case? Well then we might as well just turn off the local what could possibly go wrong, I can't imagine, Null and Low might be interesting for a change? Oh the horror. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~

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