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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.21 10:19:00 -
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Hello everyone,
Lately there have been a lot of posts on the forum pertaining to the proposed splitting of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skills into racial variants as discussed in this dev blog from CCP Ytterbium.
In an effort to clear up some confusion about this and keep numerous duplicate threads from being posted about it, here is some generic information about it:
- If you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change. You will be automatically given the new racial BC and Destroyer skills at your current BC/Destroyer skill level if you also have the corresponding racial Cruiser/Frigate skill to 3.
- There is no current release date for this change. The change will not be made until next year. It is not a part of the Retribution patch occurring on December 4th. Even so, we recommend you begin skill training for the skills now if you want to 100% ensure that you will get all of the skills when this change goes live.
- Just to reiterate, this change is not a part of the Retribution patch on December 4th. Just making sure everyone heard that.
- If you wish to discuss this proposed change, please do so on the Features & Ideas Discussion forum. You can find that forum here.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.11.21 10:21:00 -
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Thank you for your time in clarifying this important change. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.11.21 11:00:00 -
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I can't believe this needs clarifying to people. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.11.21 11:04:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:I can't believe this needs clarifying to people. Actually this one is really easy to read, so it is a good link to send people to who do not read the forums or Dev blogs. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.11.21 11:08:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:I can't believe this needs clarifying to people. Actually this one is really easy to read, so it is a good link to send people to who do not read the forums or Dev blogs.
Don't get me wrong, I get why it's been done and it's good to have something to stop like 1000000 threads about it.
I'm just sad people dont read like any of the 100 times it's been mentioned it's not happening SoonGäó "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Elijah Craig
Trask Industries Li3 Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.21 11:17:00 -
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Information on proposed Destroyer and Battleship Skill changes
Should be Battlecruiser, innit. |
Joe Buzzard
Buzzard Bait and Salvage VLLC
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Posted - 2012.11.21 11:32:00 -
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If you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change. You will be automatically given the new racial BC and Destroyer skills at your current BC/Destroyer skill level if you also have the corresponding racial Cruiser/Frigate skill to 3.
*Sigh - Isn't prereq of the Racial BC skill Racial Frig IV? |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.11.21 11:41:00 -
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Joe Buzzard wrote: *Sigh - Isn't prereq of the Racial BC skill Racial Frig IV?
*sigh*
Yes but as previously stated in everything despite the fact that the prerequisite for training Racial BC will be Racial Frigate IV EVE's skill system works in such a way that if you are given Racial BC to whatever it will override the fact that in theory you haven't trained the prequisite. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Joe Buzzard
Buzzard Bait and Salvage VLLC
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Posted - 2012.11.21 12:17:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Joe Buzzard wrote: *Sigh - Isn't prereq of the Racial BC skill Racial Frig IV?
*sigh* Yes but as previously stated in everything despite the fact that the prerequisite for training Racial BC will be Racial Frigate IV EVE's skill system works in such a way that if you are given Racial BC to whatever it will override the fact that in theory you haven't trained the prequisite.
Not "will be" - "is". You cannot fly a BC today without a Racial Frig IV and Cruiser III.
So if what you say is correct I just "wasted" a couple days training...
Bummer
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.11.21 12:35:00 -
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Joe Buzzard wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Joe Buzzard wrote: *Sigh - Isn't prereq of the Racial BC skill Racial Frig IV?
*sigh* Yes but as previously stated in everything despite the fact that the prerequisite for training Racial BC will be Racial Frigate IV EVE's skill system works in such a way that if you are given Racial BC to whatever it will override the fact that in theory you haven't trained the prequisite. Not "will be" - "is". You cannot fly a BC today without a Racial Frig IV and Cruiser III. So if what you say is correct I just "wasted" a couple days training... Bummer
Oh no it appears you are correct, I haven't looked at frigate skill training in ages.
I do apologise, the reqs are:
Racial Frig - IV Racial Cruiser - III Battle Cruiser - Whatever
So to get the BC V skills for all 4 races you need:
Amarr Frigate - IV Minmitar Frigate - IV Caldari Frigate - IV Gallente Frigate - IV Amarr Cruiser - III Minmitar Cruiser - III Caldari Cruiser - III Gallente Cruiser - III Battlecruiser - V
And just in case it is clear this will NOT give you any extra abilities to what you already have and, in fact, if you never plan on flying more then a single race's Battelcruisers there's no point in doing it.
If you do plan on flying all races BCs though then I'd advise to do this now simply because it will save training later as the reqs change from Cruiser III to Cruiser IV "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
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Joe Buzzard
Buzzard Bait and Salvage VLLC
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Posted - 2012.11.21 12:59:00 -
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Cool - I don't know if I will need more than one (this toon likes Gallente), but I am "young" and with what appears to be a perpetual state of rebalancing, it seems wise to keep my options open. |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.21 13:03:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:And just in case it is clear this will NOT give you any extra abilities to what you already have and, in fact, if you never plan on flying more then a single race's Battelcruisers there's no point in doing it.
If you do plan on flying all races BCs though then I'd advise to do this now simply because it will save training later as the reqs change from Cruiser III to Cruiser IV
Well, isn't it in the 90+ days range to take (in the new world) racial 0 to racial BC V?
Remember, BC itself will split out too and stay the same rank. so it's probably time worth spending for everyone, unless saving 3 months holds no interest to people |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.21 13:16:00 -
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I've fixed the title of the thread and clarified that you need racial frig to 4, not 3. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
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Joe Buzzard
Buzzard Bait and Salvage VLLC
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:36:00 -
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Also, for completeness' sake, you might want to make clear the the requirement for Destroyers is Frigate III, not IV.
So to get the Destroyer V skills for all 4 races you need:
Amarr Frigate - III Minmitar Frigate - III Caldari Frigate - III Gallente Frigate - III Destroyer - V |
Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:49:00 -
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Are the changes where Capitals will require only BS 4 also going to be introduced at the same time? |
Jason Slinger
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:57:00 -
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Someone mentioned that you wont gain anything.. but it is my understanding that you will.
If Before the Change you have: all 4 Racial Frig IV all 4 Racial Cruiser III BattleCruiser V
After the change, if I understand the devblog correctly, you will then be able to fly all 4 races Command Ships, since they stated the Cruiser 5 prereq would go away.
DO I have this wrong? |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:20:00 -
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Actually, Racial Frig to IV is a prerequisite for getting Racial Cruiser, so it is (more or less) irrelevant to the changes. I've reverted that change. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:28:00 -
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Jason Slinger wrote:Someone mentioned that you wont gain anything.. but it is my understanding that you will.
If Before the Change you have: all 4 Racial Frig IV all 4 Racial Cruiser III BattleCruiser V
After the change, if I understand the devblog correctly, you will then be able to fly all 4 races Command Ships, since they stated the Cruiser 5 prereq would go away.
DO I have this wrong?
But if you train all racial cruiser to III at the moment and then train BC to V you will be able to fly all cruisers and all battlecruisers.
After the change you will STILL be able to fly all cruisers and all battlecruisers.
The only way to miss out is to have BC V but only one of the racial cruisers to III as that way you'll miss out (e.g. Amarr Cruiser III only and Battlecruiser V only gets you Amarr Battlecruiser V).
Or to train BC to less than V and then decide later you want to get it to V for more than one race (as you're effectively training it to V for 1 race at least now).
There's no way to game this change to benefit yourself, other then saving time if you want to get BC to 5 for more then once race (which you should as BC is awesome).
It's worth doing, just no-one think they are somehow going to game the system and be some sort of bad ass from doing this. The only thing it will allow you to do is fly racial battlecruisers without neccessarily having racial cruiser to IV (as it requires IV after the change but only requries III now). "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:20:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:I can't believe this needs clarifying to people.
You must not have met very many people. People, in general, aren't terribly bright.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:12:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:The only thing it will allow you to do is fly racial battlecruisers without neccessarily having racial cruiser to IV (as it requires IV after the change but only requries III now).
No no no.
BC is ceasing to be generic.
BC will become
*Caldari BC *Gallente BC *Minmatar BC *Amarr BC
Therefore if today you have Amarr cruiser III and BC V and you do nothing, after these changes, to have the OTHER BC hulls at the same skill you must train the racial cruiser to IV AND the racial BC to V.
DevBlog wrote:it means if you are able to fly an Oracle by having Amarr Cruisers 3 and Battlecruisers 3, we will remove the Battlecruisers skill from your character and give you Amarr Battlecruisers at 3
That means you'll be needing to train EACH racial BATTLECRUISER skill too, never mind just cruiser to IV |
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:10:00 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Therefore if today you have Amarr cruiser III and BC V and you do nothing, after these changes, to have the OTHER BC hulls at the same skill you must train the racial cruiser to IV AND the racial BC to V.
No this isn't how skills in EVE work. Just because the skill has a prequisite doesn't mean you can't fly it if you have the skill when in theory you shouldn't.
Devs have already clarified this. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:19:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Therefore if today you have Amarr cruiser III and BC V and you do nothing, after these changes, to have the OTHER BC hulls at the same skill you must train the racial cruiser to IV AND the racial BC to V.
No this isn't how skills in EVE work. Just because the skill has a prequisite doesn't mean you can't fly it if you have the skill when in theory you shouldn't. Devs have already clarified this.
He is correct, though. If, at the time of the change, you have ONLY Amarr Cruiser III and Battlecruiser V, you will get Amarr Battlecruiser V. You will not get any of the other racial BC skills unless you also have the racial Cruiser skills to III as well. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
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Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:20:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Therefore if today you have Amarr cruiser III and BC V and you do nothing, after these changes, to have the OTHER BC hulls at the same skill you must train the racial cruiser to IV AND the racial BC to V.
No this isn't how skills in EVE work. Just because the skill has a prequisite doesn't mean you can't fly it if you have the skill when in theory you shouldn't. Devs have already clarified this.
His statement seems fine to me, don't know what you're on about. |
brammator
SUB ZERO. Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:19:00 -
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Please state also, how T2 BC requirements will be changed. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:31:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:Are the changes where Capitals will require only BS 4 also going to be introduced at the same time?
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June Ting
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:06:00 -
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brammator wrote:Please state also, how T2 BC requirements will be changed. And interdictor requirements. Will Sabre still require Minmatar Frigate V (plus the new Minmatar Destroyer V)? Or will it be revised to only require Minmatar Destroyer V?
Same question with regard to Claymore and Minmatar Cruiser V/Minmatar Battlecruiser V. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:36:00 -
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June Ting wrote:brammator wrote:Please state also, how T2 BC requirements will be changed. And interdictor requirements. Will Sabre still require Minmatar Frigate V (plus the new Minmatar Destroyer V)? Or will it be revised to only require Minmatar Destroyer V? Same question with regard to Claymore and Minmatar Cruiser V/Minmatar Battlecruiser V.
Quote: Make ship progression more consistent over all sizes, instead of having a mix of racial and generic skills Allowing for faster tech2 specialization, and slower multi-racial diversification. In EVE Online, while you as a new player will never catch up with the total amount of skill points a veteran has, you can still be on the same level by specializing. This is precisely what we want to promote here. For instance, currently one needs Amarr Cruiser and Battlecruisers 5 to fly an Absolution, after the change the same pilot will only need Amarr Battlecruisers 5 (on top of the other skill requirements). And from the older reballance blog
Quote:[*] Cut needless requirements for tech 2 ships across classes. Tech 2 philosophy is all about specializing into a specific hull and role, thus, requiring players to train for Assault Ships, then Heavy Assault Ships when aiming for Field Command Ships, is quite redundant. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.29 06:18:00 -
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June Ting wrote:brammator wrote:Please state also, how T2 BC requirements will be changed. And interdictor requirements. Will Sabre still require Minmatar Frigate V (plus the new Minmatar Destroyer V)? Or will it be revised to only require Minmatar Destroyer V? Same question with regard to Claymore and Minmatar Cruiser V/Minmatar Battlecruiser V. Sabre will most likely not require Minmatar Frigate V. |
JohnnyRingo
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2012.11.29 18:20:00 -
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Could you please clarify for me, is the skill training time multiplier staying the same for the new skills so it would take 4 times the amount of time to train all races BC to 5 ?
or is the training time multiplier on each skill being lowered?
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Hikaru Sulu
Black Legion Industries
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Posted - 2012.11.30 01:02:00 -
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So someone just help me here... If I have the following:
Caldari Frig 5 Amarr Frig 4 Gallente Frig 4 Minnie Frig 4
Destroyers 5
Caldari cruiser 5 Amarr cruiser 5 Gallente Cruiser 4 Minmatar Cruiser 4
Battlecruisers 5
Then I will get all racial Destroyer skills and all racial Battlecruiser skills to 5 when this change hits, correct? |
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