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Hollborn	Posted - 2005.04.25 12:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Zandramus Quote: erh? 5 guys in Stain. FIVE is refering to the Five corps in Curse. We just don't appreciate being warp scrambled by SE bubbles while Xetic shoot at us while SE stand by eating popcorn. They are supposed to be "neutral". No , I was refering to the amount of Stain members left in the alliance. And secondly what different is Stain camping a gate in Hed with Xetic , or Atuk camping SV5 with Stain like I saw during our war with Stain. Was quite hard to effectivly chase Stain back into Stain when Atuk was guarding all the access points for them. Zandramus Were ATUK remaining neutral during that conflict? Or where they actually shooting at you along with SE?
thelung187	Posted - 2005.04.25 13:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Heid banger and i guess we can expect to see SE & XF gate camps again??? oops thats right it didnt stop to restart Originally by: Hollborn Stain Empire camping HED-GP with Xetic suck big hairy spuds. IMO, If you want to remain neutral camping a gate with one side of the war is not acceptable. Having Stain bubbles scrambling FIVE members while Xetic pound on em is unacceptable. Signed and signed. Though Xetic will need to undock from 68FT or Z-N to actually move through their own space to get to Stain. [ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.04.25 13:36:00 - [33] Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 13:35:59 Quote: Were ATUK remaining neutral during that conflict? Or where they actually shooting at you along with SE? Well I remember coming through a camp at SV5 and being told by an Atuk rep whilst sitting next to an SE guy on the gate that Unless I was Blue Atuk would shoot me. We have always had a good reationship with Atuk, had a good working reationship with them in the Supremecy war. When I announced in local that SAS was not hostile towards Atuk I was basically told not to be there unless I was Blue. Now I did not want to start anything With Atuk due to our past working arraingments and I managed to run a little deaper into Stain before I was basically camped in By a huge Shinra / BOS Camp. To me it was not worth trying to get any further into Stain to pursue the campain and possible cause more problems than not. Fact of the matter, the Stain contract was very boring, as they simpley could hide in Stain behind the BBA camps and didnt come to empire for a fight at all. We also didnt feel like traveling 30 + jumps to find 5 guys that would probably dock and log once we got there. Contract is now completed thank god maybe there will be a little more excitement with this next one. Stain have fun with Smite... it seems they are truely all you can possibly handle, you have been trying to get the same 7 guys out of your space for what 3 months.... truely sad indead. Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Hollborn	Posted - 2005.04.25 13:41:00 - [34] Originally by: Zandramus Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 13:35:59 Quote: Were ATUK remaining neutral during that conflict? Or where they actually shooting at you along with SE? Well I remember coming through a camp at SV5 and being told by an Atuk rep whilst sitting next to an SE guy on the gate that Unless I was Blue Atuk would shoot me. We have always had a good reationship with Atuk, had a good working reationship with them in the Supremecy war. When I announced in local that SAS was not hostile towards Atuk I was basically told not to be there unless I was Blue. Now I did not want to start anything With Atuk due to our past working arraingments and I managed to run a little deaper into Stain before I was basically camped in By a huge Shinra / BOS Camp. To me it was not worth trying to get any further into Stain to pursue the campain and possible cause more problems than not. Fact of the matter, the Stain contract was very boring, as they simpley could hide in Stain behind the BBA camps and didnt come to empire for a fight at all. We also didnt feel like traveling 30 + jumps to find 5 guys that would probably dock and log once we got there. Contract is now completed thank god maybe there will be a little more excitement with this next one. Stain have fun with Smite... it seems they are truely all you can possibly handle, you have been trying to get the same 7 guys out of your space for what 3 months.... truely sad indead. Zandramus Sorry...you have lost me now. We (atuk) have been trying to remove SE? Since when? Or maybe I missunderstood you.
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.04.25 13:43:00 - [35] Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 13:46:42 Quote: Sorry...you have lost me now. We (atuk) have been trying to remove SE? Since when? Hmm dont remember saying that, I think what I said is Atuk was camping a gate with SE while we were executing a contract on SE, thus SE was enjoying a benefit of Atuk being in the area and protecting them Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Hollborn	Posted - 2005.04.25 13:52:00 - [36] Originally by: Zandramus Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 13:45:28 Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 13:44:03 Quote: Sorry...you have lost me now. We (atuk) have been trying to remove SE? Since when? Hmm dont remember saying that, I think what I said is Atuk was camping a gate with SE while we were executing a contract on SE Zandramus hehe. You think the world revolves around your contract against Stain? I wasn't there, but camps go up in and around catch all the time. It probably had nothing to do with your guys attacking. If you weren't blue to atuk then you were just targets for them. This is just Catch for you. It is one of the most blood soaked regions in Eve.
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.04.25 14:03:00 - [37] Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 14:15:46 edited. Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Hollborn	Posted - 2005.04.25 14:18:00 - [38] I agree totally. The more targets the better. All I am saying the Xetic/SE camp is totally different because SE are neutral (blue) to us and just sitting there. Both SE and Atuk didn't have you blue so therefore camping and killing you was fair game. I wasn't even in Atuk then (I was in Supremacy) but from what you are saying this is what I have gathered.
Metal Dude	Posted - 2005.04.25 14:38:00 - [39] Edited by: Metal Dude on 25/04/2005 14:38:59 Let everyone fight everyone, including in Empire space. I think Concord should go on strike for a week. That would be the most fun anybody ever had in EVE. ATUK shoots everyone that is not blue in anybodies space. End of story. We shoot neutrals or hostiles in anybodyÆs gang. Remember how FIX war started? Because they had a FA guy in their gang and when ATUK attacked him, FIX defended them. We have been at war ever since. If Stain defends Xetic members that are in their gang when we attack them, guess whatÆs going to happen. Now, as long as Stain doesnÆt aggress against us, we will not shoot them, but Stain better warned their members that if they donÆt want a war, make sure not to fire on us when we are killing Xetic in their gang. All it takes is one little noob that doesnÆt understand to start a war. It would just be safer for Stain and Xetic to have their own gangs when camping and donÆt use bobbles. When we come thru, bobbles donÆt last very long anyways. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.04.25 14:44:00 - [40] Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 14:48:20 Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 25/04/2005 14:38:59 Let everyone fight everyone, including in Empire space. I think Concord should go on strike for a week. That would be the most fun anybody ever had in EVE. ATUK shoots everyone that is not blue in anybodies space. End of story. We shoot neutrals or hostiles in anybodyÆs gang. Remember how FIX war started? Because they had a FA guy in their gang and when ATUK attacked him, FIX defended them. We have been at war ever since. If Stain defends Xetic members that are in their gang when we attack them, guess whatÆs going to happen. Now, as long as Stain doesnÆt aggress against us, we will not shoot them, but Stain better warned their members that if they donÆt want a war, make sure not to fire on us when we are killing Xetic in their gang. All it takes is one little noob that doesnÆt understand to start a war. It would just be safer for Stain and Xetic to have their own gangs when camping and donÆt use bobbles. When we come thru, bobbles donÆt last very long anyways. Thats my point, the only difference is Atuk has to many people at blue atm. Honestly didnt want to start anything with Atuk as we had just a good relationship with them against Imperium. Dunno, just tired of not seeing any valid war targets atm and am getting frustrated at not killing anything in the last 3-4 days. its pretty bad when you got an alliance war going and have to resort to using location agents to find anyone online. Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Metal Dude	Posted - 2005.04.25 14:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Zandramus Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 25/04/2005 14:38:59 Let everyone fight everyone, including in Empire space. I think Concord should go on strike for a week. That would be the most fun anybody ever had in EVE. ATUK shoots everyone that is not blue in anybodies space. End of story. We shoot neutrals or hostiles in anybodyÆs gang. Remember how FIX war started? Because they had a FA guy in their gang and when ATUK attacked him, FIX defended them. We have been at war ever since. If Stain defends Xetic members that are in their gang when we attack them, guess whatÆs going to happen. Now, as long as Stain doesnÆt aggress against us, we will not shoot them, but Stain better warned their members that if they donÆt want a war, make sure not to fire on us when we are killing Xetic in their gang. All it takes is one little noob that doesnÆt understand to start a war. It would just be safer for Stain and Xetic to have their own gangs when camping and donÆt use bobbles. When we come thru, bobbles donÆt last very long anyways. Thats my point, the only difference is Atuk has to many people at blue atm. Honestly didnt want to start anything with Atuk as we had just a good relationship with them against Imperium. Dunno, just tired of not seeing any valid war targets atm and am getting frustrated at not killing anything in the last 3-4 days. Zandramus hehe, I hear you and feel your pain. Too many NAPS these days and not enough folks with balls to come out and really fight. Agents suck. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Bricheno	Posted - 2005.04.25 16:22:00 - [42] Translation: We, the Stain Empire, are too weak to stop anyone and everyone from living in our space. Therefore we will make out that we are allowing everyone to travel through our space so we don't look so ****ty. NAPFTW.
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.04.25 16:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Bricheno Translation: We, the Stain Empire, are too weak to stop anyone and everyone from living in our space. Therefore we will make out that we are allowing everyone to travel through our space so we don't look so ****ty. NAPFTW. True, but grow a pair and post with your main Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Svabbi k	Posted - 2005.04.25 17:13:00 - [44] Originally by: Hollborn Stain Empire camping HED-GP with Xetic suck big hairy spuds. IMO, If you want to remain neutral camping a gate with one side of the war is not acceptable. Having Stain bubbles scrambling FIVE members while Xetic pound on em is unacceptable. Yes but if the bubble has sentimental value, you can¦t shoot it tho.
YES Itsme	Posted - 2005.04.25 18:16:00 - [45] you sas guys are real funny you complain that se diddnt went to empire to fight you.. why would we go after you in empire, why would we want to do 30 jumps to look for a few sas members
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.04.25 18:30:00 - [46] Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 18:31:32 Originally by: YES Itsme you sas guys are real funny you complain that se diddnt went to empire to fight you.. why would we go after you in empire, why would we want to do 30 jumps to look for a few sas members What is it about the forum and alts. Problem was you guys came to empire but whenever you did you left the Stain alliance to do your business in empire in noob corps only to re join the alliance when you went back to 0.0 Quitting corp and alliance to stay out of war <3 Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2005.04.25 18:57:00 - [47] heh Stain = WW2's answer to ireland. Former Member of Omega Corp
BeAware	Posted - 2005.04.25 19:16:00 - [48] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Zandramus Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 25/04/2005 14:38:59 Let everyone fight everyone, including in Empire space. I think Concord should go on strike for a week. That would be the most fun anybody ever had in EVE. ATUK shoots everyone that is not blue in anybodies space. End of story. We shoot neutrals or hostiles in anybodyÆs gang. Remember how FIX war started? Because they had a FA guy in their gang and when ATUK attacked him, FIX defended them. We have been at war ever since. If Stain defends Xetic members that are in their gang when we attack them, guess whatÆs going to happen. Now, as long as Stain doesnÆt aggress against us, we will not shoot them, but Stain better warned their members that if they donÆt want a war, make sure not to fire on us when we are killing Xetic in their gang. All it takes is one little noob that doesnÆt understand to start a war. It would just be safer for Stain and Xetic to have their own gangs when camping and donÆt use bobbles. When we come thru, bobbles donÆt last very long anyways. Thats my point, the only difference is Atuk has to many people at blue atm. Honestly didnt want to start anything with Atuk as we had just a good relationship with them against Imperium. Dunno, just tired of not seeing any valid war targets atm and am getting frustrated at not killing anything in the last 3-4 days. Zandramus hehe, I hear you and feel your pain. Too many NAPS these days and not enough folks with balls to come out and really fight. Agents suck. Agents Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PVP Sucks kick it out of the game
La Mila	Posted - 2005.04.25 19:36:00 - [49] Quote: PVP Sucks kick it out of the game yeah let's all mine, kick out the npc too so we can all mine everything we want
Emmerich Steiner	Posted - 2005.04.25 19:49:00 - [50] This whole situation is very reminisant of pre World War 1, at some point in time Stain is going to have to pick sides, stain is too close to the conflict to remain legitimatly nuetral. Maybe if you guys are lucky, you can engage in a world's first 3 way fleet battle, i'd love to see a fraps of that :D Currently training: Original Sig / Rank 1 / SP: 198000 of 256000
DeathGrip	Posted - 2005.04.25 20:30:00 - [51] I see a lot of posts about not fighting bla bla bla, not undocking in z-n and so forth. I have to say one thing and one thing only, BULL&%$^. I have fought in fleet battles every day for the past 3-4 days. They have been great fun, both sides have lost ships, both sides agreed that it was pretty even odds. So please don't say Xetic Dosn't fight when we do fight, maybe not everyone but a good number of us do. [i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even
Wuubaa	Posted - 2005.04.25 20:34:00 - [52] Originally by: DeathGrip I see a lot of posts about not fighting bla bla bla, not undocking in z-n and so forth. I have to say one thing and one thing only, BULL&%$^. I have fought in fleet battles every day for the past 3-4 days. They have been great fun, both sides have lost ships, both sides agreed that it was pretty even odds. So please don't say Xetic Dosn't fight when we do fight, maybe not everyone but a good number of us do. Welcome to the alliance and corporation e-peen measuring and BS spreading forum. I will be your guide today enjoy your trip.
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.04.25 20:36:00 - [53] Originally by: DeathGrip I see a lot of posts about not fighting bla bla bla, not undocking in z-n and so forth. I have to say one thing and one thing only, BULL&%$^. I have fought in fleet battles every day for the past 3-4 days. They have been great fun, both sides have lost ships, both sides agreed that it was pretty even odds. So please don't say Xetic Dosn't fight when we do fight, maybe not everyone but a good number of us do. Are you sure that you posted in the right thread? This is a post about Stain not Xetic... Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Valentinian Zeno	Posted - 2005.04.25 20:54:00 - [54] Originally by: Zandramus Originally by: DeathGrip I see a lot of posts about not fighting bla bla bla, not undocking in z-n and so forth. I have to say one thing and one thing only, BULL&%$^. I have fought in fleet battles every day for the past 3-4 days. They have been great fun, both sides have lost ships, both sides agreed that it was pretty even odds. So please don't say Xetic Dosn't fight when we do fight, maybe not everyone but a good number of us do. Are you sure that you posted in the right thread? This is a post about Stain not Xetic... Zandramus Are you sure you posted on the right Forums..These belong to ATUK and SNRA??
Travling	Posted - 2005.04.25 21:21:00 - [55] WOW can we say that stain has turned into a bunch of P***'. Let them through so they dont kill you. Bad part is it isnt them you should be worried about.
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.04.25 22:50:00 - [56] Originally by: Zandramus Originally by: DeathGrip I see a lot of posts about not fighting bla bla bla, not undocking in z-n and so forth. I have to say one thing and one thing only, BULL&%$^. I have fought in fleet battles every day for the past 3-4 days. They have been great fun, both sides have lost ships, both sides agreed that it was pretty even odds. So please don't say Xetic Dosn't fight when we do fight, maybe not everyone but a good number of us do. Are you sure that you posted in the right thread? This is a post about Stain not Xetic... Zandramus Originally by: thelung187 Signed and signed. Though Xetic will need to undock from 68FT or Z-N to actually move through their own space to get to Stain. Im sure he did post it in the right thread. Nobody likes a smartass Zandramus.
Heid banger	Posted - 2005.04.26 00:47:00 - [57] heres the $64,000 question. If we (the 5 corps) come to SE space to get at xetic, will you stay neutral or will u shoot us and say we invaded your space? If you say the latter then you cant really say you are neutral to both sides of the conflict, as you would be giving safe haven to xetic. IMHO you (SE) Need to let it be known that if you let xetic stay in your land ,then we must have access to continue our fight. Failure to do so would be a clear indication of your true intentions. Heid banger Nemesis : Retributive justice in its execution or outcome
Orchestrax	Posted - 2005.04.26 02:25:00 - [58] Haha thanks for the laugh BOOFER
Roger Dodger	Posted - 2005.04.26 02:31:00 - [59] Originally by: Heid banger heres the $64,000 question. If we (the 5 corps) come to SE space to get at xetic, will you stay neutral or will u shoot us and say we invaded your space? If you say the latter then you cant really say you are neutral to both sides of the conflict, as you would be giving safe haven to xetic. IMHO you (SE) Need to let it be known that if you let xetic stay in your land ,then we must have access to continue our fight. Failure to do so would be a clear indication of your true intentions. Heid banger I'm pretty sure that a XETIC member attacking one of the Five members in SE space will be given the same treatment. You have access, you just can't fight XETIC and vice versa in SE space. Unless I misread. __________________ Proud member of the SinBin Fan Club
Nyk0n	Posted - 2005.04.26 05:18:00 - [60] SE u need to get with the program..... How can you not see that once they are bored in XETIC that you are next on there "round the map trip"?? They attacked the FA and XETIC supported them thoughout, whilst being a frend of the FA, they turned on them soon after. Now you support them while they attack youre frend, do you really think that they give a dam about you guys? Open youre eyes, they are already tryin to bait and belittle you in this very thread.

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