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BOOFER
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Posted - 2005.04.25 04:23:00 -
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Effective immediatly all Stain space is reopened for travel to both the Xetic Federation and to the BBA (Atuk, Shinra, Supremecy, BOS, etc). However Stain Empire will remain neutral to the current conflict, nor will any conflict/battle be allowed to take place in Stain space.
Boofer
Foreign Affairs Minister for the Stain Empire.
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.04.25 04:24:00 -
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Signed and delivered
Director of Communications
2nd in Command of Foreign Affairs |
Lachenlaud
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Posted - 2005.04.25 04:24:00 -
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As Minister of Foreign Affairs for the Xetic Federation, please be advised that Members of the Official 'Stain Empire' Alliance will have similar rights in XF Space.
I have requested that all XF Pilots refrain from hostilities. This decision is pending confirmation from the XF Council which will convene to discuss the matter further.
I see this as a step forward in healing the rift between the Xetic Federation and the Stain Empire.
[email protected]
http://www.goi-eve.com/forums/
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siim
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Posted - 2005.04.25 04:39:00 -
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.04.25 04:44:00 -
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I'd also like to let it be known that Xetic has been allowing me to travel freely through their space. 
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
cordy
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Posted - 2005.04.25 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: cordy on 25/04/2005 05:10:54
Signed
XF-President
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.04.25 05:14:00 -
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 Originally by: siim
Why arent you on right now you **********************
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.04.25 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: BOOFER
Effective immediatly all Stain space is reopened for travel to both the Xetic Federation and to the BBA (Atuk, Shinra, Supremecy, BOS, etc). However Stain Empire will remain neutral to the current conflict, nor will any conflict/battle be allowed to take place in Stain space.
Boofer
Foreign Affairs Minister for the Stain Empire.
Hmm didn't we (BBA) already have these 'rights' ?
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.04.25 05:52:00 -
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nah Avan we let u through cuz of ur irreistable good looks and witty banter.
Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass. |
AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.04.25 05:54:00 -
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Well then at least my high basic charisma is good for something 
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.04.25 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: cordy
Edited by: cordy on 25/04/2005 05:10:54
Signed
XF-President
\o/
I feel all warm and gushy inside now. Big group hugs everyone! Let's group hug on Svetlanna first.
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Noob Esquire
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Posted - 2005.04.25 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: BOOFER
Effective immediatly all Stain space is reopened for travel to both the Xetic Federation and to the BBA (Atuk, Shinra, Supremecy, BOS, etc). However Stain Empire will remain neutral to the current conflict, nor will any conflict/battle be allowed to take place in Stain space.
Boofer
Foreign Affairs Minister for the Stain Empire.
Hmm didn't we (BBA) already have these 'rights' ?
How about for once you stfu and let the leaders of your corp post? AFAIK, you arent a director or atleast not ont he list I got.
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siim
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Posted - 2005.04.25 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Noob Esquire
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: BOOFER
Effective immediatly all Stain space is reopened for travel to both the Xetic Federation and to the BBA (Atuk, Shinra, Supremecy, BOS, etc). However Stain Empire will remain neutral to the current conflict, nor will any conflict/battle be allowed to take place in Stain space.
Boofer
Foreign Affairs Minister for the Stain Empire.
Hmm didn't we (BBA) already have these 'rights' ?
How about for once you stfu and let the leaders of your corp post? AFAIK, you arent a director or atleast not ont he list I got.
Thats pretty bold coming from a man who hides behind hes alt..so stfu k?
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.04.25 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Noob Esquire
Originally by: AvanCade
Originally by: BOOFER
Effective immediatly all Stain space is reopened for travel to both the Xetic Federation and to the BBA (Atuk, Shinra, Supremecy, BOS, etc). However Stain Empire will remain neutral to the current conflict, nor will any conflict/battle be allowed to take place in Stain space.
Boofer
Foreign Affairs Minister for the Stain Empire.
Hmm didn't we (BBA) already have these 'rights' ?
How about for once you stfu and let the leaders of your corp post? AFAIK, you arent a director or atleast not ont he list I got.
I'm free to post whenever and whatever Mr. Alt Boy.
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Taz Devlin
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Posted - 2005.04.25 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
I'd also like to let it be known that Xetic has been allowing me to travel freely through their space.
Really? They seem pretty dedicated to deny me access
Was it something I did?
Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
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joefishy
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Posted - 2005.04.25 08:29:00 -
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Boofer does this mean SMITE can go thru stain without getting shot at ? 
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Estios
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Posted - 2005.04.25 10:33:00 -
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Just a personal piece of curiousity , what are you (SE) gonna do if I kill a Xetic ship in Stain space or am getting killed by one ??
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Heid banger
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Posted - 2005.04.25 10:40:00 -
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and i guess we can expect to see SE & XF gate camps again??? oops thats right it didnt stop to restart
Nemesis : Retributive justice in its execution or outcome
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2005.04.25 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Wuubaa on 25/04/2005 10:40:53
If the MDU (or watever it is) is still there then theyll av to shoot you....like xetic did when celes attacked stain in hed-gp etc...if not then im sure theyre to scared of what will happen to do anything.....
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Hollborn
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Posted - 2005.04.25 10:50:00 -
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Stain Empire camping HED-GP with Xetic suck big hairy spuds. IMO, If you want to remain neutral camping a gate with one side of the war is not acceptable. Having Stain bubbles scrambling FIVE members while Xetic pound on em is unacceptable.
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.25 11:07:00 -
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Translation
All 5 guys left in the stain alliance wishes to remian nutral to everyone so that we dont have anyone chase us out of our space, which we freely allow everyone into.
And we have to log too many times already, when hostiles do come, but please dont shoot anyone while your here it might upset the carebears and if they here laser fire they dock and log.
FFS just shoot everyone
Zandramus
Zandramus
Parking Violations Officer
Geminate Division
S.A.S
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xxShadexx
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Posted - 2005.04.25 11:09:00 -
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Its not like Xetic didnt already go through Stain space...but theres no Stain peeps in the north area to stop them so heh.
Btw, thank-you Stain for that free Apoc, your pilots ejecting from ships are a great help to recent losses.
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Golgatha
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Posted - 2005.04.25 11:26:00 -
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Stain basically is being used as a refugee camp for XETIC members fleeing the 5 frontline.
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Hollborn
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Posted - 2005.04.25 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zandramus
Translation
All 5 guys left in the stain alliance wishes to remian nutral to everyone so that we dont have anyone chase us out of our space, which we freely allow everyone into.
And we have to log too many times already, when hostiles do come, but please dont shoot anyone while your here it might upset the carebears and if they here laser fire they dock and log.
FFS just shoot everyone
Zandramus
erh? 5 guys in Stain. FIVE is refering to the Five corps in Curse. We just don't appreciate being warp scrambled by SE bubbles while Xetic shoot at us while SE stand by eating popcorn. They are supposed to be "neutral".
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.04.25 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Golgatha
Stain basically is being used as a refugee camp for XETIC members fleeing the 5 frontline.
Alt you might be, but that had a certain element of truth in it that made me laugh.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2005.04.25 11:40:00 -
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People all around need to consider their options.
There simply are people in this game that one can not trust. One should look closely at the history of those involved here and ponder seriously about the futility of short term appeasement and I'm not just talking about the southern part of EVE.
Some people clearly hate XETIC. However, currently, there is a real shortage of non-expansionistic groups that can get along well with their neighbors. What use is uberness when its chaotic and can turn on you?
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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BOOFER
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Posted - 2005.04.25 11:56:00 -
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Normally I make it a point not to post further in a posting of mine as I have said what I needed to say and anything I would say just adds to the flaming. However in this case a few clarifications will be made clearer for those who persist on making up their own mind based on very imperfect information.
The camping of HED, with the warp bubbles you refer to was a one off incident has been dealt with. If the BBA has any repitition of this I suggest you talk to Noob and get him to talk to me. We are neutral and will remain so.
As to the status of Stain. we may have lost some very good corps but we have adapted and are growing again. Stain is alive and well as you can see: Quote:
your pilots ejecting from ships are a great help to recent losses.
as Smite themselves are so willing to confirm, our concentration has been on Smite and will remain so until they are dealt with.
As to the penalty for engaging in warfare in our space. Simple, we will do as we always do, same as with friendly fires and other such incidents... take it to the members Boss and let him deal with it.
Finally our stance of neutrality is simple. Both sides are long standing friends of ours. We have no wish to fight either side based on this, and to be honest are very dismayed that it came to this. So once again allow me to reiterate. We will remain Neutral to the current conflict.
Boofer
Foreign Affairs Minister for the Stain Empire.
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2005.04.25 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Zzazzt on 25/04/2005 12:04:51
Originally by: Hollborn
Having Stain bubbles scrambling FIVE members while Xetic pound on em is unacceptable.
Depends entirely upon one's perspective, I'd say...
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Kipkruide
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Posted - 2005.04.25 12:29:00 -
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We lub u all, really. Especially the nice people down in p.s. who are letting us shoot them. Was about time, i was getting bored.
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.25 12:38:00 -
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erh? 5 guys in Stain. FIVE is refering to the Five corps in Curse. We just don't appreciate being warp scrambled by SE bubbles while Xetic shoot at us while SE stand by eating popcorn. They are supposed to be "neutral".
No , I was refering to the amount of Stain members left in the alliance.
And secondly what different is Stain camping a gate in Hed with Xetic , or Atuk camping SV5 with Stain like I saw during our war with Stain. Was quite hard to effectivly chase Stain back into Stain when Atuk was guarding all the access points for them.
Zandramus
Zandramus
Parking Violations Officer
Geminate Division
S.A.S
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Hollborn
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Posted - 2005.04.25 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zandramus
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erh? 5 guys in Stain. FIVE is refering to the Five corps in Curse. We just don't appreciate being warp scrambled by SE bubbles while Xetic shoot at us while SE stand by eating popcorn. They are supposed to be "neutral".
No , I was refering to the amount of Stain members left in the alliance.
And secondly what different is Stain camping a gate in Hed with Xetic , or Atuk camping SV5 with Stain like I saw during our war with Stain. Was quite hard to effectivly chase Stain back into Stain when Atuk was guarding all the access points for them.
Zandramus
Were ATUK remaining neutral during that conflict? Or where they actually shooting at you along with SE?
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.04.25 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Heid banger
and i guess we can expect to see SE & XF gate camps again??? oops thats right it didnt stop to restart
Originally by: Hollborn
Stain Empire camping HED-GP with Xetic suck big hairy spuds. IMO, If you want to remain neutral camping a gate with one side of the war is not acceptable. Having Stain bubbles scrambling FIVE members while Xetic pound on em is unacceptable.
Signed and signed. Though Xetic will need to undock from 68FT or Z-N to actually move through their own space to get to Stain.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.25 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 13:35:59
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Were ATUK remaining neutral during that conflict? Or where they actually shooting at you along with SE?
Well I remember coming through a camp at SV5 and being told by an Atuk rep whilst sitting next to an SE guy on the gate that Unless I was Blue Atuk would shoot me.
We have always had a good reationship with Atuk, had a good working reationship with them in the Supremecy war. When I announced in local that SAS was not hostile towards Atuk I was basically told not to be there unless I was Blue.
Now I did not want to start anything With Atuk due to our past working arraingments and I managed to run a little deaper into Stain before I was basically camped in By a huge Shinra / BOS Camp. To me it was not worth trying to get any further into Stain to pursue the campain and possible cause more problems than not.
Fact of the matter, the Stain contract was very boring, as they simpley could hide in Stain behind the BBA camps and didnt come to empire for a fight at all. We also didnt feel like traveling 30 + jumps to find 5 guys that would probably dock and log once we got there.
Contract is now completed thank god maybe there will be a little more excitement with this next one. Stain have fun with Smite... it seems they are truely all you can possibly handle, you have been trying to get the same 7 guys out of your space for what 3 months.... truely sad indead.
Zandramus
Zandramus
Parking Violations Officer
Geminate Division
S.A.S
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Hollborn
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Posted - 2005.04.25 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zandramus
Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 13:35:59
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Were ATUK remaining neutral during that conflict? Or where they actually shooting at you along with SE?
Well I remember coming through a camp at SV5 and being told by an Atuk rep whilst sitting next to an SE guy on the gate that Unless I was Blue Atuk would shoot me.
We have always had a good reationship with Atuk, had a good working reationship with them in the Supremecy war. When I announced in local that SAS was not hostile towards Atuk I was basically told not to be there unless I was Blue.
Now I did not want to start anything With Atuk due to our past working arraingments and I managed to run a little deaper into Stain before I was basically camped in By a huge Shinra / BOS Camp. To me it was not worth trying to get any further into Stain to pursue the campain and possible cause more problems than not.
Fact of the matter, the Stain contract was very boring, as they simpley could hide in Stain behind the BBA camps and didnt come to empire for a fight at all. We also didnt feel like traveling 30 + jumps to find 5 guys that would probably dock and log once we got there.
Contract is now completed thank god maybe there will be a little more excitement with this next one. Stain have fun with Smite... it seems they are truely all you can possibly handle, you have been trying to get the same 7 guys out of your space for what 3 months.... truely sad indead.
Zandramus
Sorry...you have lost me now. We (atuk) have been trying to remove SE? Since when?
Or maybe I missunderstood you.
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.25 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 13:46:42
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Sorry...you have lost me now. We (atuk) have been trying to remove SE? Since when?
Hmm dont remember saying that, I think what I said is Atuk was camping a gate with SE while we were executing a contract on SE, thus SE was enjoying a benefit of Atuk being in the area and protecting them
Zandramus
Zandramus
Parking Violations Officer
Geminate Division
S.A.S
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Hollborn
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Posted - 2005.04.25 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Zandramus
Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 13:45:28
Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 13:44:03
Quote:
Sorry...you have lost me now. We (atuk) have been trying to remove SE? Since when?
Hmm dont remember saying that, I think what I said is Atuk was camping a gate with SE while we were executing a contract on SE
Zandramus
hehe. You think the world revolves around your contract against Stain? I wasn't there, but camps go up in and around catch all the time. It probably had nothing to do with your guys attacking. If you weren't blue to atuk then you were just targets for them. This is just Catch for you. It is one of the most blood soaked regions in Eve.
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 14:15:46
edited.
Zandramus
Parking Violations Officer
Geminate Division
S.A.S
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Hollborn
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:18:00 -
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I agree totally. The more targets the better. All I am saying the Xetic/SE camp is totally different because SE are neutral (blue) to us and just sitting there. Both SE and Atuk didn't have you blue so therefore camping and killing you was fair game. I wasn't even in Atuk then (I was in Supremacy) but from what you are saying this is what I have gathered.
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Metal Dude on 25/04/2005 14:38:59
Let everyone fight everyone, including in Empire space. I think Concord should go on strike for a week. That would be the most fun anybody ever had in EVE.
ATUK shoots everyone that is not blue in anybodies space. End of story. We shoot neutrals or hostiles in anybodyÆs gang. Remember how FIX war started? Because they had a FA guy in their gang and when ATUK attacked him, FIX defended them. We have been at war ever since.
If Stain defends Xetic members that are in their gang when we attack them, guess whatÆs going to happen. Now, as long as Stain doesnÆt aggress against us, we will not shoot them, but Stain better warned their members that if they donÆt want a war, make sure not to fire on us when we are killing Xetic in their gang.
All it takes is one little noob that doesnÆt understand to start a war. It would just be safer for Stain and Xetic to have their own gangs when camping and donÆt use bobbles. When we come thru, bobbles donÆt last very long anyways.
The truth will set you free
* Proud to be ATUK * |
Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 14:48:20
Originally by: Metal Dude
Edited by: Metal Dude on 25/04/2005 14:38:59
Let everyone fight everyone, including in Empire space. I think Concord should go on strike for a week. That would be the most fun anybody ever had in EVE.
ATUK shoots everyone that is not blue in anybodies space. End of story. We shoot neutrals or hostiles in anybodyÆs gang. Remember how FIX war started? Because they had a FA guy in their gang and when ATUK attacked him, FIX defended them. We have been at war ever since.
If Stain defends Xetic members that are in their gang when we attack them, guess whatÆs going to happen. Now, as long as Stain doesnÆt aggress against us, we will not shoot them, but Stain better warned their members that if they donÆt want a war, make sure not to fire on us when we are killing Xetic in their gang.
All it takes is one little noob that doesnÆt understand to start a war. It would just be safer for Stain and Xetic to have their own gangs when camping and donÆt use bobbles. When we come thru, bobbles donÆt last very long anyways.
Thats my point, the only difference is Atuk has to many people at blue atm. Honestly didnt want to start anything with Atuk as we had just a good relationship with them against Imperium.
Dunno, just tired of not seeing any valid war targets atm and am getting frustrated at not killing anything in the last 3-4 days. its pretty bad when you got an alliance war going and have to resort to using location agents to find anyone online.
Zandramus
Zandramus
Parking Violations Officer
Geminate Division
S.A.S
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zandramus
Originally by: Metal Dude
Edited by: Metal Dude on 25/04/2005 14:38:59
Let everyone fight everyone, including in Empire space. I think Concord should go on strike for a week. That would be the most fun anybody ever had in EVE.
ATUK shoots everyone that is not blue in anybodies space. End of story. We shoot neutrals or hostiles in anybodyÆs gang. Remember how FIX war started? Because they had a FA guy in their gang and when ATUK attacked him, FIX defended them. We have been at war ever since.
If Stain defends Xetic members that are in their gang when we attack them, guess whatÆs going to happen. Now, as long as Stain doesnÆt aggress against us, we will not shoot them, but Stain better warned their members that if they donÆt want a war, make sure not to fire on us when we are killing Xetic in their gang.
All it takes is one little noob that doesnÆt understand to start a war. It would just be safer for Stain and Xetic to have their own gangs when camping and donÆt use bobbles. When we come thru, bobbles donÆt last very long anyways.
Thats my point, the only difference is Atuk has to many people at blue atm. Honestly didnt want to start anything with Atuk as we had just a good relationship with them against Imperium.
Dunno, just tired of not seeing any valid war targets atm and am getting frustrated at not killing anything in the last 3-4 days.
Zandramus
hehe, I hear you and feel your pain. Too many NAPS these days and not enough folks with balls to come out and really fight. Agents suck.
The truth will set you free
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Bricheno
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Posted - 2005.04.25 16:22:00 -
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Translation: We, the Stain Empire, are too weak to stop anyone and everyone from living in our space. Therefore we will make out that we are allowing everyone to travel through our space so we don't look so ****ty. NAPFTW.
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.25 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bricheno
Translation: We, the Stain Empire, are too weak to stop anyone and everyone from living in our space. Therefore we will make out that we are allowing everyone to travel through our space so we don't look so ****ty. NAPFTW.
True, but grow a pair and post with your main
Zandramus
Zandramus
Parking Violations Officer
Geminate Division
S.A.S
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Svabbi k
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Posted - 2005.04.25 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hollborn
Stain Empire camping HED-GP with Xetic suck big hairy spuds. IMO, If you want to remain neutral camping a gate with one side of the war is not acceptable. Having Stain bubbles scrambling FIVE members while Xetic pound on em is unacceptable.
Yes but if the bubble has sentimental value, you canŠt shoot it tho.
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YES Itsme
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Posted - 2005.04.25 18:16:00 -
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you sas guys are real funny
you complain that se diddnt went to empire to fight you..
why would we go after you in empire, why would we want to do 30 jumps to look for a few sas members
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.25 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 18:31:32
Originally by: YES Itsme
you sas guys are real funny
you complain that se diddnt went to empire to fight you..
why would we go after you in empire, why would we want to do 30 jumps to look for a few sas members
What is it about the forum and alts.
Problem was you guys came to empire but whenever you did you left the Stain alliance to do your business in empire in noob corps only to re join the alliance when you went back to 0.0
Quitting corp and alliance to stay out of war <3
Zandramus
Zandramus
Parking Violations Officer
Geminate Division
S.A.S
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HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2005.04.25 18:57:00 -
[47]
heh Stain = WW2's answer to ireland.
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BeAware
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Posted - 2005.04.25 19:16:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Zandramus
Originally by: Metal Dude
Edited by: Metal Dude on 25/04/2005 14:38:59
Let everyone fight everyone, including in Empire space. I think Concord should go on strike for a week. That would be the most fun anybody ever had in EVE.
ATUK shoots everyone that is not blue in anybodies space. End of story. We shoot neutrals or hostiles in anybodyÆs gang. Remember how FIX war started? Because they had a FA guy in their gang and when ATUK attacked him, FIX defended them. We have been at war ever since.
If Stain defends Xetic members that are in their gang when we attack them, guess whatÆs going to happen. Now, as long as Stain doesnÆt aggress against us, we will not shoot them, but Stain better warned their members that if they donÆt want a war, make sure not to fire on us when we are killing Xetic in their gang.
All it takes is one little noob that doesnÆt understand to start a war. It would just be safer for Stain and Xetic to have their own gangs when camping and donÆt use bobbles. When we come thru, bobbles donÆt last very long anyways.
Thats my point, the only difference is Atuk has to many people at blue atm. Honestly didnt want to start anything with Atuk as we had just a good relationship with them against Imperium.
Dunno, just tired of not seeing any valid war targets atm and am getting frustrated at not killing anything in the last 3-4 days.
Zandramus
hehe, I hear you and feel your pain. Too many NAPS these days and not enough folks with balls to come out and really fight. Agents suck.
Agents Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PVP Sucks kick it out of the game
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La Mila
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Posted - 2005.04.25 19:36:00 -
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Quote:
PVP Sucks kick it out of the game
yeah let's all mine, kick out the npc too so we can all mine everything we want
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Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2005.04.25 19:49:00 -
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This whole situation is very reminisant of pre World War 1, at some point in time Stain is going to have to pick sides, stain is too close to the conflict to remain legitimatly nuetral.
Maybe if you guys are lucky, you can engage in a world's first 3 way fleet battle, i'd love to see a fraps of that :D
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2005.04.25 20:30:00 -
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I see a lot of posts about not fighting bla bla bla, not undocking in z-n and so forth. I have to say one thing and one thing only, BULL&%$^. I have fought in fleet battles every day for the past 3-4 days. They have been great fun, both sides have lost ships, both sides agreed that it was pretty even odds. So please don't say Xetic Dosn't fight when we do fight, maybe not everyone but a good number of us do.
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2005.04.25 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip
I see a lot of posts about not fighting bla bla bla, not undocking in z-n and so forth. I have to say one thing and one thing only, BULL&%$^. I have fought in fleet battles every day for the past 3-4 days. They have been great fun, both sides have lost ships, both sides agreed that it was pretty even odds. So please don't say Xetic Dosn't fight when we do fight, maybe not everyone but a good number of us do.
Welcome to the alliance and corporation e-peen measuring and BS spreading forum. I will be your guide today enjoy your trip.
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.25 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip
I see a lot of posts about not fighting bla bla bla, not undocking in z-n and so forth. I have to say one thing and one thing only, BULL&%$^. I have fought in fleet battles every day for the past 3-4 days. They have been great fun, both sides have lost ships, both sides agreed that it was pretty even odds. So please don't say Xetic Dosn't fight when we do fight, maybe not everyone but a good number of us do.
Are you sure that you posted in the right thread? This is a post about Stain not Xetic...
Zandramus
Zandramus
Parking Violations Officer
Geminate Division
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Valentinian Zeno
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Posted - 2005.04.25 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zandramus
Originally by: DeathGrip
I see a lot of posts about not fighting bla bla bla, not undocking in z-n and so forth. I have to say one thing and one thing only, BULL&%$^. I have fought in fleet battles every day for the past 3-4 days. They have been great fun, both sides have lost ships, both sides agreed that it was pretty even odds. So please don't say Xetic Dosn't fight when we do fight, maybe not everyone but a good number of us do.
Are you sure that you posted in the right thread? This is a post about Stain not Xetic...
Zandramus
Are you sure you posted on the right Forums..These belong to ATUK and SNRA??
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Travling
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Posted - 2005.04.25 21:21:00 -
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WOW can we say that stain has turned into a bunch of P****'*. Let them through so they dont kill you. Bad part is it isnt them you should be worried about.
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.04.25 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zandramus
Originally by: DeathGrip
I see a lot of posts about not fighting bla bla bla, not undocking in z-n and so forth. I have to say one thing and one thing only, BULL&%$^. I have fought in fleet battles every day for the past 3-4 days. They have been great fun, both sides have lost ships, both sides agreed that it was pretty even odds. So please don't say Xetic Dosn't fight when we do fight, maybe not everyone but a good number of us do.
Are you sure that you posted in the right thread? This is a post about Stain not Xetic...
Zandramus
Originally by: thelung187
Signed and signed. Though Xetic will need to undock from 68FT or Z-N to actually move through their own space to get to Stain.
Im sure he did post it in the right thread. Nobody likes a smartass Zandramus.
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Heid banger
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Posted - 2005.04.26 00:47:00 -
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heres the $64,000 question. If we (the 5 corps) come to SE space to get at xetic, will you stay neutral or will u shoot us and say we invaded your space?
If you say the latter then you cant really say you are neutral to both sides of the conflict, as you would be giving safe haven to xetic.
IMHO you (SE) Need to let it be known that if you let xetic stay in your land ,then we must have access to continue our fight.
Failure to do so would be a clear indication of your true intentions.
Heid banger
Nemesis : Retributive justice in its execution or outcome
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Orchestrax
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Posted - 2005.04.26 02:25:00 -
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Haha thanks for the laugh BOOFER
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Roger Dodger
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Posted - 2005.04.26 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Heid banger
heres the $64,000 question. If we (the 5 corps) come to SE space to get at xetic, will you stay neutral or will u shoot us and say we invaded your space?
If you say the latter then you cant really say you are neutral to both sides of the conflict, as you would be giving safe haven to xetic.
IMHO you (SE) Need to let it be known that if you let xetic stay in your land ,then we must have access to continue our fight.
Failure to do so would be a clear indication of your true intentions.
Heid banger
I'm pretty sure that a XETIC member attacking one of the Five members in SE space will be given the same treatment. You have access, you just can't fight XETIC and vice versa in SE space.
Unless I misread.
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Nyk0n
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Posted - 2005.04.26 05:18:00 -
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SE u need to get with the program.....
How can you not see that once they are bored in XETIC that you are next on there "round the map trip"??
They attacked the FA and XETIC supported them thoughout, whilst being a frend of the FA, they turned on them soon after.
Now you support them while they attack youre frend, do you really think that they give a dam about you guys?
Open youre eyes, they are already tryin to bait and belittle you in this very thread.
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Posted - 2005.04.26 09:01:00 -
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Quote:
How can you not see that once they are bored in XETIC that you are next on there "round the map trip"??
They attacked the FA and XETIC supported them thoughout, whilst being a frend of the FA, they turned on them soon after.
The situation is disgraceful in my opinion.
SE, dominated by MASS and friends at the time (probably to some significant extent now too) came to ATUK's calling against FIX. SE as usually said yes. They wanted XETIC to join this unwarranted gangbang but XETIC kept out of it. Offensive action does not beckon a Mutual Defense Pact. Fountain alliance was always neutral to XETIC and again they stayed out of it.
While, groups twist and turn on their former friends, XETIC has has tried to stay on the old CA groups that originally invaded them. They have been loyal to their friends but it is clear that trust is hard to come by.
For a long time now, SE has been the puppets of BOB and ATUK in particular. ATUK fought against CA with XETIC because it was in their interest..nothing more. I still remember ATUK attacking them as members of CA a long time ago and I have never trusted them since. At least now, XETIC has finally removed that superficial sore of its chest.
They will pull through and it seems have finally learned a leason SE can't seem to get. Appeasement of the currently mighty, NEVER get your long term security.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.04.26 09:19:00 -
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If history has tought us anything, its that appeasement always works.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.04.26 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Roger Dodger
Originally by: Heid banger
heres the $64,000 question. If we (the 5 corps) come to SE space to get at xetic, will you stay neutral or will u shoot us and say we invaded your space?
If you say the latter then you cant really say you are neutral to both sides of the conflict, as you would be giving safe haven to xetic.
IMHO you (SE) Need to let it be known that if you let xetic stay in your land ,then we must have access to continue our fight.
Failure to do so would be a clear indication of your true intentions.
Heid banger
I'm pretty sure that a XETIC member attacking one of the Five members in SE space will be given the same treatment. You have access, you just can't fight XETIC and vice versa in SE space.
Unless I misread.
What he meant was, if SE space becomes a refugee camp for Xetic, what will stains stance be.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.04.26 10:35:00 -
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Ok I am new to the south but i always kept tabs on it.
So please bare with me here.
BBA is an alliance of former CA and SA pvpers.Both alliances fought for almost 2 years. In this time a mutual respect was earned by both sides this respect was which BBA was founded on from what I can tell.
Now BOB is an alliance of pvpers similar to BBA.m0o fought SA and from what I can tell SA was the only alliance they respected. Evol fought next to SA frequently seeing as they were a founding member of FA and allies.
Now yes SE is weaker these days due to the formation of BBA. But there are still many old players who remember saving Xetics butt at the expense of their alliances own security and prosperity MANY times.
Frankly I will make a long story short Xetic give us a reason to help you. We no longer feel like we have to. Thats the impression I have gotten. Flamiing us here just gives us more reason to back your enemies. So please stfu and stop shooting urself in the foot with thinly veiled alts. We aren't anybodys puppets we just so happen to have friends that we don't want to fight and don't like YOU.
On a side note I would rather fight SMASH. At least they undock,I have no intrest in entering another gnw situation with idiotic immature flamers with more fire in the forums then from their guns. Sure I might be the worst pvper in the game but at least I keep on going out their and fighting. And any ex-PA or NCA member will tell you I will fight till all I can afford is a freaking noob ship. Many many of the new SE members from what I can tell are the same way.
So please flame on. We are tallying up and seeing who truely is on our side.
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Heid banger
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Posted - 2005.04.26 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Heid banger
heres the $64,000 question. If we (the 5 corps) come to SE space to get at xetic, will you stay neutral or will u shoot us and say we invaded your space?
If you say the latter then you cant really say you are neutral to both sides of the conflict, as you would be giving safe haven to xetic.
IMHO you (SE) Need to let it be known that if you let xetic stay in your land ,then we must have access to continue our fight.
Failure to do so would be a clear indication of your true intentions.
Heid banger
My point is that if ,as you say, your staying neutral but letting xetic stay in your space then we have to be given the rights to go into your space to get to them.
SE are saying they are staying NEUTRAL but imo you are using Double standards when it comes to letting Xetic hide there but we aint allowed access.
Also for you to say that We can come in but not attack thats just bull and you know it. To me its smacks of Hypocrisy and implies that SE arent being totally Neutral and therefore should really be saying they support Xetic by Harbouring them.
Heidbanger
Nemesis : Retributive justice in its execution or outcome
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.26 12:20:00 -
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Imho
Just go into SE and shoot Xetic there if that is where they are hiding, SE is not in a position that they could do anything about it anyways.
Zandramus
Zandramus
Parking Violations Officer
Geminate Division
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Takrolimus
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Posted - 2005.04.26 14:16:00 -
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It simply comes down to this really:
We aim to have control of all XETIC PCSs in the South of eve. Once (If) that happens, XETIC will be unable to operate significantly in 0.0 space, UNLESS, and this is the big unless, they have access to Stains PCSs and use them. If that occurs, you can see why we would want some response from Stain.
If neither we nor Xetic are allowed to dock at stain PCSs, and we can both shoot each other in their space, well then, its less of a problem.
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Estios
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Posted - 2005.04.26 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Estios on 26/04/2005 14:39:15
, this was a Decent Post of Stains intent.
My question was perfectly valid though and I want an answer from the poster.
You state you will not allow conflict in your space. I pose to you that I want clarifcation of 'your space' because if Im chasing a Xetic ship I aint gonna stop for no boarder. Either I die or he dies, I dont care where really but I am keen to know what you will do about it so I can prepare myself. You need to be more clear when making such statements because as some of our guys have already said. At this point in time we dont appreciate your combined gate camps and if you start shooting me whilst Im chasing a Xetic ship into Stain space there is gonna be trouble
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.26 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Takrolimus
It simply comes down to this really:
We aim to have control of all XETIC PCSs in the South of eve. Once (If) that happens, XETIC will be unable to operate significantly in 0.0 space, UNLESS, and this is the big unless, they have access to Stains PCSs and use them. If that occurs, you can see why we would want some response from Stain.
If neither we nor Xetic are allowed to dock at stain PCSs, and we can both shoot each other in their space, well then, its less of a problem.
Well if I remember correctly Xetic can dock at the PCS when I was in Stain a few months ago. So could Rome and Smite. I think it took like a week for the right corp to get Rome and Smite not to be able to dock there so Good luck getting Xetics rights revoked.
I remember lots of Xetic people Mining in BZ and such so I know they could dock there.
Problem with Stain space is there are Tons of NPC stations. If your looking for Xetic try 9rq-l8, Dss-Ez, and 4gq as I think there are a bunch that live there out of those stations.
Zandramus
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Lord Darkness
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:40:00 -
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Actually their problems run a lot deeper than that the majority of the Smash Alliance in one form or another has been operating in SE since Feb '04.
Originally by: Zandramus
Edited by: Zandramus on 25/04/2005 13:35:59
Quote:
Were ATUK remaining neutral during that conflict? Or where they actually shooting at you along with SE?
Well I remember coming through a camp at SV5 and being told by an Atuk rep whilst sitting next to an SE guy on the gate that Unless I was Blue Atuk would shoot me.
We have always had a good reationship with Atuk, had a good working reationship with them in the Supremecy war. When I announced in local that SAS was not hostile towards Atuk I was basically told not to be there unless I was Blue.
Now I did not want to start anything With Atuk due to our past working arraingments and I managed to run a little deaper into Stain before I was basically camped in By a huge Shinra / BOS Camp. To me it was not worth trying to get any further into Stain to pursue the campain and possible cause more problems than not.
Fact of the matter, the Stain contract was very boring, as they simpley could hide in Stain behind the BBA camps and didnt come to empire for a fight at all. We also didnt feel like traveling 30 + jumps to find 5 guys that would probably dock and log once we got there.
Contract is now completed thank god maybe there will be a little more excitement with this next one. Stain have fun with Smite... it seems they are truely all you can possibly handle, you have been trying to get the same 7 guys out of your space for what 3 months.... truely sad indead.
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Fonseca Toblerone
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Posted - 2005.04.26 18:37:00 -
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Do we all throw common sense out the window because its a game?
Obviously, there is a conflict of interest as there is too many friends, who have friends whose the enemy of a friend. Just stick to rule; if its not blue either shoot or run, depending on the situation. Its that simple.
I thought Boofer said travel rights, not hot hiding rights. You normally have to pay a tax for that I really don't think anyone from any side of ANY conflict should be hiding in a neutral sides space.... that's lame. Its like the ****'s hiding in Sweden. Sorry, if that upset anyone but its the best I could come up with.
Oh, and all SE pilots where asked only to gang with other SE pilots. So, if you see any of them in a gang with people on the other sides of this conflict. Do as you see fit. They where going against the wishes of SE anyway. If that's not true my CEO is lying to me.
These opinions are my own. Just calling it as I see it.
P.S. Feel free to call me a n00b but there is very little to get in this game, if you have a clue.
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Fonseca Toblerone
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Posted - 2005.04.26 18:42:00 -
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Why is the political party that was in control of Germany during WWII starred out? Is that someones attempt to re-write history.
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2005.04.26 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lachenlaud
As Minister of Foreign Affairs for the Xetic Federation, please be advised that Members of the Official 'Stain Empire' Alliance will have similar rights in XF Space.
I have requested that all XF Pilots refrain from hostilities. This decision is pending confirmation from the XF Council which will convene to discuss the matter further.
I see this as a step forward in healing the rift between the Xetic Federation and the Stain Empire.
Originally by: cordy
Edited by: cordy on 25/04/2005 05:10:54
Signed
XF-President
WTF??? I know both of you two. One of you was one of my all time favorite "underlings" and one of you was one of my all time favorite SWI women. Wow, looks like most of the old Second Wave, Inc have earend fame and notarity after all (or in the case of the 4, infamy). WTF?
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evil essence
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Posted - 2005.04.26 21:14:00 -
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hurry up and shoot someone so my corp members have something to do and will stop shooting at me!!!
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.04.26 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Alucard
So please flame on. We are tallying up and seeing who truely is on our side.
Ironic that I respond to you. Man, how times change...
XF doesn't have anything to prove to anyone IMO. If SE doesn't like us, sorry. Let me repaint this picture from an XF P.O.V.
We all fought CA. ATUK/SE/XF. Each of us took our turn at getting our noses bloodied while CA tears the individual separate entities apart. XF did drag it's feet while getting in the war. That is neither here nor there, it's water under the bridge now. CLS was not in the alliance when it happened, but had SE not attacked XF previously, then I'm sure XF would have helped sooner. Point is, we had a nice big happy war together. ATUK/SE/XF vs CA & Co. CA disbands, corps leave, whatever. XF and SE continue to go after targets of interest, but not really as a joint team anymore.
Then there's a nice lull in the battles. PvP'ers get bored, and make new targets. SE goes after FIX. XF goes after FoE, SE and CELES... For the most part, both of us resign from employing the MDP. We don't go after FIX. SE doesn't want a real part of FoE conflict.
MASS all of a sudden goes claiming ancient ancestral grounds all over the map. Others make a new -V- alliance in Curse. Foundation and Kieretsu start and then stop a war. Anyways, alliances start popping up everywhere, and oh noes! Pirates too! Burn Eden, ROME, and others decend on SE. Up until this point, the vast majority of xCA space was "Allied protectorate." All allied forces had travel rights to all zones.
Another nice lull in big battles, but no real "bad guy" to go after. So PvP'ers simply leave. SE lost the majority of it's Pvp'ers in about 3 weeks. XF didn't lose any PvP'ers at this point (we don't have any, remember ) I hang around Catch w/ SE (FC Raptor, now my favorite primary target ) and ATUK folks, often on both of their TS's chasing down anyone that didn't belong in our areas, especially in SE space.
Somewhere along the line RA attacks XF, but... whoops, SE?? Nope, they didn't come over for that one afaik. I don't remember going on the joint SE/XF raid into RA space anyways, maybe I was too drunk to remember. Help my memory though if I missed something.
And then this one. ATUK/SUPRM/BOS/SHINRA and Black Reign form a new alliance in Curse. They do this, without any real official consulting of the owners of the area. It "was" still Allied protectorate afaik. that doesn't really concern anyone though tbh, and wasn't a big deal. ATUK was our friends, so no worries. Until we learn that they only came into CA to start a new PvP monstrocity, similar to CA, just without all the fat and politics. TBH, it sounded appealing, but that's not the point. The thing is, they were coming after XF, and coming to try and kill us off. So that wasn't so cool...
Which would almost catch us up to present day, except for a couple things. Somewhere along the line, Other SE corps decided to leave the IGA and come after XF too. So it's not just the Curse 5. It's now MASS/Shado Company/IGS and several others waging direct war in conjunction with the Curse 5. Problem is, SE was giving outright travel rights to MASS & Co, and turning a blind eye to all other infractions.
MASS still has docking priviledges at SE conquerable stations, as do several other ppl waging war on XF atm. I'm pretty sure up until that point is factual, feel free to cross check, although I'm sure other people have different perspectives on the same events.
Now... Pls don't expect XF to come crawling to SE for forgiveness, acceptance, friendship, assitance or whatever it is that some people may think that XF needs from external entities. XF is hands down the strongest it has ever been. I doubt any other alliance could have fought as hard and as effectively as XF has against all these combined forces. Our members have never been prouder to be XF than right now.
So it's not a flame, Lucian. It's not a request. On a personal view, I would have liked to see SE actually BE neutral to all parties rather than just say you were and do otherwise. But I think most people can understand and sympathize with SE and the bridges you have made and burned over time. However, XF and SE rescinded all ties weeks ago, I was on TS when it happened. In starting from ground zero again, we now have travel rights into each others space, which probably means little to SE, but at least allows us to pursue MASS & Co back into SE space while they re-equip and pick up supplies.
So that's about where it stands Lucian. I would have hoped to see more respect granted to the members of XF, but have come to expect this. We have been able to do what I think no other alliance could have done atm, but that's just a personal view. And we don't need to give SE or Eve-O "a reason to help XF." We fight for ourselves, and what we believe.
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.04.26 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Heid banger
Originally by: Heid banger
heres the $64,000 question. If we (the 5 corps) come to SE space to get at xetic, will you stay neutral or will u shoot us and say we invaded your space?
If you say the latter then you cant really say you are neutral to both sides of the conflict, as you would be giving safe haven to xetic.
IMHO you (SE) Need to let it be known that if you let xetic stay in your land ,then we must have access to continue our fight.
Failure to do so would be a clear indication of your true intentions.
Heid banger
My point is that if ,as you say, your staying neutral but letting xetic stay in your space then we have to be given the rights to go into your space to get to them.
SE are saying they are staying NEUTRAL but imo you are using Double standards when it comes to letting Xetic hide there but we aint allowed access.
Also for you to say that We can come in but not attack thats just bull and you know it. To me its smacks of Hypocrisy and implies that SE arent being totally Neutral and therefore should really be saying they support Xetic by Harbouring them.
Heidbanger
I took it the other way Heid. I'm not sure who is in SE space from XF that is not actively hunting targets. We had other fish to fry recently. If you see anyone from XF mining over there, pls kill them for me
Besides, I thought you guys always had travel rights? At least ATUK and MASS anyways... Sure appeared that way on my timezone, maybe it's different on others.
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2005.04.26 22:30:00 -
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I have one thing to say, and its the only thing you all need to know. XETIC and DDC ROCK. Lets keep up the great fights, and screw all this diplomatic stuff.
This is my point of view not Xetic's nor DDC's. Even though I am sure that many agree on both sides.
[i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even |
Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.04.26 22:42:00 -
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Well Krapz, there are a few things that need to be looked at from our angle.
1.) SE is under new management
2.) SE is walking a tight rope
3.) Its not that we don't like you but its that we don't want to be dragged into something that doesn't concern us,the new SE. If either side does attack us we will jump in.
4.) I only post my thoughts opinions and things as i see from my pov and do not speak for my corp or alliance and when I do so I make it clear that I am.
and btw why is it Ironic for you to repl to me? Have i met u befor or something? I personally have dealt with your corp in the past and have friends in XF,XF are good peeps.I just am personally sick of everyone and their mother dumping on SE and then when I get into space I see that the flamers are truely full of it. Which tends to irk me. I have a short temper btw.
Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass. |
Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.04.26 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Krapz
And then this one. ATUK/SUPRM/BOS/SHINRA and Black Reign form a new alliance in Curse. They do this, without any real official consulting of the owners of the area. It "was" still Allied protectorate afaik. that doesn't really concern anyone though tbh, and wasn't a big deal. ATUK was our friends, so no worries. Until we learn that they only came into CA to start a new PvP monstrocity, similar to CA, just without all the fat and politics. TBH, it sounded appealing, but that's not the point. The thing is, they were coming after XF, and coming to try and kill us off. So that wasn't so cool...
Excuse me? I think we went over this before. There were extensive talks about the new æFIVEÆ alliance with all parties in the area, including RA, SE and Xetic. Xetic agreed (reluctantly) but went behind our back to form a coalition to defend against us æin caseÆ we attacked. Then Xetic went and shot a member of æFIVEÆ breaking the agreement because of their paranoia and thatÆs why we are at war now. Stained stayed out of it and are friends of ours to this day. So donÆt go blaming anybody for your troubles but yourselves. OK?
The truth will set you free
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2005.04.26 23:05:00 -
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Quote:
Excuse me? I think we went over this before. There were extensive talks about the new æFIVEÆ alliance with all parties in the area, including RA, SE and Xetic. Xetic agreed (reluctantly) but went behind our back to form a coalition to defend against us æin caseÆ we attacked. Then Xetic went and shot a member of æFIVEÆ breaking the agreement because of their paranoia and thatÆs why we are at war now. Stained stayed out of it and are friends of ours to this day. So donÆt go blaming anybody for your troubles but yourselves. OK?
We have been bending our back to accomodate ATUK for far too long. No one likes you. You have turned on us before.
We ALWAYS have friendly fire incidents and normally they are worked out. Its just the ones with other intentions that never want to work anything out. I've heard it from SE before a war, CA before their invasion and ATUK on two occasions.
Just keep on plotting. You made 5000 enemies that are not just going to disappear.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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evil essence
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Posted - 2005.04.26 23:30:00 -
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since this original post is about Stain space, i will now put this info in its proper place, as i have put it in the Xetic post so they can have a good laugh.
As I am writing this, someone is stealing all of the ships in Stain space (riddlock im told to tell you thanks for the tempest donation!!!)
WTT:riddlocks tempest for a vagabond plz contact stradivarious for info
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Lord Draco
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Posted - 2005.04.26 23:32:00 -
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Primer Xenius, I tried many times to get you to stop DDC from firing on Shinra. I mean, we had all the provocation in the world and yet your guys saw fit to instigate a war. Clearly your 'governemnt' had no power to enforce your members to respect us and to not shoot at us.
There will be no little links to some obscure chatlog to cry about this time.
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Stradivarious
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Posted - 2005.04.26 23:36:00 -
[83]
Shhh Evil, let me get it out of the system first :p
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2005.04.26 23:45:00 -
[84]
Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
heh Stain = WW2's answer to ireland.
Watch your mouth boy
" Stay Frosty "
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.04.26 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Primer Xenius
Quote:
Excuse me? I think we went over this before. There were extensive talks about the new æFIVEÆ alliance with all parties in the area, including RA, SE and Xetic. Xetic agreed (reluctantly) but went behind our back to form a coalition to defend against us æin caseÆ we attacked. Then Xetic went and shot a member of æFIVEÆ breaking the agreement because of their paranoia and thatÆs why we are at war now. Stained stayed out of it and are friends of ours to this day. So donÆt go blaming anybody for your troubles but yourselves. OK?
We have been bending our back to accomodate ATUK for far too long. No one likes you. You have turned on us before.
We ALWAYS have friendly fire incidents and normally they are worked out. Its just the ones with other intentions that never want to work anything out. I've heard it from SE before a war, CA before their invasion and ATUK on two occasions.
Just keep on plotting. You made 5000 enemies that are not just going to disappear.
Aha. Now I get it. You started this war because you donÆt like us. Great. We donÆt like you either. Bending over backwards for us? Hmm. I think you have been bending over alright, and getting reamed in the process.
You always have friendly incidents after you agree to a NAP, break it, form a coalition against, follow orders of your leaders to shoot first and then you are forgiven? Yea, right. We are not that forgiving. Sorry.
As for the 5K enamies, every member of 'FIVE' will say the same thing. BRING IT!
The truth will set you free
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.04.27 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude
[Excuse me? I think we went over this before. There were extensive talks about the new æFIVEÆ alliance with all parties in the area, including RA, SE and Xetic. Xetic agreed (reluctantly) but went behind our back to form a coalition to defend against us æin caseÆ we attacked. Then Xetic went and shot a member of æFIVEÆ breaking the agreement because of their paranoia and thatÆs why we are at war now. Stained stayed out of it and are friends of ours to this day. So donÆt go blaming anybody for your troubles but yourselves. OK?
Paranoia? 5 pvp corps with a history of being enemies of xetic park right next door. Planning to defend against you for when not if when you attacked was prudent. As for SE being valued friends I think the correct term is called "client state." Where you dictate terms to them and they're too weak to say no. As for blaming someone for our think troubles no I think we can pretty much blame Atuk. Atuk, brought our enemies to our doorstep and brought this war to our house. Now it's just a matter for the guns to finish talking.
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2005.04.27 01:09:00 -
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first of all the rest of atuk will refrain from posting again on this post.
Right, nice one stain on opening up the space and stuff, as far as remaining neutral that ofc is what we assumed would be your position in this. Fully respect your guys stance on this even if some of my guys wonder about your camps with xeitc in hed but hey ho.
Anyways as an ATUK director i acknowledge stains move to open their space and look forward to passing through soon.
Stan
STAN
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2005.04.27 04:05:00 -
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Quote:
Primer Xenius, I tried many times to get you to stop DDC from firing on Shinra. I mean, we had all the provocation in the world and yet your guys saw fit to instigate a war. Clearly your 'governemnt' had no power to enforce your members to respect us and to not shoot at us.
There will be no little links to some obscure chatlog to cry about this time.
You are correct about the hostilities between Shinra and DDC. I tried to get you and DDC to discuss it but your mutual hate runs very deep. Its unfortunate this has occured and I can almost understand your reasons. Unfortunately, there is a lot more to this. There is the usual lure of power which turns a perfectly solvable incident into an excuse for something else. It was not long ago when Shinra was talking with XETIC for pressure against Imperium. How things change so quickly when ATUK starts to scheme.
As for SE, at one stage, not even as long ago as when we all fought together against CA with words of honor on the stability of our relationship, we came to the defense of SE when the RED alliance declared upon SE. What do we get in return?
We get half of SE trying to take a western region from XETIC while the other half looks on blindly letting them fly through their space and throws the Mutual Defense back in our face.
In regards to ATUK, they have new friends now and a new master plan and in their usually fashion they betray their former. I saw it against CA, against us when they were in CA and here again today.
Times change fast but memories fade slow. Trust is the only thing ATUK and the ex-SE will kill.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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HeadHunta II
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Posted - 2005.04.27 12:00:00 -
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Definition of "neutral":
"Not engaged on either side; not taking part with or assisting either of two or more contending parties"
Now go think about it again.
"Get in where u fit in!"
"-V- Minister of foreign affairs"
"CEO Ascendancy-Inc."
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.04.27 15:08:00 -
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zzzzzzzzzzzzz boring
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Pathfinda75
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Posted - 2005.04.27 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: evil essence
since this original post is about Stain space, i will now put this info in its proper place, as i have put it in the Xetic post so they can have a good laugh.
As I am writing this, someone is stealing all of the ships in Stain space (riddlock im told to tell you thanks for the tempest donation!!!)
WTT:riddlocks tempest for a vagabond plz contact stradivarious for info
I guess thats one way to make up for your losses 
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Destroyer Draxx
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Posted - 2005.04.29 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: Destroyer Draxx on 29/04/2005 01:28:10
So Far So Good....So What |
cordy
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Posted - 2005.04.29 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Originally by: Lachenlaud
As Minister of Foreign Affairs for the Xetic Federation, please be advised that Members of the Official 'Stain Empire' Alliance will have similar rights in XF Space.
I have requested that all XF Pilots refrain from hostilities. This decision is pending confirmation from the XF Council which will convene to discuss the matter further.
I see this as a step forward in healing the rift between the Xetic Federation and the Stain Empire.
Originally by: cordy
Edited by: cordy on 25/04/2005 05:10:54
Signed
XF-President
WTF??? I know both of you two. One of you was one of my all time favorite "underlings" and one of you was one of my all time favorite SWI women. Wow, looks like most of the old Second Wave, Inc have earend fame and notarity after all (or in the case of the 4, infamy). WTF?
Well your still one of my favorites ^^ strange how things go hehe *still wub you tho * enemy or not :)
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evil essence
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Posted - 2005.04.29 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Pathfinda75
Originally by: evil essence
since this original post is about Stain space, i will now put this info in its proper place, as i have put it in the Xetic post so they can have a good laugh.
As I am writing this, someone is stealing all of the ships in Stain space (riddlock im told to tell you thanks for the tempest donation!!!)
WTT:riddlocks tempest for a vagabond plz contact stradivarious for info
I guess thats one way to make up for your losses
Losses??? How can we lose anything if stain is always running off?? I dont think many of us are losing much to you ppl. If we were, why would we go to stain space hunting for you???
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joefishy
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Posted - 2005.04.30 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: joefishy on 30/04/2005 14:33:39
just here to say stain do fight .. they just skilled in the form of "ze blob" useully but still fight :) so its all good ..
just putting some anti flame in :)
but we dont lose much :)
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Mis Exodus
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Posted - 2005.04.30 15:39:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Primer Xenius
Quote:
You are correct about the hostilities between Shinra and DDC. I tried to get you and DDC to discuss it but your mutual hate runs very deep. Its unfortunate this has occured and I can almost understand your reasons. Unfortunately, there is a lot more to this. There is the usual lure of power which turns a perfectly solvable incident into an excuse for something else. It was not long ago when Shinra was talking with XETIC for pressure against Imperium. How things change so quickly when ATUK starts to scheme.
As for SE, at one stage, not even as long ago as when we all fought together against CA with words of honor on the stability of our relationship, we came to the defense of SE when the RED alliance declared upon SE. What do we get in return?
We get half of SE trying to take a western region from XETIC while the other half looks on blindly letting them fly through their space and throws the Mutual Defense back in our face.
In regards to ATUK, they have new friends now and a new master plan and in their usually fashion they betray their former. I saw it against CA, against us when they were in CA and here again today.
Times change fast but memories fade slow. Trust is the only thing ATUK and the ex-SE will kill.
wel you started the war so that mutaul defense pack wont work, or you guys must have had a mutaul attack pact too.
and attacking the friends of se isnt the best thing also if you want them to help you, and now they are indeed weak because most pvp corps left, but seems there getting it a bit better again
and as i have read the forums i saw se people claiming xetic diddnt helped se much atall but i dont know about that as not being in xetic or se (only reading forum, love the flames )
but i see alot xetic saying things on the forums that wont make the se people happy.. like as tratoirs..weak..etc
ooh and that sca stuff was funny too
xetic is on the making enemies tour
i wonder if se ever gets enough of xetic flaming them
interesting times 
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.04.30 18:29:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Liet Traep
Originally by: Metal Dude
[Excuse me? I think we went over this before. There were extensive talks about the new æFIVEÆ alliance with all parties in the area, including RA, SE and Xetic. Xetic agreed (reluctantly) but went behind our back to form a coalition to defend against us æin caseÆ we attacked. Then Xetic went and shot a member of æFIVEÆ breaking the agreement because of their paranoia and thatÆs why we are at war now. Stained stayed out of it and are friends of ours to this day. So donÆt go blaming anybody for your troubles but yourselves. OK?
Paranoia? 5 pvp corps with a history of being enemies of xetic park right next door. Planning to defend against you for when not if when you attacked was prudent. As for SE being valued friends I think the correct term is called "client state." Where you dictate terms to them and they're too weak to say no. As for blaming someone for our think troubles no I think we can pretty much blame Atuk. Atuk, brought our enemies to our doorstep and brought this war to our house. Now it's just a matter for the guns to finish talking.
Your arguement is soooo invalid. CA (Shinra was CA!) fought SA/SE for a long time. And yet we are not at war with SE, nor have we shot any SE vehicle on purpose. You're up.
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shivan
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Posted - 2005.05.01 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
I'd also like to let it be known that Xetic has been allowing me to travel freely through their space.
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Unleashed
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Posted - 2005.05.01 06:15:00 -
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Edited by: Unleashed on 01/05/2005 06:14:59
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
WTF??? I know both of you two. One of you was one of my all time favorite "underlings" and one of you was one of my all time favorite SWI women. Wow, looks like most of the old Second Wave, Inc have earend fame and notarity after all (or in the case of the 4, infamy). WTF?
funny isnt it, the underlings went on to become (possibly) the most powerful people in eve, while us 'oldbies' just continued to be.. insignificant. 
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>currently training to level 5: sexual tyrannosaurus / Rank 8 /
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Threx
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Posted - 2005.05.01 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Threx on 01/05/2005 07:33:34
I hope who ever travels though stain not to expect safety under any circumstances there paragon is a warzone all of stain is down there and men are all over friendly and enemy dont expect a sanctuary of any sort in stain because you'll recieve quite the opposite
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Branmuffin
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Posted - 2005.05.01 10:36:00 -
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Its kind of wierd becuase Stain is such defendable space
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Grim Hauler
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Posted - 2005.05.01 12:52:00 -
[102]
yahh |
joefishy
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Posted - 2005.05.01 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: joefishy on 01/05/2005 13:11:23
YEah considering that stain is getting assraped in pargon soul region and all there forces are down there mostly with only carebears up north .. i think the north of stain is open to anyone that can be arsed to go there and claim it :)
YAAARRRR
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