It's almost as if providing a reasoned counter-argument based on facts and logic is more persausive to CCP than forum trolling.



Almost.

Going to agree about the barge buffs. Mining vessels having comparing ehp values to combat ships simply makes little sense and is utterly lacking immersion...

Ive played on and off since Beta. I'm a carebear. How does that fit in your argument?

The OP seems to think that this game is a PVP space ship game. The fact that the majority of the game is built around pure economics rather than Pew Pew seems to be lost on most people.

To say people playing in high sec aren't playing the game right is to totally ignore the fact that they are playing the game as CCP created it.

Please, do you honestly see CCP doing something drastic as this ? The most "extreme" thing they would do is add some more aur fashion items. Eve will always be a game for older niche crowd, its never going to attract 12 year olds as long as it has skill training. As much as i miss eve from 2007 I think it has improved for the better.

HOW is more PVP a bad thing for pvp guys ? The only difference is that you will probably be attacked by other players more often now. Please don't have double standards about pvp.

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Honestly, if you consider ganking good PvP you must live a very shallow life.

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I love it. You people throw away millions of ISK to grief people that live in highsec, then yell that highsec is too lucrative and call for a nerf. And the dumb assed parrots echo your party line.

oh yeah... cause the buff to destroyers followed by a buff to blasters plus the introduction of tier 3 battlecruisers were there to help the miners. oh yeah.....

There are plenty of experienced pilots outside Hisec. Go hunt them.

Oh wait, you don't want to do that because it is hard .... and you can't unilaterally dictate the terms of engagement.

You might lose. It's only fun when other people lose, not when you lose.

Yeah. Tough guys...

I could agree for the Hulk, but saying that Macks tank was fine is totally dumb. With an Hulk you could sacrifice all the efficiency to get some tank and hope to survive, with a Mack it was just an exercise of frustration and also explained why almost half of the ice mining ships were not Macks.

As for the "tank around same as a curse", it's not like a Curse has a transatlantic sized signature, 80m/s top speed, 17s align time and is tied to a rock.

How many curse kills by a catalyst are there? Maybe, just maybe the game designers take in some other factor besides the pure numbers?

So what's the problem? If this changes little, why all the tears?

Because it's NOT the same after the patch. We both know it. Gankers are losing some of their safety.

If it's no big deal, why do we have a 10 page thread full of crying by the gankers?

And no, Curse pilots are not smarter than miners, it's just that their ship allows them to defend themselves, thus them not being easy-targets for suicide-gankers.

While your efforts to make everyone believe that miners are dumb and you are smart-asses are funny to be witnessed, suicide gankers are still the biggest risk-averse nooblets in this game. There's no risk when your loss is predetermined, remember.

You need to stop with the holier than thou attitude.

If a miner doesn't fit tank, you can gank. If he does, it might cost too much to make it worth it, but you could still do it if you simply bring enough ships.

I see that as fair. CCP doesn't owe you a guaranteed profit margin. The way you want it, the gankers ALWAYS have the complete advantage over miners. That isn't fair.

EVE will become a "massively single player game" whether we like it or not. Those are the types of players CCP wants - they want the commercial success of ToR, STO and SWG, all of which remain very active and have had steady subscriber growth without significant declines.

The thing I think is funny here is that you have been playing for two years, and yet you presume to tell the forums what Eve was like in its infancy. When I began, highsec was safe. You went to low sec if you wanted pvp. You went to null sec if you wanted wars.

I can't claim to know what Eve was like in the very beginning, but 6 years ago, there was little or no high sec piracy, except for can flippers and the like. It may be a nerf as you say, but it is a nerf of something that has grown, not something that was around since 2003.

1) Stop ganking those freighters if you believe so and sit watching. I am sure that others will do it in your place.
2) The barges EHP buff is both a good thing and a tragedy.

- It's a good thing because ships should be killed based on their unwary owners carrying valuable stuff not because the bare hull is precious yet illogically unprotected. So, logically speaking, this has been a step ahead.

- It's a tragedy because they should have put a credible other risk in place of what they removed. IE make T2 mining mods valuable enough to make it worth killing those ships. IE shift the "I should gank this guy" decision from the bare hull to the contents or mods. Shift, not remove.

You act like it is brain surgery to gank someone. Protip it isn't, that is why all you nubs are able to do it.

Don't use that tired line. The only reason you are doing it is so you can shout on the forums look at me, look what I can do. It's because you are a bunch of asses that have nothing better to do.

Perhaps CCP realized that there are simply not enough hard core PVPers to make the company highly profitable, and that they need to make the game have different areas, to appeal to different player types, with different play styles. Perhaps EVE is no longer a highly PVP oriented game, and is a more balanced game which accommodates more people with a wider variety of play styles.



There are PLENTY of PVPers that want to PVP. So, go PVP with each other.

What I do not understand is why those that want to PVP insist on being able to PVP against those players that have no interest in PVP. What's that matter? You really suck at PVP, so can't win a fight against someone that is ready and looking for a fight... so you prefer to only PVP against those with no interest in PVP, that are not ready for or looking for a fight?


I have not heard that CCP plans to remove your ability to PVP against other players that want to PVP against you. If two people want to fight, CCP is very PRO them fighting.

What I've seen is CCP reluctant to let the people that want to PVP again non-PVPers, force the non-PVPers out of the game.


So, if you want to PVP, go PVP against other players that want to PVP, and stop trying to push all the non-PVPers out of the game.

which some alliances compensate to it's failed players.

actually in fact, a key part of the incursion community (mostly highsec) is due to cop a hit due to ceetain low/null seccers shortly. That is the ones who park thier boosters inside a pos shield for unkillable fleet boosts. Incursion boosts will soon have to waste an ongrid dps/logi slot or 2 that or have no boosts anymore. All because of the actions of a few "risk adverse" low/null folks. Whats to be said about that?

they could have just had the pos shield block ALL effects from passing in either direction. There was no need to remove off grid boosting, why is is so hard for people to scan down ships? I trained scanning skills for like 3 days and have done plenty of scanning easy, in a t1 frig. Im sure a cloaked frig with a warp scram and a t3 bc would be able to bounce and kill an opposing fleets booster hiding in empty space.

I always got the impression that things were done like pro's in low/null and thats why they saw themselves as being better than high seccers. But guess not and cause of that a high sec activity is also going to be affected. Go figure!

I understand piracy perfectly.

The point is that if piracy is too easy, then it will cause those players with no interest in PVP to quit the game. This will cause CCP revenue to go down. This will cause CCP to make piracy less easy and profitable.

The OP seems to be lamenting that CCP is ruining the game by making piracy more difficult. I'm saying that CCP is saving the game by making it profitable to operate the game, by increasing the number of active subscriptions, by making it welcoming to players with no interest in PVP, by making piracy more difficult.


OH... if CCP would just make piracy easier, I'd have more fun killing carebears. WRONG! If CCP made piracy easier, the carebears would stop playing. Then the only people that would be in game are the other people that want to PVP.

So, you can PVP against other players that want to PVP now, and leave the carebears alone. Or, CCP could let you pick on the carebears, drive them all out of game.... then you could PVP against only the other people that want to PVP because that is all that is left in game.


What CCP lacks, is the ability to make it easy for you to pirate caerbears AND for there to be lots of carebears for you to pirate from. Since CCP lacks the ability to force people to play, they lack the ability to force them to be easy targets for pirates. CCP can have one of the other(lots of carebears OR easy to pirate carebears), but CCP can not have both. CCP has chosen to have lots of carebears, by making it harder for PVPers to pirate from them.

Does anyone else find baltec1 's smirk annoying? Well done baltec1, if it's intended it ******* works.

OP is butthurt i teabagged him after knifing him in a corner while he was fullautoing with a M60 down a long hallway in 64 ppl Metro

thnaks for the dogtags beyotch