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clanbuilder
Nimatek Innodustries
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:39:00 -
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Yes,
It's fully understandable that a game like this has it everyday, now im gonna explain this with some math.
31x ( the average month has 31 days , 365/12 ) .5 hours
15 hours of time ATLEAST that is payed for and that every player can't play.
It would be much more fair if those downtime hours were not reducted, infact. I am paying to play, so when i have payed i like to play. And i'm glad for the downtime and the active updating, but for that, we already pay.
now i agree that 15 hours a month is not much, and i am a casual player so its not like i am writing this to be a pain in one's ass. but if one would calculate this for the entire eve player database.
wich would be like 50,000x that 15 hours, CCP is getting rich!!
how do yall think 'bout this? It's common for games not to care for those kinds of things, but when for example my IE provider simply cannot maintain to provide me with my internet, that i pay for, then i simply switch, it's their loose. So what does that provider do? Reimburse you with either a offer or anything. They try to let you feel they actually want you as a costumer.
I think im not the only one saying CCP doesn't give that feeling at all. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:41:00 -
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So, how many accounts you gonna unsub? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
257
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:41:00 -
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clanbuilder wrote: how do yall think 'bout this?
I honestly have no idea what the above drivel means.
Less alcohol/drugs might help you sound less like a dribbling idiot.
Alternatively more alcohol/drugs (for me) might help me understand the drivel.
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1107
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:42:00 -
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It might seem that way from the outside but downtime allows CCP to ensure some very important things happen in terms of upkeep and maintenance to the Database.
I think the average 30 minutes a day is a good compromise rather then taking a day offline to rebuild the database and rollback ISD Suvetar,-áCaptain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department We are hiring! |
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illirdor
The Grey Eagle Society
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:42:00 -
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clanbuilder wrote: wich would be like 50,000x that 15 hours, CCP is getting rich!!
Riiiight cause they just sit on their ass when there is downtime..... one big money machine!
Come to Amamake... The universal answer to everything... |
clanbuilder
Nimatek Innodustries
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:46:00 -
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i like the hostility in here :) about dribbling and drugs,
actually what i just wanted to hear was others opinion about this, not some fuckd up comment thats off topic anyway :)
so narrow, The mind closed for the public
oh and i wasn't even talking about unsubbing, if i were to it was only one character anyways :) |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:48:00 -
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I was going to do a down time "back in the day" post but i don't think its needed... - Nulla Curas |
JackknifedII
Battlestar Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:48:00 -
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Unless you are on some weird "pay per hour" deal, nothing you have said makes any logical sense whatsoever Minmatar....we are generally unpleasent to be around....
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:50:00 -
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It's CCPs way of throwing a bone to its players with social anxiety, allowing them to shave, **** and shower without the pressure of feeling like they are missing out on EVE time. |
Alice Saki
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
21136
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:51:00 -
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OP.... Really?
2/10 cause some ppl took you srsly All You're Likes Belong to Me. |
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
891
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:52:00 -
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clanbuilder wrote:Yes,
It's fully understandable that a game like this has it everyday, now im gonna explain this with some math.
31x ( the average month has 31 days , 365/12 ) .5 hours
15 hours of time ATLEAST that is payed for and that every player can't play.
It would be much more fair if those downtime hours were not reducted, infact. I am paying to play, so when i have payed i like to play. And i'm glad for the downtime and the active updating, but for that, we already pay.
now i agree that 15 hours a month is not much, and i am a casual player so its not like i am writing this to be a pain in one's ass. but if one would calculate this for the entire eve player database.
wich would be like 50,000x that 15 hours, CCP is getting rich!!
how do yall think 'bout this? It's common for games not to care for those kinds of things, but when for example my IE provider simply cannot maintain to provide me with my internet, that i pay for, then i simply switch, it's their loose. So what does that provider do? Reimburse you with either a offer or anything. They try to let you feel they actually want you as a costumer.
I think im not the only one saying CCP doesn't give that feeling at all. There maybe other ways to prevent any down time but the only one I am aware of is a system used in the military and some stock exchanges where you have 3 identical systems with a main sever, a beta and a back up, the main copies all data two the other two continuously unless one is down for maintenance. Then any maintenance required on alpha (the main server) is done while beta is online.
This gives a seamless swap over between the servers with no delays. It also costs an absolute fortune and is not suitable for an MMORPG.
We get down time but we don't really pay that much for so much server time. CCP is not getting rich from this down time and all MMORPG's have down time of one kind or another. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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clanbuilder
Nimatek Innodustries
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:56:00 -
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lol, for those players its a good thing ofcourse. although i dont get it why people seem to find my statement unlogical in any way.
what i was pointing at is if i purchase my month, i get 30 days, ( wich isnt even the average based on a year ) then comes DT everyday, get it?
it really should be 31 days atleast...
and if anyone disagrees then come with a better argument instead of bullshit.
so @Frying Doom,
I am aware of a system like that, and i agree it's really the only way possible. And also right away impossible for eve.
but as i said before all i wanted were other people's opinion, otherwhise i would have petitioned it right away instead of dropping it into the eve community
and a tiny omg for the girl who felt i ment her when saying people arent taking this seriously - _ - |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.11.22 12:58:00 -
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clanbuilder wrote:lol, for those players its a good thing ofcourse. although i dont get it why people seem to find my statement unlogical in any way.
what i was pointing at is if i purchase my month, i get 30 days, ( wich isnt even the average based on a year ) then comes DT everyday, get it?
it really should be 31 days atleast...
and if anyone disagrees then come with a better argument instead of bullshit.
so @Frying Doom,
I am aware of a system like that, and i agree it's really the only way possible. And also right away impossible for eve.
but as i said before all i wanted were other people's opinion, otherwhise i would have petitioned it right away instead of dropping it into the eve community
and a tiny omg for the girl who felt i ment her when saying people arent taking this seriously - _ - Well easily put you pay for 30 days of 23.5 hours a day, easy fixed. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:00:00 -
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clanbuilder wrote:lol, for those players its a good thing ofcourse. although i dont get it why people seem to find my statement unlogical in any way.
what i was pointing at is if i purchase my month, i get 30 days, ( wich isnt even the average based on a year ) then comes DT everyday, get it?
it really should be 31 days atleast...
and if anyone disagrees then come with a better argument instead of bullshit.
so @Frying Doom,
I am aware of a system like that, and i agree it's really the only way possible. And also right away impossible for eve.
but as i said before all i wanted were other people's opinion, otherwhise i would have petitioned it right away instead of dropping it into the eve community
and a tiny omg for the girl who felt i ment her when saying people arent taking this seriously - _ -
I think that you pay for the ability to use a slot while the servers are online. Nothing more.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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clanbuilder
Nimatek Innodustries
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:01:00 -
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who says CCP actually calculated it like that?
for the same good matter we are paying for 30 days 24 hours a day and we're just not getting it?
oh and to stripe down any unnecesarry things:
you pay for:
-costumer support -game time -updates -Server MB's |
Letesse VI
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:06:00 -
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I think the player base would be more annoyed if there was no downtime, no fixes, no updates, no improvements.
Downtime is in all online games, also, CCP would by your point of view it seems make money out of me during downtime, when I am sleeping, at work and all the other non related eve things that I do.
Finally the expansions do not cost us extra like some other online games do, so therefore I for one am not unhappy about it at all tbh.
Just my 2 cents as they say. |
valerydarcy
Mindstar Technology Fatal Ascension
4078
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:08:00 -
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clanbuilder wrote: reducted
Nice word. Post with your mainGäó |
clanbuilder
Nimatek Innodustries
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:09:00 -
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thats actually a good view of it from the other side. especially about the expansion stuff.
but im getting the idea that people now think that i want down times gone? thats not, all im trying to say is that downtime should not be reducted from your game time.
so when the clock is counting down towards your account expirement it should stop counting down when downtime is there. |
Terminal Insanity
Suicides-R-Us BricK sQuAD.
692
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:12:00 -
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CCP stated they're working towards eliminating downtime entirely.
In the mean time, consider the day-long downtimes other MMO's have. They might not go down every day, but when they do go offline for 'maitainence', they're offline for a loooong time.
EVE only goes offline for 5-15 minutes. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
3007
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:13:00 -
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clanbuilder wrote:who says CCP actually calculated it like that?
for the same good matter we are paying for 30 days 24 hours a day and we're just not getting it?
oh and to stripe down any unnecesarry things:
you pay for:
-costumer support -game time -updates -Server MB's
also to make one thing clear:
it is not my intention to get anything done in any way via this topic, as if that was going to happen :)
Technically speaking you are paying for whatever amount of up-time we can provide, for access to the servers while they are up basically. Nowhere does it say that you are paying for 24 hour access per day. That being said, downtime has steadily decreased through the years, both in terms of unexpected downtimes and crashes, and the minutes it takes to perform the daily maintenance tasks.
The daily downtime is often less than 10 minutes although we typically reserve a half hour to be on the safe side.
Sorry about the extra downtime today everyone, hopefully the rest of your afternoon/evening/night/morning in EVE will be a good one ;) CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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clanbuilder
Nimatek Innodustries
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:14:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:CCP stated they're working towards eliminating downtime entirely.
In the mean time, consider the day-long downtimes other MMO's have. They might not go down every day, but when they do go offline for 'maitainence', they're offline for a loooong time.
EVE only goes offline for 5-15 minutes.
that's true yeah, just wondering then how that will affect some game mechanics then?
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clanbuilder
Nimatek Innodustries
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:17:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:clanbuilder wrote:who says CCP actually calculated it like that?
for the same good matter we are paying for 30 days 24 hours a day and we're just not getting it?
oh and to stripe down any unnecesarry things:
you pay for:
-costumer support -game time -updates -Server MB's
also to make one thing clear:
it is not my intention to get anything done in any way via this topic, as if that was going to happen :) Technically speaking you are paying for whatever amount of up-time we can provide, for access to the servers while they are up basically. Nowhere does it say that you are paying for 24 hour access per day. That being said, downtime has steadily decreased through the years, both in terms of unexpected downtimes and crashes, and the minutes it takes to perform the daily maintenance tasks. The daily downtime is often less than 10 minutes although we typically reserve a half hour to be on the safe side. Sorry about the extra downtime today everyone, hopefully the rest of your afternoon/evening/night/morning in EVE will be a good one ;)
actually this was an answer i was hoping for, thanks for explaining how it actually works
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Terminal Insanity
Suicides-R-Us BricK sQuAD.
692
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:18:00 -
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750 hours in a month, at 15 dollars per month. That is exactly 0.02 cents per hour. You're complaining about 30 cents a year. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
clanbuilder
Nimatek Innodustries
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Posted - 2012.11.22 13:33:00 -
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hard days friend, and if you put it like that then, yes.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:08:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:750 hours in a month, at 15 dollars per month. That is exactly 0.02 cents per hour. You're complaining about 30 cents a year.
I was just about to do this.
The horror...
The horror...
To add to this, that works out to a grand total of 15000 per year over the entire subscriber base, for all the work they do during downtime.
Why, that could pay 3/4's of a minimum wage worker! |
clanbuilder
Nimatek Innodustries
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:16:00 -
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its just how you put it,
we're discussing it in cents? Then indeed i'm complaining for pretty much nothing if we're talking in game time then its already abit more...
put it how you like your not gonna change my mind nor am i gonna change yours.
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KardelSharpeye
Bellum Esca Peregrine Nation
2
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:21:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:750 hours in a month, at 15 dollars per month. That is exactly 0.02 cents per hour. You're complaining about 30 cents a year. I went bankrupt because of server downtime! |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
363
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:29:00 -
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I guess i should get 25% of my yearly bus pass back since they aren't available between midnight and 6am. |
Max Goldwing
Global Economy Experts Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2012.11.22 14:37:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=817 Its a bit old, but at least then it was said that in the future no downtime would be planned :)
At the moment downtime has direct impact on in-game events, like renaming signatures, refilling belts, building your stations, (de)spawing (grav)sites in null, etc, etc, so its probably not so easy to just remove. |
YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.22 19:22:00 -
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Shouldn't you change your name to Clam butter? It might better represent your skillset.....
I'm not a troll! I just play one on TV! I'm not a troll!, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
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