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Kudikai
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Posted - 2003.07.07 17:50:00 -
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Vote: Yes
Solution: Tag cargo containers with a owner id as long as the container remains with 1km of the ship that ejected it. Allow gang members access to said container.
The problem with the system now is that with mining gangs, people dump ore to a container for the indi to pickup...but since you can only eject 1 can every five or so minutes, the can must be around for that period of time. It is distance based, so you can't rotate the ejecting of cans. The griefers in high-security systems just have to shoot the can and destroy it to ruin the next five minutes for that gang. And the gang can't do anything about it either. Shoot back and CONCORD will promptly destroy your ship. You can't declare war on them because they are a part of a newbie corporation, using it as cover.
Not everyone is here for PvP, and that is why some of us hang out in the high-security systems. Pure PvP gets very boring after a while and CCP needs to give alternative gameplay for those who don't want PvP. Sure make the alternative not nearing as entertaining or rewarding, but make something. Right now there's no place to go where some little griefer can't come and ruin your playing experience. I've heard of a few petitions to this matter and everytime CCP responds with "We're sorry, we can't do anything about that situation." which tells me they're either incompetent or don't give a rats a$$ about a good portion of their playerbase. The only way to keep subscribers is good customer service. CCP doesn't even know what customer service is. |
Viper Bronco
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Posted - 2003.07.07 18:12:00 -
[92]
yes
make theft a killable crime with no penilties imposed upon the owner for protecting thier property.
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Ywev
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Posted - 2003.07.07 18:16:00 -
[93]
But I like stealing ore, its so much easier than mining it!
Pod ya later..
Ywev
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.07.07 18:22:00 -
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I'm surprised you can get into secure space to do it at all Ywev =P
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2003.07.07 18:39:00 -
[95]
NO
I see no problem if people want to go around picking up litter.
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Cro Ramel
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Posted - 2003.07.07 18:43:00 -
[96]
No, says on the box you can be a pirate if you wanna!
"If it sounds like a bad idea, it is."
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Viper Bronco
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Posted - 2003.07.07 19:26:00 -
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then I should be able to shoot the loot pirate. or your security should drop each time you steal my ores/loot. so that I have satisfaction of killing you.
since it is in your words only fair that you can take my cargo pods. it should only be fair that I can shoot/kill you. and coppers should stay out of it.
thats sounds fair for all don'cha think (8 solves it for both parties, you can steal my stuff and if I catch you I can kill you with no penities imposed upon me..
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.07 19:32:00 -
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yawn .. ehehehe!
Container miners are EXPLOITERS and should all be banned.
They're abusing game mechanics to acquire unlimited cargo space. Now they want official CCP sanction for their exploiting ways.
Lamentable. Reprehensible. Hairy.
ehehehe!
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Helpme
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Posted - 2003.07.07 19:40:00 -
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Something has to be done about security for Cans. And I don't mean lockable cantainers.
Because the greifers can come and just shoot your cans. Why should I not send my alt character in a noob ship to my competitiors mining operation and just shoot the cans. Over and over agin. Nothing can stop it, it would seam we can put an end to most mining in concord space, this way. You can kill my alt it would just come right back. Is this what the devs have in mind? Because mark my words it is coming. If CCP does not stop it, or allow me to stop it.
And taking Sec hit for shooting cans has little effect when my alt status is very neg, just roll up a new one, or have corp mate roll a new one.
Edited by: Helpme on 07/07/2003 19:44:54
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Kudikai
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Posted - 2003.07.07 19:41:00 -
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I don't see how container mining is an exploit. You still have to get it back to a station and that definately requires a ship which has limited cargo space.
Even the pirates who try to claim protection isk to not destroy our containers see it as being OUR containers.
If the pirates want to be able to do pirate things, they better be accountable for it. Harassing without any way to go after the pirate, now that's an exploit.
Edited by: Kudikai on 07/07/2003 19:42:24
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Kudikai
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Posted - 2003.07.07 19:41:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Kudikai on 07/07/2003 19:43:39
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Veng Jnr
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Posted - 2003.07.07 20:03:00 -
[102]
 Quote:
Try mining your own ore for a change then we will see if thay can take the hard work needed or quit eve.
I earn 500k to 1 million during the daytime mining Plag in a 0.8 belt then selling it at night.
No Industrials, No corp mates, No jettisonning, Just smart use of bookmarks and a well kitted out boat with guarding drones and an expanded hold.
And, no, its not kit and/or skills that are going to cost 1,000,000's either.
Strive for Perfection. Aspire to Greatness. Die like a Hero.
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.07.07 20:04:00 -
[103]
"I'm surprised you can get into secure space to do it at all Ywev =P"
One word: Alt.
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Gantell
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Posted - 2003.07.07 20:53:00 -
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My vote is Yes and NO
A few thing to consider:
1. In regards to quotes as to the definition of Jettison, this only refers to the location and disirablity of the material not its ownership. In RL jettioned property does not change ownership untill it becomes abandoned.
2. A RL example, if I am dredging for ore on the ocean bottom and dumping the ore into a barge. Someone can't just come along and take the unmaned barge or its contents, that would be piracy.
3. The software does know who jeted the can as evidenced by the problems when non-oners try to stack stuff in the can.
4. I would like to be able to shoot the pritates that fire on or steal my cans. But this means that noobs have very little protection and the guy with the biggest ships have more. I don't think the Dev's want this in concord space. And they surely don't want it in 1.0 space.
5. With out using the strip mine to can to indy technique the quantity of ore needed for most CA's and certainly for BS's is not practical.
6. The small corps can't defend them selves out in 0.0 space. And if they can't defend there ore in concord space they are just going to leave the game. And I do not think this is good. It should be possible to play as a small corp.
7. Piracy of ore should be possible at some level, else how does one play as a pirate. It should be possible to play as an ore pirate, but not without risk.
8. Shooting a pirate under the current system is pointless. As it can be an alt character your shooting at which results in little loss to the pirate. And big problems for you not balanced risk.
All of these points I believe is are valid. So what should we do. It is a complex problem so I believe it calls for a complex solution. No simple fix CCP please.
So here is the Gantel solution:
This is a two tiered solution. In my solution can Piracy is defined as taking from a can that was jettisoned by a player who is not a member of your gang.
First tier in 1.0 - 0.7 space, piracy of cans or shooting at cans by non gang members is a police punishable act. ( newbies get this space )
Second tier 0.6-0.1 space Piracy of cans or shooting at cans, starts a temporay state of grace, where the owner of the cans gang can fire on the pirate for one hour. The pirate if fired on can return fire, without police intervention. Sort of a limited war, one pirate aginst the gang he stole from.( small corps and pirates get to fight it out here )
I think this solution provides balance where everyone can find a home.
I was thinking there might also be a third tier say 0.2 and 0.1 no police in the belts at all. But have not really made up my mind on that.
Edited by: Gantell on 07/07/2003 20:54:10
Edited by: Gantell on 07/07/2003 22:24:56
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Kudikai
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Posted - 2003.07.07 21:59:00 -
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Gantell,
Nice to see some people keep their objectivity. I like your solution as well. Seems fair but not unbalanced.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.07.07 22:32:00 -
[106]
Make the container like its a drone, if its shot people get negative status.
Also make the container only openable if your in the same corp/gang with the person who opens it.
If people were not intended to mine like there has been now, why jettison stuff anyway?
Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 07/07/2003 22:33:33
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