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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.06 17:03:00 -
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Blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda.
Shouldn't you all be doing trade runs anyway?
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Aldamar
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Posted - 2003.07.06 17:11:00 -
[32]
Yes, this needs fixed.
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Sadistic Savior
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Posted - 2003.07.06 17:17:00 -
[33]
Short answer - Yes.
Only that you should be allowed to shoot them without a sec hit after they have opened it, and then only if you are present.
No, you should not be able to pod them without a sec hit. No, you should not be allowed to shoot them if you were not present (say, withink 30k) at the time they opened it.
Dont mine in high traffic areas if you cant defend your territory.
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Sato Kayim
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Posted - 2003.07.06 18:12:00 -
[34]
No.
Necrosis....Death is only the beginning....
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Shollos
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Posted - 2003.07.06 18:42:00 -
[35]
leave it as is, if people are stupid enough to afk mine and dump it all in 1 cannister, they deserve to have it stolen.
a little common sense and some actualy AT KEYBOARD work, and you can eliminate all risk of 'theft'
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Zoshia
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Posted - 2003.07.06 18:50:00 -
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pssst, hey Shollos. Not trying to make you look dumb or anything but they kind of have to be at the keyboard to keep putting ore in that one can. It don't move by itself.
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.07.06 21:26:00 -
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Why are people mining? Don't they know they should be trading?
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.07.06 21:46:00 -
[38]
No.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.07.06 21:47:00 -
[39]
Simple answer... yes, and untill that happens I will continue to kill/pod anyone I catch stealing ore.
"Death Before Dishonor" |
Gold Brick
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Posted - 2003.07.06 22:01:00 -
[40]
Drefsap, so far your efforts have been pathetic to say the least...
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Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.07.07 07:47:00 -
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how so? as of yet I have not had 1 unit of ore stolen from me. So a 100% track record of kicking ore theifs in the nuts is pathetic is it? oh well guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion but lets settle this matter.. tell me what system you are in and like to steal ore from and I will come educate you on this matter :P
"Death Before Dishonor" |
CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2003.07.07 08:02:00 -
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yes they sould put password to cargo
is like you have your track open and someone go behind and steal your stuff... wile you are in front and have a smoke....
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.07.07 08:05:00 -
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You should able to steal from cans, and you shouldbe able to shoot the theives. However, how about some kind of reporting of crime to concord? An ID tag on players property like cans and if anyone not in a players gang or corp steals from it, then it can be reported. Or am I just being stupid?
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nails
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Posted - 2003.07.07 08:10:00 -
[44]
Save eve! bring it back to beta status!! Cruisers camping low security gates! More newbs will get destroyed by NPC gate camping than m0o, it's going to rock! The days of babying EVE is over!
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.07.07 09:15:00 -
[45]
no, if you want the cargo..keep it in your cargo hold.
Its not a fun lesson to learn, but when learned you cant blame others for taking on such an oppertunity.
This is not a hijack
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Sato Kayim
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Posted - 2003.07.07 09:24:00 -
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What this amounts to is nerfing thiefs. Saw it done on UO and I really don't want it to happen in Eve. I never played a thief but it keep the rest of us on our guard. Which is what all games need!
Necrosis....Death is only the beginning....
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Bolka
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Posted - 2003.07.07 09:28:00 -
[47]
I think it is a cool feature you can steal cargo from other players, I like a chaos component to the game.
Now it is really silly it is not considered a crime. It should lower the thief sec status, and allow the victim to retaliate legally.
The current state of things makes cargo stealing an easy exploit.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.07.07 09:40:00 -
[48]
Thieving from cannisters and griefing goes hand in hand.
CASE STUDY:
Yesterday was mining in a belt in Mora (Amarr space)...
The sec rating is 0.9...
Anyway, Mora is a fairly peaceful place so I was mining in my dedicated mining cruiser and dumping into a can next to me... I intended to get a fat load of Scord and then pop back quickly and pick up my Indy and collect the cannister.
Anyway I noticed on the local channel that someone (not in a corp) known as FSCK was going around nicking from cannisters. This didnt really bother me as the FSCK was in a frig. The amount of ore a frig could steal from my cannister was almost not worth bothering with so I kept mining.
Anyway about 10 mins later I get the warning bleep and realise that this FSCK has warped into my belt and is targeting me. I kept on mining. TBH I didnt care if he nicked a little bit from my can. After all it was a risk I had taken.
FSCK proceeds to fly up to my can in a noob frigate and steal from it. But....
Instead of buggering off with his load of my ore he proceeeded to ram his ship into my cannister repeatedly - destroying it and the 30k scord or so that I had already collected.
Anyway...as it was a 0.9 sector I was powerless to do anything about it. Strangely (and I still haven't worked out why) Concord police showed up and killed FSCK's ship leaving him in a pod. I can only imagine he must have taken a pot shot at me or one of my drones or something!
Anyway I thought serves the bugger right....and (naively?) continued mining...after 10 mins of mining my warning bleeps again and lo...FSCK has turned up again in another noob frig.
He again proceeds to nick from my can before destroying it and again I couldn't touch him...until I noticed that his previous fracas with the police has given him a -1 sec rating.
I popped back to base and stuck a 150,000 isk reward on FSCK...I then called in a corp mate who could now kill (but not pod) FSCK's ship in Mora.
Anyway FSCK did a runner. My corp m8 messaged him and gave him some warning. 2 mins later my corp mate gets Mikhail of m00 corp trying to start a conversation with him.
Now I can understand thievery and people taking from cans...but destroying them is just pure griefing...I can see no real game objective of doing that apart from ****ing people off.
High sec sectors are somewhere where you would just like to go about you business unbothered by griefers but unfortunately they are free to cause as much trouble as they want!
I also want to know what is the connection between m00 and these griefers?
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Sato Kayim
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Posted - 2003.07.07 09:53:00 -
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It should only be considered a crime if the police see you or there is evidence. ie. some sort of fitted camera on your ship. :-)
Destroying your cannister is griefing? Cmon. I want to put a dent in your business growth so I cost you time and money by destroying stuff you leave unprotected. No way is that griefing. Get military protection! Or should we nerf that idea too?
Edited by: Sato Kayim on 07/07/2003 09:57:11
Necrosis....Death is only the beginning....
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Chee
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Posted - 2003.07.07 09:55:00 -
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I vote no
I encourage any pvp interaction, if u want to mine u can do that in a singleplayer game, this game has risks, take it or leave it
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.07.07 10:10:00 -
[51]
I think the fact the cargo has been dumped gives a free run on it. You don't want it in your cargo bay, I will keep it in mine!
Buy yourselves a indy if you don't want to leave stuff in space!!!
and when will the moaning stop!!!!!!!
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.07.07 10:21:00 -
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Sato - military protection in a 0.9 sector?
I can understand military protection if I go out mining in 0.7 or below but 0.9?
And exactly what can military protection in a 0.9 sector achieve when the police show up almost instantly and attack the people trying to prevent griefing.
My corp lost a cruisers to police last week when they tackled another griefer in the same sector!
This FSCK character is not seriously playing the game...it was just created to annoy people...and at the moment there is virtually f... all that can be done about it!
If you seriously want to put a dent in corp income then you attack when we are mining the rare stuff in low sec sectors...u don't create grief characters to steal and destroy cans (and drones)in high sec sectors!
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.07.07 10:25:00 -
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This whole can story is a sort of gray zone.
And it's not about PvP or not PvP, carebear or not carebear, there's no PvP or carebear involved here, the main problem is CONCORD attacking someone protecting something in space.
My opinion, would be that if something have to be done, it should be something encouraging conflict.
Let's say you let a cargo in space, and it's yours, anyone should be able to take what's inside, on this I agree, so based on this, I am 100% against the locked cargo idea.
BUT on the other side, I like to be able to fight to defend my stuff, and would provide a good mechanism to open a bit the PvP action in empire space.
So what should be done, is a way to let someone declare a cargo as his propriety for a time, and when someone take something from it, it should let the "owner" the ability to open fire on the thief without CONCORD intervetion or faction hit.
If the thief is in a MOA fully configured for a fight, the miners will anyway be unable to defend the cargo, if the Thief is silly enough to come with an Indy, then he is dead meat.
That would open a lot of options for battles, because the "cargo steal" could be in fact an invitation to fight from pirates, a message like : "fight me or I steal your stuff".
Naturally, if the pirates or the miners are grouped, if one of the miners open fire on one of the pirate, the whole group of miners can attack the thief, and the whole group of thiefs can retaliate on the whole group of miners.
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Gimmeelots
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Posted - 2003.07.07 10:33:00 -
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dont drop cans then no one can nick em heheheh simple solution really ....lmao
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.07 10:33:00 -
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"This FSCK character is not seriously playing the game...it was just created to annoy people...and at the moment there is virtually f... all that can be done about it!"
Why is it so hard to simply warp back to the station in this 0.9 space and unload your ore?
I know, i know "but it's more efficient this way!" Well, then you have a simple case of balanced choice -- be less efficient and completely safe, or more efficient but with some risk to it.
Demanding to be able to both eat your cake and still have it when you're basically abusing the jettison system in the first place is pretty silly...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.07.07 10:41:00 -
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j0sephine:
I was not complaining about people stealing from cans - if you read my first mail you will see that. I dumped the can and I was quite prepared for FSCK to come and take a piece of it
I am complaining (not whining) about the creation of grief characters who can do virtually anything they want in high-sec sectors and get awat with it.
There has to be some form of retribution..they are commiting 'crimes' in high sec sectors yet if you try and punish them you are the on punished!
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Terrapin
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Posted - 2003.07.07 10:44:00 -
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I posted about this on the ideas forum, but might as well repeat it here:
Just add another container type to the market which, when jettisoned, gives you the option to set a 'lock level'. Three levels would do;
1. unlocked
2. locked at corp level
3. locked at owner level
(and possibly
4. locked at gang level)
That way no keys/passwords or whatever would be necessary.
I also like the lockpick module/skill idea, so someone with this module/skill can still open the container, resulting in a security hit if a corp member/owner happens to be in the same location when a lock is picked.
That way people who enjoy being a nuisance can still loot other people's containers, and freelancers (and members of small corps who can't have constant indy escorts) will have the option to protect their cargo.
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ABNTanker
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Posted - 2003.07.07 10:51:00 -
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I think its movie quote time for the players that leave unsecured cargo containers full of ore to be destroyed or stolen from...
"If it wasn't for ****heads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world,
would there?"
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.07 11:05:00 -
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"I am complaining (not whining) about the creation of grief characters who can do virtually anything they want in high-sec sectors and get awat with it."
Well, to be fair raping the containers is the only thing they can do and get away with it, right? :) So that's not really virtually anything.
And i already offered solution to it -- keep the ore in your ship. The moment you put it out, someone might get too attached to it. It's like the rl cars -- leave it unguarded and some ass might steal it. They may even crash it on the nearest wall if you're really unlucky. But you could've taken extra minute to park that car in guarded garage to prevent that, right?..
Alternate way might be to hire 3-4 rookies to follow the thief in their rookie ships and target him constantly. He'd be then too busy unlocking from the auto-target-back to steal anything... maybe ;s
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Bolka
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Posted - 2003.07.07 11:38:00 -
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Chee:
How exactly is the current system encouraging PVP interaction? You can't shoot at the enemy!! PVP doesn't mean frustration...
Now I don't understand people saying 'just keep the ore in your cargo'. How do you guys mine? I mean, if you want to mine you HAVE to jettison something, how do you get it inside the Indy? Do you stop mining when the indy is not around and your cargo is full? What you are saying only makes sense when solo mining, do you solo mine your cruisers? and battleships? Are you saying indies shouldn't be used?
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