So since we are revamping killrights and bounties, any chance of adding some other options for fixing your security status? I've heard people talking about using tags to get a higher security status as something CCP is looking into... any chance there'll be an announcement on this? Anyone know anything yet?

This isn't part of Inferno (and was never planned to be), but it is something that we'll be working on over the summer. You might hear more about it later in the year.
The talk we gave at fanfest was about plans that were at a very early design stage, and that we wanted to get player feedback on as soon as possible. (See the opening disclaimer that it was all WIP)

Officers are Estamel, Thon et al. Commanders are Dread Guristas, Dark Bloods, True Sanshas etc. Yes, you'll be able to buy your way up, but we'll probably balance it so that it's gonna cost you

~snip~
This is why I ask... ^

edit: they talked about this in the csm minutes a little

Sec status is already quite 'bizarre'.

It should cost you plexes to get back to 0.0 sec status.

-10 = 10 plex

Very acceptable

No 'partial' sec bump though (so -5 need 5 plexes, not 1 to be -4)

On that note, -2.5 should be KOS in 1.0 systems etc etc. Weird edge cases are weird.

Involving PLEX into more aspects of the game will simply increase the price forcing more and more players who rely on PLEX to play, be forced to quit the game. So I'm against PLEX for sec status completely.

I like the idea of tags or something that can only be looted from doing ratting in low sec, being a commodity that can be sold on the market. Also in conjunction with this the only way to gain sec status should be killing NPCs in low sec.

Sec status is already quite 'bizarre'.

It should cost you plexes to get back to 0.0 sec status.

-10 = 10 plex

Very acceptable

No 'partial' sec bump though (so -5 need 5 plexes, not 1 to be -4)

On that note, -2.5 should be KOS in 1.0 systems etc etc. Weird edge cases are weird.

So, pay to win then?

Sec Status grinding is a pain, IMHO as it should be. Buying your way into a quick fix is lame...

You lost me when you supported an aspect of a game which you described using words such as "grinding" and "pain". If you can identify an aspect of a >game< that is simply a grind, or painful, or even worse, a painful grind, then there is probably room for improvement.

I'm not advocating a "quick fix", but a "quick fix" also isn't the only alternative to a grinding painfully.

I don't know how much work it would take to implement something of this nature, but what if Sec status were further divided up between the NPC factions. So for instance, I could be -10 with the minmatar and gallente because i'm a douchy pirate who likes to explode things. However, i'm involved in some FW on the side, and when I make enemies go boom in the name of the Amarr, it improves my sec status specifically with them.

I dunno, just an idea, it would remove the painful grind, create incentive to pvp for the sake of pvp which seems pretty snazzy, and presumably it'd spice up FW a bit by giving futher incentives to go kill people on the other side. I see very few drawbacks to this, but as with anything else I am by no means an expert.

Honestly, doesn't even seem like it'd be that difficult to implement, you already have standings with those groups, that are partially governed in similar fashion.

Other benefits might be..regional trade hubs take on more importance as people gravitate towards areas they aren't outlawed from, potentially a more target rich environment in both high and low sec, which is never a bad thing, and perhaps a bit more of an immersion factor. You already get nasty warning messages when you are jump gating around an enemy empires space, seems like sec status would naturally reflect that fact.

EvE is about consequences and rewards, being a pirate may net you some juicy rewards, getting your sheet cleaner should not be a walk in the park nor play to win.

I apologize if I can't express myself better or clearer, English is not my first language.

Also, seeing as this is a multiplayer game, my suggestion has the virtue of involving multiple players, which in itself is a fairly obvious improvement. Anytime you can promote or create incentive for interaction, as opposed to everyone sitting in a corner facing the wall playing whack-a-mole with mindless NPCs, you've probably done something correctly in an MMO, call me crazy though.

how about sec raises by (time served) addressing questions in the help channel or (restitution) of victims losses?

if you dont want to do time, dont do crime?

For discussion sake, what if there was no option to move back towards positive once a player heads down the negative path? While the loss for podding other players should be revised to not be such a drastic drop so quickly, once a player takes that step towards the "dark side", why should there be any chance of redemption?

This could create low sec trade hubs where negative sec players could buy and sell goods without worrying about stepping into goodie two-shoes lands. And while someone could state to just use an alt to trade directly, perhaps the direct dealings with a known negative stat pilot will push a subtle negative status onto the alt. Using a real life example, if I am considered a law abiding citizen and been seen dealing with known gang bangers, the police will keep an eye upon me too.

For discussion sake, what if there was no option to move back towards positive once a player heads down the negative path? While the loss for podding other players should be revised to not be such a drastic drop so quickly, once a player takes that step towards the "dark side", why should there be any chance of redemption?

This could create low sec trade hubs where negative sec players could buy and sell goods without worrying about stepping into goodie two-shoes lands. And while someone could state to just use an alt to trade directly, perhaps the direct dealings with a known negative stat pilot will push a subtle negative status onto the alt. Using a real life example, if I am considered a law abiding citizen and been seen dealing with known gang bangers, the police will keep an eye upon me too.

Just a thought instead of the quick fix, if any fix, ideas in this thread.

Aren't they already putting in the option to buy your way to +5 for ~150 million ISK, or did that change?

Sure, why not. But you also have to agree that mission runners, upon killing any vessel of any faction while running a mission for a faction of their choosing, would immediately and permanently become hated enemies with the faction of the vessel they shot, to the point that entering that faction's space would immediately summon the system's whole faction fleet. Furthermore, they would never be able to dock at that faction's stations again. Oh, and those penalties would also apply with friends of the faction whose vessel was destroyed.

If we're going to go for the "permanent consequences in a game" thing, they should apply to everyone, right?

Your "solution" to not being able to rebuild sec status would end up with everyone eventually having a lower sec status, especially on an open market and with public contracts. It's a bad idea to begin with, but then you open it up for griefing in the hopes of stopping griefing. Furthermore, you'd have to remove the moratorium on disposing of negative sec alts for the same reason: everyone would eventually get hit by that.

Well, I'm surprised you agreed, because usually people come back with a "fuk u gankbear i shud playz how i wants" type of response.

But I was being sarcastic. Both of our ideas would be game-breaking, unless the effectiveness of all NPC police entities is significantly reduced. My idea is especially bad, because it would make the game not fun to play for a whole lot of people. Your idea just encourages alt usage.

SEC FOR AUREM I'll ALLOW IT

If anything, "fixing" your sec should be harder, not easier.

Remove sec status gain from anywhere besides low-sec. That's the only place in EVE where CONCORD should reward you with security status.

You know what I find weird? You get CONCORD sec status gain by killing NPC pirates right? So why don't we get sec status gain for blowing up an actual player pirate? Say, relative to their own negative sec status? Such an implementation, along with Crimewatch 2.0, might ofer some incentives for players to pvp for their sec stat.

Alas as always, this idea won't work well as people will just make alts to grind set status back. God, I really hate the concept of alts

...I wonder if they see this thread and don't want to answer yet.

/me lurks

Once we get Retribution 1.0 out of the way, this is something we want to put some thought in to.

Gogela -

As I read your response, my first thought was "bribe".

Instead of a full-blown pardon, you bribed the local authorities and were given immunity for a certain amount of time? As you pass through the heart land area of those you bribed freely, as you reached the borders, you would have to repeat your bribe attempts. Perhaps using (new) skills and your Charisma to barter for passage. Offer too little ISK and the authorities feel insulted, openly attacking you while ~seeing~ you with now a worse status. Or pay too much and they will personally escort you across the system to the next gate. But once you leave the area and time has elapsed, you are seen as you were before your bribe (attempts) and must start again.

Perhaps a random percentage to always fail - you stumbled across the one straight and narrow Barney Fife so it is not always abused per se by just paying x amount each and every time. And the amounts are different too - one pass might be x amount, but lately the higher authorities have been watching those border patrols so now it will cost you extra...

as long as they are the pirate tags... i have been stocking up on them since they announced this as a possible way for sec status increases since fanfest back in march ;)

You know what I find weird? You get CONCORD sec status gain by killing NPC pirates right? So why don't we get sec status gain for blowing up an actual player pirate? Say, relative to their own negative sec status? Such an implementation, along with Crimewatch 2.0, might ofer some incentives for players to pvp for their sec stat.

Alas as always, this idea won't work well as people will just make alts to grind set status back. God, I really hate the concept of alts

I get big increases for playing with myself.

Once we get Retribution 1.0 out of the way, this is something we want to put some thought in to.

Translation: Two years, easy

Why is everyone still on CCP`s back, they are working faster than ever and fixing the stuff everyone asked for.

Why is everyone still on CCP`s back, they are working faster than ever and fixing the stuff everyone asked for.

Really? They are?

I'd didn't realize nerfing ships to the point that only 5% are viable in fleet fights constitues fixes.

So when do the POS fixes come out...Couple of weeks right?