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The 0ne
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Posted - 2005.04.26 15:21:00 -
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Moved from EVE General Discussions to Skills Forum - Jacques Archambault
release new patch with missile changes..thx
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.04.26 15:22:00 -
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Get ready to be disappointed.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.04.26 15:34:00 -
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Yeah lets allow people to make their missiles even better for a few weeks?
Tbh my raven already WTFPWNS my mega at anything i can up with. (Apart from mining but mining = the suck so who cares)
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.04.26 15:39:00 -
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they didnt do it with gunnery skills so why should they do it with missile skills? Missiles are **** easy to use atm, i certainly hope they get a hefty swat of the nerfbat.
I absolutely despise ravens in PVP (i couldnt care less what u do with em in PVE). n00bs flying around in ravens, wtfpwning highly skilled pilots just cos the missiles are so damn unbalanced and easy to train for. Its annoying, to say the least
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.04.26 15:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Eyeshadow
they didnt do it with gunnery skills so why should they do it with missile skills? Missiles are **** easy to use atm, i certainly hope they get a hefty swat of the nerfbat.
I absolutely despise ravens in PVP (i couldnt care less what u do with em in PVE). n00bs flying around in ravens, wtfpwning highly skilled pilots just cos the missiles are so damn unbalanced and easy to train for. Its annoying, to say the least
what he said !
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The 0ne
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Posted - 2005.04.26 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
they didnt do it with gunnery skills so why should they do it with missile skills? Missiles are **** easy to use atm, i certainly hope they get a hefty swat of the nerfbat.
I absolutely despise ravens in PVP (i couldnt care less what u do with em in PVE). n00bs flying around in ravens, wtfpwning highly skilled pilots just cos the missiles are so damn unbalanced and easy to train for. Its annoying, to say the least
there havnt been any such radical gunnery changes as this missile chang as far as I know(or as long as I have played)...
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.26 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Zandramus on 26/04/2005 15:58:16
Originally by: Eyeshadow
they didnt do it with gunnery skills so why should they do it with missile skills? Missiles are **** easy to use atm, i certainly hope they get a hefty swat of the nerfbat.
I absolutely despise ravens in PVP (i couldnt care less what u do with em in PVE). n00bs flying around in ravens, wtfpwning highly skilled pilots just cos the missiles are so damn unbalanced and easy to train for. Its annoying, to say the least
Please, Missiles are not unbalanced Frankly all you need to beat a Raven or any other missile ship atm is to have some distance on it. Thats why they are totally useless in pvp except for close up engaugemanets is that before the missiles can get there in a proper fight the Raven should be dead.
If you get hit by a volly off torps from a Raven in PVP you did something wrong
as a matter of fact if people would quit crying about how this ship or that ship was to overpowered ccp might have time to add content rather than listen to countless whiners and spend hours nerfing things that werent broke to begin with.
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Zandramus
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.04.26 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
they didnt do it with gunnery skills so why should they do it with missile skills? Missiles are **** easy to use atm, i certainly hope they get a hefty swat of the nerfbat.
I absolutely despise ravens in PVP (i couldnt care less what u do with em in PVE). n00bs flying around in ravens, wtfpwning highly skilled pilots just cos the missiles are so damn unbalanced and easy to train for. Its annoying, to say the least
A highly skillpointed player might perhaps get pwned by a Raven. A higly skilled player most certainly will not. Aside from the occasional scrambler, Raven pilots are extremely predictable.
And if your statement that all these Raven pilots are n00bs is correct, they should even be easier to lured into a trap and blasted to pieces.
Anyway, stop complaining about the missiles already. CCP got the point and there's a missile patch coming out. Let's see from there shall we?
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Alexi Borizkova
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Posted - 2005.04.26 16:13:00 -
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Before the market nerf that can only truly be referred to as "cataclysmically proportioned" as to my business in eve, they gave us the skills in advance, and they did nothing, such is possible now, as it might give some people that depend on ravens and other missile boats for day to day operations the ability to not spend a day, week, or even possibly month inconvenienced.
Since it is a wholly Meta game issue(I am pretty sure all out blueprints won't just magically change over night) we should be given oppurtunity to prepare, skill point wise.
And Yes, I am a missile *****. And No, I don't think missiles are broken for PvP purposes. (purely for reference)
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.04.26 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 26/04/2005 16:57:42
Originally by: The 0ne
there havnt been any such radical gunnery changes as this missile chang as far as I know(or as long as I have played)...
you obriously dont remember when turrets where good, sigh.. befor turrets used to hit small targets so it was possible to do what a raven does now in all turret ships.
Seems they nerfed the hell out of experienced players then gave noobs the raven.
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Miner's Bane
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Posted - 2005.04.26 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: The 0ne
there havnt been any such radical gunnery changes as this missile chang as far as I know(or as long as I have played)...
Then you havent been playing long.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Steele
Edited by: Jim Steele on 26/04/2005 16:57:42
Originally by: The 0ne
there havnt been any such radical gunnery changes as this missile chang as far as I know(or as long as I have played)...
you obriously dont remember when turrets where good, sigh.. befor turrets used to hit small targets so it was possible to do what a raven does now in all turret ships.
Seems they nerfed the hell out of experienced players then gave noobs the raven.
well...didnt you get new skills be4 patch?
like we have done many times , like with market/trade skills
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Miner's Bane
Originally by: The 0ne
there havnt been any such radical gunnery changes as this missile chang as far as I know(or as long as I have played)...
Then you havent been playing long.
lol
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Miner's Bane
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy
well...didnt you get new skills be4 patch?
like we have done many times , like with market/trade skills
You havent been playing long either.
Aside from the specialization skills, which werent released pre-patch, we didnt get new gunnary skills. Just a big sack of nerf.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy
Originally by: Jim Steele
Edited by: Jim Steele on 26/04/2005 16:57:42
Originally by: The 0ne
there havnt been any such radical gunnery changes as this missile chang as far as I know(or as long as I have played)...
you obriously dont remember when turrets where good, sigh.. befor turrets used to hit small targets so it was possible to do what a raven does now in all turret ships.
Seems they nerfed the hell out of experienced players then gave noobs the raven.
well...didnt you get new skills be4 patch?
like we have done many times , like with market/trade skills
many many times? nope. It happened once, and you just mentioned it. 
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Miner's Bane
Originally by: Bad'Boy
well...didnt you get new skills be4 patch?
like we have done many times , like with market/trade skills
You havent been playing long either.
Aside from the specialization skills, which werent released pre-patch, we didnt get new gunnary skills. Just a big sack of nerf.
well, I'v played long enough to see that it would be fair...
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2005.04.26 17:31:00 -
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er... so your logic for missile skills not being released before the patch is that gun skills wernt... when there wernt any gun skills released at all, either before or after the patch. right. that makes sense... i guess...
you could have trained up your gun skills in advance though, as they already existed. people just chose not to because they could wtfpwn things without bothering.
if missiles skills arnt released for pre-training, it will basically screw over caldari and minmater, and make amarr even better, for a while until people train missile skills. And of course, thats fair, because amarr are so weak atm  ...
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.04.27 10:18:00 -
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oh ffs here they all come with their "missiles are ok etc etc u must be a n00b to die to a raven etc etc" comments.
Tobiaz, i have heard of u and i know ur a PVPer but please. U try holding a raven in an interceptor for any length of time without dieing. Im sure uve tried. It aint easy, its damn ****in hard and ur one mistake away from getting blown up. Torps arent a problem, its cruise. Any n00b with 1.5mil SPs can sit in a raven with hvy nos + cruise and bbq the hell out of anything smaller than a BS
But then u put it up against a BS. A Raven at close range will take the **** out of a blasterthron. That just aint right either and needs to be fixed
Yes the raven blows at fleet combat and long range fighting but u put it 20km away from anything and its by far the easiest and most devestating ship about atm. EVERYONE i know and fly with curses when they bump into a raven, even more so than they did when they bumped into a geddon. Geddons are quite easily countered, Ravens just BBQ the hell out of anything at close range, skilled pilot or not
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Antic
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Posted - 2005.04.27 11:29:00 -
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Yeah lets nerf the heck out of ravens so they suck both at close range and long range :P why would we need ravens when we have gankageddons and sniperocs?
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.04.27 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Miner's Bane
Originally by: The 0ne
there havnt been any such radical gunnery changes as this missile chang as far as I know(or as long as I have played)...
Then you havent been playing long.
LOL - Wrote what i was about to.
You try learn large Hybrid specialisation........
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Bastogne
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Posted - 2005.04.27 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zandramus
Edited by: Zandramus on 26/04/2005 15:58:16
Originally by: Eyeshadow
they didnt do it with gunnery skills so why should they do it with missile skills? Missiles are **** easy to use atm, i certainly hope they get a hefty swat of the nerfbat.
I absolutely despise ravens in PVP (i couldnt care less what u do with em in PVE). n00bs flying around in ravens, wtfpwning highly skilled pilots just cos the missiles are so damn unbalanced and easy to train for. Its annoying, to say the least
Please, Missiles are not unbalanced Frankly all you need to beat a Raven or any other missile ship atm is to have some distance on it. Thats why they are totally useless in pvp except for close up engaugemanets is that before the missiles can get there in a proper fight the Raven should be dead.
If you get hit by a volly off torps from a Raven in PVP you did something wrong
as a matter of fact if people would quit crying about how this ship or that ship was to overpowered ccp might have time to add content rather than listen to countless whiners and spend hours nerfing things that werent broke to begin with.
kthxbye
Zandramus
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Nicholai Pestot
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Posted - 2005.04.27 12:18:00 -
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With any luck the missile changes will do the following:-
Make missiles better at range.
Make large missiles/torps better against large targets.
Reduce missiles over all power up close BELOW that of Blasters
Reduce large missiles/torps power against small targets.
And the skills will simply be needed to take advantage of their benifits against large targets at range.
With any luck......
But untill the changes come out on the test server speculation is pointless, and CCP is unlikely to decide on skill release times based on the requests in this thread.
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lythos miralbar
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Posted - 2005.04.27 12:36:00 -
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Please, Missiles are not unbalanced Frankly all you need to beat a Raven or any other missile ship atm is to have some distance on it. Thats why they are totally useless in pvp except for close up engaugemanets is that before the missiles can get there in a proper fight the Raven should be dead.
If you get hit by a volly off torps from a Raven in PVP you did something wrong
as a matter of fact if people would quit crying about how this ship or that ship was to overpowered ccp might have time to add content rather than listen to countless whiners and spend hours nerfing things that werent broke to begin with.
Bloody right. Theres this one little thing that completely fecks up anything that uses missiles.. its called "TIME TO TARGET". If you exploit it you can use 3 turreted ganka bs's to take on 10 ravens if the fight is at 40 km +.
Basicly missile's suck unless your right up the other guys ass, in which case you'll do more dammage with blasters with AM (and yes you do I've used both of them) ..
Sure give missiles more skill training, but then the time to target issue, the fact they can be smart bombed and defendered all need addressing.
If you turn missiles into turrets then defenders need removing from the game and smart bombs shouldnt destroy them.
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Lord ofRedemption
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Posted - 2005.04.28 10:21:00 -
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I flew for quite soem tim enothing else then a crow and never ever died by tacklin a raven mayb eonce or so ?
it can be done , not easily but if you do some thinkin yeh will be allright 
..and again interceptors shouldnt be able to tackle down a bs on their own at any given time without any risk .
Also many peeps say there is no skills involved flying a Raven , well is there in flying a gunboat with 2458 damage mods ?
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DrXavier
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Posted - 2005.04.28 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zandramus
Please, Missiles are not unbalanced Frankly all you need to beat a Raven or any other missile ship atm is to have some distance on it. Thats why they are totally useless in pvp except for close up engaugemanets is that before the missiles can get there in a proper fight the Raven should be dead.
If you get hit by a volly off torps from a Raven in PVP you did something wrong
as a matter of fact if people would quit crying about how this ship or that ship was to overpowered ccp might have time to add content rather than listen to countless whiners and spend hours nerfing things that werent broke to begin with.
kthxbye
Zandramus
Thank you.
Far as I'm concerned these "highly skilled players getting wtfpwned by noobs in Ravens" probably aren't as skilled as you think. In fact they are probably fools. Quit your whining.
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