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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:06:00 -
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Since people are obviously able to earn ca. 1.1 Million ISK each 3-5 jumps in Empire Space without any risk (Bestower with 7k cargo, 10 Millions ISK capital, trade goods), I'd like to ask you to vote if this should be nerfed or not.
Simple yes or not will do it. Feel free to add any comments if you like to.
Edited by: Molly on 06/07/2003 19:52:41
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
M0RPHEUS
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:09:00 -
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no! molly darn it....contact me ingame :) i need some cash....
Ask me nicely and I won't pod you... |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:11:00 -
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Spectral Armada members can get some cash from me. By polishing my shoes *winks*.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:13:00 -
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Yesyesyes!
Trading needs nerfing badly! Scrapyard Jack has to travel everywhere with a fleet of nine industrials now, just to carry the ISK he made from last weeks trade runs!
ehehehe!
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Shintai
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:13:00 -
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Nerf them I say, let them feel the economic downturn like the rest of us.
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Levi
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:15:00 -
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Very Good Point! Molly
no risk, yet traders reap great reward. that's not right u can't make that much no where else in the game for just doing jumps and safe jumps now too.
maybe put a virus in cargo every so often that eats away at ships hold, 1000 every minute, so cargo disappears and corps can sell them anti-virus protection at ridiculous prices! ;)
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snotty
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:15:00 -
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no risk = no profit,
get that big pink bat out i say
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Nyrram
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:17:00 -
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Changes that should immediately be made to trading:
1) Supply and demand should be created for all items in unlimited quantities in every system. The only requirement should be going from one station to another.
2) All "safe items" such as papers and food, should be bought at rates lower than they are sold, so that only volatile cargo such as Plutonium and m0o (er.. livestock) are profitable.. the profit on these items should be a flat 1,000,000 isk per m3 of cargo
3) Volatile cargo should have a 99.9% chance of exploding upon being jostled.. IE when exiting a station or entering warp. The resulting explosion should be no less than 20,000 hp/m3 of material...
I think everyone will agree that the above ner... er.. balancing changes would fix trading right up. I wonder how many people would voluntarily transport exploding cows?
Edited by: Nyrram on 06/07/2003 16:18:22
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:20:00 -
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"I think everyone will agree that the above ner... er.. balancing changes would fix trading right up."
Oh, yes!
Scrapyard Jack has been researching just this prospect for several weeks now!
Scrapyard Jack has been able to create a truly balanced trade commodity using a cow, a python mine and 3 litres of synthetic oil (Oh, and a rubber glove).
Risk, reward, it has the lot! (although the cow does look a tad uncomfortable)
ehehehe!
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Big Al
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:21:00 -
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What is wrong with you people?
Why can't you add something constructive?
'It is only when your life flashes before your eyes that you realise how much you have missed.'
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Dr Sanara
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:22:00 -
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I really don't think you need to nerf trading at this point, after 2 days of unbelievable profits the market along the highway is in ruins, prices at the buy points have risen dramatically, prices at the sell points have fallen to unheard of levels, and demand has bottomed out. Since thursday the profit for 32k of spirits has fallen from 2.2 million to as low as 300k.
So you don't have to nerf trading, the market's done it for you.
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Daemun Khanid
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:23:00 -
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No, The highway gates don't really have that much effect on trading. It's not like someone trading can sit and do all their buying and selling with 2 jumps of a highway gate. Regardless of how long it takes to get from one region to another you still end up make 10 - 30 jumps throughout the region you're in to find your goods and sell them. 1 mil every 3 jumps???? Please tell me where. I've yet to find a somewhere I can buy OR sell that many units of a product in a single system. You can spend hours trying to sell a full load of cargo jumping from system to system looking for demand. Mining is more profitable, trading is just more involved and in my opinion more entertaining. I would like to see them get rid of the guns and police in 0.5 and below though. It's much more fun to have to worry about making it to each jumpgate without get blown to bits than just gazing at the swarms of cops around all the gates.
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Nyrram
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:23:00 -
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Scrapyard, I about wet myself.. hahaha
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Nyrram |
Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:24:00 -
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We are adding constructive things. Trading is overpowered, 'nuff said.
'It is only when your life flashes before your eyes that you realise (snip! ehehehe!) you're in Passari! omg nooo!.'
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Levi
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:27:00 -
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2.2 million for a couple jumps - that's outrageous, even 300k. takes forever to make that much anywhere else in eve, with no risk involved.
even with more jumps, autopilot and set back and collect isks, it's ridiculous!
ccp should take all the trader's money back, just like my vex BP copies, had a 2 copy run - first was less then a day from completion and now the 2nd would had been well on it's way. (as of late friday)
Nerf Bat! Nerf Bat! Nerf Bat! :P
Edited by: Levi on 06/07/2003 16:28:24
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:28:00 -
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I will not tell you where. My alt is earning money this way now :P.
It's in the same region. Demand and supply for around 4 Millions of profit with one trade good. And I checked it, 3 days seems to be the iteration for a refresh of the demand and supply.
So I can make 4 Millions ISK alone with afk trading in one hour. Try to beat that with mining or something else with same risk (no at all).
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Hyden
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:29:00 -
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Um, if someone pulling 1.1 mil per run is worrying you...I am sorry to inform you that some traders (with the proper financial backing) can pull a wee bit more than that. But they are at risk. Imagine pulling up to a blocade with 50-100 mil in trade goods...lol. Risk vs. reward...
Ensign hyden(Mining & Transport) - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:29:00 -
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i dunno about this, im amking about 10% profit when i trade, although im only hovering about the 2M mark at the moment.
If your expending 10M capital, that 1m Profit is still only 10%, which is a similar profit margin i get when trading goods using a capital of 1 million.
I havent joined a corp yet, and so trading is the only real way i make make money AND get to travel and see the world..sure as hell beats mining for me!
For players like me who have a small group of friends who dont want to join corps until some corp wars begin, nerfing trading will pretty much kill off trading for us.
10% profit is hardly massive is it? I would have thought making 1M profit from a 10M outlay as reasonable, unless a more experience player would like to tell me why it is overpowered??
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Jack Hayden
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:30:00 -
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Not sure trading is that good, maybe it's just me. Best I found yet was an intersystem route that made med 1,2 million in about 15 minutes of back and forth.
Else, I mostly get 300,000 for avrage of 8 or so jumps. But remember, getting back and forth finding the routes that spans regions takes time, alot of times sometimes, and when you add that up I belive I could make cash faster sucking plagioclase in high sec system.
But for now, I'll try and learn the tricks of the trade.
Edit: Big Al -> How did you arrive at the conclusing that I steal ore? FYI I got a cruiser to suck ore out of plagioclase roid, then haul it in using my Indy. Before you accuse someone of theft, be sure you got evidence to back it up.
Edited by: Jack Hayden on 06/07/2003 16:40:44
Edited by: Jack Hayden on 06/07/2003 16:45:21
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Big Al
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:33:00 -
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That's funny Jack.
If you trade, you run the risk of piracy. The pirate runs the risk of Concorde and bouty hunters.
You, you steal with no risk. Whilst you may think that is an awesome way to get by many other's disagree.
I have had run-ins with MO0 and M3G4 and god knows who else. I didn't complain. It's what the game is about. I've never suffered from cannister theft but I've read some interesting views both for and against.
How's about this for a new thread. Nerf ore theft from cannisters?
And if you don't like **** off! From what I hear, the game will be a better place without you.
On a final note, I'm not a carebear or any such like. I simply do not like the fact that some people enjoy the fact that they can make money in this game at someone else's expense. Not only that, but do it easily, with no fear of reprisal and whoever gets robbed suffers.
Now that to me smells like an exploit. I hate exploiters.
Eheheheh (Snip: I cheat and like it!) ehehehe
'It is only when your life flashes before your eyes that you realise how much you have missed.'
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Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:38:00 -
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"If you trade, you run the risk of piracy."
ehehehe!
It's the fact that traders don't run the risk of privacy which is precisely why trading needs to be nerfed.
Scrapyard Jack thinks Big Hairy Al needs to pay more attention to in-game developments, eh?
As a side note: You suck, as evidened by your readiness to throw around the twin-insults of "cheat" and "exploiter" against people such as poor ol' Jack, who plays within the game mechanics.
Shame on you, Hairy Al .. shame on you!
ehehehe!
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Grange
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:40:00 -
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Maybe, but there are no more blockades, heh.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:57:00 -
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trading is now a joke, ultra fast thanks to the superhighway gates and ultra safe thanks to gate guns. There is no risk at all now and you can afk trade runs in complete safety.
Ah well I am done whining...
/me goes back to his trade routes...
Stav
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snotty
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Posted - 2003.07.06 16:59:00 -
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did some missions yesterday, lvl2 agent, about 8 jumps avarage for 30k.
Ok, i dont need a downpayment of 10M but even with that more then 1M isk for 3 jumps is terreble overpayed. Hunting pre-patch earned me 1M in one hour and you have to be a good miner to make the same amount in one hour.
So trading is bugged and currently all trades are exploiters
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Max Power
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Posted - 2003.07.06 17:02:00 -
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It is very boring now. I just fill my indy with stuff, plot a course in autopilot then go and do something else for 10 mins. I sell the stuff set the return course and repeat.
Sometimes autopilot goes wrong and just sits at a gate for 10 mins while I am having a shower or something and someone may lock on but that's about as exciting as it gets :( Oh, and you pass lots of other afk traders too, but there is no point talking to them - they aren't there.
Lots and lots of isk (55 mill so far solo, 1 hour per day for 2 weeks) but I miss the pirates. I couldn't even face it today so I warped between asteroid belts instead to remind me of what the "threat" sound is like.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.06 17:39:00 -
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All pirates have to do is find out which corps. are making the biggest killing on trade runs and create a corp. war.
You get to kill with impunity and possibly make a sweet profit from dropped goods.
Of course, it's hard work but at least you get to have a fight.
Molly does a lot of running around (when she isn't inventing silly voting threads like this one: Bad, Molly, bad) and she still makes a profit.
Use some smarts - corporation war is the way to go.
P.S: Maybe Max Power's corp would be a good way to start :)
Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 06/07/2003 17:39:36
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Max Power
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Posted - 2003.07.06 17:44:00 -
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It's more of a freelancer thing really. The best in-region trade routes dry up within 1 hour of server reboot - hopefully they'll implement random restocking at some point then I won't have to sneakily login from work :)
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.06 19:47:00 -
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Thats all well and good in theory Josh, but theres 2 minor problems with that.
1) Finding out who's doing it, when, where, and in what ships.
2) They have 24 hours of warning to pull their trade ships before the war is active.
Sorry to shoot that idea down.
-=Maarek Steele=-
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.06 19:56:00 -
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Maarek, ahhh, I've never experienced corp. war so I wasn't aware of the 24hrs warning.
That sucks.
As for finding out who/what/where - that is what alts were made for.
Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 06/07/2003 19:57:47
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 20:02:00 -
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<< All pirates have to do is find out which corps. are making the biggest killing on trade runs and create a corp. war.
You get to kill with impunity and possibly make a sweet profit from dropped goods.
Of course, it's hard work but at least you get to have a fight.
Molly does a lot of running around (when she isn't inventing silly voting threads like this one: Bad, Molly, bad) and she still makes a profit.
Use some smarts - corporation war is the way to go.
P.S: Maybe Max Power's corp would be a good way to start :) >>
I've figured it out. In your signature, it's really a dead horse that guy is beating isn't it?
Trade profit became unbalanced the second the pirates left. People immediately jumped into their industrials, spent every isk they had loading up and began hauling goods like no end. Why? Because the npc pirates at the gate can't even stop a reaper on autopilot.
As for the "Oh it's just a little work!", I did ask you to locate me via you agent. I have haven't left the constellation yet. So since it's so easy to locate someone as you claim, why don't you locate me? I'll even refund the fee.
Edited by: Jash Illian on 06/07/2003 20:02:28
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
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