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Valan
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Posted - 2005.04.26 21:28:00 -
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Angels have always been that little bit harder. It really is a good thing. You can tank 3x1 mill rats at point blank for around ten minutes so they're not impossible.
Although for some bizarre reason that damn Seraphim (1.25) is a pain in the ass compared to the rest, even the 2mill+.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2005.04.26 21:34:00 -
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Stop crying.
Angels are easy to kill. Not everything in this game is easy. Not everything has to be tankable.
Jesuz. Use some skillz.
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Sewell
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Posted - 2005.04.26 21:34:00 -
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A better solution would be to modify Guristas to use all 4 types of dmg (they use missiles after all).
Wonder how many ravens would bite the dust in Niyabainen on the day of such a change...
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Galeo
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Posted - 2005.04.26 21:45:00 -
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WTF is wrong with you people.
The guy raised a valid point, Angels are harder to kill and tank so the rewards should be greater. Maybe he could have said it better, but the logic is perfectly sound. There is no reason to flame it, just agree or disagree, and offer suggestions accordingly, my god, how hard is that.
It's amazing how many people jump straight to OMGWTFJOOANIDIOTn00bFOMORON !!!!!!
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DAS SOLDAT
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Posted - 2005.04.26 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: DAS SOLDAT on 26/04/2005 21:57:11
YUO CAN NOW USED TEH EW ON TEH ANGELSES
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Nemiona
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Posted - 2005.04.26 21:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Valan
Angels have always been that little bit harder. It really is a good thing. You can tank 3x1 mill rats at point blank for around ten minutes so they're not impossible.
Although for some bizarre reason that damn Seraphim (1.25) is a pain in the ass compared to the rest, even the 2mill+.
tank emp.. shoot him with explosive and they die fast. the 2.7 mill one is quite fun 
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Tisiph0ne
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Posted - 2005.04.26 22:23:00 -
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It might be more helpful if you canned the flames and just told the kid how to take down the Angels.
That probably wouldn't be as satisfying though.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.04.26 22:25:00 -
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blah blah blah
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Jiggy
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Posted - 2005.04.26 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tisiph0ne
It might be more helpful if you canned the flames and just told the kid how to take down the Angels.
That probably wouldn't be as satisfying though.
Its no different from any other npc except you cant have as good a tank so its slightly harder, if question2 didnt post atleast one or 2 whinge threads a day he may get a better reception from the community at large.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.04.26 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Valan
Angels have always been that little bit harder. It really is a good thing. You can tank 3x1 mill rats at point blank for around ten minutes so they're not impossible.
Although for some bizarre reason that damn Seraphim (1.25) is a pain in the ass compared to the rest, even the 2mill+.
Tbh i found that one to be easier to kill in my raven then a 750k Angel Bs.
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Kara Kaprica
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Posted - 2005.04.26 23:07:00 -
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Question 2, please use BANE Torpedoes, then re-evaluate your stance or skills
You can absolutly WIPE out Angels with bane torps. For good loot actually, you should fight the blood ships and see the utter crap they drop, admittedly easy to fight, but the angels drop better gear.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.04.26 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Tbh i found that one to be easier to kill in my raven then a 750k Angel Bs.
Think he means it hurts you more, tbh id agree with that after a few angel extrav's
I call um primary, there a pain in the butt.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.04.26 23:48:00 -
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For all of you bashing the guy on how he's having difficulty tangling with Angels, when compaired to other NPC pirates, you might want ot consider actually checking the stats on Agnels first.
An Arch Angel Warlord deals 42 damage Gross, with a 2.5x multiplier and 1s rate of fire 105 dps, before hardening. This Arch Angel Warlord also approches on something on the order of 5km/s, and tends to sit in orbit at about 3km, where it is actually hitting you. This Warlord also happens to be armour tanked with 4250 armour, with its lowest resistance being 50% explosive, average of 63% hardening. It also happens to have it's shields EX hardened at 60% too.
By compairison that Guristas Conquestedor deals 44 gross, with a 3.25 damage mod, but it only has a 3s recycle time, for a mere 48 dps, before hardening. Likewise, this little monster shield tanks with a 47.5% resistance to kinetic and a 61% hardening, and once you get throug hthe shields it has a mere 25% resistance to both kinetic and thermal damage. Oh, and this think *doesn't* do 5kps when trying to hold a firing position, and happily sits at 40km out happily flying into all your shells.
Angel ships on average have higher base damage, stronger tanking, and better close range performance than their counterparts. I think the worst of it is though that they suffer no MWD penalty.
Harry Voyager
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Kim Wu
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Posted - 2005.04.26 23:56:00 -
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You fail to see that Guristas spam missile faster than angel's so your comparison is moot as you are not taking those into account
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Cairhien
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Posted - 2005.04.27 00:20:00 -
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Angels are almost the only NPC I have been fighting since beta. I see no problem with them being harder, so what. If you are Minmatar and belong to Minmatar Corps, Angels are who you fight.
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Nyk0n
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Posted - 2005.04.27 05:25:00 -
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All 1.5m bs npcs have a res @ 50% 60% 70% and 80% (which % goes to which res type varies) on there "tanked defence" be it sheild or armour.
The lower npcs % res does vary, but it sticks to more or less the same trend, angels arnt harder to kill at all.
Sure they are harder to tank atm, but they are nothing like guristas once were, guristas are probably the tamest npc atm, but before there missiles were made kino they made angels look like childrens toys.
Back when bs npcs were first introduced (along with the spawns that felt like 1/2 of said factions army was waiting in the belt 4 u) serpentis were arguably the most dangerous.
During the "roid chaining" days sanshas were the only npc given an intell upgrade, making them fly around the roids rather than stupidly trying to fly though it like every factions npcs, making them dangerous to fight.
They have all had there moments and yea its angels turn atm, but they have far from always been the worst
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Philyus
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Posted - 2005.04.27 06:10:00 -
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They are much harder to tank, yes.
BUT They are FAR worth it. Once you have looted your 5th arby siege in 2 weeks, you will understand.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.04.27 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager
For all of you bashing the guy on how he's having difficulty tangling with Angels, when compaired to other NPC pirates, you might want ot consider actually checking the stats on Agnels first.
An Arch Angel Warlord deals 42 damage Gross, with a 2.5x multiplier and 1s rate of fire 105 dps, before hardening. This Arch Angel Warlord also approches on something on the order of 5km/s, and tends to sit in orbit at about 3km, where it is actually hitting you. This Warlord also happens to be armour tanked with 4250 armour, with its lowest resistance being 50% explosive, average of 63% hardening. It also happens to have it's shields EX hardened at 60% too.
By compairison that Guristas Conquestedor deals 44 gross, with a 3.25 damage mod, but it only has a 3s recycle time, for a mere 48 dps, before hardening. Likewise, this little monster shield tanks with a 47.5% resistance to kinetic and a 61% hardening, and once you get throug hthe shields it has a mere 25% resistance to both kinetic and thermal damage. Oh, and this think *doesn't* do 5kps when trying to hold a firing position, and happily sits at 40km out happily flying into all your shells.
Angel ships on average have higher base damage, stronger tanking, and better close range performance than their counterparts. I think the worst of it is though that they suffer no MWD penalty.
Harry Voyager
OMG a short range battleship does more damage then a long range? Wow that's so completely unlike what players use... wait a sec... Oh and your ignoring missiles and both do use em.
And I've fought many a angel npc. And they're not actually harder at all. Just take a different approach then other NPCs. Personally I find bloods a lot harder to deal with in my deimos then angles by far.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.04.27 07:12:00 -
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/me checks post...
/me sees original poster is question2...
/me prepares for whine...
/me reads whine...
/me sighs.
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Erik Pathfinder
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Posted - 2005.04.27 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Winterblink
Edited by: Winterblink on 26/04/2005 20:40:57
I think the reason people go on the warpath in response to threads like these is because if you look at a week's worth of new threads to this forum you'll find calls for "balance" about every single aspect of EVE.
If the developers had a "listen to the playerbase" week and took all of these "suggestions" as gospel, we could insta-jump with infinite cap around the single system in the game that has unlimited roids. And as we fire the one gun available in the game hitting for a million points of uni-damage against all the other immortal players, the only screams we hear will be the cpu fans on the billing server, under the load of all the subscription cancellations.
LMAO
Good job winterblink, now I need a new keyboard
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