my main concern is more that these farmers are making it harder for new groups who want to come to wh space for the fun for the fights not for a isk printing press. to get set up they woudl rather start with a empty wh and build up. than have to try to clear a wh out . This may not even be a issue in c5 space as i am not sure how many empty wh's there are but there is certainly alot of farmers in c6 space and not alot of empty wh's.

Did you just said that pvp corps have problems taking systems from the dead hands of the farms, and thus they can't establish themselves to pvp?

To begin with, I wonder what would a pvp lover be doing in w-space at all. One doesn't need to be a genius to know how hard is to get pvp in w-space (unless you want to be on the losing side), even before going inside one and start living there.

Btw, good luck if you think that kicking people out of wormholes will magically atract new targets (how doesn't this sound ridicolous to you?). WHs are about greedyness and violence to defend your expensive assets or loot (or take it from others). If I wanted pvp I would join a gd null aliance, or go piratey in low.

Alrigth, forget what I said then, but in MY experience, in low class wh's (up to C3), there's not much to be had, save for a stealth bomber that suicided 5 of our BS/BC while we were bashing a POCO 2 days ago.
Other than that I haven't seen a figth in one or two weeks, and I've been mining and salvaging all over the place...

By the way, the quoted text was talking about how pvpers had difficulties taking over farmer-occupied wh's. The 'not as much pvp' was an addition directed to the general sense of the thread.

What does the price of Nano's matter?

More PVP? More PVE?
Where are you going to find that in WH space with the new (no SDing in pos's) taking effect?

Every large WH corp and alliance will be taking down as many pos's as they can in the next month just to see what they can get. Makes you wonder who the farmers really are. What does this mean? It means they are creating the very thing they are complaining about, not enough pilots to shoot. They will of course go after all the small corporations because they very rarely fight one another.

If you are a small corporation with a lot of assets I would pull the expensive stuff out now before they start their stupid pos takedown marathon.

Disseminating information to the masses.

Other than that I haven't seen a figth in one or two weeks, and I've been mining and salvaging all over the place...

Found the problem. If you aren't looking for it you won't find it.

If all you do is open your static(s), and maybe a few more holes, you aren't going to find much. It's like going to null, making 3-4 jumps and throwing your hands up saying "There is no pew in 0.0!"


You have to scan, or roll a ton to find pew. If you hit empire keep scanning.

.. secrets ...

How does one tell the difference between a 15-man corp building up to be competitive and "true" (LOL) residents of W-space and a 15-man farming corp?

Last I checked, mind-reading was still not a thing.

Found the problem. If you aren't looking for it you won't find it.

If all you do is open your static(s), and maybe a few more holes, you aren't going to find much. It's like going to null, making 3-4 jumps and throwing your hands up saying "There is no pew in 0.0!"

You have to scan, or roll a ton to find pew. If you hit empire keep scanning.

Well, sure, but that's exactly why I am currently considering it hard to find. I welcome pvp (or would do if my combat ship hadnt went kaboom already) if it comes trough a gate/hole, but rolling several holes just to maybe destroy something or lose some ship? Meh, can't be bothered.

So be it.

Self-proclamed pvpers like to complain about pvers no matter what, anyway.

Pveing in hi-sec? Omg risk-averse carebears. Why don't they go null. Drop concord protection, let us kill them.
Pveing in wh's? Omg risk-averse carebears. Why do they come wh's. Get out of here.
And so on.

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Did you forget that it was you who proclaimed wormholes devoid of pvp? As such, when presenting a problem like that (based on common sense... otherwise you wouldn't have posted it), and given a very clear and valid reason for why it has been so for you. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean the people here are "self-proclaimed pvpers" that just whiny for the sake of whining.

Fact is, if y ou want something done in this game, you have to work for it. In wormhole space that is magnified tenfold. The rest of the game works nothing like the E-Uni where you have permanent wardecs and others making stuff happen for you by organizing those fleets to do the roams and such.

Seriously, the way you're talking about thing really does make it look like you're not cut for the wormhole life at all.