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Sushi Nardieu
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:29:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:@OP If you're trying to keep the price of wormhole loot high, doesn't that make you a farmer too? The big wormhole groups who are worth their salt like to train others to do what they love so much. OP clearly wants all the wormhole farming for himself.. Training others to compete against you doing something you love is not counter-productive if you retain YOUR skills. It only adds more depth and excitement to something you love. If you try to prevent other players from living in wormholes and even learning about them, what you end up with is stagnant farming of established blocks. You don't want "gud fites" you want to farm forever without new corps snapping at your heels. If you wanted fights you wouldn't care about 10% reduction in Melted Nano Ribbon prices. Obvious motive is obvious.
Not at all. He lives in wormholes. We classify farmers as those who do the sites and export the ISK to k-space activity.
Every wormholers will PvE at varying degrees. Farmers may only log in once a month however because they play in other parts of EVE. Guns of Knowledge-á |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
285
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:59:00 -
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Sushi Nardieu wrote:We classify farmers as those who do the sites and export the ISK to k-space activity.
You have absolutely no way of knowing who does what with their ISK, unless they are giving it to you.
This is basically a bunch of people (or just the OP) throwing a hissy fit because people wont give them risk-free kill mails. You don't get to tell people how they should fight. You can evict them if you have the means, but crying on the forums about people not throwing their ships at you in fights they have no way of winning seems very childish.
Stop trying to pretend that this is about "saving the ISK!" when it is 100% a temper tantrum about people not giving you what you want. |
Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2012.11.26 13:58:00 -
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G0hme wrote:Wspace is fine, don't mess with it.
This, once again, is the solution to the problem which doesn't exist.
You want more easy kills... seems to be your hidden agenda. When you go out ganking in your uber fit PVP fleet, you really think I'm going to try and fight you with my solo PVE ship? Why do the gank fleets wait until the solo PVE ship has aggro'd several sleepers before attacking? Could it be you want an easier kill for you and your 5 friends? I'll continue to run and hide in my retriever (decided to mine just once in WH so I can say I did it!!) when you and your fleet of 2 T3 strat cruisers and 3 faction frigs come looking for a fair fight!!! ;) I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you. |
Amsterdam Conversations
Viziam Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:49:00 -
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Even the blue loot fact aside (omg, logic, get out of my thread! ), op is highly ironic.
I do like getting fights in w-space, but you know how 49% of possible w-space fights go: Everyone sits on his side of the wormhole, wanting their home advantage, after 2 hours of nothing happening one side collapses. The other 49% are people realizing they can't take on 20 T3s, a triage archon and 2 dreads who then just hug their POSes. The remaining 2% are somewhat fair fights.
A very high majority of w-space fights are just ganks. And I love ganks. If carebears carebear too much, then ******* kill them, or do sites yourself.
You do realize that if everyone was only in WHs for PVP, you would lose your carebearing fleets over and over and over again and no one would even farm enough for cheap T3s? I don't mind PVP, but I also don't mind people making ISK like anywhere else in this game, I also don't mind 500m T3s.
Also stop waiting for PVP to come at you. There's plenty of ways to find PVP.
Do it like Exhale and invade. Do it like RNK and just be awesome. Do it like VoC and roam null.
If you want PVP and don't like carebears, then kick carebears out. Actual carebears won't realize that you are bringing in multiple caps over days, they won't play hole control. Just please stop complaining about an issue that is none. |
Lord Azori
Team Pizza No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:50:00 -
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In the time it took me to read this entire thread, I could have earned 150mill from sites. I am pretty sure WH's are not broken. Agree, kill the bastard farmers, but nothing is broken ATM. |
Rakassan
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:48:00 -
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I love this thread already it has such trolling promise!
Personally I love teaching people about wormholes and then looting the field after them. Just saying.
You too will be spacerich some day FNG.
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Vanths
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:08:00 -
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WH value is fine, and I can't see it going down the pan anytime soon.
On the other hand I scanned into a C5 today containing a single 8 member 'farming' corp with 2 moros, a thanatos and a chimera and a few tengus warping back to POS with probes out. They cycled the k162 within a couple of minutes of it spawning.
I suppose risk averse play is normal and I don't like it, but it won't take much of a slip up on their part to be hurt pretty bad with numbers like that so it's only a matter of time before nature rectifies THAT problem.
Let the game and nature of WH space evolve by itself, and evolve with it. That's the beauty of EVE. Don't go crying to the devs the moment your ideals and methods get outdated. |
Illipsys
Bite Me inc
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:43:00 -
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essentially +1 what jack has said.
When I started in WH's ( with Future Corps i might add ) nano prices were at where they are now. Prices are fluctuating not simply because of farmers, but many other outside influences, shifts in nullsec doctrines, fall away from summer slump so more people are active again, producing more ribbons! it's not just the farmers pve'ing more you know :) i've gotta pay for my t3's somehow.
If you honestly believe that ribbons are the mainstay of high end wh income too, i believe you need to go back to the wiki also ;) i wonder if my guides are still on there...
I'm whole heartedly against the idea you propose because i'm too used to rolling into empty systems, while their ability to be almost 100% safe at the minute is frustrating, it is being addressed on december 4th. put away the violin and be patient, you should be used to that living in a WH anyway surely ^^. I'm uncertain if the following is true also, but isn't there something about not being able to SD inside POS shields?
If both of the above points are the case, then a) they cant SD their **** when you corner them and B) if you're worth your salt you'll be able to catch the ******* in about 1 week.
Be patient or deal with it, removing people from one of the more sparsely populated niches of the game will not enrich our gameplay, but detract from it.
p.s HAI GAIS |
Sammybear
Awakened Brotherhood The Brotherhood Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.27 10:43:00 -
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Illipsys wrote:essentially +1 what jack has said. I'm whole heartedly against the idea you propose because i'm too used to rolling into empty systems, while their ability to be almost 100% safe at the minute is frustrating, it is being addressed on december 4th.
Sorry, I thought I kept up well on the patch, but what in the patch affects safety in a WH? Forgive me if I missed something very obvious |
Vjorn Angannon
Middleton and Mercer LLP Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2012.11.27 11:13:00 -
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Sammybear wrote:Illipsys wrote:essentially +1 what jack has said. I'm whole heartedly against the idea you propose because i'm too used to rolling into empty systems, while their ability to be almost 100% safe at the minute is frustrating, it is being addressed on december 4th. Sorry, I thought I kept up well on the patch, but what in the patch affects safety in a WH? Forgive me if I missed something very obvious
Check out the devblog about The New and Improved Crimewatch
Specifically this:
"PVP Flag: This flag is activated when one player uses offensive modules against another. The initiator of the action will get a PVP flag. If the recipient is a piloted ship, then the owner of this ship will also get a PVP flag. Having this flag will prevent a ship from being removed from space if the pilot logs off. This flag functions in all areas of space."
and;
"NPC Flag: This flag is activated when a player uses offensive modules against an NPC (or vice-versa). Having this flag will prevent a ship from being removed from space if the pilot logs off. This flag functions in all areas of space."
Admittedly tho, I haven't read all the comments and any other proposals within, yet. |
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Abdul Secheh
Grey Legion of Death Nazguls.
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Posted - 2012.11.27 12:37:00 -
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Illipsys wrote: I'm uncertain if the following is true also, but isn't there something about not being able to SD inside POS shields?
THIS! +1
Same opinion about PvP, no one will risk (if only you are not Garmon) your pretty ship if you feel TOTALLY suppressed by opposite numbers.
About isk making and risk in WH. You take a lot of risk while you do the anomalies in WH, with winter aggro fixes risks will be much higher. you get a lot but you risk a lot. thats the deal. |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.11.27 12:58:00 -
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Pretty much what my opinion of things are has been already been said, but here's a tl;dr version to save everyone
1. IMO more people in WH space the better. This means more people to hunt and shoot 2. All items on the market in Eve (& RL) go in cycles with highs & lows. 3. With the looming POS changes - sieging the "farmers" will be worth your time as they can't self destuct anything in their POS' while you are nailing their manparts to the wall
Cheers,
Sith May you be one with Bob |
Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
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Posted - 2012.11.27 15:17:00 -
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Atleast the Miner bumper James 315 isnt in WH's. I love WH's since I have recently started to setup shop in one. I actually see the OP's point of view if your not willing to defend your WH then you dont deserve to be there. On the other hand WH's can be quite lucrative to the risk adverse pilot aka carebears. So kudos to the bear for stealing said wh profits. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Matt Ellis
Infinity Engine
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Posted - 2012.11.27 15:58:00 -
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To be honest, i'll agree and say that it sounds like you're moaning about people POSing up when a huge fleet comes.. Heck, if im hilariously outnumbered and outgunned, i wont stick around and fight when it means dying without a single chance of at least taking one guy with me... Call be a care-bear all you like, but i prefer fair fights.. don't particularly like getting my PvE ships hot-dropped by 10 T3s... not really that fun, is it? |
Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:25:00 -
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Lol, people are still posting in this thread... Damn it, so am I! |
Illipsys
Bite Me inc
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Posted - 2012.11.27 17:43:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:Lol, people are still posting in this thread... Damn it, so am I!
when did you ever stop posting? ;)
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MyrddinBishop
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:50:00 -
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Disclaimer: The posts in this thread do not necessarily reflect that of the SSC or FCFTW management. Our official position on the matter is: W-Space is fine. Leave it alone. |
Loki Lore
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
0
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Posted - 2012.11.28 01:32:00 -
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LMFAO
Just saw this thread. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
880
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Posted - 2012.11.28 02:46:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Atleast the Miner bumper James 315 isnt in WH's. and the most random comment award goes to... WHs could do with more people like James, not less. |
Terrorfrodo
GNADE Inc.
242
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Posted - 2012.11.28 10:23:00 -
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The current low prices for Nanoribbons hurt C1 and C2 income a lot because there the ribbons are the bulk of the loot, the blue loot is almost worthless. In C3 the MNR are still about 40% of site value, or used to be when they were at ~7m. So it's not true that blue loot accounts for 80-90% of loot value unless you live in C5/6.
That said, I also assume that the dive in MNR prices has more to do with incoming HML and T3 nerfs than increased farming activity. . |
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Sammybear
Awakened Brotherhood The Brotherhood Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.28 10:32:00 -
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Vjorn Angannon wrote:Check out the devblog about The New and Improved CrimewatchSpecifically this: "PVP Flag: This flag is activated when one player uses offensive modules against another. The initiator of the action will get a PVP flag. If the recipient is a piloted ship, then the owner of this ship will also get a PVP flag. Having this flag will prevent a ship from being removed from space if the pilot logs off. This flag functions in all areas of space." and; "NPC Flag: This flag is activated when a player uses offensive modules against an NPC (or vice-versa). Having this flag will prevent a ship from being removed from space if the pilot logs off. This flag functions in all areas of space." Admittedly tho, I haven't read all the comments and any other proposals within, yet.
Ah hah! Thanks for the run down on it. I had not really related logout timers to WH fights, but it does make sense :D |
Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
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Posted - 2012.11.28 14:31:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:Atleast the Miner bumper James 315 isnt in WH's. and the most random comment award goes to... WHs could do with more people like James, not less.
Thank You Thank You I would like to thank james 315 and god for this award (Bows to audience and holds award up high) Thank you all again. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
sean1121
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.11.28 16:02:00 -
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TL;DR Wormholes are hard yo, and I like it hard. Also, more QQ please.
Illipsys wrote:p.s HAI GAIS
HAI Illi! |
Angsty Teenager
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:47:00 -
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They could just put more T3 ships in the game and not increase the amount of sleeper salvage and BAM INCREASED PRICES **** YEA.
T3's are a joke ship class though, like really, SP loss? What a dumb mechanic. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
448
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:57:00 -
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came here for carebear bash. left thoroughly confused.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.28 18:14:00 -
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MyrddinBishop wrote:Disclaimer: The posts in this thread do not necessarily reflect that of the SSC or FCFTW management. Our official position on the matter is: W-Space is fine. Leave it alone.
+1 to SCC or FCFTW position. There is no problem with WH so we don't need any fixes. Just leave the dang game alone people...
btw, I am in no way affiliated with SCC or FCFTW :) I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you. |
WInter Borne
Cold Station 12 Surely You're Joking
13
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:56:00 -
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Too lazy to read everything.....
...but one thing i'd like to point out.
Cheaper sleeper loot means cheaper t3's (provided the producers are still producing with the utterly terrible margins).
Cheaper t3's means more people will pvp with them. |
WInter Borne
Cold Station 12 Surely You're Joking
13
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:59:00 -
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Matt Ellis wrote:To be honest, i'll agree and say that it sounds like you're moaning about people POSing up when a huge fleet comes.. Heck, if im hilariously outnumbered and outgunned, i wont stick around and fight when it means dying without a single chance of at least taking one guy with me... Call be a care-bear all you like, but i prefer fair fights.. don't particularly like getting my PvE ships hot-dropped by 10 T3s... not really that fun, is it? Well that largely depends on your definition of "fun".....some of us are quite taken with the concept of diving a wormhole against impossible odds and seeing how many of us make it out alive. |
mulgrew Malukker
Essential Research
1
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Posted - 2012.11.29 16:00:00 -
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Having met SSS a few time now over the time ive lived in WH space (going on 2 years ) i would have to say reading his comments that his idea of a good fight and mine would not be the same, and nobody in WH's would stay out in there mining barge or single T3 running sites when you see 10-15 ships on dscan come into your wh. The 1 time we did take the fight out to them were they still had bigger numbers they called in for reinforcements so it was still a gank :) , now dont get me wrong im not moaning i know this is eve and out in the wilds i dont think there is such a think as a fair fight as the attacking side wouldnt take it, so while you can keep going on about people wont come out and let you gank there ships you may want to take a look at the reason why, and as for sleeper loot dropping in value things do live with it or go back to high sec mining Trit is holding a good price at the mo :) |
Matt Ellis
Infinity Engine
9
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Posted - 2012.11.29 16:04:00 -
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WInter Borne wrote:Matt Ellis wrote:To be honest, i'll agree and say that it sounds like you're moaning about people POSing up when a huge fleet comes.. Heck, if im hilariously outnumbered and outgunned, i wont stick around and fight when it means dying without a single chance of at least taking one guy with me... Call be a care-bear all you like, but i prefer fair fights.. don't particularly like getting my PvE ships hot-dropped by 10 T3s... not really that fun, is it? Well that largely depends on your definition of "fun".....some of us are quite taken with the concept of diving a wormhole against impossible odds and seeing how many of us make it out alive.
Oh, that i enjoy, but what i dont enjoy, is going into a fight where there is 0% chance i can make a dent. Multiple Logis, Jammers AND a tonne of DPS against a few stragglers isnt a fair or even a fun fight... To Shoot your ship at them would be reckless, and i'm not reckless... |
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