high sec can mean perfect security, no reason it can't. Its a sandbox game.

It's perfectly safe as long as you're in an NPC corp, avoid deliberately pissing people off, never autopilot in your pod and never have enough in your hold/fittings to make suiciding you profitable.

There's also a reason why it can't mean perfect security: because the game would no longer function if it did.

The cargo argument isn't reliable. There are many players who will take a net loss in exchange for a nice killmail.

what a foolish thing to say.

I see the statement made that "hi sec is not perfect sec" quite often.

What if hi sec were perfectly secure?

I mean no pvp of any type and you were completely unable to harm another player while in hi sec unless there was an active war between your corps.

What would the consequences be? Would it impact the players who live out in Null Sec to any significant degree? Would it impact the players who practice piracy in low sec?

I know it would have consequences for those who like to gank miners and freighters etc in hi sec but what other changes would occur?

I am asking this because I want to know, not because I think this is how it should be. I am curious and looking for an answer.

The cargo argument isn't reliable. There are many players who will take a net loss in exchange for a nice killmail. It applies in regards to some but not all.

Tippia why do you even try?

A 25% reduction in active players over the last two years should concern you. (Source: Eve-offline.net)

I've already suggested this. Islands of 1.0 with enhanced Concord and local police around the new player areas. Not because I would like to see it personally, but in an effort to keep more new players in the game.
You can't keep losing players and expect the game to continue. A 25% reduction in active players over the last two years should concern you. (Source: Eve-offline.net)

How can that be a source when eve-offline does not track that kind of data?

Seriously Tippia, you can't read a graph?

Not really, no.

It's a PvP game with two core components GÇö industry and warfare GÇö feeding each other and interacting through a competitive market. Remove one part and the rest become meaningless, and then the game falls apart.

Get off the forums and get a grip. You aren't living in reality. There are plenty of succesful pvp games that have areas of perfect safety.

EVE would fall apart if empire were perfectly safe?


Get off the forums and get a grip. You aren't living in reality. There are plenty of succesful pvp games that have areas of perfect safety.

Its amazing how bent out of shape the cowardly high--sec "pvpers" get when their riskless/brainless "pvp" is threatened and put under the microscope.e Its about time EVE stopped being a haven for cowards who pvp under the protection of concord.

I see the statement made that "hi sec is not perfect sec" quite often.

What if hi sec were perfectly secure?

I mean no pvp of any type and you were completely unable to harm another player while in hi sec unless there was an active war between your corps.

What would the consequences be? Would it impact the players who live out in Null Sec to any significant degree? Would it impact the players who practice piracy in low sec?

I know it would have consequences for those who like to gank miners and freighters etc in hi sec but what other changes would occur?

I am asking this because I want to know, not because I think this is how it should be. I am curious and looking for an answer.

That is why they can not allow you to ask this question, why high sec should be not High Sec.

Actually high sec is in fact, high sec. What it isn't, is perfect sec.

EVE would fall apart if empire were perfectly safe?

There are plenty of succesful pvp games that have areas of perfect safety.

That is why they can not allow you to ask this question, why high sec should be not High Sec.

it is often less High Sec than Low sec or 0.0 sec, if you fly in something that is worth to be sucide ganked or if they have another reason to suicide gank.

lots of yadayada as always

Let me put it this way: High Sec is simply miss-labeled.

you are act as if there would be no destruction if high sec were perfectly safe.

You'd be surprised at how much is lost in Highsec to Suicide ganking and Wars I think. Just consider for a moment, that the largest concentration of ship kills is currently in Empire, and then, that ganker ships are destroyed in the process of suicide ganking.

Freighter gank = ~30 Tornado's, One Freighter, plus any destroyed cargo and modules = ~3.1 billion to any possible amount that can fit in the hold of that freighter plus all modules and cargo on involved ships. Minimum, about a 3 billion ISK, (based on market), loss.

I'm basing that entirely on the fact that I've heard from various sources that it takes ~30 Tornados to guarantee a gank on a Freighter.

Hulks run ~ 150 million plus mods.

My last BS loss in Jita was a Hyperion and netted about 290 million for modules and ship. I built it myself, so the real loss there was the minerals taken off the market to make it and the modules someone else put on the market which I bought and fit it with.

Recently, I'd say that a large portion of these losses has been in Highsec. Either way, I don't want to see Highsec any safer than it currently is or will be or not be in Retribution. This as a player who doesn't Pirate or gank and never has.