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Question2
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Posted - 2005.04.27 17:10:00 -
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Anyone noticed this?
I work in a 0.3 sec system.Previously most(about 98% i would say) missions would occur in the same system,with a few notable exceptions(mostly mordus/duo of death).
Now though it seems like 50% or more of the time the mission BM is in another system.
Travelling 15 km to the gate both before and after i complete the mission is starting to annoy the hell out of me,and missions that i used to do in 15 minutes have been extended to 25-30.....with no increase in rewards to compensate.
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Kim Wu
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Posted - 2005.04.27 17:23:00 -
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oh no, you have to leave your system!
shock, horror!
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2005.04.27 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ruffio Sepico on 27/04/2005 17:31:54
 Originally by: Kim Wu
oh no, you have to leave your system!
shock, horror!
Dont you want to post with your main when you diss on the forums or what? Amthrianius  
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Zeromancer
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Posted - 2005.04.27 17:32:00 -
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Insta BMs is your friend.
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Kim Wu
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Posted - 2005.04.27 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Edited by: Ruffio Sepico on 27/04/2005 17:31:54
Originally by: Kim Wu
oh no, you have to leave your system!
shock, horror!
Dont you want to post with your main when you diss on the forums or what? Amthrianius
People know this is my alt KEYSTROKE :p
Just looking at my char from uni ;)
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Question2
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Posted - 2005.04.27 18:09:00 -
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I think you are missing the point.
Travelling in a heavily tanked and armed ship is slow.People dont like sitting waiting for their ship to reach the gate this many times when they take a mission.Occasionally,its fine.But its more than 50% now.
Insta-BMs can only be done one way anyway,since theres no way to predict where the mission will take place,you cant make a insta for it.
Theres also the slight effect that this directly lowers the amount of money mission runners can make by making them take more time than before to do missions.
As there are no increase in rewards for going to BMs that are outside the system, the golden ratio has been drastically altered it seems.
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2005.04.27 18:24:00 -
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Make instas to each of the gates in the system you're running the missions out of.
Then make 1 insta on each side from one of the planets, and just warp to that planet before you use the insta to come home. It takes a little bit longer, but not much.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.04.27 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Question2
Theres also the slight effect that this directly lowers the amount of money mission runners can make by making them take more time than before to do missions.
With instas, even indirect instas (planet to gate), and an extra 3 jumps lets say, thats maybe an extra 6 minutes per mission, TOPS. Its usually a bit less than 1 minute to get thru a system with instas.
Any decrease in income would be pretty slight...
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trumansho
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Posted - 2005.04.27 19:09:00 -
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you want a mission try this one. important mission. 4 jumps out. 5 waves all all cn so no rewards for killing them. all cans of course crap(why did i bother) and my reward was 400k and ooh 1 very very uber ion blaster worth 700k. if i knew the outcome of this :important" mission i would have told the agent to ^%$#@ it. was waste of my time. would have preferred having my teeth pulled out at the dentist
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Aureus
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Posted - 2005.04.27 20:04:00 -
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You sure you not just happening to get those missions that normally send you out more often?
For exmaple:
Stop The Thief
Seek And Destroy
The Rogue Slave Trader
Intercept the Pirate Smugglers
Sabotaged
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these all traidtionally send you off beyond home system prior to patch
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.04.27 20:43:00 -
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Even pre-patch, I would get sent out of system for some missions, typically 1 or 2 jumps. Every time it happened, I made instas. As time wore on, I found myself using the instas rather than having to make new ones. Because agents reuse the same systems, if you know you will be working for the same agent for a month or two, it is worth doing.
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Mankind mkII
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Posted - 2005.04.27 21:46:00 -
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OMG the world is ending . Level 4 agents missions were far too easy to start and now that u have to travel a little u do nothing but complain.
Damn it i cant be bothered travelling all the time does that mean i can hope that ccp will spawn domination or dread rats in my local so that i dont actually have to travel.As has been said before ADAPT AND GET USED TO IT !!
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Bleakheart
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Posted - 2005.04.28 02:32:00 -
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Haven't noticed, but since I posted about not seeing an Extravaganza mission for six weeks about two days ago, I've gotten three. Same system and everything. Oh and one important mission, couple jumps out but that's no different from before.
The reward time was too short to get the laser focusing crystals(?), but really I just want to see what the next mission will be when I'm doing them at this point.
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Aureus
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Posted - 2005.04.28 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mankind mkII
OMG the world is ending. Level 4 agents missions were far too easy to start and now that u have to travel a little u do nothing but complain.
Damn it i cant be bothered travelling all the time does that mean i can hope that ccp will spawn domination or dread rats in my local so that i dont actually have to travel.As has been said before ADAPT AND GET USED TO IT !!
Yeah, I'll adapt to it as much as you and your ilk have adapted to people being happy doing level 4 misisons the way they were.
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Aureus
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Posted - 2005.04.28 03:08:00 -
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Yeah actually your right Question2... I'm getting a rather consistent extra jump for all my missions, even Rogue Drone Harassment and the Extravaganza mission- which always used to be in same system :(
Yay let's make this game more fun by adding travel time
The nerf bat is coming down on agent missions, thanks to the fevered pitch of whining and moaning by a select few who just aren't content to let other people have any fun. We need to take a few pointers from them and learn how to whine like that. Perhaps I need to castrate myself in order to reach that high-pitch nagging sound in my voice like they do?
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Mankind mkII
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Posted - 2005.04.28 03:12:00 -
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U guys want everything on a silver platter just because u have to work a little harder now ie by having to do a extra few jumps to do your missions boo hoo cry me a river so what u have to travel a few jumps u have had it easy with lvl4 agents till and its about time ccp made it a tad more difficult for u.
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Aureus
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Posted - 2005.04.28 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mankind mkII
U guys want everything on a silver platter just because u have to work a little harder now ie by having to do a extra few jumps to do your missions boo hoo cry me a river so what u have to travel a few jumps u have had it easy with lvl4 agents till and its about time ccp made it a tad more difficult for u.
so no response to my comment? Why haven't you adapted to the situation where people were content with their agent missions? Did they spoil your fun? And then now you go blurting out for other people to adapt to the nerfing going on? Hypocrit much?
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Mankind mkII
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Posted - 2005.04.28 03:34:00 -
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Ok so u say that its fair for those that are out in 0.0 to have to travel numerous jumps to find good npcs? while u expect all ur lvl 4 missions to be in your local so as u do not need to travel anywhere and hence making ur life easier and so u can make more profit?
Im happy for u all that do level4 agent missions and yes i do them myself at times but come on stop trying to kid yourselfs that l4 missions havent been far too easy.
As to your comment on peeps doing l4 missions spoiling my fun well I can assure that it hasnt because despite what u think im not pirate/griefer whatever u want to call them I dont sit and camp choke points into 0.0 I very rarely fly in blobs. I usally fly own my own looking for pvp or in a small group of 3-5 ships.
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Aureus
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Posted - 2005.04.28 03:59:00 -
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ok so empire had it's local missions while 0.0 had it's chaining... or should we take away chaining now so npc hunters in 0.0 have to actually move as well? Chaining is even worse, you dont have to fly back to station and take another mission- you just sit in one spot and wait.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.04.28 09:05:00 -
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Last night, I had a deadspace mission in an adjacent system for the first time ever, so something has definitely changed.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.04.28 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Aureus
Yay let's make this game more fun by adding travel time
You know, I generally try to take in to account and respect peoples opinions, but you're moaning about ONE jump? That you can set an insta for??
Man, get something worth complaining about, 1 jump isn't it.
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Olivin
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Olivin on 28/04/2005 22:32:59
Edited by: Olivin on 28/04/2005 22:32:17
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Aureus
Yay let's make this game more fun by adding travel time
You know, I generally try to take in to account and respect peoples opinions, but you're moaning about ONE jump? That you can set an insta for??
Man, get something worth complaining about, 1 jump isn't it.
Yes, one jump to kill missions doesn't sounds that bad. But do you
know how many jumps has been added to the transport missions?
At least 3. And there are "new" missions, like 24 jumps in total. Will
you do it, for ...140.000 isk and both ends of the mission in the camped
systems? Of course not. But if you were working for 3 months, trying
to please this agent ugly a$$, you don't have much of the choice or do
you?
Personally, I'am moaning abut my LP's been stack with agent who is suck
now regardless of my 9.8 standing. The last thing I want to do, is to spent
half of my playing time hauling 20 bottles of wine across the galaxy and
been paid for doing it below janitor minimum wage at Serpentis slave working facility.
Olivin
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Mankind mkII
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:51:00 -
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Ok so its not ok for ccp to add jumps onto l4 agent missions yet u think that its perfectly fine that peeps out in 0.0 have to travel a few to alot of jumps to get to decent npc spawns or decent roids. seems to me that u are wanting ur missions in the system ur agent is in so that u need not travel what so ever.Do u think that this fair?
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.04.29 00:38:00 -
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Do u think that this fair?
it been said like thousand times: 0.1-0.4 is way more dangerous than 0.0.
Im sorry, but if by adapting ppl mean having the same ship to be tank, pvp and gate-camp runner i say screw you, try it first.
Its like pirating wasnt too easy already - yeah, lets make mission-runners fight both rats and gate-camps
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Olivin
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Posted - 2005.04.29 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mankind mkII
Ok so its not ok for ccp to add jumps onto l4 agent missions yet u think that its
perfectly fine that peeps out in 0.0 have to travel a few to alot of jumps to get to decent npc spawns or decent
roids. seems to me that u are wanting ur missions in the system ur agent is in so that u need not travel
what so ever.Do u think that this fair?
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First of all, I was talking about L3 missions. Second of all, 23 jumps mission reward is equal to
one NPC bounty in 0.0 belt. And don't even try to compare "decent npc spawns and roids" with
the L3 best mission by time it take to complete, risks involved and the reward you get. Yes, after
the patch, L3 missions are not safe any more, even if your agent located in the highest security space.
My L3 agent from Duvolle Labs located in the 0.9 system. I choose this agent 4 months ago,
because:
1. I was looking to work for L4 R&D agents
2. This agent located in the same station as one of my R&D agents
3. Duvolle didn't have ( at that time) low security agents
4. This agent has decent quality
5. This agent was giving 50/50 kill and transport mission, which is not bad
since research corps agents usually give only transport missions.
Ok, mission rewards ( before patch) were pathetic, but it was OK, because:
1. No risk involved. Transport misisons could be done afk.
2. Bounties from kill missions were ok and allow to maintain some cash flow
for the ship replacement, new skill books, lab rentals, etc
3. Average of 200LP per mission were promising implants, consumer goods
and faction mods in the long run.
4. Agent mission rewards and bonuses was poor in general, but there
and then you get T2 drops, skill books and some other useful staff.
But after patch, it's NOT ok and NOT fair anymore, because:
1. High risk involved. Transport missions have average of 3-5 jumps added
and in low sec space. Can't be done afk. Risk is higher than running exactly
same missions in 0.0, because you basically doing them in the pirates
infested systems ( 0.2 -0.4).
2. Bounties from the kill missions are same, but every kill mission now
have extra jump added and total of kill missions given by the agent is
reduced.
3. Average of 100LP per mission, where missions now takes longer
twice of the time to complete is not amusing.
4. Agent mission rewards was nerfed in general and T2 components
will be removed shortly.
If you want to call it FAIR, please do the following:
1. Allow to Transfer LP between the agents in the same corporation.
2. Put more agents in low security space, for every corporation.
3. Use random pick-up and drop-off points for the transport missions
to avoid constant abuse and camping of the missions destination systems.
4. Make rewards for transport missions based on to total jumps, transit
systems security status and cargo size.
Olivin
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