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Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ 8	Posted - 2012.11.29 04:06:00 - [91] - Quote I've sent out invitations to a number of corp CEO's, inviting them to join my alliance and add their strength to the coming campaign. If any CEO's reading this would like to be involved, send me a message in-game asking for an invitation to be sent to you.
Altaen Calamitous-Intent 16	Posted - 2012.12.03 21:58:00 - [92] - Quote Will this alliance participate in the war between the Tribal Liberation Force and the 24th Imperial Crusade? Or will your focus be exclusively related to sovholders loyal to the Empire? Or are you also open to waging war against slave traders in the Throne Worlds? I ask mainly because so many of those that might otherwise be most suited to fighting slavers in the systems where they ply their trade are unable to do so effectively due to interference from Amarr law enforcement. Just curious if you've taken this into consideration in your plans. It might be time for some motivated individuals to bring the war to Amarr Prime.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 1217	Posted - 2012.12.03 22:25:00 - [93] - Quote Zaara Arran wrote: Don't worry, he won't make you come in just one room. Oh... wow. Wow, I'm coming over all bashful now. I mean I know I'm not bad in... you know, that department. But I rarely get complimented publicly on my prowess. By people I don't think I've ever met. Or had... relations with. Mane 614
Markius TheShed Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 114	Posted - 2012.12.04 14:43:00 - [94] - Quote Alexia Morgan wrote: Our people are depending on us. Let's do this. Over 7 years ago Onnen Mentar founded our corp and started a fight similar to the one you are beginning, And now it is the executor corp of a Alliance with over 200 pilots. Our alliance and I'm sure others involved in the Minmatar militia will be happy to help you anytime. Murientor Tribe Killing Slavers, Ammatar and Nafantar Traitors since YC107
Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders 8	Posted - 2012.12.04 19:54:00 - [95] - Quote Markius TheShed wrote: Our alliance and I'm sure others involved in the Minmatar militia will be happy to help you anytime. Thank you for your support. I'll be in touch!
Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders 9	Posted - 2012.12.04 23:54:00 - [96] - Quote By the way, for all those who were interested in supporting us or being part of us, we're now established. The corp is called Matari Raiders HQ. We're looking for elite PVP pilots to join us who have experience with guerilla operations in nullsec. The recruitment ad is here. And of course, any corporations that want to join us, please contact me to discuss becoming a part of the Matari Raiders. Thanks for your support everyone!
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 1222	Posted - 2012.12.05 01:08:00 - [97] - Quote I'll offer my support to such an endeavour. I'm not interested in joining the alliance right now, but when it comes time for a major offensive, I can bring a ship or two to help you. Mane 614
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club 654	Posted - 2012.12.05 03:01:00 - [98] - Quote Alexia Morgan wrote: By the way, for all those who were interested in supporting us or being part of us, we're now established. The corp is called Matari Raiders HQ. We're looking for elite PVP pilots to join us who have experience with guerilla operations in nullsec. The recruitment ad is here. And of course, any corporations that want to join us, please contact me to discuss becoming a part of the Matari Raiders. Thanks for your support everyone! Huh... wow... those eyes. Has anyone ever told you you look exactly like my ex girlfriend? No, I don't imagine they would have, hi, I'm Istvaan!
Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders 9	Posted - 2012.12.05 03:06:00 - [99] - Quote Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: Huh... wow... those eyes. Has anyone ever told you you look exactly like my ex girlfriend? No, I don't imagine they would have, hi, I'm Istvaan! Pleased to meet you
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 133	Posted - 2012.12.05 03:29:00 - [100] - Quote War is what enslaves your people. So long as you let hate dominate your hearts & minds you will never be truly free. EvE Forum Bingo

Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders 9	Posted - 2012.12.05 03:34:00 - [101] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: War is what enslaves your people. So long as you let hate dominate your hearts & minds you will never be truly free. Actually, it's you who enslave our people. And when I've ended you and your kind, then our people will be free and there will be nothing left to hate.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 177	Posted - 2012.12.05 03:51:00 - [102] - Quote Alexia Morgan wrote: Katran Luftschreck wrote: War is what enslaves your people. So long as you let hate dominate your hearts & minds you will never be truly free. Actually, it's you who enslave our people. And when I've ended you and your kind, then our people will be free and there will be nothing left to hate. I don't think she's even a holder. And even if she is, I'd like to see, ya know, some proof that she is enslaving your people... You know, names, places, stuff like that. And why am I asking for proof? Simple. Because I believe that your words are BS.
Streya Jormagdnir Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2012.12.05 04:37:00 - [103] - Quote Or, you know, we could just do what I suggested? Stay on the move, and if they come for us use our mobility to our advantage and punch their nose until they leave us alone? Some key advantage points to this plan: If the Amarr can't catch us, they can't enslave us. If we're not being enslaved, new stock won't come from us... All the ninth-generation slaves are being freed, at least in the Amarr Empire. Not sure about the legality of that particular proclamation in the Ammatar Mandate or Khanid Kingdom. Any info here? After some time, no more slavery for our people! The only flaw I can find here is the common criticism of "So you're just going to leave our brothers behind who are still enslaved?". Of course not! I'm all for the Freedom Fighters who slip into the Empire's borders in a small ship and take slaves who wanted to leave and free them. But an all-out war that might leave people homeless and starving? People who, while genetically Matari, are Amarrian in culture and worldview? If, after being told of their opportunity to leave and presented with it, such people decide to stay...then that's their Path! Their Path to walk! This does not allow us to abdicate our efforts, of course. Freedom fighters must continue to sneak into slave-holding space and present the people with the choice of freedom. But it must be a choice. Anything else would be hypocrisy. You cannot coerce a person into being free, after all. I do not say these words lightly. I am confident the Spirits will inspire those destined for a path among the Tribes to walk it, when given the chance.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 142	Posted - 2012.12.05 16:39:00 - [104] - Quote Alexia Morgan wrote: And when I've ended you and your kind, then our people will be free and there will be nothing left to hate. You're wrong. There is always someone else to hate. After the Amarr then the Caldari. After the Caldari then the Gallente. After the Gallente it's right back inter-tribal warfare. A common enemy is what united your tribes in the first place, and, being based entirely on this need, without constantly having someone to fight or your entire Republic would collapse. Well, perhaps not collapse. More likely they would actually change into something better. A government more concerned with promoting the well-being of it's citizens than with sacrificing them in a blood-feud. Here, I found this is an old book... remind you of anyone? "War, it will be seen, accomplishes the necessary destruction, but accomplishes it in a psychologically acceptable way. In principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labour of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them. But this would provide only the economic and not the emotional basis for a hierarchical society. What is concerned here is not the morale of masses, whose attitude is unimportant so long as they are kept steadily at work, but the morale of the Party itself. Even the humblest Party member is expected to be competent, industrious, and even intelligent within narrow limits, but it is also necessary that he should be a credulous and ignorant fanatic whose prevailing moods are fear, hatred, adulation, and orgiastic triumph. In other words it is necessary that he should have the mentality appropriate to a state of war. It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist." In the end you're government isn't much different that ours. The difference is that since we openly admit to the realities of our hierarchy while your people delude themselves into thinking that prosperity is just around the corner... just as soon as you get done wining this war... there will be chocolate and toilet paper for everyone. Any day now... oh drat, a new enemy to fight. The struggle continues, your society stagnates but your military leaders stay in power. And that's all that matters in the end - power. Power for those who command your armies and by that they command your entire society. We place our authority in priests while you place yours in generals and warlords. And yes, our priests command our society with the same grip that your warlords use to command yours. We have no delusions otherwise. But the idea of peace does not threaten the power of the Theology Council. Peace leads to prosperity and prosperity affirms our Faith. The difference is that our government maintains it's power through the love & well-being of it's people. Yours maintains it's power through the hatred & harm of those same people. Do you think a Matari conscript in the Republic military has any more freedom than a Matari slave in the Empire? They follow orders. They don't get to decide their own fates. The difference is that his Amarrian counterpart is a lot more likely to die of old age. The only real difference is that our slaves create while yours only destroy. Your people struggle, toil, fight and then die, all to maintain this eternal war-machine that has become the keystone of your entire society. All to maintain the power of those who's comfy seats are propped up by the "needs" of a government at war. You say that our society is founded on slavery? Look in the mirror. You've just a slave to a different master, nothing more. If you really want to embrace freedom then embrace peace. Embrace freedom from war and hated. If, after all I was put through by your people... if I, of all people, can still pass through that dark tunnel and still find the strength and Faith to not become a hate filled terrorist thirsting for war... Ah, but you have no Faith. Hatred is your only god. Maybe you should find a new one... one that actually loves you. If you can't listen to reason then at least listen to Streya Jormagdnir. While I don't agree with everything she says, at least she's sane & rational. She doesn't threaten the Empire and the Empire is no threat to her. It's not the best peace but at least it's a type of peace none-the-less. EvE Forum Bingo
Ssakaa Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 255	Posted - 2012.12.05 17:09:00 - [105] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: If, after all I was put through by your people.... A two-way street. And on that two-way street, stories similar to your own are multiplied by the order of millions; in my case nefantar but by that same multiplication, overwhelmingly more often at the heel of your Masters for most of my -our- brothers and sisters. You'll get pity, but never peace. Quote: You've just a slave to a different master, nothing more. Says the resident of Sarum's puppet Government of snakes. "Gypsy Secora" Amun, travelling psy-chic and misfortune-teller. Cross my palm with iskies.
Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders 12	Posted - 2012.12.05 19:45:00 - [106] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: If you really want to embrace freedom then embrace peace. Embrace freedom from war and hated. All I hear is this: "Please don't attack us. Please accept our obfuscation of reality. Please let us continue enslaving your people while loving us for it." You really make me sick, you know that? The more you talk, the more you make me want to destroy you. Keep talking, you add fuel to what keeps me warm at night.
Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders 12	Posted - 2012.12.05 21:16:00 - [107] - Quote This is not a philosophical discussion about war and slavery. This is not a quest for peace. The Amarr don't want peace, or they would cease doing what leads to war. We are coming for you. There's nothing you can do to stop it. What you can do is continue being cowards and liars and deceivers. It's all you know how to be. We don't care. You're all going to burn.
Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders 13	Posted - 2012.12.05 21:28:00 - [108] - Quote Forgive me, I forgot to add an important caveat. Our motto is We come to destroy all who enslave our people. Those who do not engage in slavery will not be harmed. Those Amarr who have never engaged in slavery and have even opposed it are even welcome to join us. We don't want the destruction of the Amarr. We just want to have our people released and all slave trading ceased. Those who oppose slavery in all forms are welcome to join our campaign. Those who continue to engage in slavery and who continue to justify their actions need to look out for us amongst the stars. It's you who we're coming for.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 116	Posted - 2012.12.05 22:21:00 - [109] - Quote I don't think you know much about how Amarrian society works. If you want to destroy those who practice slavery while sparing those who do not, you still wish to destroy our fellows, friends, loved ones, teachers, patrons, and protectors. This is something no self-respecting Imperial citizen will allow you to do. Your ignorance of our peoples and culture is unsurprising, but still no less astonishing. You seem to be so sure of yourself, yet you clearly know absolutely nothing about what the Empire is or what kinds of people live in it. And do not even venture to say that you do; your single-minded hatred has already demonstrated you do not. If you did you would recognize the complexities of the issues of slavery and emancipation, and you would know that you cannot solve your problems with empty threats or pinpricks in the heel of the Empire. I would love to enlighten you, but somehow I get the feeling you do not care to hear about the human side of the Imperial, so I will not waste my time unless you ask for it. In the meantime go read the Pax Amarria, little girl. Maybe then you will see a future beyond the insane bloodbath you selfishly crave.
Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders 13	Posted - 2012.12.05 22:39:00 - [110] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: If you want to destroy those who practice slavery while sparing those who do not, you still wish to destroy our fellows, friends, loved ones, teachers, patrons, and protectors. Only those who engage us in battle. Only those of you who fight for the right to enslave other races will be the ones I'm coming for. Before you take a few words out of context and apply that to all Amarr, go have a read of what else I've said and save your arrogance for someone else who might care more than I do. Aldrith Shutaq wrote: This is something no self-respecting Imperial citizen will allow you to do.. Bring it on.

Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 117	Posted - 2012.12.05 22:41:00 - [111] - Quote You do know you won't win this, right?
Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders 13	Posted - 2012.12.05 22:51:00 - [112] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: You do know you won't win this, right? No, I don't know that. "GÇªto the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 118	Posted - 2012.12.05 22:55:00 - [113] - Quote I suppose you will have to be taught. Quite alright; the mouthy stupid ones are always the most fun to put down. I look forward to meeting you in space.
Streya Jormagdnir Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2012.12.06 04:55:00 - [114] - Quote Alexia, have you learned nothing from our Elders? I supported your initial motion to take down CVA because they're a capsuleer alliance expanding the institution of slavery. The Empire proper, on the other hand, has what appears to be a long-term plan to end slavery. While I am by no means pleased at how long it will take, starting a bloodbath will surely undo any long-term victory the Matari people can hope to gain! "To withstand your enemy is to triumph", says an Amarrian book on war. So who will withstand, us or them? Who can hope to triumph? Victory can be bittersweet, with the victor taking only what they can and nothing more. Vengeance can be greatly satisfying, but leave the apparent victor with nothing but ruins and ash. We must strive for victory, not vengeance.
Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders 14	Posted - 2012.12.06 05:09:00 - [115] - Quote Link me to where this long term plan is documented so I can have a read of it. However, I'm sure over the past thousand years there have been other long term plans created to end slavery, but all they do is try to minimise Matari outrage over their people being stolen and killed in slavery. I'm over it. I have a short term plan to end slavery.
Streya Jormagdnir Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2012.12.06 05:21:00 - [116] - Quote Alexia Morgan wrote: Link me to where this long term plan is documented so I can have a read of it. However, I'm sure over the past thousand years there have been other long term plans created to end slavery, but all they do is try to minimise Matari outrage over their people being stolen and killed in slavery. I'm over it. I have a short term plan to end slavery. Gladly, it was a rather well-documented event. While this of course is not proof of how we should all just be happy-clappy and lax our efforts against slavery, Jamyl's decree will eventually lead to every slave of Minmatar blood being free. That is, if I'm understanding the legality of it correctly. As for your brilliant short-term plan, it really does seem more like a quick suicide. Even if your genocidal campaign succeeded, it would result in more people dead than saved. Yes, even Minmatar people.
Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders 14	Posted - 2012.12.06 05:33:00 - [117] - Quote in order to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs. The harassment of capsuleer corporations and alliances that support the slave trade will not spill over into planets and civilians being attacked. I've said this before. The innocent shall be free of persecution, while those who militarily support the the Amarr stance on slavery will be hunted down. Repeatedly. If any Amarr capsuleers value the lives of their Matari slaves serving onboard their ships, they will leave them behind or avoid combat altogether.
Pieter Tuulinen Wiyrkomi Honor Guard 36	Posted - 2012.12.06 05:38:00 - [118] - Quote The Amarr I've discussed this with say that it has been a very long time since the taking of new Slaves from outside the Empire was permitted. Have you heard this? Is it true? If it is true, then Miss Jormangdir is correct - the population of Slaves will wither and the Empire will slowly replace their population of slaves with a more fitting economic and social solution. if taking new Slaves really is illegal and CVA is taking new Slaves then... Aren't they nothing more than the Angel Cartel with different coloured ships? I'm confused.
Streya Jormagdnir Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2012.12.06 05:43:00 - [119] - Quote Alexia Morgan wrote: in order to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs. Except we're not making an omelette! We're talking about our people here. Our future! How can you even begin to compare to things of entirely different scopes and magnitudes?!
Alexia Morgan Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders 14	Posted - 2012.12.06 05:49:00 - [120] - Quote Streya Jormagdnir wrote: Except we're not making an omelette! We're talking about our people here. Our future! How can you even begin to compare to things of entirely different scopes and magnitudes?! If you were willing to do something other than support the Amarr's attempts to pretend they're doing something about aboloshing slavery, I'd be interested in talking to you about it.



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