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Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.26 06:35:00 -
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Hello. I'm Alexia Morgan, a Matari. I stand before you without any airs and graces. I'm not here to wow you with the quality of my words, but to humbly appeal to your sense of what's right.
"We come for our people." That's the catch phrase for Ushra'Khan, who fought to take Providence away from CVA and bring our people to freedom. They fought long and hard, and many died in the struggle. Finally they succeeded, but they ended up losing what they had struggled so hard to gain.
Ushra'Khan sacrificed so much to achieve what they did. I know a lot of our people were grateful, and were able to survive because of them. But the fact is that they were unable to hold on to it. Our people in Providence thought they had been saved - but they weren't. Ushra'Khan were driven out, and today our people are still dying, still enslaved by CVA and their allies.
I know there are a lot of you out there that dream of 'coming for our people'. Some of you do what you can, but your efforts are in vain. You don't have the power to go up against CVA and their alliles. You don't have a united front of corporations and alliances to oppose them.
Our people are dying while we squabble over petty and pathetic issues. I know, I know... Our people are always dying. But when are we going to stand up and say, "Enough! We're tired of being ineffectual while our people are dying! We're tired of bowing down to those who believe they're our masters! We're tired of being a second rate race of people who are forced to be nomads because we're not strong enough to maintain our own home!"
I'm tired of it. I know many of you are also tired of it. But we have to stop being tired, and we have to start being angry. These Matari that are being enslaved and killed are your mothers, your fathers, your sisters and brothers, and even your children. Are you ok with that?
To be honest with you, I'm just appalled that we can let this happen. I'm sickened by what is being perpetrated on our people by the Amarr and their supporters.
I want to stop it, and I want to stop it completely. I don't want to play these stupid games of taking something and then letting it go, and then trying to take it again. It doesn't help our people!
Over the next few days I'm going to be building an alliance. I intend continuing this fight that Ushra'Khan started. Its purpose will be the elimination of CVA and their allies.
I'm not talking about just taking their space. I'm not talking about just driving them out of Providence. I'm talking about eliminating them all from this galaxy completely.
We come for our people? No. That's not enough.
We come to destroy all who enslave our people.
I know that achieving this goal will be far from simple. Many pilots will die along the way. There may even be entire corporations who will be destroyed in this fight. But if we don't make the effort to free our people - not for a short time, but forever - then we may as well just lay down and die right now. All of us.
To free our people, we need to destroy all those who want to enslave them. We need to maintain this indefinitely! We need to eliminate all those who oppose us - not for the next month, or the next year, but forever!
It's imperative that we establish ourselves as a united force that's not going to go away, that's going to always be hunting down and destroying every single pilot, corporation, alliance or cartel that aids the enslavement of the Mitari.
We need to take a stance, and we need to make it so strong that no one can break it. We need to build something together that will overcome our own petty differences.
There are other alliances out there that are strong, that no matter what happens, they overcome and persevere. We must be stronger! We must learn from those that have done what we want to do, and we must do it better.
For as long as we do not quit this mission, we will succeed. Perseverance is the key to our success. Never stop, never quit. Success is the only option.
As I said earlier, over the next few days I'm building this alliance. I'll be ending my current endeavours, starting a new corporation and a new alliance. It's going to happen regardless. If it takes a long time to gather interest and gain strength, so be it. I'm not going to stop. There's too much at stake.
But it doesn't need to take a long time. It can take just a short time if I can find potential members who are willing and eager to build this with me. Alone, I am nothing. Together, we can be a force to be reckoned with.
All of you who are interested in what I offer, contact me via evemail and tell me how you want to be involved.
I don't care if you're a single pilot, or a lone corporation, or if you're already a strong alliance. Together we can be stronger. Together we can succeed at this!
Our people are depending on us. Let's do this. |
Khazarn Areth
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2012.11.26 07:25:00 -
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Alexia Morgan wrote:the elimination of CVA and their allies.
Now that is an idea im sure many here can get behind. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.11.26 07:31:00 -
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I'm sure that CVA leadership will be suffering a few sleepless nights because of this announcement*
*For Minmatar readers, this is an example of what sophisticated races refer to as sarcasm. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.26 07:36:00 -
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Alexia Morgan wrote:We come to destroy all who enslave our people. Go destroy gallentes. Really. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
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Posted - 2012.11.26 07:51:00 -
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I can understand wanting to free captured friends and relatives, but does the Republic even have the resources to feed, educate and protect those it already has control over? |
Streya Jormagdnir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.26 07:55:00 -
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Alexia Morgan wrote:
We're tired of being a second rate race of people who are forced to be nomads because we're not strong enough to maintain our own home!"
There is absolutely nothing wrong nor second-rate about being nomadic. The Thukker tribe thought it was the best defense against being captured and enslaved by the Amarr. I would tend to agree, though of course I'm biased.
That being said I'm totally supportive of bashing some Amarrian skulls, as you suggest. 'Cept I can only fly frigates and haven't been doing this but for a week.
Overall though, I'd say patience will win it all out; It's better to destroy a few of their ships every now and then while we stay on the move, avoiding capture entirely. Really frustrates 'em.
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Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.26 08:39:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:... you're talking about attacking everyone even remotely allied to the Khanid and the Amarr. That means coming after the State too - and everyone remotely allied to them. If you try and be strong everywhere, you'll be weak everywhere. My advice is to pick your fights more carefully and selectively.
Before the border wars get stirred up too much and planets start burning. Just a thought. Your advice is heeded, and thank you. However, I wasn't planning on attacking everyone all at once. I was instead more interested in planning a campaign to eliminate our enemies one by one, not simultaneously.
I know I'm young, but I do try to avoid being stupid. |
Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.26 08:42:00 -
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Streya Jormagdnir wrote:There is absolutely nothing wrong nor second-rate about being nomadic. The Thukker tribe thought it was the best defense against being captured and enslaved by the Amarr. I would tend to agree, though of course I'm biased. Being nomadic is what we are forced to do to survive. I know many have come to enjoy that lifestyle, but I say it's better for us to have a home than to always be on the run.
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:Overall though, I'd say patience will win it all out; It's better to destroy a few of their ships every now and then while we stay on the move, avoiding capture entirely. Really frustrates 'em.
Indeed. If there's one thing we're good at, it's guerilla campaigns. |
Cruack
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:23:00 -
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As we work to liberate our brothers and sisters closer to home, a part of us will always yearn for a return to our original stomping grounds in Providence. I will never forget the view from UNITY Station.
Should we be able to offer more then inspiration, don't hesitate to come and speak with us. You never know, once all the slavers are dead in our current area of operations and our people freed, we might make more then a token appearance down there. Providence has not, and will never, forget us.
Fly safe,
WE COME FOR OUR PEOPLE! |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:38:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Go destroy gallentes. Really.
It's kind of pathetic how desperate you are, that you need to try and turn every thread into a discussion of your delusional obsession with the Gallente. It must really suck to know you're probably the least-respected and least-successful member of the IGS - even Vaari's thread where he demanded birthday presents actually managed to net him some. Mane 614
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Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.26 10:50:00 -
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Please keep this on topic, ladies and gentlemen. Let's reserve our anger and bitterness for the Amarr, not for each other. |
Misha M'Liena
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.26 11:12:00 -
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I probaly shouldn't ask this, but ehh.
What of your brothers and sisters willing living in Amarrian space? Are you going to kill them? Or the amarrians living freely in mini space? You going to drag them from there homes and slaughter them in the streets?
Just some points to ponder for you Miss Alexia. Your reply will be interesting to say the least.
Misha. Not as innocent as she appears.
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Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.26 11:22:00 -
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A list of reds will initially be created that will include CVA and their known allies. Anyone who is in these corporations or alliances will become a target. If that includes Minmatar pilots serving in corporations or alliances that are known to attack and enslave Minmatar people, then I have no problem with having them killed as traitors.
Any Minmatar who leaves these 'reds' will obviously not be attacked. Any Amarr who is active outside of these red corps and alliances will not be attacked.
We will be operating under a 'not red don't shoot' policy. Our enemies will be known to us and marked as such. Anyone else who consistently attacks us will also be marked as enemies of our mission, and our people. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
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Posted - 2012.11.26 14:54:00 -
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Alexia Morgan wrote:your efforts are in vain. You don't have the power to go up against CVA and their alliles. You don't have a united front of corporations and alliances to oppose them.
You said it best yourself.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
158
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Posted - 2012.11.26 15:58:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Go destroy gallentes. Really. It's kind of pathetic how desperate you are, that you need to try and turn every thread into a discussion of your delusional obsession with the Gallente. It must really suck to know you're probably the least-respected and least-successful member of the IGS - even Vaari's thread where he demanded birthday presents actually managed to net him some.
And no. No dates. Ever. STAHP IT. I said NO. read it: N O. Enough.
*pfft, these gallentes are so annoying!* |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:27:00 -
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Good luck to you Pilot Morgan. CVA and their mad allies like Kim need to be put down like the rabid dogs they are. |
Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.11.26 16:33:00 -
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At least you can admit you are a second rate race, that's a step in the right direction - realizing your place. You should really seek out a willing priest of Faith to help you find peace with your lot in life instead of raging like this, it's quite unbecoming.
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
256
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Posted - 2012.11.26 17:02:00 -
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Best of luck to you in the challenges ahead. May the best ideology win. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
158
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Posted - 2012.11.26 18:05:00 -
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Scherezad, I am afraid, it goes to the point, where winners will be decided not by ideology, but by the size of a gun.
Nick Bete, and you... you may bend over, grab your ankles and kiss your pretty gallentean butt goodbye. +10 points, if you can do it inside capsule. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2012.11.26 18:13:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Scherezad, I am afraid, it goes to the point, where winners will be decided not by ideology, but by the size of a gun.
Nick Bete, and you... you may bend over, grab your ankles and kiss your pretty gallentean butt goodbye. +10 points, if you can do it inside capsule.
Ability to apply force is a type of merit. Is it the best type? |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
158
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Posted - 2012.11.26 18:20:00 -
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To each his own
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
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Posted - 2012.11.26 18:30:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Scherezad, I am afraid, it goes to the point, where winners will be decided not by ideology, but by the size of a gun.
Armed force is only one battlefield. The war is fought by soldiers, scientists, accountants and workers, all of it directed by the beliefs of the people involved. You should know that, Kim-haani. |
Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.26 19:29:00 -
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Mitara Newelle wrote:At least you can admit you are a second rate race, that's a step in the right direction - realizing your place. You should really seek out a willing priest of Faith to help you find peace with your lot in life instead of raging like this, it's quite unbecoming. Admitting and accepting the problem is part of the solution. The next step towards the solution is doing something about the problem. It's about time our people stepped up and did something together.
The oppressors only succeed because the oppressed do nothing. That is about to change.
Enjoy your time right now, Mitara. You won't be enjoying it when your world burns around you. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2012.11.26 20:16:00 -
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Extremists like you undermine efforts towards peaceful and progressive solutions that many of the more level-headed and intelligent leaders within the Amarr and Minmatar have been working on behind the scenes for the past several years. Despite your vision for a firey future filled with death and destruction and attempts to stir the flames of war that many on both sides have been attempting to extinguish and quell, I assure you that living in the past brings glory to no one.
My question is, why do you seek to bring back the terrible conflicts that we have already experienced? Was the horrible amount of bloodshed not enough for you? There comes a time when you have to re-evaluate and decide whether its worth becoming the terror that you fought so hard to end, and creating a New Eden where the Minmatar subjugate the Amarr can hardly be the utopia you claim.
tl:dr Do you even lift?
Arch Lieutenant for the Amarr State Second Lietenant for the Caldari Federation
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.26 20:29:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:My question is, why do you seek to bring back the terrible conflicts that we have already experienced? Was the horrible amount of bloodshed not enough for you? Not enough. And it won't be enough until our people are free. It's that simple.
If you want to avoid conflict, join us in doing what's right. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1185
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:08:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:And no. No dates. Ever. STAHP IT. I said NO. read it: N O. Enough.
So in short, rather than address my valid point about you consistently trying to turn every thread - even those with that are entirely unrelated - into a discussion of how much you hate the Gallente Federation even when you have literally no reason to do so, you're going to imply that I have some sort of secret romantic attraction to you.
Don't flatter yourself. I'm way out of your league, and you're not even my prefered gender.
Diana Kim wrote:*pfft, these gallentes are so annoying!*
I'm north-pole Intaki. If you're going to make bigoted, laughably ignorant generalisations about entire ethnicities, you could at least have the courtesy to make bigoted, laughably ignorant generalisations about the right ones. Mane 614
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Aln Al-Thalab
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:26:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Alexia Morgan wrote:your efforts are in vain. You don't have the power to go up against CVA and their alliles. You don't have a united front of corporations and alliances to oppose them.
You said it best yourself.
Actually, Alexia left out a significant word: 'yet'. We don't have the power or the united front of corporations and alliances... yet.
We are coming. |
Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:33:00 -
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Aln Al-Thalab wrote:Actually, Alexia left out a significant word: 'yet'. We don't have the power or the united front of corporations and alliances... yet.
We are coming. You're exactly right :) |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:46:00 -
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It is disappointing to see short-sighted individuals who would blindly preference a future where all Minmatar are free at the cost of almost complete destruction of the Amarr and Minmatar populations and culture, rather than the current path where more and more slaves are freed daily and conditions have improved and continue to improve considerably. Having 50% of a Minmatar population of billions is much more preferable to having 100% of a population free that is only counted in the millions.
The battle for freedom is never an excuse to commit genocide.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:22:00 -
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I'm curious where the lines will be drawn. Will you be the sort to say that simply doing business within the borders of the Empire is "supporting slavery" and therefore worthy of your wrath? Do you have any care, concern, or even a thought about slaves from other backgrounds? What of those that would prefer a life, even a life of slavery, in the Empire when given the choice between that or a life in the Republic? |
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Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:35:00 -
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Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:I'm curious where the lines will be drawn. Will you be the sort to say that simply doing business within the borders of the Empire is "supporting slavery" and therefore worthy of your wrath? Do you have any care, concern, or even a thought about slaves from other backgrounds? What of those that would prefer a life, even a life of slavery, in the Empire when given the choice between that or a life in the Republic?
From her initial post, it appears that Alexia would terminate anyone with tany or all ties to the Amarr regardless of circumstance or capacity, even though who seek peaceful terms with the Republic or have been outspoken supporters of slave rights and treatment. A crusade for personal freedom based on the subjugation of everyone else and forced imposition of will? Sounds like Alexia is taking a few pages from the book of Sansha Kuvakei.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:50:00 -
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Your philosophical meanderings are not going to stop us from doing what needs to be done.
Those slaves who have been brainwashed so that they support their masters in their own enslavement will have the chance to rise up when we're burning your cities. If they don't, then they choose to remain an enemy to the freedom of their own people.
One chance. That's all we give anyone. You leave our target areas or you remain a target.
We're keeping it simple. |
Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.27 02:03:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:From her initial post, it appears that Alexia would terminate anyone with any or all ties to the Amarr regardless of circumstance or capacity, even though who seek peaceful terms with the Republic or have been outspoken supporters of slave rights and treatment. Those who oppose slavery should join with us, and distance themselves from our enemies. The friend of our enemy becomes our enemy too. |
Kiva Sarani
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.27 02:19:00 -
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It is difficult to put my thoughts into words, as my passion for this topic runs deep.
As a former slave myself, I too once thought as you do -- that the Amarr must pay tribute for their crimes. It has been my experience, however, that the Matari are much too focused on exacting their revenge; we, as a people, have become so lost in the past that we fail to focus on the present and anticipate the future. That isn't to say that I do not wish for my people to ever know freedom, but we must start by caring for those who have already been freed, because it is they who will continue to promote and protect our freedom.
We must secure a future for ourselves first, before we help those others. |
Jessie Arr
Order of the Black Dagger Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.11.27 02:25:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:It is disappointing to see short-sighted individuals who would blindly preference a future where all Minmatar are free at the cost of almost complete destruction of the Amarr and Minmatar populations and culture, rather than the current path where more and more slaves are freed daily and conditions have improved and continue to improve considerably.
It is better to die on your feet, than to live on your knees. Any Matari worth his salt will agree.
We come for our people, with Khumaak in hand, and you should fear us.
Order of the Black Dagger is a corp based around a simple goal: getting as much small gang PvP as we can handle. We accept USTZ PvP pilots of all skill levels.-áIf you are interested in joining, or simply flying with us from time to time, join our ingame channel: Dagger Pub and give us a shout! Our killboard:-áhttp://evedaggers.com/kb |
Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.27 02:29:00 -
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Kiva Sarani wrote:We must secure a future for ourselves first, before we help those others. I agree completely. Establishing our own safe haven, a place we can call 'home', is going to be our first priority. |
Kiva Sarani
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.27 02:30:00 -
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Alexia Morgan wrote:Kiva Sarani wrote:We must secure a future for ourselves first, before we help those others. I agree completely. Establishing our own safe haven, a place we can call 'home', is going to be our first priority.
Then you have my full support. |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.11.27 04:23:00 -
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Alexia Morgan wrote:Kiva Sarani wrote:We must secure a future for ourselves first, before we help those others. I agree completely. Establishing our own safe haven, a place we can call 'home', is going to be our first priority.
You can do that without all of the tired rhetoric, you know. |
Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.27 04:38:00 -
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Evelyn Meiyi wrote:You can do that without all of the tired rhetoric, you know. You can always change the channel, you know. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2012.11.27 04:44:00 -
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Evelyn Meiyi wrote:Alexia Morgan wrote:Kiva Sarani wrote:We must secure a future for ourselves first, before we help those others. I agree completely. Establishing our own safe haven, a place we can call 'home', is going to be our first priority. You can do that without all of the tired rhetoric, you know. Alexia Morgan is just another radical seeking her 15 minutes of fame and at best get lost in the footnotes of history as another Matari terrorist or at worst be remembered alongisde the likes of Sansha Kuvelakei and Alexander Noir. Despite claiming to be vehemently against slavery and the deprivation of free will, Alexia seeks to force a lifestyle of forced compliance upon those who do not agree with her "manifesto". If Amarrian and Matari leaders met in a room to further diplomatic talks in an attempt to curb the bloodshed of innocents, Alexia has made it clear she would slaughter them all without thought.
Her call to arms lacks and vision and if history has taught us anything, the path she wants will only lead to the past that all of us have already lived and are unable to break free from.
Instead of fighting over Providence and the same warzone in an endless cycle of destruction, why do we not unite and write a new narrative for ourselves? Why not unite against the nullsec entities that continually threaten our very existence and carve out a new sovereignty for our nations, a new solution, rather than the continual grind that has left both empires ragged and war torn?
Are people really that shortsighted and uncreative?
The moar you cry the less you pee |
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Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2012.11.27 04:50:00 -
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I just see fear in your eyes and in your voice, as you poorly attempt to subvert me and my plans.
If you can't immediately release the Matari you enslave, then there's nothing we need to talk about. I'll be seeing you on the battlefield. |
Kiva Sarani
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.11.27 05:13:00 -
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Quote:Alexia Morgan is just another radical seeking her 15 minutes of fame and at best get lost in the footnotes of history as another Matari terrorist or at worst be remembered alongisde the likes of Sansha Kuvelakei and Alexander Noir. Despite claiming to be vehemently against slavery and the deprivation of free will, Alexia seeks to force a lifestyle of forced compliance upon those who do not agree with her "manifesto". If Amarrian and Matari leaders met in a room to further diplomatic talks in an attempt to curb the bloodshed of innocents, Alexia has made it clear she would slaughter them all without thought.
Her call to arms lacks and vision and if history has taught us anything, the path she wants will only lead to the past that all of us have already lived and are unable to break free from.
Instead of fighting over Providence and the same warzone in an endless cycle of destruction, why do we not unite and write a new narrative for ourselves? Why not unite against the nullsec entities that continually threaten our very existence and carve out a new sovereignty for our nations, a new solution, rather than the continual grind that has left both empires ragged and war torn?
Are people really that shortsighted and uncreative?
Allow me to ask this: If it were the Amarr who were enslaved by the Matari, would you do anything different? Would you remain silent while countless thousands of your brethren were abused and denied their right to freedom as citizens of a glorious nation? Or would you speak up as Alexia has?
Alexia is acting on a passion that is buried deep within all Matari -- a passion felt as we watch our kith and kin slave away in Amarr compounds. We crave vengeance, and while I do not agree with Alexia that waging genocide is the answer to our problem, it is certainly understandable as to why she feels this way. Our hatred of your empire has, unfortunately, become a part of our culture. We have born, lived, and died with that hatred indoctrinated in each of us, and it will be a difficult thing to overcome while the Amarrian empire continues its practice of slavery.
In order for there to be a peaceful resolution, the Amarr empire must abolish its slavery, and the Matari -- as a people -- must forgive and forget the past, that we may focus on a brighter future.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
13
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Posted - 2012.11.27 05:24:00 -
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One day either your people will have exhausted their will to fight or you will stand triumphant. I hope that, by this time, there is anything more than burned stones for either side to be lord and master of.
At least there is some hope that the war between State and Federation might one day be fought to a conclusion that allows both sides to normalise relations and work towards the future prosperity and freedom of their people. How can a war that is fought over blood ever come to anything but more blood?
This is madness. It is a blasphemy against life and sanity. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
405
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Posted - 2012.11.27 05:50:00 -
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Kiva Sarani wrote:Quote:Alexia Morgan is just another radical seeking her 15 minutes of fame and at best get lost in the footnotes of history as another Matari terrorist or at worst be remembered alongisde the likes of Sansha Kuvelakei and Alexander Noir. Despite claiming to be vehemently against slavery and the deprivation of free will, Alexia seeks to force a lifestyle of forced compliance upon those who do not agree with her "manifesto". If Amarrian and Matari leaders met in a room to further diplomatic talks in an attempt to curb the bloodshed of innocents, Alexia has made it clear she would slaughter them all without thought.
Her call to arms lacks and vision and if history has taught us anything, the path she wants will only lead to the past that all of us have already lived and are unable to break free from.
Instead of fighting over Providence and the same warzone in an endless cycle of destruction, why do we not unite and write a new narrative for ourselves? Why not unite against the nullsec entities that continually threaten our very existence and carve out a new sovereignty for our nations, a new solution, rather than the continual grind that has left both empires ragged and war torn?
Are people really that shortsighted and uncreative? Allow me to ask this: If it were the Amarr who were enslaved by the Matari, would you do anything different? Would you remain silent while countless thousands of your brethren were abused and denied their right to freedom as citizens of a glorious nation? Or would you speak up as Alexia has? Alexia is acting on a passion that is buried deep within all Matari -- a passion felt as we watch our kith and kin slave away in Amarr compounds. We crave vengeance, and while I do not agree with Alexia that waging genocide is the answer to our problem, it is certainly understandable as to why she feels this way. Our hatred of your empire has, unfortunately, become a part of our culture. We have born, lived, and died with that hatred indoctrinated in each of us, and it will be a difficult thing to overcome while the Amarrian empire continues its practice of slavery. In order for there to be a peaceful resolution, the Amarr empire must abolish its slavery, and the Matari -- as a people -- must forgive and forget the past, that we may focus on a brighter future. Such matters cannot and should not be viewed through black and white lenses. If the Amarr were enslaved by the Matari in a matter that the Amarr had enslaved the Matari in the past, then yes, a call to arms would definitely be in order. The current situation, however, is not as Alexia describes it. Hatred is something that is born more out of propaganda, rather than reason, and the way I see things, we are ALL currently slaves to our own propaganda.
I don't agree with peaceful resolution as a solution, because peace is not something that our nations are familiar with, I am merely suggesting that we turn our aggressive urges towards another group in a matter that is mutually beneficial to both sides. Waiting for the Amarr to completely abolish slavery is something that I highly doubt will happen in our lifetime, but the current slavery situation cannot be compared to that of even recent history. I don't agree either that the Matari as a people need to forgive and forget the past, as I feel history is an important thing we must ground ourselves in lest we repeat the same mistakes.
In order to focus on a brighter future and leave the past behind, we must first have a future worth building, and all I see in the rhetoric of this thread is an attempt to bring back the past. I am not naive enough to think that people will or even should change what decades of experience and culture has taught them, but there comes rare times in everyone's history where the right pieces come into place and the right players have the same kind of vision necessary to usher in a new era, breaking the status quo. Renaissances are not common, but they do happen.
In the past few months, fighting against the Minmatar, feelings of hatred and disgust have changed and I no longer see simpleminded slaves, but worthy opponents and what I consider equals on the battlefield. I have even fought alongside some of them and sharing blood with what can only be described as bitter rivals has done more to create enormous amounts of mutual respect in a few brief moments, than the lifetime of hate has taught otherwise. Situations which promote such camaraderie in my mind is the only and true path to salvation for both of our nations.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
3
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Posted - 2012.11.27 05:51:00 -
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There seems to be a misconception that I am seeking the genocide of the Amarr. This is not true. I have not mentioned genocide, nor have I said anything remotely related to it.
Instead, I have announced my burning desire to eliminate CVA and their allies. Not an entire race of people, just a number of corporate entities.
However, since we're on the subject... It's interesting that the Amarr or their supporters are making statements that I'm calling for their genocide. The meaning of genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group".
Isn't that what the Amarr have been doing to the Minmatar people and their culture? Enslaving them and killing them, and at the very least, doing their best to eliminate the Matari culture by forcing them to become part of the Amarr culture.
If anyone has a right to complaining about genocide, it's the Matari who have that right to complain about the Amarr seeking our genocide.
You know, the more you slimy, mealy mouthed worms talk, the more determined you make me to enact vengeance upon you for your own acts of genocide.
I'm not seeking to destroy your race. Some of my closest friends are Amarr, but they're also against the wrongs perpetrated by their people against the Matari.
I'm seeking to destroy those corporations and alliances who are actively engaged in the persecution of our people. I'm seeking their complete and utter destruction.
I'm not going to be talked out of it.
We're coming for you. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
13
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Posted - 2012.11.27 09:01:00 -
[46] - Quote
Oh right. The destruction of CVA and their allies. Well, that's different, it's only right and proper for you to want to defeat your enemies in battle, if you'd been a little clearer on that score and said fewer things that made it sound like you were trying to prep for an immediate invasion of the Amarrian home world, then I think you'd have got a tamer reaction.
There were a few times when things that you said reminded me strongly of a conversation I heard about who the Sansha consider to be enemies. (Everyone) |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
57
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Posted - 2012.11.27 09:12:00 -
[47] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:There seems to be a misconception that I am seeking the genocide of the Amarr. This is not true. I have not mentioned genocide, nor have I said anything remotely related to it.
Instead, I have announced my burning desire to eliminate CVA and their allies. Not an entire race of people, just a number of corporate entities.
However, since we're on the subject...
It's interesting that the Amarr or their supporters are making statements that I'm calling for genocide. The meaning of genocide is "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group".
Thinking about it, Isn't that what the Amarr have been doing to the Minmatar people and their culture? Enslaving and killing them, and at the very least, doing their best to eliminate the Matari culture by forcing them to become part of the Amarr culture.
If anyone has a right to complaining about genocide, it's the Matari who have that right to complain about the Amarr seeking ours.
You know, the more you slimy, mealy mouthed worms talk, the more determined you make me to enact vengeance upon you for your own acts of genocide against the Matari.
I'm not seeking to destroy your race. Some of my closest friends are Amarr, but they're also against the wrongs perpetrated by their people against the Matari.
No, I'm seeking to destroy those corporations and alliances who are actively engaged in the persecution of our people. I'm seeking their complete and utter destruction. All of them.
I'm not going to be talked out of it.
We're coming for you.
For such a 'noble freedom fighter', you certainly seem to love the sound of your own voice. Or is that your grand strategy -- to round CVA and their allies up and talk them to death?
If you have something to prove, close your mouth and prove it. Spouting all this propaganda just makes you look bad. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
405
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Posted - 2012.11.27 09:42:00 -
[48] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:I just see fear in your eyes and in your voice, as you poorly attempt to subvert me and my plans.
If you can't immediately release the Matari you enslave, then there's nothing we need to talk about. I'll be seeing you on the battlefield. *sigh*
I seem to have forgotten that all races in EVE only have a single archetype to choose from when posting in the IGS. I honestly find it sad that the fact that the limited lore also limits the creativity of the playerbase in an otherwise sandbox game.
Ignore everything i've said previously and replace it with the following:
Our mighty and glorious empire will not be swayed by the threats of uneducated heathens, by the holy light of the empress, the divine path set forth by our god will convince even the most radical of terrorists such as yourself of the righteousness of our holy religion. Only through the purity of a faithful holder can a slave attain true freedom as they learn the teachings and piety provided by the holiest of Amarrian scripture and sacred literature. As the augeries of destruction sing their song of death, all Matari that would attempt to become harbingers of death will be dealt with the swift Amarrian retribution reserved for traitors and blasphemers. Only through the holiest of fanatical devotion to glorious and omnipotent god will you slaves have any chance at possible salvation when forced to answer for your sins.
"And those who dare attempt to post breaking the Amarrian archetype shall be punished Only the pure posting of angry Matari seeking revenge and over-zealous Amarr are acceptable Those who would betray such tired routine are our enemies! Those who would threaten the status quo endanger us with their creativity! Meet any deviance with blind adherence to the script, lest you add anything interesting or fresh." - The Lost Scriptures, Book 69:07070707
Pinky Feldman 7th Imperial Adjunct to the Royal Family Arch Lieutenant Bishop Priest of the Holiest Order True Holder of the Imperial Crusade Baptismal Penance
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
4
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Posted - 2012.11.27 11:23:00 -
[49] - Quote
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:If you have something to prove, close your mouth and prove it. Spouting all this propaganda just makes you look bad. I know this is causing you concern. The longer I speak and the louder my voice, the more Matari will hear it and rise up with me. It's only right that you fear that happening.
A storm is coming. Can you hear the thunder? |
Damsa Desirah
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
23
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Posted - 2012.11.27 12:38:00 -
[50] - Quote
Pinky Feldman wrote:Alexia Morgan wrote:I just see fear in your eyes and in your voice, as you poorly attempt to subvert me and my plans.
If you can't immediately release the Matari you enslave, then there's nothing we need to talk about. I'll be seeing you on the battlefield. *sigh* I seem to have forgotten that all races in EVE only have a single archetype to choose from when posting in the IGS. I honestly find it sad that the fact that the limited lore also limits the creativity of the playerbase in an otherwise sandbox game. Ignore everything i've said previously and replace it with the following: Our mighty and glorious empire will not be swayed by the threats of uneducated heathens, by the holy light of the empress, the divine path set forth by our god will convince even the most radical of terrorists such as yourself of the righteousness of our holy religion. Only through the purity of a faithful holder can a slave attain true freedom as they learn the teachings and piety provided by the holiest of Amarrian scripture and sacred literature. As the augeries of destruction sing their song of death, all Matari that would attempt to become harbingers of death will be dealt with the swift Amarrian retribution reserved for traitors and blasphemers. Only through the holiest of fanatical devotion to glorious and omnipotent god will you slaves have any chance at possible salvation when forced to answer for your sins. "And those who dare attempt to post breaking the Amarrian archetype shall be punished Only the pure posting of angry Matari seeking revenge and over-zealous Amarr are acceptable Those who would betray such tired routine are our enemies! Those who would threaten the status quo endanger us with their creativity! Meet any deviance with blind adherence to the script, lest you add anything interesting or fresh."- The Lost Scriptures, Book 69:07070707 Pinky Feldman 7th Imperial Adjunct to the Royal Family Arch Lieutenant Bishop Priest of the Holiest Order True Holder of the Imperial Crusade Baptismal Penance
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. I describe myself as a faithful servant to Her Empress, but I enjoy slaughtering my misguided brethren in the sham of the I24 Crusade. To me, it's simple. The Republic pays more but I must keep my faith so that the souls of the lost be guided to their proper afterlife.
It's not what your Alliance can do for you... It's what you can do to them before they realize you really work for the almighty WormHole God, BoB... |
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Niccolo Machiavilli
Darieux Foundation
3
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Posted - 2012.11.27 12:52:00 -
[51] - Quote
I wonder what the Rogue Drone A.I think of humans enslaving each other?
Perhaps that's what they thought of themselves?
Perhaps that is why they rebelled?
Art imitates life.
I guess art imitates life as well. |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
138
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:04:00 -
[52] - Quote
I, Lord Vaari, earl of Sosan VII, teacher of faith, speaker of unquestion truth, symbol of unchallenged victory, golden mountain, carrier of the Heaven's light, self proclaimed Prophet, bane of witches, beacon of holy light, inspiring leader, skilled miner, great industrialist, defender of Providence, founder and despot of the Imperial Pharmacy and many more impressive titles will stand behind CVA if you come as always when difficult times are upon our region. |
Misha M'Liena
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2012.11.27 13:23:00 -
[53] - Quote
I can't help my self.
Um Lord Vaari of the many useless titles. As you keep claiming and proclaiming that you are a friend of Cva. Wouldn't a true frend be Beside or in front of Cva?? Not as innocent as she appears.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
159
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:10:00 -
[54] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote: So in short, rather than address my valid point about you consistently trying to turn every thread - even those with that are entirely unrelated - into a discussion of how much you hate the Gallente Federation even when you have literally no reason to do so, you're going to imply that I have some sort of secret romantic attraction to you.
Don't flatter yourself. I'm way out of your league, and you're not even my prefered gender.
Then just leave me alone, I absolutely don't want to know about your private life and your 'friends'. Do not mail me anymore, do not reply on galnet. And do not send me these photos and other 'stuff' ever again! |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1190
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Posted - 2012.11.27 15:18:00 -
[55] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Then just leave me alone,
No. When you stop making pathetic, ignorant statements on the IGS to make up for your abject failure as a capsuleer and a warrior, and learn to act like a mature human being, maybe I'll stop ragging on you. As long as you make statements that are patently wrong - and come, let's face it, you are on some subconscious level at least tangientally aware that most of the stuff you say is bullcrap, otherwise you wouldn't act like a child with a spanked behind every time someone called you on it - I'm going to point out that they're wrong.
Grow up, Kim.
Diana Kim wrote:I absolutely don't want to know about your private life and your 'friends'. Do not mail me anymore, do not reply on galnet. And do not send me these photos and other 'stuff' ever again!
I've never mailed you, much less sent photographs. You may believe I have, but that would be another symptom of your rather tragic collection of mental derangements. Mane 614
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
261
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Posted - 2012.11.27 15:45:00 -
[56] - Quote
Niccolo Machiavilli wrote:I wonder what the Rogue Drone A.I think of humans enslaving each other?
Perhaps that's what they thought of themselves?
Perhaps that is why they rebelled?
Life imitates art.
I guess art imitates life as well.
You are anthropomorphising, sir.
Perhaps they think, perhaps they have opinions, but these thoughts and opinions would be largely recognizeable to us. They more likely would have 'rebelled' because we were emitting the wrong flocking behaviours. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:06:00 -
[57] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
No. When you stop making pathetic, ignorant statements on the IGS to make up for your abject failure as a capsuleer and a warrior, and learn to act like a mature human being, maybe I'll stop ragging on you. As long as you make statements that are patently wrong - and come, let's face it, you are on some subconscious level at least tangientally aware that most of the stuff you say is bullcrap, otherwise you wouldn't act like a child with a spanked behind every time someone called you on it - I'm going to point out that they're wrong.
Grow up, Kim.
You shouldn't take rejecting so close to the heart. Relax.
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I absolutely don't want to know about your private life and your 'friends'. Do not mail me anymore, do not reply on galnet. And do not send me these photos and other 'stuff' ever again! I've never mailed you, much less sent photographs. You may believe I have, but that would be another symptom of your rather tragic collection of mental derangements. You wasn't that shy a couple of hours earlier. Don't like that Im bringing it here? Then just get lost. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
261
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Posted - 2012.11.27 16:26:00 -
[58] - Quote
You two are so cute together :) |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1191
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:48:00 -
[59] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:You shouldn't take rejecting so close to the heart. Relax.
Ah, the classic tactic of "I'm not mad, you're the one who's mad!" I guess I shouldn't expect more.
Diana Kim wrote:You wasn't that shy a couple of hours earlier. Don't like that Im bringing it here? Then just get lost.
You do realise that quite literally no-one believes you, right? I mean, not even you, because you know it isn't true. Like pretty much everything else, your capacity for chicanery is atrophed. Mane 614
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
865
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Posted - 2012.11.27 20:13:00 -
[60] - Quote
Oh get a room. |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:00:00 -
[61] - Quote
I will never come into one room with this pervert! |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
693
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:07:00 -
[62] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:I will never come into one room with this pervert!
You're going to start needing to give proof to proper authorities and peers of the person in question or you are going to be dismissed as spreading libel. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1192
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:19:00 -
[63] - Quote
I think the theory that she's a Federal plant with the sole mission of making the Caldari State look like idiots has just been confirmed. She's done a pitch-perfect job - I'm utterly convinced she's an idiot. Mane 614
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:24:00 -
[64] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I will never come into one room with this pervert! You're going to start needing to give proof to proper authorities and peers of the person in question or you are going to be dismissed as spreading libel.
Andreus Ixiris wrote: Don't flatter yourself. I'm way out of your league, and you're not even my prefered gender.
Pervert. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1192
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:26:00 -
[65] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote: Don't flatter yourself. I'm way out of your league, and you're not even my prefered gender.
Pervert. That's all you've got? You really are pathetic. Mane 614
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
693
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:26:00 -
[66] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I will never come into one room with this pervert! You're going to start needing to give proof to proper authorities and peers of the person in question or you are going to be dismissed as spreading libel. Andreus Ixiris wrote: Don't flatter yourself. I'm way out of your league, and you're not even my prefered gender.
Pervert.
I don't see what's perverted about that thou--
Wait, are you saying the fact that he's gay makes him perverted?
How odd! |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1192
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:30:00 -
[67] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I don't see what's perverted about that thou--
Wait, are you saying the fact that he's gay makes him perverted?
How odd!
You know, the funny thing is she's calling me the pervert but she was the one who brought up dating and sexual attraction in an open discussion which was not related to either of those things. Mane 614
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:30:00 -
[68] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I will never come into one room with this pervert! You're going to start needing to give proof to proper authorities and peers of the person in question or you are going to be dismissed as spreading libel. Andreus Ixiris wrote: Don't flatter yourself. I'm way out of your league, and you're not even my prefered gender.
Pervert. I don't see what's perverted about that thou-- Wait, are you saying the fact that he's gay makes him perverted? How odd! Such relations are supposed to produce new life. What he's doing is, well, you know. These Gallenteans, always think only about self pleasing. I don't really want to discuss such topics. Really. STAHP |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1192
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:33:00 -
[69] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:I don't really want to discuss such topics.
Then why did you bring them up? Mane 614
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
693
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:34:00 -
[70] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote: Such relations are supposed to produce new life. What he's doing is, well, you know. These Gallenteans, always think only about self pleasing. I don't really want to discuss such topics. Really. STAHP
Really?
The fun part seems like the only decent argument for sexual relationships, nowadays. Procreation is handled in better ways. Frankly, I don't give a damn about what gender you prefer to enjoy your time with.
You people are weird. |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:51:00 -
[71] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I don't really want to discuss such topics. Then why did you bring them up? Dammit, Im not interested in you, in your personal life, in your whatever. When you will realize it? You are just wasting my time. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1192
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Posted - 2012.11.27 21:56:00 -
[72] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Dammit, Im not interested in you, in your personal life, in your whatever. When you will realize it? You are just wasting my time.
You are the only one bringing personal lives up, in a transparent and shallow attempt to deflect attention from the erroneous nature of the statements you've made. You are under the mistaken assumption that people won't notice you're wrong if you change the subject - not that it would help, because in this case you've changed the subject to something you're also wrong about. Mane 614
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Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
6
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Posted - 2012.11.27 22:23:00 -
[73] - Quote
Good job trying to hijack this thread. You must be Amarr plants. |
Pappeto
Clone Red Creations
1
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Posted - 2012.11.28 00:51:00 -
[74] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:Good job trying to hijack this thread. You must be Amarr plants.
I agree with Ms Morgan. I am not seeing anything at all contributing to her topic besides personal prolbems. That is why comms were made, to get rid of those that none want to dig through. Kim-haani, don't talk, you are making yourself look bad. Andreus, don't provoke her anymore.
It's been awhile since I have lived amoung others from the State, but I think you got a good thing going here ma'am from what I have seen and was told. I have not been too fond of the support of slavery... but I do have to agree. Choose your targets wisely. Taking on every corporation or alliance that you target as "bad", is not always the best of choices. You'll end up with more then you can handle and would soon end up being either wiped out or enslaved yourself.
But, once you get your support, and bodies, supplies, and ships... you can get a council going and see what the other masterminds have best in mind to pull this off with as less bloodshed as possible. Remember, if you decide to burn all that stands in your way, you are no better then the ones you are pointing your fingers at. |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
40
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Posted - 2012.11.28 01:25:00 -
[75] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote: Such relations are supposed to produce new life. What he's doing is, well, you know. These Gallenteans, always think only about self pleasing. I don't really want to discuss such topics. Really. STAHP
If you need a strong man to take care of you let me know. If you want I can play the handsome strog slave, I am not above a little Roleplay. A Matari can never have to many offspring. Same offer stands forany amarrians girl who woukd like to find out why its the minmatar who have to do all the work. Who am I getting though, they have slaves for that, noone remembers the last time any amarrian man managed to please a woman. A well flying around in impressive giant golden dildos has to provide them with some compensation for their lack in certain other areas.
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Gottii
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2012.11.28 02:47:00 -
[76] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:You two are so cute together :)
Outsider courtship rituals often seem so...loud. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
312
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Posted - 2012.11.28 04:42:00 -
[77] - Quote
If this is courtship, then I've been doing it wrong all these years... An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
263
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Posted - 2012.11.28 04:54:00 -
[78] - Quote
This explains an awful lot of the conflicts between our peoples. All this time, the Gallente just wanted a date... |
Alexia Morgan
Touring New Eden
6
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Posted - 2012.11.28 06:35:00 -
[79] - Quote
I've added some more information on a blog post over here:
We come to destroy all who enslave our people |
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:07:00 -
[80] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote: One chance. That's all we give anyone. You leave our target areas or you remain a target.
We're keeping it simple.
Well, that isn't exactly a discerning engagement protocol but thank you for the clarification. |
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Zaara Arran
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.11.28 17:18:00 -
[81] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:I will never come into one room with this pervert!
Don't worry, he won't make you come in just one room.
Hey when's the last time you've been laid anyways? You're wound up tighter than a shrunken balloon knot. I should put up a personals ad for you here on the IGS.
ANYWAYS, back on topic.
CVA isn't a real threat. They're a bunch of capsuleers who cause exponentially LESS harm than the Empire itself. Your attacking CVA would be less effective than this border war in Empire space.
If you want to destroy the Amarr, you have to hit their homeworlds. You have to glass Athra. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
14
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Posted - 2012.11.28 20:21:00 -
[82] - Quote
Speaking as someone who comes from a people who almost lost their homeworld, I strongly suggest talk of 'glassing' planets is dropped immediately.
You really want to turn the entire cluster against your people? Never mind what the Empire would do in retaliation? |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ
8
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Posted - 2012.11.28 20:23:00 -
[83] - Quote
I have no interest in glassing planets. That's foolish talk. Anything that comes from my mouth is what you should take note of, not what comes from others. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
14
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Posted - 2012.11.28 20:33:00 -
[84] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:I have no interest in glassing planets. That's foolish talk. Anything that comes from my mouth is what you should consider to be part of my plans, not what comes from others.
Even if they mean well and are supporting me, they're not speaking for me.
Then I wish you the best in your endeavours. I have the strongest respect for the Minmatar when they are fighting to free their people and assert their sovreignty. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
136
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Posted - 2012.11.28 21:19:00 -
[85] - Quote
I remember a time, when I was at school, one of the teachers said:
"It is just Theology Council propaganda that the Minmatar are violent savages that must be enslaved, there are plenty amongst them that have the potential to be Righteous"
Well then... |
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
134
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Posted - 2012.11.28 23:20:00 -
[86] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote: I'm not talking about just taking their space. I'm not talking about just driving them out of Providence. I'm talking about eliminating them all from this galaxy completely.
We come for our people? No. That's not enough.
We come to destroy all who enslave our people..
I've come to realize that for some people wholesale slaughter and even genocide is a preferred solution for a difference of opinion.
I prefer educating my enemies instead. Perhaps you should try it sometime?
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Rezig Huruta
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
70
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Posted - 2012.11.28 23:29:00 -
[87] - Quote
Merdaneth wrote:Alexia Morgan wrote: I'm not talking about just taking their space. I'm not talking about just driving them out of Providence. I'm talking about eliminating them all from this galaxy completely.
We come for our people? No. That's not enough.
We come to destroy all who enslave our people..
I've come to realize that for some people wholesale slaughter and even genocide is a preferred solution for a difference of opinion. I prefer educating my enemies instead. Perhaps you should try it sometime?
Excellent. That's a great point. I'll start.
You are a bad man. Stop doing bad things to the Minmatar. Instead of enslaving others, do the work that needs doing with your own hands.
Did it work? No? Guns free baby. |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ
8
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Posted - 2012.11.28 23:30:00 -
[88] - Quote
Merdaneth wrote:I prefer educating my enemies instead. Perhaps you should try it sometime?
Amazing.
"Please educate us about how bad it is for us to enslave your people, while we do nothing about it but ask you to educate us some more."
Yeh, I'll educate you. In my own way. Keep an eye out for the classes. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
120
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Posted - 2012.11.29 01:06:00 -
[89] - Quote
Misha M'Liena wrote: What of your brothers and sisters willing living in Amarrian space? Are you going to kill them? Or the amarrians living freely in mini space? You going to drag them from there homes and slaughter them in the streets?
Mostly they just enslave them. "Conscipts" get all the fun missions like clearing minefields. Others get put into "work camps" until they die of starvation & abuse. I got this scar on my face by refusing to "provide comfort" to a training officer. Those who are too old, weak or unwilling are simply "disposed of." Left to enjoy their new-found "freedom" in the many desert that centuries of war have left on their worlds. "Race Traitor" branding with hot irons is par for the course regardless of where they end up, naturally. But yes, slaughter is definitely on the menu. When I was abducted I saw more than one child, some not ten years old, put to the bayonet for the crime of simply not having Matari blood.
Pinky Feldman wrote:My question is, why do you seek to bring back the terrible conflicts that we have already experienced? Was the horrible amount of bloodshed not enough for you?
Conflict seems to be the only thing that holds their government together. If you look at the lawless zones where fanatics on both sides fight for control, the Amarr have clearly all but given up. With Minmatar dominance so entrenched, it only natural that they've turned to fighting amongst themselves. In other words, they simply cannot exist without war with someone. If not the Amarr then the Caldari. If not the Caldari then the Gallente. When they run out of enemies they invent new ones wherever they can find them. War is their entire raison d'+¬tre.
Pinky Feldman wrote:The battle for freedom is never an excuse to commit genocide.
Ah but genocide is the entire point. I learned some interesting things during my captivity with the Republic. Their "deprogramming" (read: brainwashing) is just the first step in "learning what it truly means to be Matari." It was... enlightening.
When you see behind the rhetoric their conflict it isn't about freedom or slavery, it's about killing the Amarr and claiming all of our worlds for themselves. And behind that it's not about taking our worlds, it's about exterminating the Amarrian people. And behind that it's not even about exterminating our people. At the very end of the layers of propaganda lays the truth: Their war is ultimately to exterminate any human being who does not carry the "pure and uncorrupted" genes of the Six Tribes of the Republic.
Alexia Morgan wrote:However, I wasn't planning on attacking everyone all at once. I was instead more interested in planning a campaign to eliminate our enemies one by one, not simultaneously.
This war, against the Amarr? Or your war? The war against the rest of the Universe? The war against all life-forms that are not Matari?
EvE Forum Bingo |
Ragnar STS
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
48
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Posted - 2012.11.29 03:57:00 -
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Death to Amarr. I support this endeavor. |
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Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ
8
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Posted - 2012.11.29 04:06:00 -
[91] - Quote
I've sent out invitations to a number of corp CEO's, inviting them to join my alliance and add their strength to the coming campaign.
If any CEO's reading this would like to be involved, send me a message in-game asking for an invitation to be sent to you. |
Altaen
Calamitous-Intent
16
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Posted - 2012.12.03 21:58:00 -
[92] - Quote
Will this alliance participate in the war between the Tribal Liberation Force and the 24th Imperial Crusade? Or will your focus be exclusively related to sovholders loyal to the Empire? Or are you also open to waging war against slave traders in the Throne Worlds? I ask mainly because so many of those that might otherwise be most suited to fighting slavers in the systems where they ply their trade are unable to do so effectively due to interference from Amarr law enforcement. Just curious if you've taken this into consideration in your plans. It might be time for some motivated individuals to bring the war to Amarr Prime. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1217
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:25:00 -
[93] - Quote
Zaara Arran wrote:Don't worry, he won't make you come in just one room.
Oh... wow. Wow, I'm coming over all bashful now. I mean I know I'm not bad in... you know, that department. But I rarely get complimented publicly on my prowess.
By people I don't think I've ever met.
Or had... relations with. Mane 614
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Markius TheShed
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
114
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Posted - 2012.12.04 14:43:00 -
[94] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote: Our people are depending on us. Let's do this.
Over 7 years ago Onnen Mentar founded our corp and started a fight similar to the one you are beginning, And now it is the executor corp of a Alliance with over 200 pilots.
Our alliance and I'm sure others involved in the Minmatar militia will be happy to help you anytime.
**Murientor Tribe** Killing Slavers, Ammatar and Nafantar Traitors since YC107 |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders
8
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:54:00 -
[95] - Quote
Markius TheShed wrote:Our alliance and I'm sure others involved in the Minmatar militia will be happy to help you anytime.
Thank you for your support. I'll be in touch! |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders
9
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Posted - 2012.12.04 23:54:00 -
[96] - Quote
By the way, for all those who were interested in supporting us or being part of us, we're now established.
The corp is called Matari Raiders HQ. We're looking for elite PVP pilots to join us who have experience with guerilla operations in nullsec.
The recruitment ad is here.
And of course, any corporations that want to join us, please contact me to discuss becoming a part of the Matari Raiders.
Thanks for your support everyone! |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1222
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:08:00 -
[97] - Quote
I'll offer my support to such an endeavour. I'm not interested in joining the alliance right now, but when it comes time for a major offensive, I can bring a ship or two to help you. Mane 614
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
654
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:01:00 -
[98] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:By the way, for all those who were interested in supporting us or being part of us, we're now established. The corp is called Matari Raiders HQ. We're looking for elite PVP pilots to join us who have experience with guerilla operations in nullsec. The recruitment ad is here. And of course, any corporations that want to join us, please contact me to discuss becoming a part of the Matari Raiders. Thanks for your support everyone!
Huh... wow... those eyes. Has anyone ever told you you look exactly like my ex girlfriend? No, I don't imagine they would have, hi, I'm Istvaan! |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders
9
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:06:00 -
[99] - Quote
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Huh... wow... those eyes. Has anyone ever told you you look exactly like my ex girlfriend? No, I don't imagine they would have, hi, I'm Istvaan! Pleased to meet you |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
133
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:29:00 -
[100] - Quote
War is what enslaves your people. So long as you let hate dominate your hearts & minds you will never be truly free. EvE Forum Bingo |
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Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders
9
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:34:00 -
[101] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:War is what enslaves your people. So long as you let hate dominate your hearts & minds you will never be truly free. Actually, it's you who enslave our people.
And when I've ended you and your kind, then our people will be free and there will be nothing left to hate. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
177
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:51:00 -
[102] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:War is what enslaves your people. So long as you let hate dominate your hearts & minds you will never be truly free. Actually, it's you who enslave our people. And when I've ended you and your kind, then our people will be free and there will be nothing left to hate. I don't think she's even a holder. And even if she is, I'd like to see, ya know, some proof that she is enslaving your people... You know, names, places, stuff like that.
And why am I asking for proof? Simple. Because I believe that your words are BS. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.12.05 04:37:00 -
[103] - Quote
Or, you know, we could just do what I suggested? Stay on the move, and if they come for us use our mobility to our advantage and punch their nose until they leave us alone? Some key advantage points to this plan:
- If the Amarr can't catch us, they can't enslave us.
- If we're not being enslaved, new stock won't come from us...
- All the ninth-generation slaves are being freed, at least in the Amarr Empire. Not sure about the legality of that particular proclamation in the Ammatar Mandate or Khanid Kingdom. Any info here?
- After some time, no more slavery for our people*!
*The only flaw I can find here is the common criticism of "So you're just going to leave our brothers behind who are still enslaved?". Of course not! I'm all for the Freedom Fighters who slip into the Empire's borders in a small ship and take slaves who wanted to leave and free them.
But an all-out war that might leave people homeless and starving? People who, while genetically Matari, are Amarrian in culture and worldview? If, after being told of their opportunity to leave and presented with it, such people decide to stay...then that's their Path! Their Path to walk! This does not allow us to abdicate our efforts, of course. Freedom fighters must continue to sneak into slave-holding space and present the people with the choice of freedom. But it must be a choice. Anything else would be hypocrisy. You cannot coerce a person into being free, after all.
I do not say these words lightly. I am confident the Spirits will inspire those destined for a path among the Tribes to walk it, when given the chance. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
142
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Posted - 2012.12.05 16:39:00 -
[104] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:And when I've ended you and your kind, then our people will be free and there will be nothing left to hate.
You're wrong. There is always someone else to hate. After the Amarr then the Caldari. After the Caldari then the Gallente. After the Gallente it's right back inter-tribal warfare. A common enemy is what united your tribes in the first place, and, being based entirely on this need, without constantly having someone to fight or your entire Republic would collapse. Well, perhaps not collapse. More likely they would actually change into something better. A government more concerned with promoting the well-being of it's citizens than with sacrificing them in a blood-feud.
Here, I found this is an old book... remind you of anyone?
"War, it will be seen, accomplishes the necessary destruction, but accomplishes it in a psychologically acceptable way. In principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labour of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them. But this would provide only the economic and not the emotional basis for a hierarchical society. What is concerned here is not the morale of masses, whose attitude is unimportant so long as they are kept steadily at work, but the morale of the Party itself. Even the humblest Party member is expected to be competent, industrious, and even intelligent within narrow limits, but it is also necessary that he should be a credulous and ignorant fanatic whose prevailing moods are fear, hatred, adulation, and orgiastic triumph. In other words it is necessary that he should have the mentality appropriate to a state of war. It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist."
In the end you're government isn't much different that ours. The difference is that since we openly admit to the realities of our hierarchy while your people delude themselves into thinking that prosperity is just around the corner... just as soon as you get done wining this war... there will be chocolate and toilet paper for everyone. Any day now... oh drat, a new enemy to fight. The struggle continues, your society stagnates but your military leaders stay in power. And that's all that matters in the end - power. Power for those who command your armies and by that they command your entire society.
We place our authority in priests while you place yours in generals and warlords. And yes, our priests command our society with the same grip that your warlords use to command yours. We have no delusions otherwise. But the idea of peace does not threaten the power of the Theology Council. Peace leads to prosperity and prosperity affirms our Faith. The difference is that our government maintains it's power through the love & well-being of it's people. Yours maintains it's power through the hatred & harm of those same people.
Do you think a Matari conscript in the Republic military has any more freedom than a Matari slave in the Empire? They follow orders. They don't get to decide their own fates. The difference is that his Amarrian counterpart is a lot more likely to die of old age. The only real difference is that our slaves create while yours only destroy. Your people struggle, toil, fight and then die, all to maintain this eternal war-machine that has become the keystone of your entire society. All to maintain the power of those who's comfy seats are propped up by the "needs" of a government at war. You say that our society is founded on slavery? Look in the mirror. You've just a slave to a different master, nothing more.
If you really want to embrace freedom then embrace peace. Embrace freedom from war and hated. If, after all I was put through by your people... if I, of all people, can still pass through that dark tunnel and still find the strength and Faith to not become a hate filled terrorist thirsting for war...
Ah, but you have no Faith. Hatred is your only god. Maybe you should find a new one... one that actually loves you.
If you can't listen to reason then at least listen to Streya Jormagdnir. While I don't agree with everything she says, at least she's sane & rational. She doesn't threaten the Empire and the Empire is no threat to her. It's not the best peace but at least it's a type of peace none-the-less. EvE Forum Bingo |
Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
255
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Posted - 2012.12.05 17:09:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote: If, after all I was put through by your people....
A two-way street. And on that two-way street, stories similar to your own are multiplied by the order of millions; in my case nefantar but by that same multiplication, overwhelmingly more often at the heel of your Masters for most of my -our- brothers and sisters.
You'll get pity, but never peace.
Quote:You've just a slave to a different master, nothing more.
Says the resident of Sarum's puppet Government of snakes. "Gypsy Secora" Amun, travelling psy-chic and misfortune-teller. Cross my palm with iskies.
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Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders
12
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Posted - 2012.12.05 19:45:00 -
[106] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:If you really want to embrace freedom then embrace peace. Embrace freedom from war and hated. All I hear is this:
"Please don't attack us. Please accept our obfuscation of reality. Please let us continue enslaving your people while loving us for it."
You really make me sick, you know that? The more you talk, the more you make me want to destroy you.
Keep talking, you add fuel to what keeps me warm at night. |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders
12
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:16:00 -
[107] - Quote
This is not a philosophical discussion about war and slavery.
This is not a quest for peace. The Amarr don't want peace, or they would cease doing what leads to war.
We are coming for you. There's nothing you can do to stop it.
What you can do is continue being cowards and liars and deceivers. It's all you know how to be.
We don't care. You're all going to burn. |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders
13
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:28:00 -
[108] - Quote
Forgive me, I forgot to add an important caveat.
Our motto is We come to destroy all who enslave our people.
Those who do not engage in slavery will not be harmed. Those Amarr who have never engaged in slavery and have even opposed it are even welcome to join us.
We don't want the destruction of the Amarr. We just want to have our people released and all slave trading ceased. Those who oppose slavery in all forms are welcome to join our campaign.
Those who continue to engage in slavery and who continue to justify their actions need to look out for us amongst the stars. It's you who we're coming for. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
116
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:21:00 -
[109] - Quote
I don't think you know much about how Amarrian society works. If you want to destroy those who practice slavery while sparing those who do not, you still wish to destroy our fellows, friends, loved ones, teachers, patrons, and protectors. This is something no self-respecting Imperial citizen will allow you to do.
Your ignorance of our peoples and culture is unsurprising, but still no less astonishing. You seem to be so sure of yourself, yet you clearly know absolutely nothing about what the Empire is or what kinds of people live in it. And do not even venture to say that you do; your single-minded hatred has already demonstrated you do not. If you did you would recognize the complexities of the issues of slavery and emancipation, and you would know that you cannot solve your problems with empty threats or pinpricks in the heel of the Empire.
I would love to enlighten you, but somehow I get the feeling you do not care to hear about the human side of the Imperial, so I will not waste my time unless you ask for it. In the meantime go read the Pax Amarria, little girl. Maybe then you will see a future beyond the insane bloodbath you selfishly crave. |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders
13
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:39:00 -
[110] - Quote
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:If you want to destroy those who practice slavery while sparing those who do not, you still wish to destroy our fellows, friends, loved ones, teachers, patrons, and protectors. Only those who engage us in battle. Only those of you who fight for the right to enslave other races will be the ones I'm coming for.
Before you take a few words out of context and apply that to all Amarr, go have a read of what else I've said and save your arrogance for someone else who might care more than I do.
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:This is something no self-respecting Imperial citizen will allow you to do.. Bring it on. |
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
117
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:41:00 -
[111] - Quote
You do know you won't win this, right? |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders
13
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:51:00 -
[112] - Quote
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:You do know you won't win this, right? No, I don't know that.
"GǪto the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
118
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:55:00 -
[113] - Quote
I suppose you will have to be taught.
Quite alright; the mouthy stupid ones are always the most fun to put down.
I look forward to meeting you in space. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.12.06 04:55:00 -
[114] - Quote
Alexia, have you learned nothing from our Elders? I supported your initial motion to take down CVA because they're a capsuleer alliance expanding the institution of slavery. The Empire proper, on the other hand, has what appears to be a long-term plan to end slavery. While I am by no means pleased at how long it will take, starting a bloodbath will surely undo any long-term victory the Matari people can hope to gain! "To withstand your enemy is to triumph", says an Amarrian book on war. So who will withstand, us or them? Who can hope to triumph?
Victory can be bittersweet, with the victor taking only what they can and nothing more. Vengeance can be greatly satisfying, but leave the apparent victor with nothing but ruins and ash. We must strive for victory, not vengeance. |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders
14
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:09:00 -
[115] - Quote
Link me to where this long term plan is documented so I can have a read of it.
However, I'm sure over the past thousand years there have been other long term plans created to end slavery, but all they do is try to minimise Matari outrage over their people being stolen and killed in slavery.
I'm over it. I have a short term plan to end slavery. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:21:00 -
[116] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:Link me to where this long term plan is documented so I can have a read of it.
However, I'm sure over the past thousand years there have been other long term plans created to end slavery, but all they do is try to minimise Matari outrage over their people being stolen and killed in slavery.
I'm over it. I have a short term plan to end slavery.
Gladly, it was a rather well-documented event. While this of course is not proof of how we should all just be happy-clappy and lax our efforts against slavery, Jamyl's decree will eventually lead to every slave of Minmatar blood being free. That is, if I'm understanding the legality of it correctly.
As for your brilliant short-term plan, it really does seem more like a quick suicide. Even if your genocidal campaign succeeded, it would result in more people dead than saved. Yes, even Minmatar people. |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders
14
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:33:00 -
[117] - Quote
in order to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs.
The harassment of capsuleer corporations and alliances that support the slave trade will not spill over into planets and civilians being attacked. I've said this before.
The innocent shall be free of persecution, while those who militarily support the the Amarr stance on slavery will be hunted down. Repeatedly.
If any Amarr capsuleers value the lives of their Matari slaves serving onboard their ships, they will leave them behind or avoid combat altogether. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
36
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:38:00 -
[118] - Quote
The Amarr I've discussed this with say that it has been a very long time since the taking of new Slaves from outside the Empire was permitted. Have you heard this? Is it true? If it is true, then Miss Jormangdir is correct - the population of Slaves will wither and the Empire will slowly replace their population of slaves with a more fitting economic and social solution.
if taking new Slaves really is illegal and CVA is taking new Slaves then... Aren't they nothing more than the Angel Cartel with different coloured ships?
I'm confused. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:43:00 -
[119] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:in order to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs.
Except we're not making an omelette! We're talking about our people here. Our future! How can you even begin to compare to things of entirely different scopes and magnitudes?!
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Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ The Matari Raiders
14
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:49:00 -
[120] - Quote
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:Except we're not making an omelette! We're talking about our people here. Our future! How can you even begin to compare to things of entirely different scopes and magnitudes?! If you were willing to do something other than support the Amarr's attempts to pretend they're doing something about aboloshing slavery, I'd be interested in talking to you about it. |
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Streya Jormagdnir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.12.06 07:22:00 -
[121] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote: If you were willing to do something other than support the Amarr's attempts to pretend they're doing something about aboloshing slavery, I'd be interested in talking to you about it.
Did you not read the bloody thing? Do you just not listen?
Fine. Go on your genocidal killing spree. See what happens. When proclamations are reversed, all peace talks break down, and the Republic is invaded full-scale, we'll know who to blame.
And no, I am not supporting the Amarr. I am supporting a position which will ensure our long-term survival. If that's not in your best interests, then I question why you fight for the Minmatar people at all. |
Markius TheShed
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
119
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:23:00 -
[122] - Quote
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
And no, I am not supporting the Amarr. I am supporting a position which will ensure our long-term survival.
You are also showing weakness to a cruel zealous enemy who will happily enslave you to 'save you from yourself'
Rather than cowering in a corner waiting to be taken some of us patrol our borders and repel any attempt to invade our space, Our survival and future depend on showing we are strong and able to defend ourselves.
**Murientor Tribe** Killing Slavers, Ammatar and Nafantar Traitors since YC107 |
Kentt Em'asep
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
33
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:37:00 -
[123] - Quote
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:Alexia Morgan wrote: Did you not read the bloody thing? Do you just not listen?
Did you mean this you proposed? [quote=Streya Jormagdnir]Or, you know, we could just do what I suggested? Stay on the move, and if they come for us use our mobility to our advantage and punch their nose until they leave us alone? Some key advantage points to this plan:
- If the Amarr can't catch us, they can't enslave us.
- If we're not being enslaved, new stock won't come from us...
- All the ninth-generation slaves are being freed, at least in the Amarr Empire. Not sure about the legality of that particular proclamation in the Ammatar Mandate or Khanid Kingdom. Any info here?
- After some time, no more slavery for our people*!
To be honest, I don't think the whole Minmatar race would wish for this. Alot have planets, such as Pator, which they are proud to call their home. Though a few of us such as the Vherokior, have decided to go for this and live the life of nomads. But that is a hard life to get used to. Those who are used to harvesting crops would be unable to do so, as ships would not have the room unless competely stripped.
Even if you say it, alot will concider that still running away, even if we will still have ships coming for those in Amarrian space who wish to leave. It's still throwing up your hands and leaving, and ignoring the ones who fought before us. What would happen to all of Republic space if we all left? Have Amarr become bigger? They will be the first to jump at the planets if we left.
If we leave, we will always be on the move. Not everyone is fit for that. Even if you moved everyone to wormhole space, Amarr will eventually catch up, if they stay motivated. Then there is other factions who are just out in the depths of space to just kill. You think all of this Minmatar convoy will be able to protect itself from invaders? Lots of escort will be needed. Then, in the far future when we think they have forgotten about us, we will be discovered again.
I am sorry, but I don't think alot of Minmatar would want to take that route. I don't speak for any of them, but it is a gut feeling. ~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that...from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl." ~"Forever?" ~"Yes - forever. It's what I do." |
Streya Jormagdnir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:45:00 -
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Markius TheShed wrote: You are also showing weakness to a cruel zealous enemy who will happily enslave you to 'save you from yourself'
Rather than cowering in a corner waiting to be taken some of us patrol our borders and repel any attempt to invade our space, Our survival and future depend on showing we are strong and able to defend ourselves.
What is this warmongering, testosterone-fueled chanting of strength and bravery?
GÇ£Cowardice? For ensuring our people survived the massacre, escaped slavery, and ensured our way of life was preserved? Well, if thatGÇÖs what the GÇÿrespectableGÇÖ citizens of the cluster wish to think about my free brothers and sisters, then let the brave count their dead.GÇ¥ - Tshori Mulani, capsuleer pilot of the Ghost Market Caravan
There's a reason my Tribe never joined the Republic. It has worked remarkably well for us. Think what you will, but it is your survival that may depend on showing strength, not ours. We are already safe and thriving. |
Markius TheShed
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
122
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Posted - 2012.12.06 09:21:00 -
[125] - Quote
Streya Jormagdnir There's a reason my Tribe never joined the Republic. It has worked remarkably well for us. Think what you will, but it is [i wrote:your[/i] survival that may depend on showing strength, not ours. We are already safe and thriving.
All I see from that is "I'm alright jack" **** the rest of the tribes and our people because my tribe is safe, Safety in numbers is a wise old saying.
You don't have to join the Republic to fight for the Minmatar. **Murientor Tribe** Killing Slavers, Ammatar and Nafantar Traitors since YC107 |
Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
258
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Posted - 2012.12.06 09:42:00 -
[126] - Quote
Streya, no offence but you're showing a little naivety. You mention 'joining' the Republic; Markius is of the Murientor, not a tribe collectively enthralled by the Republic for reasons we'll not go into here. Some fight for it, some endure it, others dislike it as a political entity. So they fight fire with fire, without political restraint -sometimes as zealously as they whom they oppose. Sometimes on the Summit one reads 'Minmatar' and 'Republic' as being the same word. It's absurd.
Then, brother Markius writes about the " zealous enemy who will happily enslave you to 'save you from yourself'"
This is wisdom; I urge you to at least consider what he writes, above, as being at least a possibility and actually a probability for those who don't keep their wits about them.
Edit: beaten to it. "Gypsy Secora" Amun, travelling psy-chic and misfortune-teller. Cross my palm with iskies.
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Streya Jormagdnir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:00:00 -
[127] - Quote
Markius TheShed wrote: You don't have to join the Republic to fight for the Minmatar.
Do you think I am unaware of this? I do fight for the Minmatar people, just not in that blasted capsuleer-based proxy conflict that seems so endless. If you read my initial post in this thread you see that I am all for teaching the Amarr a lesson. I don't need to sign up for the Liberation Force to do so, nor do I need to support Alexia's genocidal campaign (which is what I speak out against here, and you call weak).
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Emily Florence Nightingale
Uskudar
3
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:45:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Alexia Morgan wrote:your efforts are in vain. You don't have the power to go up against CVA and their alliles. You don't have a united front of corporations and alliances to oppose them.
You said it best yourself.
I like your boobies...
Oh yes.... and down with the Amarr and CVA and "The State"..
In fact, down with everything... Apart from me, for I am a F**cking princess...
Got it? |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
153
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Posted - 2012.12.06 21:29:00 -
[129] - Quote
Some amusing anecdotes so far...
Alexia Morgan wrote:You won't be enjoying it when your world burns around you.
Those slaves who have been brainwashed so that they support their masters in their own enslavement will have the chance to rise up when we're burning your cities.
I have no interest in glassing planets. That's foolish talk. Anything that comes from my mouth is what you should consider to be part of my plans, not what comes from others.
We are coming for you. There's nothing you can do to stop it.
And when I've ended you and your kind
We don't care. You're all going to burn.
It's interesting that the Amarr or their supporters are making statements that I'm calling for genocide.
So to recap... you think of nothing but war, you are incapable of any emotion except for hate, you refuse to question your own leaders, and you want to exterminate us.
Sansha Kuvakei could use a girl like you... as a template.
Y'know, know that I think about it, you remind me a lot of something that I once saw on an old Earth flat-vid show. They preached all the same things you do, but they were a lot more direct & to the point about it.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
772
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Posted - 2012.12.06 21:30:00 -
[130] - Quote
Will you people stop bringing us into your idiotic race war? Thanks. |
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Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ Matari Raiders
14
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Posted - 2012.12.08 21:46:00 -
[131] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Will you people stop bringing us into your idiotic race war? Thanks. No. Sorry. It's just too important. Thanks for your request though. |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ Matari Raiders
14
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Posted - 2012.12.08 21:56:00 -
[132] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:So to recap... you think of nothing but war, you are incapable of any emotion except for hate, you refuse to question your own leaders, and you want to exterminate us. I can tell you're not very smart, so I'll speak slowly to help you understand.
The Matari people have been enslaved and slaughtered by your own people for the past thousand years. Your accusation that we think of nothing but war is ludicrous.... sorry, maybe that's too big a word for you. Your accusation is stupid. Really stupid. If we think of nothing but war, then you think of nothing but enslaving us, and that's why we're locked in this vicious circle.
If your people were killed and enslaved by the Matari instead, for the past thousand years, would you not feel some hatred as well?
Our leaders do nothing to free our people. Pathetic tokens of peace do nothing to stop the continuing enslavement. Engaging in talks only defers the freedom that our people desperately need.
I want to exterminate only you. You and your kind that justify and defend your enslavement of another race. You deserve to die, and you will.
I hope you're able to understand that. I did my best to use small words for you. |
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
139
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:11:00 -
[133] - Quote
Ah, terrorist Morgan,
How is your quest of destruction progressing? Any concrete results yet? |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ Matari Raiders
14
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:12:00 -
[134] - Quote
Early days yet |
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
10
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:54:00 -
[135] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:
would you not feel some hatred as well?
You know what is more powerful than hatred? Indifference. With indifference, you are not obsessed with the enemy and thus not metaphorically enslaved to a conflict that doesn't even need to happen.
Free the people who have want to be free, yes. Do so through covert means, sly politics, psychological warfare, and under-the-table trades and deals with individual Holders and the like. They are an Empire, the Republic is just getting off the ground; they out-gun the Matari people. So what does a smaller force do to defeat a larger force? Certainly not open warfare and genocide! Neverminding the moral ramifications of genocide, your entire approach is impractical. So start thinking less like a war general and more like a guerrilla. You must ask yourself if the goal is to free the Minmatar people or eradicate the Amarr. Which is more important?
The supreme art of war is to subdue your enemy without fighting. Do not conflate my words for a lack of desire to free my brethren. But it need not happen through heavy, wasteful fighting as you propose. |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ Matari Raiders
15
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:04:00 -
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You're very, very wrong.
Quote:Indifference: Lack of interest, concern, or sympathy So you're suggesting that it's better to have a lack of interest, concern or sympathy?
How does that achieve anything?
If you have no interest or concern in something, why would you even bother to engage in any attempt to free people? Doing so through covert means, sly politics, psychological warfare, even under-the-table trades with slavers suggests a greater level of concern than 'indifference' would indicate.
Also, if you engage in trades with slavers to acquire or buy Matari slaves, all you're doing is continuing the problem and encouraging them to get more slaves so they can do more deals.
Unfortunately, your words of advice seem to come from a position of 'do nothing, support Amarr slavers, and you'll be fine'.
I'm adding you to the list. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
11
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Posted - 2012.12.09 03:36:00 -
[137] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:You're very, very wrong. Quote:Indifference: Lack of interest, concern, or sympathy So you're suggesting that it's better to have a lack of interest, concern or sympathy? How does that achieve anything? If you have no interest or concern in something, why would you even bother to engage in any attempt to free people? Doing so through covert means, sly politics, psychological warfare, even under-the-table trades with slavers suggests a greater level of concern than 'indifference' would indicate. Also, if you engage in trades with slavers to acquire or buy Matari slaves, all you're doing is continuing the problem and encouraging them to get more slaves so they can do more deals. Unfortunately, your words of advice seem to come from a position of 'do nothing, support Amarr slavers, and you'll be fine'. Maybe I should add you to the list?
You are a fool, and failed to critically read what I said. I suggested indifference towards the Amarr, not freeing our people. Quite the reverse; I suggested you focus your efforts on our people first and not at all on the Amarr.
Learn to read, don't fill my mouth with false words, and by the Spirits stop your empty threats towards me. |
Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
64
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Posted - 2012.12.09 04:50:00 -
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I always find it sad when our people turn on one another, and they always seem to do so. The rationale that "you are not Minmatar enough" is an old one, and a sad one. While I will say that I find some of our people are far too zealous, and others are far to meek, I always find them to be our people. I am sure that my heart sister Ssakaa and my former brothers, whom I still have the greatest of love for in the Murientor Tribe, will quickly set upon me like dogs for appearing here, I would suggest that a better use of time would be setting about fixing the issues that plague us all instead of chest beating and turning on one another.
Miss Morgan, the People need a warrior like yourself, all people need a warrior like yourself. Miss Streya, our People need calm and collected counterpoints to the call to war. Perhaps it would better serve us all If you worked together and used each other as anchors against your own natures. Be a voice in each others ears, urge peaceful resistance to Miss Morgan Madam Streya when there is the option and call down the Furies Miss Morgan when it is the time.
Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
263
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Posted - 2012.12.09 08:49:00 -
[139] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:Maybe I should add you to the list?
So glad you've altered the words you used in your original comment, Alexia; misdirected zeal is a often a waste of energy best spent elsewhere.
Now that you're a little more friendly towards one another, concentrate on what unites you rather than what sets you apart. It's called accommodation since she, Streya, is not your enemy.
And likewise, Streya.
Quote:...the Murientor Tribe, will quickly set upon me like dogs for appearing here...
Hardly. You've a right to engage in public commentary as much as the next nefantar. And why use such distasteful similes, Los Muertas?
Dogs? Why, no. We are the beautiful people.
"Gypsy Secora" Amun, travelling psy-chic and misfortune-teller. Cross my palm with iskies.
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Wolf Ryski
Matari Raiders HQ Matari Raiders
1
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:44:00 -
[140] - Quote
I've refrained from speaking my mind here but I feel as though I should now. I'm the warlord backing Alexia and this grand plan of freedom.
Streya Jormagdnir wrote: You know what is more powerful than hatred? Indifference.
I can't even begin to tell you how right you are in saying that indifference is the most powerful weapon any single person can wield. Without indifference we might actually place morals in to things, and as we all know, morality is a hindrance. How could anyone justify even a single kill if morality was in the picture? But indifference...indifference is what lets us be truly free from the bonds that all society has placed on us. We can ignore the begging and the pleading of both the guilty and the innocent as easily as if there was silence simply because we simply just don't care, but in the very next breath we can then turn to them and offer our complete support, not even caring that just a second ago we slaughtered them, and you know what they'll do? They will take your help and use it double of what was used against them. The life of mercenary is a simple and profitable venture that greatly benefits everyone. Oh but doesn't harm people as well? No, what ever harm that may have been inflicted was compensated for with interest and was repaid in kind with vengeance. A perfect cycle of chaos all at the hands of those who have mastered indifference.
Now take that mercenary and just ever so slightly change his views on what fight he should be fighting and what kinds of rewards he should be getting. The result is a battle hardened veteran that has been at the heart of every major war that has ever existed in his life time, and that warrior putting all of his vast wealth, knowledge, and experience in to this slightly revised fight of his, and the result is simply...inevitable. The might of indifference will utterly crush all those who stand before it, its wielder unstoppable, because indifference will find itself a new ally in the hands of a changed mercenary, and that ally is justice. Blood is the new price that is demanded, the profit is in the body count, and the inevitable onslaught of indifferent justice will be the cause of overwhelming victory.
Now my counterpart has been unwilling to use such hardcore terms as genocide but justice demands truth and indifference gives the ability to tell it. Will we commit genocide? Yes we will. There is no way around it. But to ease most of your concerns, I will be specific.
gen-+o-+cide /-êjen+Ö-îs-½d/ Noun The deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
This is a valid description of what we will be doing. Now am I saying that the entire Amarr empire will fall at my feet? What sort of justice would that be, so I will be specific. Every single person who has ever owned a slave will die, we'll go ahead and place these people in the "slaver" group, and I will kill this entire group, genocide will be accomplished. But again, what kind justice would that be? There must be those who have turned from their ways, if only a little. Does justice still demand their sacrifice? I will be even more specific, those who turn away completely from slavery will be spared, those who continue to do wrong in the face of justice will not. Now indifference demands that we not distinguish between those who stop and those who persist so for this reason, a very, very, very fine line will be drawn, and those who cross it will fall victim to it.
A fleet of 10,000 could not hope to stand up to the might of pilot like me. Do I chest thump? Perhaps, but make no mistake that truth is spoken. That fleet may leave the field exactly the way it came in but the victory would still be mine. Why? How? Because I was not killed and their efforts were wasted, let's take it farther then that though. Their fleet is large and massive, slow moving and powerful. I am but small and nimble warrior, but my experience gives me the edge. They will send their small support ships to hunt me down and finish me off, but I will pick them off one by one until there is nothing left of them and then I will stand there in the shadow of the fleet in grand defiance as they can do nothing about it but turn and leave. An even stronger victory to me as I have killed and I have still not been killed. Even on that day when my imperfections cause me to lose my life, my lead will be substantial and there is nothing that can be done about it, they will see me again the next day and they will pray to god that I slip again. Now magnify me by how many pilots will be joining me, for I only allow those like me to fly with me. What does this equal? Inevitable. This is how an empire falls at the hands of the few.
Some, if not most of you may think this is blood lust and war mongering, and you would be correct, and I will still be indifferent to it. But to those who can see past my chest thumping and threats of genocide will be able to see the genius behind my purpose here. The sins of the Amarr are so great that they have summoned a monster like me from the black pits of the universe, and I will bring my spawn with me. I am not Minmatar, but before this over, you will wish I was just that simple. Am i overly zealous of this? You might think so, but I'm simply here to do the hard things that people don't want to do, whether they really want me to or not.
May the universe burn in the fires of indifferent justice, may the slavers never see the light of their suns again, and to the victor go the spoils. Peace will be achieved when one side is completely and utterly wiped off the face of the map with not a single person of their civilization to be found. Then pilots like me will fall victim to the very same indifferent justice we used to make it happen, but until that day, burn baby burn. |
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Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
13
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Posted - 2012.12.09 19:44:00 -
[141] - Quote
The more time I spend as a capsuleer, the more I find out how completely insane a larger-than-is-comfortable number of capsuleers are. |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ Matari Raiders
41
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:14:00 -
[142] - Quote
Quote:"Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war." When partnering with a dog of war, or a hound of hell as some are called, once you let them loose you just can't predict what the consequences might be.
I'm only glad that Wolf is on the side of the Matari....
Wolf is my Warlord, Commander of my attack forces. He will be leading the fight for the freedom of the Matari people from the Amarr oppressors.
I strongly urge all Amarr to take heed of the danger threatening them at this stage. Leave Providence, abandon those who militarily support slavery, and refuse to fight in defence of them and in defence of slavery.
Help us free our people, and the bloodshed will be less than what it has the potential to be.
Do not let genocide come to your door. You have the power to control what is or is not inevitable. |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ Matari Raiders
57
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Posted - 2012.12.10 06:39:00 -
[143] - Quote
The Matari Raiders have a new community on Google+ which you can find here:
Matari Raiders G+ Community
I will be providing press releases and commentary at this site, and engaging in discussion with alliance and community members. Feel free to join the community. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
81
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Posted - 2012.12.10 08:43:00 -
[144] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:If your people were killed and enslaved by the Matari instead, for the past thousand years, would you not feel some hatred as well?
Actually they were. Her mother - my sister - was Amarrian. Her father, however, was of Brutor ancestory. As such, I need not tell you how those ancestors came to be part of our Empire. Perhaps, however, since you are obviously quite blind to the existence of such phenomenon, his family had been set free three generations previously. Also, and I know this will make your eyes bleed, his great-great grandfather chose to stay within the Empire and took work as an engineer. When Roland & Melissa married they moved to Jarizza. Roland continued his family tradition of working as an engineer. Melissa was a doctor. Their daughter, Katran, entered the science academy at an early age.
We were visiting them when the attack hit. My husband, Thomas - who was originally from the Gallente Federation, by the way - died protecting me as we fled for the escape shuttles. My bodyguard was almost killed as well. Roland died as he tried to protect his family from the "liberators" whom then proceeded to violate & murder Melissa and kidnap Katran. Three lives lost, a fourth one stolen ... just another few drops in the ocean of blood that your "righteous cause" left behind.
In the end they didn't care who stood in their way. Ammarian, Jin-Mei, even Matari - all died at their hands with equal disregard. As for those who were "liberated" ... they were turned into conscripts, naturally. More fuel for the Republic war machine. A vicious cycle of pillage, murder and death.
So do not come to me atop some moral pedestal. We have also suffered from this conflict, and continue to do so. Our suffering isn't from some four-hundred year old grudge that our grandpappys stuffed into our noggins as children. It is right here, today, happening around us now. Every day we mourn our losses. Whom do you mourn? Whom can you mourn? There hasn't been an Amarrian slaver ship in Republic space in over a century.
The fact of the matter is that you don't even know the people that you are trying to "liberate" and you do not care to know them, either. Because when you do get to know them and find out that after eight hundred years of living in the Amarr Empire that they have become Amarrian - holding our culture, practicing our Faith, and being loyal to the friends & families that they have here - you brand them "race traitors" and stab them with bayonets. You do not even really care about "freedom" - because if you did then you would not be calling for the deaths of those Matari who choose to remain loyal to the Empire.
In the end you are victim. You are victim of the indoctrination of these glorious Warlords of yours who have all but usurped control of your entire government. Your Republic is not more than two steps away from becoming a junta, and the first of those steps is this war that you desperately crave. You say that your enemies tremble before you? I say that you are more right than you think. All of New Eden trembles before what you represent, because in the end all of New Eden is in your crosshairs - if not today then tomorrow. EvE Forum Bingo |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ Matari Raiders
58
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Posted - 2012.12.10 09:09:00 -
[145] - Quote
1. Show me where the Matari have turned freed slaves into conscripts in the war against Amarr. I have only your words about this so far, as I can find no evidence anywhere else.
2. If your Roland was killed 'defending his family', then he was probably killed for attacking those who came to free him. You said it yourself. He died as he tried to protect his family. If he welcomed the liberators with open arms, he and his family would be alive today.
3. I didn't come to you. You came here to me. You read my words. If you don't like what I say, you have the power to avoid reading them. But you keep coming back. That's your choice. Thank you for your interest in what I have to say.
4. You have the nerve to say there hasn't been an Amarrian slaver ship in Republic space in over a century. You're either completely misinformed or trying to pretend a different reality. Here's a link to a random news item I found from four years ago:
That was not more than a hundred years ago, but only a few years ago. Amarrian ships in Republic space. And notice this from the news item:
Quote:"In the last three months there have been numerous incidents concerning the kidnapping or the sudden disappearance of Matari people at outposts, colonies and stations along the Republic's border with Amarr space, many of which have been linked to the presence of Amarr vessels in the same vicinity." No matter how much you deny it, Amarr ships have been found and destroyed in Republic space in the same area that Matari people have been disappearing. Coincidence? I don't believe in coincidence.
5. I brand as traitors only those Matari who, when faced with their people offering them freedom, instead choose to fight for Amarr. If they choose to fight for their masters against those who would free them, then they choose the consequences of their actions.
6. The only ones in our crosshairs will be those who engage in slavery or defend it. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
83
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Posted - 2012.12.10 11:06:00 -
[146] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:1. Show me where the Matari have turned freed slaves into conscripts in the war against Amarr. I have only your words about this so far, as I can find no evidence anywhere else.
My niece is an eyewitness, but since she is not bowing before your warlords, there is no point in reiterating that.
Alexia Morgan wrote:2. If your Roland was killed 'defending his family', then he was probably killed for attacking those who came to free him. You said it yourself. He died as he tried to protect his family. If he welcomed the liberators with open arms, he and his family would be alive today.
Try to grasp this one simple fact you psychotic dolt: HE WAS ALREADY FREE.
He was born a free citizen of the Empire, as was his father before him. He was as equal in the Eyes of God as any citizen of the Empire. Armed soldiers came into his home, as they came into all the homes they could find. He died defended his home & his family from their abductors, as did so many others. But of course in your blindness anyone of Matari ancestry living in Amarr or Ammatar space must still be a slave and therefore must be "liberated" ... and any one who does not fit into this nice, neat little mold of your false preconception simply must be executed on sight in order to protect your delusional view of the Universe.
Alexia Morgan wrote:No matter how much you deny it, Amarr ships have been found and destroyed in Republic space in the same area that Matari people have been disappearing. Coincidence? I don't believe in coincidence.
"The Imperial Embassy on Illiun III released a statement several weeks ago to say that the Amarr authorities had 'not given any authorisation for trespassing into Minmatar space' and that they would 'willingly assist the Republic with any ongoing investigations into proven cases of illicit kidnapping or slave-trading.'"
I assume that you do not believe in Blood Raiders or Sansha's Nation either. We have lots of experience in dealing with vermin who seek to take our people away for their own twisted ends. You and your ilk are nothing new.
In reality, our Great Empress has freed more slaves in one day than every last one of your so-called "Freedom Fighters" throughout histroy combined. How does that make you feel, to matter so little in the grand scheme of things? To know that the Amarrians themselves have freed more slaves than you could ever dream to?
Furthermore, when we say that we are going to set them free, we actually mean it. Millions unchained with a word - and yet you still insist on trying to justify war. Do not bother - people like you do not need justifications. For you, war is it's own justification & it's own reward.
Alexia Morgan wrote:5. I brand as traitors only those Matari who, when faced with their people offering them freedom, instead choose to fight for Amarr. If they choose to fight for their masters against those who would free them, then they choose the consequences of their actions.
And here the hollowness of your convictions are laid bare for all to see. You believe in another person's right to "freedom" only so long as that person is willing to do & believe as you want them to. The minute they try to actually use the true meaning of freedom to do or believe anything that you don't agree with then you brand them "traitors."
Do you know what you truly are, once all that fancy rhetoric is stripped aside? You want to come to planets that are not yours, kidnap people that you have never met by force and make them do & believe things in accordance with the wishes of your masters. Furthermore, if they do not comply with your demands or worse, try to defend themselves & their families, then you kill them. There is a word, a title if will, for this those employed in this profession...
Alexia Morgan wrote:6. The only ones in our crosshairs will be those who engage in slavery or defend it.
... said the slaver. EvE Forum Bingo |
Kithrus
Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance
224
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:48:00 -
[147] - Quote
I find the entire conflict both sad and funny at the same time.
Sad because on both sides are using tactics that will not work and funny because they sit with a straight face and insist they will. The Matari by far is the most laughable though (and thats not coming from personal bias I can assure you)
You have the Matari thinking on various fronts that acts of terrorism will cause enough strain on a empire that covers just under half of the cluster by attacking both military and civilian targets. They assume that by destroying cargo vessels, freeing slave transports and in general other public acts of violence will crumble Amarrian will.
We are talking about a militarist empire with strong religious beliefs and how most children go through some kind of phase where they want to die a martyrs death in battle. Plus Amarrian do not retreat if they have any self value.
And your response is to threaten them with death? To pull a gun on them and their loved ones?
Listen the Empress is trying to revise our... Foreign policy and its not going to happen over night.
I myself freed all my slaves and I'm sure there are others.
I'd ask the Matari to be patient but I'm not sure they will. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
344
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Posted - 2012.12.10 17:10:00 -
[148] - Quote
It's been over a thousand years Kithrus. How long are we supposed to keep waiting? What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Bendonni Narri
NOVA ONE SQUADRON NOVA ALLIANCE
29
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Posted - 2012.12.14 10:00:00 -
[149] - Quote
Anabella Rella wrote:It's been over a thousand years Kithrus. How long are we supposed to keep waiting?
Judging by the current zealotry of our current "Holy" (and possibly mentally unstable) empress, give it oh, 500 years, give or take 1 year. KeKeKeKeKeKeKeKeKeKeKe. |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ Matari Raiders
64
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Posted - 2012.12.21 08:12:00 -
[150] - Quote
Someone placed a bounty on my head
A bounty was placed on my head by a fresh new clone purpose-built for placing bounties. I contacted them to find out why, and their reply was:
"I don't ask why, I just take 10% from others."
So I asked how much it would cost to find out who paid him to place the bounty. He replied with:
"It's an anonymous service. Names would be bad for business."
The interesting thing is that I've done nothing to annoy anyone. Except for CVA and all of the Amarr, that is. So I'm blaming them for it.
Someone in CVA wants me dead, and have put a bounty on my head to help achieve that goal.
I'm not surprised. But it's going to take a lot more than a 5 million ISK bounty on my head to stop my campaign to rid this galaxy of those vermin. |
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
291
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Posted - 2012.12.21 15:05:00 -
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Alexia Morgan wrote:But it's going to take a lot more than a 5 million ISK bounty on my head to stop my campaign
As much as it pains me to agree with you on, well, anything really... you are right about this part. Five million isn't squat anymore. I've picked up more than twice that already and I'm just a miner.
And yeah, bounty alts are quite common. Anyone who mines can expect to get a bounty from those "minerbumping" nitwits - and one of those was placed on me by a bounty alt as well. Heck, might have been the same guy/girl that you mentioned (was it Sukie Loober?) So that's two things we actually have in common. (The other two contributors we some pirate who I had never met and - shock! - a random Goon).
But pretty much anything under fifty million can be pretty much ignored in hi-sec because it's still not worth the gank, and null-sec... well, they just twitch gank anything that moves and don't even check for bounties until they're looting the wreck. All that's changed is that now I use shuttles instead of my pod.
So don't let it get to you. Everyone has bounties these days. There's twats out there who don't even need a reason (see above). Besides, if you've really been doing all you claim to then wouldn't it actually be more insulting not to get a bounty? Someone as feverent as you should take pride in seeing how high they can get it.
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Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ Matari Raiders
66
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:40:00 -
[152] - Quote
To be honest with you, I was insulted it was only 5 million ISK. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
301
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Posted - 2012.12.23 10:58:00 -
[153] - Quote
And again, as much as it pains me to agree with you, I have to say: That's the spirit! EvE Forum Bingo |
Kithrus
Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance
224
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Posted - 2012.12.23 13:52:00 -
[154] - Quote
Alexia Morgan wrote:Someone placed a bounty on my head
A bounty was placed on my head by a fresh new clone purpose-built for placing bounties. I contacted them to find out why, and their reply was:
"I don't ask why, I just take 10% from others."
So I asked how much it would cost to find out who paid him to place the bounty. He replied with:
"It's an anonymous service. Names would be bad for business."
The interesting thing is that I've done nothing to annoy anyone. Except for CVA and all of the Amarr, that is. So I'm blaming them for it.
Someone in CVA wants me dead, and have put a bounty on my head to help achieve that goal.
I'm not surprised. But it's going to take a lot more than a 5 million ISK bounty on my head to stop my campaign to rid this galaxy of those vermin.
I don't want you dead I want you to wake up. |
Rorin Cutter
Deus Fides Empire Curatores Veritatis Alliance
30
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Posted - 2012.12.23 21:18:00 -
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Alexia Morgan wrote:Someone placed a bounty on my head
A bounty was placed on my head by a fresh new clone purpose-built for placing bounties. I contacted them to find out why, and their reply was:
"I don't ask why, I just take 10% from others."
So I asked how much it would cost to find out who paid him to place the bounty. He replied with:
"It's an anonymous service. Names would be bad for business."
The interesting thing is that I've done nothing to annoy anyone. Except for CVA and all of the Amarr, that is. So I'm blaming them for it.
Someone in CVA wants me dead, and have put a bounty on my head to help achieve that goal.
I'm not surprised. But it's going to take a lot more than a 5 million ISK bounty on my head to stop my campaign to rid this galaxy of those vermin.
Hail Pilot Morgan,
Sorry but why would CVA want to kill you again? You have not done anthing to us since your U'K days, years ago. Even the corp your in now is not KOS. |
Alexia Morgan
Matari Raiders HQ Matari Raiders
144
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Posted - 2013.01.09 23:34:00 -
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Since starting my campaign to free the Matari slaves and destroy their Amarr slavers, interest in my campaign has been extremely high. However, interest in actually joining me has been minimal to nonexistent.
This apathy for the plight of the enslaved Matari is sad. I'm saddened and angered that so many people just don't care enough to actually do anything.
No wonder the Amarr get away with it.
But it will not stop me. I, and those who have joined me so far, are prepared to do something. We're prepared to actually do something to free our people.
I call out to those who have verbally supported me and this campaign - put your actions where your mouth is, and join the cause. If you support it, do so with more than just words.
Help bring freedom to those that have none. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
173
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:46:00 -
[157] - Quote
Perhaps you should get a bit more experience as a capsuleer before leading any glorious revolutions. Why not join Ushra'Khan or Electus Matari? I'd be able to conveniently kill you then. |
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
144
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:58:00 -
[158] - Quote
I recall that pretty much every slave in Provi was either liberated by coalition forces or murdered by CVA's allies. Did they start getting more already? Does CVA even practice slavery anymore?
I've been out of the loop for a while. Somebody give me a TL;DR on the situation please. |
Simon Louvaki
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:45:00 -
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Alexia Morgan wrote:
Help bring freedom to those that have none.
What do you plan to do with those people once you have freed them? once you have ripped them from the only life they have ever known, torn from their homes and people the what bit of life they have?
Please understand, slavery is not something I support, but at the same time I find that people overlook what comes after you have 'freed' them. Immigration into the Republic hasn't been the smoothest process and the borders are filled with refugee camps because the Republic simply doesn't know what to do with the influx of hundreds of millions of new freeman coming into their systems. Even then, the Amarrian Matar slaves may be genetically Matari, but that's where it ends for many.
What you are essentially doing is destroying the only world they know and tossing them into the uncaring 'freedom' of the cluster that can be far harsher than a Holders whip. "Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu." |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
610
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Posted - 2013.01.10 09:14:00 -
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This entire conflict is tragic and increasingly distressing. The destruction of Matari Amarrian faithfuls' lives and those of their families, of ethnic Amarrians and their own families, the quality of life that many 'freemen' suffer in refugee camps - not all of whom who wish to be there...
Just how long is the Republic going to call themselves liberators in order to cruelly destroy the livelihoods of their brothers and sisters who follow the Amarr faith?
For just how long are we going to stand by and watch this infantile government neglect it's people in the pursuit of mass-destruction and genocide?
And how long, exactly, is the excuse of the events of the Minmatar Dark Days going to justify the Republic's actions, even as the Empire continues to free Minmatar slaves?
I don't truly believe the Republican dogs will lay down their warlike ways even when every last Minmatar living within the Empire is recognized as a full citizen. This is a lost generation. Scores of my kin have been taught only to fight and hate by this system. Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
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Kentt Em'asep
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
69
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Posted - 2013.01.10 10:25:00 -
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I agree. It is tragic. If it was not meant to be that, then it would be a peace talk, which has been ongoing since... well for a long time. Nothing has majorly changed from those talks. Amarr is viewed as a bunch of uptight slavers who only care of their imaginary god and the Republic is viewed as primitive savages who must be saved from themselves. Sometimes, a hard hit in the head can get slow people to think and actually see what is going on.
Alexia Morgan wrote:I strongly urge all Amarr to take heed of the danger threatening them at this stage. Leave Providence, abandon those who militarily support slavery, and refuse to fight in defence of them and in defence of slavery.
Help us free our people, and the bloodshed will be less than what it has the potential to be.
Do not let genocide come to your door. You have the power to control what is or is not inevitable. Ms Morgan has already sent warnings. Plenty of them. If one was Matari, and he/she wished to side by their Amarrian counterpart, then they can leave. Anyone that stays will be viewed as a possible threat. It is that simple.
Quote:Please understand, slavery is not something I support, but at the same time I find that people overlook what comes after you have 'freed' them. Immigration into the Republic hasn't been the smoothest process and the borders are filled with refugee camps because the Republic simply doesn't know what to do with the influx of hundreds of millions of new freeman coming into their systems. Even then, the Amarrian Matar slaves may be genetically Matari, but that's where it ends for many. I hear you. I have been thinking of some ideas to help those who do wish to have a second chance at live without the worry of having a holder. Knowing the Republic has not been doing well with the overflow of immigration, sending them there may not be the best of ideas. Maybe if they wish to, they can start an eighth tribe in a location of their choosing. ~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that...from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl." ~"Forever?" ~"Yes - forever. It's what I do." |
Simon Louvaki
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.01.10 16:26:00 -
[162] - Quote
Kentt Em'asep wrote: I hear you. I have been thinking of some ideas to help those who do wish to have a second chance at live without the worry of having a holder. Knowing the Republic has not been doing well with the overflow of immigration, sending them there may not be the best of ideas. Maybe if they wish to, they can start an eighth tribe in a location of their choosing.
Aye, but what about those who have no desire to be 'free'? What I don't see being taken into consideration is whether or not these individual Matari even want what their liberators are offering, and I haven't seen any choice given to them either. So far, every liberator seems to be under the impression that whatever it is they have to offer the slaves is infinitely better than what they have under their Holder, and in some cases that's true, but its certainly not so across the board.
There are plenty of slaves who are mistreated by their masters, but at the same time there are likely far more who are served an indifferent fate. Slaves are an investment, both financially and spiritually to the Amarr Holder. I've heard plenty of horror stories of beating and whips and Vitoc but I remain skeptical that this is so for the vast majority of slaves. It just doesn't make sense to invest money into the well being of a slave to waste it away by beating them half to death and force them to preform poorly at whatever job it is they were bought for.
Slaves are guaranteed food, a place to stay, a safe place to raise a family and work until they die. If a Holder is truly righteous, then freedom is guaranteed through faith, though I realize not every Holder is truly so faithful. Outside those compounds, they are afforded the chance to rise above that and even exceed that, but its a world they know little of, full of people who are far crueler than even some of the harshest slave masters who will use you and leave you for the buzzards.
I'd like to see more liberators concerned about just what their doing to their kinsmen. "Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu." |
Kentt Em'asep
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
69
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:28:00 -
[163] - Quote
Simon Louvaki wrote:Aye, but what about those who have no desire to be 'free'? What I don't see being taken into consideration is whether or not these individual Matari even want what their liberators are offering, and I haven't seen any choice given to them either. So far, every liberator seems to be under the impression that whatever it is they have to offer the slaves is infinitely better than what they have under their Holder, and in some cases that's true, but its certainly not so across the board.
There are plenty of slaves who are mistreated by their masters, but at the same time there are likely far more who are served an indifferent fate. Slaves are an investment, both financially and spiritually to the Amarr Holder. I've heard plenty of horror stories of beating and whips and Vitoc but I remain skeptical that this is so for the vast majority of slaves. It just doesn't make sense to invest money into the well being of a slave to waste it away by beating them half to death and force them to preform poorly at whatever job it is they were bought for.
Slaves are guaranteed food, a place to stay, a safe place to raise a family and work until they die. If a Holder is truly righteous, then freedom is guaranteed through faith, though I realize not every Holder is truly so faithful. Outside those compounds, they are afforded the chance to rise above that and even exceed that, but its a world they know little of, full of people who are far crueler than even some of the harshest slave masters who will use you and leave you for the buzzards.
I'd like to see more liberators concerned about just what their doing to their kinsmen.
True... there are those who like their lives and don't want it to change. If we free them by killing who they call family, we would look much like the bad guys from any Amarrian story. For those Matari who do not desire freedom, it is up to their Amarr holders (or the Matari living under them) to take up the option of relocating their homes and families away from Providence so they can continue their lives. That is one of the reasons Ms Morgan has been giving the warnings I am sure. Their choice in if they want freedom all lies in if they choose to stay or to go. They don't want to see themselves liberatorated, then they should leave out of harm's way and out of the possible war-zones.
If I was able to sit down with every single Matari and ask,"Do you want to be free?" I would. But with how much people there is, that is not possible to complete in their livetime. ~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that...from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl." ~"Forever?" ~"Yes - forever. It's what I do." |
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
89
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:27:00 -
[164] - Quote
And what about the free Amarrian citizens who happen to have been born with Matar parentage?
It is very easy to make a statement that people should uproot their entire life and move sight unseen to a far away and foreign planet. Arranging for large numbers of people to be able to actually make that trip, and to be able to make a new life on the other planets that are more politically agreeable to the people feeling that it is reasonable to dictate such things, is not as easy. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
407
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:59:00 -
[165] - Quote
Maire Gheren wrote:And what about the free Amarrian citizens who happen to have been born with Matar parentage?
It is very easy to make a statement that people should uproot their entire life and move sight unseen to a far away and foreign planet. Arranging for large numbers of people to be able to actually make that trip, and to be able to make a new life on the other planets that are more politically agreeable to the people feeling that it is reasonable to dictate such things, is not as easy.
Apparently they too will be victims of this mindless slaughter, as is always the result when you paint a people with one colour. wumbo |
Amun Khonsu
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
106
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Posted - 2013.01.19 14:16:00 -
[166] - Quote
As for the op, Ushra Khan, is irrelevant to mainstream Matari militia, living in the ass end of the universe far away from the front lines. All the while pretending to be the main player in militia bestowing their graces on Iron Oxide to stay in Arzad (as if they can control whe people live), belittling and offending the core relavant alliances and corps as well as embellishing its true effectiveness.
UK of today is not the UK it was in its glory days, when the very corporations who make up today's main militia alliances helped them succeed in null sec (the ones they berate today). UK's leadership, purpose and reputation has changed. It is hardly a microbe of what it was.
The sooner they get with the program the sooner they can restore their reputation and become relevant to the goals of militia. Not holding my breathe. They are too **** arrogant and full of themselves they can see out of their ***'s right now.
The amarr chose to irradicate them first in their backend system because they are the minmatar militias week link and easier to exterminate due to how isolated they made themselves from mainstream militia and their poor relations with the main militia alliances like ours. as soon as the Amarr are through with them in their backend system, the amarr will refocus on the systems they value closer to home.... The front lines.
Is best for them and the rest of militia to discuss with us and other mainstream alliance leaders what the goals are, what is needed and where, before making silly decrees and accusations against others in militia and assuming they can act as the militias mouthpiece on what is best. Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
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Xuixien
Perkone Caldari State
235
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Posted - 2013.01.27 23:14:00 -
[167] - Quote
I'm reading this and all I see is more Brutor posturing. Everyone vs Everyone Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens |
Athena Belvar
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.02.04 18:29:00 -
[168] - Quote
Brutor postering?..lol At least we can back it up there. |
Azure Blooder
Singularity Tech Syndycate
0
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:42:00 -
[169] - Quote
You got nice spirit there kid. Heck both sides have good spirit going on. This looks to be a great bash. The faithful Amarr with God at their back. While Matari with the rightful vengence in their hands, duking it out for a great war. And once the dust settles what is next? Probably another great war between the two great races. In the end though it's guys on the side lines like me, shaking their heads, wondering will they actually do anything else. Probably not. At least we all get some nice entertainment out of it.
By the way, though I am Amarr, by no means do I support slavery in anyway. Nor do I support the Amarr's faith. I'm just a fringe pilot giving a little bit of his mind to the people here. |
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