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Roger Dew
Simply Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:56:00 -
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I've been playing Eve for about 2 and a half years now, time has flown by and it doesn't seem like that long ago that I would laugh at my mates for playing MMOs. That said, I'm here and still enjoying it (to a point!)
I have a few accounts and do what I need to play the game. I don't think it costs that much to get involved in PVP but the ethos of bigger=better is always there and of course you must have an X-type fitted Vindicator in amongst your PVP assets even if it's never undocked before.
However, to reach these goals we must either endure, running missions/plex/exploration/incursions and what not. Or we must buy plex. But there is the other side of Eve that enjoys Spreadsheets online. The miners/industrialists.
I have never understood why you would sit mining an asteroid belt solo making 10m per hour at the most (unless you're in 0.0 hidden belts) to fund your PVP activities. Just recently I did some belt ratting in a tier 3 BC to up my sec status, and actually made an average of 20m per hour, at which point I'm not even trying to get ISK, I'm just trying to repair SS.
I was curious to this mining thing. So made 3x buddy accounts to train for mining barges. I already had a guy that can fly an Orca, so I bought one of them along with a few covetors and now I'm 950m down. That's ok, they're assets and will be counted as such on a balance sheet.
I head to the highsec belts, knowing full well not to expect great fortune, however comforted in people telling me hi-sec ores are worth nearly as much as the null sec offerings.
So I start up a movie on my laptop (This is England) expecting to click a few buttons over the next 2 hours and end up with a bunch of rocks. Wrong. Mining requires micromanagement! The cycle time on my strippers being just under 2 minutes meant I had; at most, 2 minutes free at a time. But after a few cycles and some rocks getting eaten quicker it's to the point that you have to constantly be activating them, that's not even including jettisoning the ore and then tractoring it with the Orca.
So the movie finishes about 2 hours later and I check my items hanger. 39m worth of Ore. Holy ****. That is OREful.
Now I'm sure a professional rock eater must be able to increase the efficiency of what I was doing, however then you're at the point where you're constantly watching the screen, and you might aswell be doing something that rewards your concentration. A well fit battleship costs 1/2 that of an Orca, and in 0.0 you can do anomolies that will make you more than 60m per hour. I dread to think how many hulks you would need to generate that level of income from selling minerals.
Now that brings us to the next point, who sells minerals? Do the miners all build with the minerals? If you do, you might aswell go grab a battleship, do what I said and make 4x the income you would doing mining, use that isk to go and buy all the minerals you want.
Now if everyone did this, there would be no more minerals, people would pay more for them, and mining would appeal to more people.
And I guess this is my point, are we still in the point where individuals still have buckets of minerals from botting or do people just not realise what a waste of time it is ???
tldr; if you're mining you're doing it wrong. |
Diamond Bull
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:00:00 -
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Because someone has to provide the minerals for all those shiny explosions. I am glad to contribute my little bit to the PvP of Eve by turning rocks into ships and turning a slight profit doing so. You're welcome. |
Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:00:00 -
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People might actually enjoy mining you know :P. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:08:00 -
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Roger Dew wrote:Now if everyone did this, there would be no more minerals, people would pay more for them, I see a slight flaw in your argument here. Why would people pay more for something that no longer exists? |
Demolishar
United Aggression
474
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:08:00 -
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You made the mistake of mining ore. mine Ice. |
Kobal81
14th Legion Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:09:00 -
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It's the same reasn we have sh*t posters like you,"Because they can" "Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit" |
Shamus O'Reilly
Gungnirs' Point I Know Right
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:14:00 -
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you mined for two hours with 3 characters and an orca buddy and only made 39mil?.... whatre u doing wrong exactly? my buddy semiafk mines while studying and makes an easy 300 an afternoon... and over a billion a week |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1419
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:20:00 -
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Good question. I've never mined. It looks really boring... I have no idea why people do it.
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
807
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:24:00 -
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They aren't sitting there staring at the beams the entire time. It's a good thing to do while you're doing other things, when you can't give the game your undivided attention. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Shalia Ripper
213
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:25:00 -
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How much will you make in your rookie ships when there are no mins to make those shiny battleships?
Why can't I just delete my signature CCP? WHYYYYYYY?
Signatures have consequences - Malcanis
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
954
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:26:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Good question. I've never mined. It looks really boring... I have no idea why people do it.
The closest I've ever come is putting mining drones on that one incursion site and that told me everything I needed to know (Everything being mining is awful). |
Lord LazyGhost
Kadavr Black Guard Shadow Cartel
18
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:26:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Good question. I've never mined. It looks really boring... I have no idea why people do it.
well like you said u started 3 buddy acounts. so your miners will be sup par to others no t2 crystals ships probs not fitted orca pilot givig boosts? hardwireings? to boost it faster. with orca boosting and a mind link in place evern more ore faster :). also if ya want to do it while wathing movies mine ice |
Sentamon
276
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:32:00 -
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Yes mining is horrible ISK generation. Everyone stop doing it. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Kiran
Knights of Azrael The Azrael Alliance
18
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:49:00 -
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90% of the items you buy are made by players. Now if they removed mining from the game how would you buy your ships and weapons ? Fly about killing rats till one of them dropped a hull ?
If this is the game you want then go play WoW. |
Ra'Shyne Viper
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:52:00 -
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i could see a group of dude from the same corp mining while bullshating on vent/TS/local.
i think of it more of a social activity: making isk while getting yucky with the bros, nomsayin?
solo mining serves no purpose, though you could just be mining and surfing the web ingame.
but, i could station trade, web surf and wayyyyyyyyyy more isk.
Also, mining could play a part in RPing if youre into that gay stuff. |
Xercodo
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1487
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:55:00 -
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For one you're doing 3 way multi-boxing, while it's common to think that anyone that mines must be multi boxing 5 accounts this isn't always true.
Personally, I enjoy mining as a relaxation element that still allows me to make money while I hang out and talk in my various channels or get other work done or even play a totally different game. It allows me to be slightly more productive than ship spinning and since I use a mack I can get a fairly decent yield without having to check on anything apart from roid depletion. And since I try to mine in quiet systems the roids tend to be large enough that this doesn't happen too often and I've yet to ever be ganked.
I also sometimes try to task myself with building a ship from scratch myself (aside from mega and zyd....that is until the Venture is out and I can ninja myself some ABCs :D) Yes I know that mining it myself doesn't make it free and 9 times otu fo 10 I could have bought ti cheaper instead of building it but it's just something I like to do to say I did. Made an orca that way fairly recently :D The Drake is a Lie |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:57:00 -
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Ok i ask that question my self to but here it comes. 2 weeks ago or more. I was a little borred with the pvp/pve content. Normal i play like i think 1 hour 2 or 3 at moost. So i friend of me say he you can use internet at work to right? i say yah. Why dont you mine and make some extra isk. I say no way man its borred. He say nah just give it a try,
So i had some basic skills and upgrade it to get a Retriever. And fit with mining strippers. And fly to a belt. Put out the lasers make a bookmark and let the boring game play go............. 5 hours laters i log off. I have never thought it was fun i can do whatever i like and making isk at the same time if you know what i mean here.
So here is my daily thing. I log in i mine and log out. Thats what i do now in eve some times i mine 3/4 belts for my own. in 1 day. I have no idea if it good or bad i dont care i like it.......... yah i was shock to when i found out that i love the relaxs and not 24hours adraline rush.
Now i play eve mining with my main display and my 2 display i have a movie running and my 3 display, roaming the internet. And using the ingame browser to forum reading all kinds of things *trying to learn some basic english and spelling/grammer that kinds of thinks.
Yes i like eve more because i never thought i like mining. This explane how eve is. And how you play a game. I love the pve content but i get borred very fast and iam not a pvp guy i just dont like it. I like to watch other people and reading there hero storys about it. But for me iam just a guy thats playing the eve pve content in this game. But i have never try a good corp that like to train me in pvp perhaps some day i will try it. But for now iam happy with the new job i have in eve.
Try it if you playing eve more then 4 years with 24hours adraline rush i think you like to relaxs option in eve for sure. Trust me i was the same like you and i think all miners are. Some a born to relaxs.
Sorry for the bad spelling/grammer iam not english so keep it nice. |
YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:02:00 -
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Roger Dew wrote:I've been playing Eve for about 2 and a half years now, time has flown by and it doesn't seem like that long ago that I would laugh at my mates for playing MMOs. That said, I'm here and still enjoying it (to a point!)
I have a few accounts and do what I need to play the game. I don't think it costs that much to get involved in PVP but the ethos of bigger=better is always there and of course you must have an X-type fitted Vindicator in amongst your PVP assets even if it's never undocked before.
However, to reach these goals we must either endure, running missions/plex/exploration/incursions and what not. Or we must buy plex. But there is the other side of Eve that enjoys Spreadsheets online. The miners/industrialists.
I have never understood why you would sit mining an asteroid belt solo making 10m per hour at the most (unless you're in 0.0 hidden belts) to fund your PVP activities. Just recently I did some belt ratting in a tier 3 BC to up my sec status, and actually made an average of 20m per hour, at which point I'm not even trying to get ISK, I'm just trying to repair SS.
I was curious to this mining thing. So made 3x buddy accounts to train for mining barges. I already had a guy that can fly an Orca, so I bought one of them along with a few covetors and now I'm 950m down. That's ok, they're assets and will be counted as such on a balance sheet.
I head to the highsec belts, knowing full well not to expect great fortune, however comforted in people telling me hi-sec ores are worth nearly as much as the null sec offerings.
So I start up a movie on my laptop (This is England) expecting to click a few buttons over the next 2 hours and end up with a bunch of rocks. Wrong. Mining requires micromanagement! The cycle time on my strippers being just under 2 minutes meant I had; at most, 2 minutes free at a time. But after a few cycles and some rocks getting eaten quicker it's to the point that you have to constantly be activating them, that's not even including jettisoning the ore and then tractoring it with the Orca.
So the movie finishes about 2 hours later and I check my items hanger. 39m worth of Ore. Holy ****. That is OREful.
Now I'm sure a professional rock eater must be able to increase the efficiency of what I was doing, however then you're at the point where you're constantly watching the screen, and you might aswell be doing something that rewards your concentration. A well fit battleship costs 1/2 that of an Orca, and in 0.0 you can do anomolies that will make you more than 60m per hour. I dread to think how many hulks you would need to generate that level of income from selling minerals.
Now that brings us to the next point, who sells minerals? Do the miners all build with the minerals? If you do, you might aswell go grab a battleship, do what I said and make 4x the income you would doing mining, use that isk to go and buy all the minerals you want.
Now if everyone did this, there would be no more minerals, people would pay more for them, and mining would appeal to more people.
And I guess this is my point, are we still in the point where individuals still have buckets of minerals from botting or do people just not realise what a waste of time it is ???
tldr; if you're mining you're doing it wrong.
Without miners, you have no ships, modules, etc. Were you planning on pod bumping as your choice of future PvP?
I'm not a troll! I just play one on TV! I'm not a troll!, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
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Zoctrine
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:17:00 -
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I play this and other games the way I like it, it has happen on a very few occasion's that I've asked others what they like doing and why just so I could get a perspective on something I don't (or didn't at the time) do in the game.
In short... What I like doing is my business, what everyone else does is their business, no one has any right over anyone about how to frak play a game.
Seems to me the OP (and countless others that post about other people play styles) don't really enjoy the game, what they really enjoy doing is spend their time wondering why is others not doing what GÇ£TheyGÇ¥ think is the right thing to do, either that or they are just plain ignorant egocentrics, or even a mix of both... |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1160
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:30:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:You made the mistake of mining ore. mine Ice.
Ice is even worse at 8mil an hour.
OP; People will play the way they want to play. The only issue I have with some profession (ice mining) is when they become an activity where you profit for not actually playing the game. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
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Digital Messiah
Industrial Solutions
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:43:00 -
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You can easily make 100 mill an hour with 3 hulks and exhumers 4. Especially orca supported. A few words of wisdom though. It is best to make your hulk pilots production capable. Making ships is quite profitable if done right. Also find out which ores will net you the most isk / m3. ATM pyroxeres is about the most profitable. With perfect skills and implants + orca boost you can manage 45-50 million from pyroxeres on a single character. Also that is at jita buy prices you could net far more at sell prices.
So lets see, 3 plex divided by 44,000,000*3 =
588*3 -------- = 13 hours and 37 minutes of mining a month. "13.363636 continued" for the curious minded folks. (44*3)
Yes this is the same for one account YAY for math! So you see after you initial investment of 13 and a half hours a month you can continue to make a billion isk every. 7.57 or eight hours. So lets be realistic and assume you don't play eve 40 hours a week. Let us assume Theodore plays 28 hours a week. A fairly hardcore player. During this week Theodore PVP's around 18 hours, and mines the other 10 to provide isk for his accounts and PVP.
In a month this amounts to 72 hours of PVP and 40 hours of mining, a total of 112 hours of gameplay a month. Theodore needs a girlfriend... But more about that later. Mining for 40 hours a month Theodore accumulates 5,280,000,000 isk, 1,764,000,000 of this is needed to buy plex, leaving 3,516,000,000 isk for him to use on shiny new ships. This is all based on the lowest amount that theoretically will be made on maxed out characters in high security space...
To get to the really fun stuff ill give you an example using the highest isk / m3 ore atm. Hedbergite!
$59,084,243.10*3*40 = 7,090,109,172 isk
Yeah I am just not sure why people would mine to make this isk. I am sure there are other activities in EVE that net you this much isk while being "bored". Although trading is more lucrative and about the only less skill intensive activity that can achieve this. You will be hard pressed to find anything else that nets you this much for doing so little and having less SP than most level 4 mission runners. "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2119
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:44:00 -
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The current income level from mining is enough to encourage some people to do it.
If you don't like mining, don't do it.
If you don't like square dancing, don't ell the people that enjoy square dancing that they are doing it wrong. If you don't like watching the soccer game with your mates, don't tell your mates that they are doing it wrong. If you don't like mining in EVE Online, don't tell miners they are doing it wrong.
Some people value their play time in terms of ISK/hr, others by successful inventions per day, others by kills, k/d ratio and losses/inflicted ratio. Some people measure their enjoyment of the game by how many people they get to chat with during their play time. Some people simply want to do something with their corporation ingame while jointly watching sports or a movie: the game is really just a fancy IMVU for the duration.
If I got into an Omen and flew into lowsec then came back to the forums to complain about how unenjoyable it was to be blown up by that Arazu and Rook, you would laugh at me. The reverse is true when pilots come to the forums to whine about mining being unprofitable or boring.
Your tears fuel my mining fleet.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
85
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:04:00 -
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Eh, I mine when I'm bored but don't want my wallet to remain entirely static. It's not very fun, but for so little effort you still get something, so why not I say? |
Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:04:00 -
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OP, who cares what people do with their own gametime? Seriously.
Mara Rinn wrote: If you don't like mining, don't do it.
If you don't like square dancing, don't ell the people that enjoy square dancing that they are doing it wrong. If you don't like watching the soccer game with your mates, don't tell your mates that they are doing it wrong. If you don't like mining in EVE Online, don't tell miners they are doing it wrong.
Some people value their play time in terms of ISK/hr, others by successful inventions per day, others by kills, k/d ratio and losses/inflicted ratio. Some people measure their enjoyment of the game by how many people they get to chat with during their play time. Some people simply want to do something with their corporation ingame while jointly watching sports or a movie: the game is really just a fancy IMVU for the duration.
If I got into an Omen and flew into lowsec then came back to the forums to complain about how unenjoyable it was to be blown up by that Arazu and Rook, you would laugh at me. The reverse is true when pilots come to the forums to whine about mining being unprofitable or boring.
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Sentamon
276
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:05:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Demolishar wrote:You made the mistake of mining ore. mine Ice. Ice is even worse at 8mil an hour. OP; People will play the way they want to play. The only issue I have with some profession (ice mining) is when they become an activity where you profit for not actually playing the game.
Holy crap, 8mil an hour. Clearly a game-breaking activity. If you're so worried about "playing" you should clean up your own backyard. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
galenwade
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:09:00 -
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Oh look a new
" Stop doing what you want to do in this sandbox game , and play my way as it has to be right" Thread
Note this is from an RvB toon... all i do is shoot pixels and bump the recruitment forum |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
909
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:14:00 -
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galenwade wrote:Oh look a new " Stop doing what you want to do in this sandbox game , and play my way as it has to be right" Thread Note this is from an RvB toon... all i do is shoot pixels and bump the recruitment forum You bump the recruitment forum.
You evil callous person
Personally I have mining alts for when I want to make isk but have too hard a day in RL to want to think or I have too much RL work to do and don't want to spend most of my time concentrating on EvE. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Merouk Baas
7
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:17:00 -
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The whole game is a waste of time.
The other day I worked for about an hour at my RL job, got paid, and made 571 million ISK just like that. One hour of work, 571 million! 2 hours of work, a billion! Day of work, 5 billion! In a month, I'm going to have 150 billion! By August next year, trillionaire. Richer than alliances! All solo!
I don't understand how you people can stand to do anything in this game, when it clearly does not even come close to the payout of a job. |
galenwade
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:18:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:galenwade wrote:Oh look a new " Stop doing what you want to do in this sandbox game , and play my way as it has to be right" Thread Note this is from an RvB toon... all i do is shoot pixels and bump the recruitment forum You bump the recruitment forum. You evil callous person Personally I have mining alts for when I want to make isk but have too hard a day in RL to want to think or I have too much RL work to do and don't want to spend most of my time concentrating on EvE.
Fixed ... should pay more attention to the smiles that i am clicking
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
909
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:19:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:The whole game is a waste of time.
The other day I worked for about an hour at my RL job, got paid, and made 571 million ISK just like that. One hour of work, 571 million! 2 hours of work, a billion! Day of work, 5 billion! In a month, I'm going to have 150 billion! By August next year, trillionaire. Richer than alliances! All solo!
I don't understand how you people can stand to do anything in this game, when it clearly does not even come close to the payout of a job. Umm it is a game, we do it for pleasure. A job is done to pay bills, save for retirement, buy cool cars ect.. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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