Fixed ... should pay more attention to the smiles that i am clicking

Mining is better ISK/effort than ship spinning.

Being a still makes you a forum bumper.

or not

Then there was the time I found out the girl I was dating was sleeping with her boss-- some creepy, old married man. God damn, that was a kick to the gut...I was so shell shocked all I could do was stare numbly at my computer monitor as the soothing, blue whisper of a laser pulled those ugly, brown rocks out of the sky. For weeks i stared, as if the dreamy blue line was a laser scalpel cutting the bad parts out of my mind. Oh geez, now I've bummed everyone out. I think I'll go mine.

588*3
-------- = 13 hours and 37 minutes of mining a month. "13.363636 continued" for the curious minded folks.
(44*3)

I miss the relaxing blue ribbons of ice harvesters, accompanied by that seductive vooooossshh voooooossshh. Now it's all harsh industrial sounds and definitely not relaxing.

Umm it is a game, we do it for pleasure. A job is done to pay bills, save for retirement, buy cool cars ect..

People mine because it's easy to write a bot for it.


thing is, it actually isnt.
even I, who have probably sold less than 100 mods in my entire EVE career, could park in Jita and buy low, sell high for more isk than mining.

???
Really?
Mining is better ISK/hr than doing NOTHING. Trading or market whatever-ing is doing something.

I didn't think I would have to clarify that.

I've been playing Eve for about 2 and a half years now, time has flown by and it doesn't seem like that long ago that I would laugh at my mates for playing MMOs. That said, I'm here and still enjoying it (to a point!)

I have a few accounts and do what I need to play the game. I don't think it costs that much to get involved in PVP but the ethos of bigger=better is always there and of course you must have an X-type fitted Vindicator in amongst your PVP assets even if it's never undocked before.

However, to reach these goals we must either endure, running missions/plex/exploration/incursions and what not. Or we must buy plex. But there is the other side of Eve that enjoys Spreadsheets online. The miners/industrialists.

I have never understood why you would sit mining an asteroid belt solo making 10m per hour at the most (unless you're in 0.0 hidden belts) to fund your PVP activities. Just recently I did some belt ratting in a tier 3 BC to up my sec status, and actually made an average of 20m per hour, at which point I'm not even trying to get ISK, I'm just trying to repair SS.

I was curious to this mining thing. So made 3x buddy accounts to train for mining barges. I already had a guy that can fly an Orca, so I bought one of them along with a few covetors and now I'm 950m down. That's ok, they're assets and will be counted as such on a balance sheet.

I head to the highsec belts, knowing full well not to expect great fortune, however comforted in people telling me hi-sec ores are worth nearly as much as the null sec offerings.

So I start up a movie on my laptop (This is England) expecting to click a few buttons over the next 2 hours and end up with a bunch of rocks. Wrong. Mining requires micromanagement! The cycle time on my strippers being just under 2 minutes meant I had; at most, 2 minutes free at a time. But after a few cycles and some rocks getting eaten quicker it's to the point that you have to constantly be activating them, that's not even including jettisoning the ore and then tractoring it with the Orca.

So the movie finishes about 2 hours later and I check my items hanger. 39m worth of Ore. Holy ****. That is OREful.

Now I'm sure a professional rock eater must be able to increase the efficiency of what I was doing, however then you're at the point where you're constantly watching the screen, and you might aswell be doing something that rewards your concentration. A well fit battleship costs 1/2 that of an Orca, and in 0.0 you can do anomolies that will make you more than 60m per hour. I dread to think how many hulks you would need to generate that level of income from selling minerals.

Now that brings us to the next point, who sells minerals? Do the miners all build with the minerals? If you do, you might aswell go grab a battleship, do what I said and make 4x the income you would doing mining, use that isk to go and buy all the minerals you want.

Now if everyone did this, there would be no more minerals, people would pay more for them, and mining would appeal to more people.

And I guess this is my point, are we still in the point where individuals still have buckets of minerals from botting or do people just not realise what a waste of time it is ???

tldr; if you're mining you're doing it wrong.

90% of the items you buy are made by players. Now if they removed mining from the game how would you buy your ships and weapons ? Fly about killing rats till one of them dropped a hull ?

If this is the game you want then go play WoW.

To answer your question OP, some people (I'm talking about me!) just arent intrested in Fights AT ALL. They just dont give me the kick. On the other hand, the awesome economy system EvE's having is just so epic that words cant describe it. Yet you can manage Hauling and Trading while mining (assuming you have alts).

In total, it costs me as much concentration as just playing 1 Account and do Mission Running - but the hell, THAT is whats really boring in my eyes. Don't get me wrong, have fun with it if youd enjoy it, but its just not everybodys deal.

tldr; if you're mining you're doing it wrong.

Miners complained their job was boring so we provided a bit of excitement. They then whined that it was unfair that they couldn't mine with a max yeild setup without risk so CCP nerfed ganking. Miners now complain that their job is boring...

It was never miners complaining that mining was boring. If they find mining boring, they're just PvP pilots desperate for ISK, thinking that mining is an ISK-making exercise.

You can thank people like Alikchialeika for the barge buff. All that effort into ganking miners, triggering CCP to make mining barges just a little more survivable in a hostile environment. Your collective industrialization of miner harassment efforts will keep the hisec buffs coming. Which is what you want, after all.

We now know that if we do nothing to counter fools on the forums bad things will happen. Hence why we are now keeping a detailed record on our freighter piracy so that CCP cannot be fooled into another disasterous event like the unbalanced barge changes.