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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:35:00 -
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WHen I look at the Deimos and Muninn's gun setups, I feel the zealot is a bit under par, with only 4 turret mounts.
Have any zealot pilots fought and killed a Deimos or Muninn? Or any other HAC for that matter?
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:41:00 -
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Zealot is very powerful...the rof is  . Ive gotten close to one in my deimos and it still hurts!!
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:43:00 -
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Its lack of a 5th turret is compensated by its huge number of low slots, meaning lots of damage mods.
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:47:00 -
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eheh.. Trust me man first off Zealot is a tier 1 HAC therefore normally has less overall power. Not even the case with the zealot as it packs a HELL of a punch.
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Hyey
I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
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Vaarmoth Malinigvious
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:48:00 -
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If the Zealot is fitting a MWD and can stay out of web range of the Deimos it should have a good chance.
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WiseMan Ari
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: WiseMan Ari on 28/04/2005 22:49:29
Deimos also has a 1000m3 drone bay
where as the zealot has 0m3
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Ortu Konsinni
Its lack of a 5th turret is compensated by its huge number of low slots, meaning lots of damage mods.
So having 1 more lowslot then a Deimos equals a turret
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.04.28 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Meridius on 28/04/2005 22:58:51
Originally by: Hyey
eheh.. Trust me man first off Zealot is a tier 1 HAC therefore normally has less overall power. Not even the case with the zealot as it packs a HELL of a punch.
There are no tiers in HAC's.
A tier 2 BS requires BS level 2, that is what makes it a tier 2 bs.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:01:00 -
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The zealot is a ship I fear a lot. Its damage is awesome (I know from experience even on hardened armour) and its a lot more dangerous than a sac imo in space and the zealot will hit you at greater range than the deimos. Its a situational thing really which is better.
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Edited by: Meridius on 28/04/2005 22:58:51
Originally by: Hyey
eheh.. Trust me man first off Zealot is a tier 1 HAC therefore normally has less overall power. Not even the case with the zealot as it packs a HELL of a punch.
There are no tiers in HAC's.
A tier 2 BS requires BS level 2, that is what makes it a tier 2 bs.
K ill never compare them to the models they were built from.. ever.
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Hyey
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:05:00 -
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has anyone lost a deimos or muninn to a zealot?
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:12:00 -
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i've tested deimos on corpmate's zealot. 1vs1 deimos is better, but zealot's dmg is not much lower. But i'd say that zealot is more usable in general roles & fleets...
There are also other small details, that ppl usually don't see.
1. speed: deimos is slow *****
2. sig: biggest sig (160m, more than caldari)
3. those two combined means at least 800m sig with mwd
4. price - because most ppl see only dmg mod, not even considering range, etc, etc, etc.. everyone wants to use it. Result: deimos = 2x zealot almost
Dmg is nice though... if you get in range... and don't think that you will get in gankageddons range from 20-25km.
In the end, both are good.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Meridius on 28/04/2005 23:14:09
Originally by: Hyey
K ill never compare them to the models they were built from.. ever.
You shouldn't. Tech 2 ships are specialized.
Look at the Ishtar and Deimos. Is the Deimos all might compared to the Deimos? Hell no, the Ishtar is a specialized drone ship while the Deimos a specialized blaster boat. They both excel at their relative roles.
HAC's based on tier 3 cruisers are not suppose to be better.
The Zealot is specialized for ranged damage (which got nerfed) while the Sacrilege is a wicked tank (which is good for next to nothing except being a good heavy tackler).
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
has anyone lost a deimos or muninn to a zealot?
People have lost armageddons to maledictions so im sure the above has also happened quite often.
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Hyey
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:19:00 -
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Meridius, whats your zealot setup?
Now that pulses are nerfed, I am toying with the idea of making mine a glorified frigate killer with 4 quad lights. You'd be surprised the DOT they put out. About 15% less than the pulses, except you can track an inty with them.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
Meridius, whats your zealot setup?
Now that pulses are nerfed, I am toying with the idea of making mine a glorified frigate killer with 4 quad lights. You'd be surprised the DOT they put out. About 15% less than the pulses, except you can track an inty with them.
I fit...
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If you want to kill frigs with a Zealot then yeah quad lights or focused medium pulses should be able to track them well enough. Just don't forget a web
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2005.04.28 23:42:00 -
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gotcha
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.04.29 00:00:00 -
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I haven't lost a HAC fight in either my vagabond or my munin, but I've never faught the amarr versions. I'm pretty sure I'd win, but I usually get ganked by a battleship fleet within 48 hours of stepping into a HAC so theres not much point in discussing them really... 
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2005.04.29 01:50:00 -
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I fly a Deimos, and I have to say while my buddy in a Zealot is much more versatile, my damage output is still considerably higher. That said, he usually ends up getting the killmails because of his ridiculous ROF.
I think he's using a gank setup with beam IIs, works wonders for picking off interceptors and general sniping.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.04.29 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: Selim on 29/04/2005 01:56:31
Originally by: Meridius
Edited by: Meridius on 28/04/2005 22:58:51
Originally by: Hyey
eheh.. Trust me man first off Zealot is a tier 1 HAC therefore normally has less overall power. Not even the case with the zealot as it packs a HELL of a punch.
There are no tiers in HAC's.
A tier 2 BS requires BS level 2, that is what makes it a tier 2 bs.
Not true. The zealot, cerberus, vagabond and ishtar all have less hitpoints, capacitor, powergrid/cpu etc than the other 4, as well as sensor strength.
But more telling is the cost it takes to build them. The four I just described are a good deal cheaper to produce than the other 4. Thats the big thing that separates them.
Does this mean that they are crappier? No, but they ARE still separated into tiers.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.04.29 02:09:00 -
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Edited by: Meridius on 29/04/2005 02:10:30
Originally by: Selim
Not true. The zealot, cerberus, vagabond and ishtar all have less hitpoints, capacitor, powergrid/cpu etc than the other 4, as well as sensor strength.
A Zealot has a higher scan resolution as well as more grid then a Sacrilege.
What you say is mostly valid but i think those attributes being lower have to do with what the ships are specialized for. The Ishtar may have lower HP and grid ect then a Deimos but does that mean a Deimos is an overall better ship? It has less armor/pg because of it's slot configuration and massive dronebay. The way it is now keeps it in balance with the Deimos. If it had equal hp/grid ect it would be overpowered.
Don't forget that this line of questioning is based on the following comment...
Originally by: Hyey
eheh.. Trust me man first off Zealot is a tier 1 HAC therefore normally has less overall power. Not even the case with the zealot as it packs a HELL of a punch.
These ships have roles, the tier it's based on has nothing to do with damage output.
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SLIM
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Posted - 2005.04.29 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: SLIM on 29/04/2005 02:43:06
I'm RF's wingman in the zealot, and I think we're pretty familiar with the ships, having put in a good amount of hours on them. With my setup (beams, ganktastic) who would win depends entirely on where you start. A tanked to hell sacrilege still gets beaten by my ROF fairly quickly. Combine that with an optimal of 24km with multis, and any start point above 15km or so is death for the deimos. The deimos can't catch the zealot, and it certainly cant hope to tank it, short of a dedicated ridiculously anti-laser setup.
However, if for some reason the deimos manages to web me or starts fairly close, I might as well just eject. In fact, any mistake on the zealot's part that puts the zealot within the gallente demon's optimal spells the end of that zealot.
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Mortifier
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Posted - 2005.04.29 02:47:00 -
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I seen a munnin fight ......... its good
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.04.29 03:02:00 -
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i wonder about all that uber zealot... what happens when you meet vegabond
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.04.29 03:02:00 -
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i wonder about all that uber zealot... what happens when you meet vegabond
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Mortifier
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Posted - 2005.04.29 03:27:00 -
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.............zealot wins
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.04.29 04:29:00 -
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How does the eagle hold up to all them?
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.04.29 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
How does the eagle hold up to all them?
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.04.29 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 29/04/2005 05:43:17
Originally by: Mortifier
.............zealot wins
...How would a zealot possibly beat a vagabond?
Vaga is faster, does more damage (same bonuses, 1 more turret, autocannons outdamage pulse, though zealot can fit more damages mods), and has good em resist (if shield tanked) OR ridiculous em resist (if armor tanked).
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.04.29 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 29/04/2005 05:43:17
Originally by: Mortifier
.............zealot wins
...How would a zealot possibly beat a vagabond?
Vaga is faster, does more damage (same bonuses, 1 more turret, autocannons outdamage pulse, though zealot can fit more damages mods), and has good em resist (if shield tanked) OR ridiculous em resist (if armor tanked).
Just a note... autocannons do NOT outdamage pulse, far from it. And the vagabond certainly does not outdamage a zealot. I don't know what game you've been playing, but in EVE, projectiles suck when compared to lasers damage wise, when there are no bonuses (or there are equal ones). So... yep, you're wrong. Except about the vagabond beating the zealot part.
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