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Companion Qube
Positive Cashflow through Positive Thinking SRS.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:20:00 -
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So, sell side orders have already breached 400m per unit in Jita - anyone want to place bets on when CCP will crash the price again with a new promotion? |
Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:23:00 -
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Heard your mom breached jersey shore beach last weekend |
Companion Qube
Positive Cashflow through Positive Thinking SRS.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:25:00 -
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Brock Nelson wrote:Heard your mom breached jersey shore beach last weekend That news is so last week. |
Dethmourne Silvermane
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 01:53:00 -
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Please get them to 500m, I need to pay off my EVE debt and my new job is salary so I end up working even when I'm at home. |
whaynethepain
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Posted - 2011.10.05 02:17:00 -
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I think ccp can sustain this price. |
El 1974
Bendebeukers Green Rhino
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Posted - 2011.10.05 10:30:00 -
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A promotion is only a temporary bandaid that costs CCP money in the long run. CCP needs to solve the excess of isk ingame. They should create stuff we want. Add content that require players to spend isk on BPO's etc. There have been plenty of game changes suggested that would create isk sinks as well such as increasing sov fees for larger alliances. |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers Indecisive Certainty
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:10:00 -
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CCP should add docking fees to NPC stations based on standings, best ISK sink ever. |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:34:00 -
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So that's why mean ole Qube drove up the price of PLEX. So he/she can troll MD. Now I'll have to pay for my army of forum alts with real money. This is so unfair. |
Krono Black
Light Shines Through
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:26:00 -
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Did you stop and think that with the rise in cost of plex thanks to the NEXstore that people might want to get a little more isk for their buck. Besides the promo which was a great idea imo. plex now cost more than a month of eve, where pre nexstore plex was the same amount as a month of eve. If you want to complain, complain about a game card costing more than the game. |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:00:00 -
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Tasko Pal wrote:So that's why mean ole Qube drove up the price of PLEX. So he/she can troll MD. Now I'll have to pay for my army of forum alts with real money. This is so unfair.
You really think someone is manipulating the plex market? Bare minimum you'd have to be throwing 200b around in buy and sell orders or stockpiles to move that market in any significant way.
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:49:00 -
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Companion Qube wrote:So, sell side orders have already breached 400m per unit in Jita - anyone want to place bets on when CCP will crash the price again with a new promotion? The ONLY thing CCP can do to crash the PLEX market is get more players into the game and buying GTCs and PLEX to sell for isk. So with any luck the most recent dev blogs are the sign you are looking for.
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Ave Volta
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:48:00 -
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Doesn't CCP want PLEX prices to go up?
The steady, if slow, gain in subs doesn't seem so sure anymore and players using PLEX for game time has to hurt their bottom line.
I mean...I haven't paid for this game in, like, forever. |
Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:08:00 -
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Ave Volta wrote:Doesn't CCP want PLEX prices to go up? What CCP wants is to increase the number of PLEX and GTC people buy for cash. To the extent that higher PLEX prices (in isk) make those PLEX more valuable to players and make them more likely to spend their cash on them, yes. But if you assume that CCP cares only about the price of PLEX, then that path leads to all kinds of wacky theories. They are far more concerned about the number of PLEX converted than the market price.
Edit: Many of us older players have multiple alts all paid for by PLEX. If the price of PLEX ever rose so high that we decided to cut back on our PLEX usage we'd probably be more likely to reduce the number of our accounts than to start paying real life money for Eve again. |
Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:09:00 -
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Ave Volta wrote:Doesn't CCP want PLEX prices to go up?
The steady, if slow, gain in subs doesn't seem so sure anymore and players using PLEX for game time has to hurt their bottom line.
I mean...I haven't paid for this game in, like, forever.
*facepalm*
This? Again? |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:14:00 -
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Ave Volta wrote:Doesn't CCP want PLEX prices to go up?
The steady, if slow, gain in subs doesn't seem so sure anymore and players using PLEX for game time has to hurt their bottom line.
I mean...I haven't paid for this game in, like, forever.
Technically, no. Someone bought the PLEX, so someone paid your sub for you. The concern is either a) people paying with PLEX might find it easier to quit playing (stockpiled isk being perceived as being less valuable than paying for a sub with real money, thus the perceived value of an Eve sub is reduced,)
b) people paying with PLEX might not be actually playing (i.e. just logging in for skill training) and are not contributing to the Eve community (community helps to make subs sticky,) or
c) the PLEX being used was bought a long time ago, which reduces current income. Meaning, the PLEX was bought a few quarters ago, CPP has already spent the PLEX income a few quarters ago, which means there is less income this quarter.
Also, if the PLEX prices go up, then CCP might lose the PLEX only player who finds grinding isk no longer worth the effort.
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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Ave Volta
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:02:00 -
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My line of reasoning, which I didn't really spell out, was essentially what Claire said.
Seems to me PLEX could go a bit higher still to achieve the optimal equalibrium that CCP would desire. Maximizing the attractiveness of converting cash to PLEX while not going so far as to turn of buyers of PLEX for game time.
I mean, with the massive amounts of isk floating around, idle or otherwise, I would think PLEX could go up a decent amount before people start to deactivte alts. But maybe I'm wrong.
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Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:10:00 -
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PLEX manipulation is underway. Prices are now selling at 430mil |
Angsty Teenager
We Are Furious
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:18:00 -
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Jita Bloodtear wrote:PLEX manipulation is underway. Prices are now selling at 430mil
I'll beat ther offers and sell prices for 420mil. |
Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:14:00 -
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Ave Volta wrote:Seems to me PLEX could go a bit higher still to achieve the optimal equalibrium that CCP would desire. Maximizing the attractiveness of converting cash to PLEX while not going so far as to turn of buyers of PLEX for game time.
My point is that CCP doesn't (or shouldn't) worry about the equilibrium. Any student of Econ 101 will tell you it will take care of itself.
What CCP cares about is lifting both the supply and demand curves. If demand rises faster than supply prices will go up. If supply rises faster than demand prices will go down.
CCP has access to information we traders don't. They know how many people are paying cash for PLEX and GTCs to convert to PLEX. They know how many subscribers are using PLEX to pay for game time. In other words, they know the actual end-user supply and demand. They don't have to stare at the tea leaves of the market to determine what direction things are going in.
They are however concerned about short-term shocks caused by CCP action. The case in point was Incursions that brought in a lot of new players who bought GTCs to sell for isk while simultaneously returning learning skill points causing a massive surge of capital skill book purchases and a huge isk sink. If it happens again, CCP plans to temporarily buy up surplus PLEX to support prices and inject isk into the market. |
Zeta Zhul
Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:36:00 -
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Comy 1 wrote:CCP should add docking fees to NPC stations based on standings, best ISK sink ever.
Or add fuel to the game. E.g. you get the listed PG & Cap with no fuel use. Install a power generator mod (new) and put fuel in the cargo hold and you get improved PG & Cap. But it costs you fuel and cargo capacity.
Increased fuel cost is an isk sink plus the creation of fuel adds to PI and ice mining. It will also tend to make ships more effective & cost efficient in their home areas as those will be the natural sources and markets for their racial ship fuels. |
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Kara Books
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.07 12:51:00 -
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their gonna push it to 500, at which point I suggest you take down your buy orders.
1) I didn't see a flood of people last month nor the month before that. I see winter coming, AKA, Slow months. I see a few new shiny super-titans in the peoples garages who are pulling this off. I see mineral prices growing at an alarming rate, over a very short period of time. I see myself doing the exact same thing with 1 trillion or more ISK on hand. I see my cup of coffee getting cold, so I will stop here.
2) Because that's exactly what I would do.
Only other option is, 2 penny basher's are tugging on that penny and a new type of wire made out of plex is about to be introduced into the eve online merchant community, with the unfortunate side effect of plex prices going up temporally.
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.10.07 15:02:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:their gonna push it to 500, at which point I suggest you take down your buy orders.
1) I didn't see a flood of people last month nor the month before that. I see winter coming, AKA, Slow months. I see a few new shiny super-titans in the peoples garages who are pulling this off. I see mineral prices growing at an alarming rate, over a very short period of time. I see myself doing the exact same thing with 1 trillion or more ISK on hand. I see my cup of coffee getting cold, so I will stop here.
2) Because that's exactly what I would do.
Only other option is, 2 penny basher's are tugging on that penny and a new type of wire made out of plex is about to be introduced into the eve online merchant community, with the unfortunate side effect of plex prices going up temporally. I hope this is not too late, but you need to get to an Emergency Room as soon as possible. Better yet, just pick up the phone and dial 9-1-1. They will take care of the rest.
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Nunchuck Norris
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.07 16:12:00 -
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incursion did this , let`s burn it with fire !
incursion brings too much isk / hour , and everyone and their dog are doing incursions now ... l4 main income source wasn`t isk from the sky , but LP & loot = not money from the sky , it was currency that was changing hands through selling LP modules & loot . The payment for the actual mission in liquid isk was extreme ****** .
Now with 10m at every 5-10 minutes , there is too much isk ingame = 420m plexes |
Tesal
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Posted - 2011.10.07 19:49:00 -
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Claire Voyant wrote:[quote=Ave Volta]...They are however concerned about short-term shocks caused by CCP action. The case in point was Incursions that brought in a lot of new players who bought GTCs to sell for isk while simultaneously returning learning skill points causing a massive surge of capital skill book purchases and a huge isk sink. If it happens again, CCP plans to temporarily buy up surplus PLEX to support prices and inject isk into the market.
The last thing to do is inject more ISK into the market. The supply and demand is being balanced now by how many people decide to unsub their alts due to the price of PLEX. More ISK being injected into the market will just cause more inflation. The ISK sale temporarily lowered the price of PLEX, with hopes that people would resub their alts probably. People have become accustomed to cheap PLEX and are willing to quit the game if it goes too high. CCP probably wants PLEX to be as cheap as possible.
The best thing CCP can do is inject content or make changes that gets a lot of ships and materials blown up. This would create a need to buy PLEX to replace losses, mostly in 0.0 battles. There isn't a need to sell PLEX to replace ships lost now, too many people are blue in 0.0. Both BoB/IT and the NC are gone, so there are that many fewer people who can challenge the current powers that be and their fleets of SC that dominate the field now. That is why I think they are going to nerf SC hard so that people feel like they have a chance to fight against the big power blocs for a little bit of space. They will buy a PLEX here and there to replace lost cap ships or pay for insurance or other stuff. Balancing capital ships is on the list of upcoming changes in the next patch. |
Commander Godsmack
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 04:34:00 -
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ya'll blowing a bunch of hot air. And Quebe this next bit may be horribly offensive to you but you cant gag me for this:
Elliot wave Theory Trends
PLEX prices are incredibly predictable if you just look at the charts and google the above two concepts
kthxbye |
Airto TLA
Puppeteers of Doom Real Life Rejects
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Posted - 2011.10.13 18:45:00 -
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I really have wondered what has caused the rapidly rising Plex prices, since overall most other prices seem to stay in the general range or actually fall, the sellers of plex get a better deal every month, while the buyers get a worse deal (more stuff sold to get the same amount of money, then more to buy the higher priced plex). So what has impacted PLex price recently:
1. The charity events PLex (for some disater) this should have raised Plex price, but had minotr impacts in the immediate time.
2. THe Plex buy 11 get one free sale, should have increased PLEX supply and lowered prices.
3. The world ecomomy is bad, less people willing to spend outside cash for isk, more people willing to sell isk for more play time. This should increase the price of Plex. Basically the intrisic cost of free time wasted has fallen, the fun budgets have decreased and
4. Incursions - free isk - the incursion runners and their 10+ billion income have both increased demand and decreased supply potentially (for example PVPer/part time Missioneer. Plays 80 hrs per month 30 hr missioning @30mil expends 1.2 bil in ships and general expenses. Net negative 300 mil, needs to buy a plex per month to cover, Now 20 hr per month Incusioning @100 per 1.5 bil spent, 500 mil left over and BUYS a plex.
5. Something else, what you think?
I think 3 and 4 overwhelm the impact of 1 and 2, and I think alts like this one are soon to be retired, since I do not really benefit much from 4 and I am defintitly impacted by 3. |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.10.13 20:33:00 -
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Ave Volta wrote:My line of reasoning, which I didn't really spell out, was essentially what Claire said.
Seems to me PLEX could go a bit higher still to achieve the optimal equalibrium that CCP would desire. Maximizing the attractiveness of converting cash to PLEX while not going so far as to turn of buyers of PLEX for game time.
I mean, with the massive amounts of isk floating around, idle or otherwise, I would think PLEX could go up a decent amount before people start to deactivte alts. But maybe I'm wrong.
/edit typo
carrying on with your thoughts and countering some reactionary free marketers who things a better value means more sales by definition.
- if you run a pay to play company, you'r going to set virtual currency sale prices based upon the scarcity and utility of goods you offer....and try to do so in a way that creates the maximum $ revenue.
- If people can buy sought after goods for a lower price they could very conceivably buy less currency because their needs were satisfied.
- balancing that is a fine line.... but lower prices don't even necessarily mean more total $ volume if game design needs let cash buys get what they needed for less.
Value isn't the driving force in the purchase decision for a great great many businesses far beyond oddities of virutal worlds and games.
Abercrombie and Fitch, or Tiffany's sell fine products better than most in their fields yet how much of mark up they can get on items owes a large part to the image and allure of exclusivity they've built around them.
Prices for plex could very well settle at a price where only peopel with piles of isk play and the first squeezed out of the market were people begining to get interested in the game and still paying cash for some accounts but losing interest if they couldn't fun another account with game play. Those people quitting means less people doing word of mouth marketing that brings in plex> isk sellers.
--- changes in game play like the pending nerf of super carriers could mean that the small handfull of people speding real money to sell plex to buy one dry's up.... and one or two of those people means hundreds of plex that would have hit the market but don't ... and make an equilibrium move without any consideration of the value of plex but the desire for a super. |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.10.13 20:48:00 -
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Volume in The Forge looks very steady over the course of the year.
Volume doesn't tell us anything that we can be sure of other than that does make it less likely that there are less people looking to sell $>plex>isk at this point.
It is true that we could conceivably be having the inventory of player held plex reduced in number to pretty much exactly match past volume but given that I could see equal numbers of people seeing the price rise when they've lost interest in the game, wanting to hold plex rather than isk during their hiatus.
Looking at things independently I'd think inventories would tend to stay the same so that a consistant volume means basically even numbers of people doing the $>plex> isk thing.
My best guess would be that more people who had stores of isk but were also buying game time monthly (and never needing to sell it.. just use it) have decided to stop paying $ and pay isk.
They have displaced people who aren't really sure of whether they want to keep an account active as the price goes higher.
Thats my guess though... same general profile bringing the plex to market.. slightly different profile of the group buying them thats letting the price rise. |
Sortin Crendraven
Overlord Corp Sovereign Technologies
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Posted - 2011.10.13 22:35:00 -
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Zeta Zhul wrote:Comy 1 wrote:CCP should add docking fees to NPC stations based on standings, best ISK sink ever. Or add fuel to the game. E.g. you get the listed PG & Cap with no fuel use. Install a power generator mod (new) and put fuel in the cargo hold and you get improved PG & Cap. But it costs you fuel and cargo capacity. Increased fuel cost is an isk sink plus the creation of fuel adds to PI and ice mining. It will also tend to make ships more effective & cost efficient in their home areas as those will be the natural sources and markets for their racial ship fuels. I was very surprised there wasn't any fuel requirement when I started the game. Ships should require fuel in a fuel bay just like a POS, except of course it'd only get used when you're flying. Infinite fuel from nowhere is convenient, though. |
Lithalnas
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.15 02:07:00 -
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apparently CCP is putting out another plex deal to try and deflate the isk value of PLEX by oversupply
classy CCP, classy
QPE 2 anyone? How to build a PC for EVE thread (by Akira T) http://eve-search.com/thread/1559734-0/page/1
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