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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.05.02 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Adhamhnon on 02/05/2005 04:54:40
First off... We (DDC and CLS as well as some as yet to be named) are claiming the two regions that we have been living in and fighting in. Second. I'm pretty sure we didn't 'give' the [5] the other regions... they are laying claim to them, but I believe so is the remaining XF, up to them to fight it out for them. I have never had any access to any Xetic minerals or cash, yet personally, financially, I'm doing just fine. We don't need to steal to succeed.
To Icarus, who put no 'vote' in bold in his post. The leadership of CLS did have a vote as to what OUR future would be. Sorry, but if you ain't in CLS, you don't have a right to vote or decide what WE should do.
And CYVOK... sorry boss, hate to correct you but...
2005.05.01 2200
Victim: thebold
Corporation: MASS
Destroyed Type: Apocalypse
Solar System: J94-MU
System Security Level: 0.0
Didn't make it on that killmail myself... but got on a few others. :)
p.s (the edited part) Props and GF to the Mass/Species etc guys for the fight in j94 this afternoon, was an good battle, I just got out with 90% structure right near the end of it. One of the best battles in awhile.
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Chib
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Posted - 2005.05.02 04:47:00 -
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ok to answer you on some of your statements cyvok from what i know..
 Originally by: cyvok
can't understand why you have to post crap like this to bend others to your will, how far you guys have fallen
an enemy of your enemy is your friend right?
Originally by: cyvok
The the final straw, they talked **** to -V- and told them how they were going to be turned to dust. My respect for you guys died with that wonderful piece of smack.
we asked -V- to stop attacking the Reds stations temporarily not to stop attacking the reds
Originally by: cyvok
2 days later he said they wanted to make some sort or agreement so MASS could go attack RA and PA. Once again they wanted the refinery. nope.
ive heard nothing about us attacking either the reds or phoenix in fact until you guys pulled this little stunt we've been quite friendly with the Reds...are they fighting with you now....? we've no plans as far as im aware of attacking anyone until feythabolis is secured
Originally by: cyvok
*scarsim
And, just incase someone I know was involved. I will complete my apperant journey to the dark side and say, GOOD! It was their own fault for giving someone access, its part of the game right? (theft is BS and I would never do such a thing) /sarcasim
theft is wrong whichever way you look at it and condoning it with or without sarcasm may cause you some problems me thinks
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Xarvos
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Posted - 2005.05.02 04:53:00 -
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gl in your new adventures...
cya in space I quess 
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Let's have some fun shall we ?
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2005.05.02 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Primer Xenius on 02/05/2005 04:56:24
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on to what CLS and DDC has done to the rest of Xetic is damn sad. When our groups left stain for our individual reasons we could of just as well did what you are doing but we decided not too and make our own way.
You on the other hand are playing on the weakness of the remaining Xetic corps screwing them over.
* If CLS left with the their friends, Feyt and impass would of fallen right away. XETIC would not have owned it anyhow. At least the new neighbors will not war XETIC.
* Your entire presence in this thread is purely for your own gain. 3 days ago you couldn't give a rat's ass about XETIC, I doubt you care now. You simply want XETIC to assist you in Feyt.
XETIC needs to regroup, pull their guys out of empire and dig in.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Sickbitch
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Posted - 2005.05.02 04:59:00 -
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no evolution of that species. dumber then a door knob
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sick*****
no evolution of that species. dumber then a door knob
alt post 4tw
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Chib
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Primer Xenius
Edited by: Primer Xenius on 02/05/2005 04:56:24
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on to what CLS and DDC has done to the rest of Xetic is damn sad. When our groups left stain for our individual reasons we could of just as well did what you are doing but we decided not too and make our own way.
You on the other hand are playing on the weakness of the remaining Xetic corps screwing them over.
* If CLS left with the their friends, Feyt and impass would of fallen right away. XETIC would not have owned it anyhow. At least the new neighbors will not war XETIC.
* Your entire presence in this thread is purely for your own gain. 3 days ago you couldn't give a rat's ass about XETIC, I doubt you care now. You simply want XETIC to assist you in Feyt.
XETIC needs to regroup, pull their guys out of empire and dig in.
3 days ago we knew CLS were leaving XF 1 week ago we knew theyre plans to leave ...did you? seems like most of u didnt
our presence in this thread is to purely state that we also lay claim to Feythabolis region, if some XF corps wish to join the fight and benefit from it when the dust settles then great and if they dont then GL to em ...we have no ill feeling toward xetic we just want feyth and we'll fight anyone who stands in our way
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siim
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:05:00 -
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Finally DDC and CLS got brains
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: siim
Finally DDC and CLS got brains
too bad you guys didn't want to stick it out to the end...
although you guys did get a sweat deal and I don't blaim you for what you did
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Icarus Starkiller on 02/05/2005 05:11:26
Originally by: Adhamhnon
To Icarus, who put no 'vote' in bold in his post. The leadership of CLS did have a vote as to what OUR future would be. Sorry, but if you ain't in CLS, you don't have a right to vote or decide what WE should do.
I never stated that it was my vote, nor the vote of any other member of Xetic outside CLS and DDC. But a vote there was, internally, silently, under the cloak and dagger of secrecy.
Had you come out and said: "This is our intention, and we are following through. These are the options we offer those we leave behind..." a day before, even a week before, you would not be getting this bitshfest. You would have had a que of corps lined up behind you quite willingly, rather than raising their fists in frustration at being hung out to dry in territory 'claimed' by forces they haven't a hope in hel of holding back alone.
As I stated before: You have allied yourself with the enemy (by giving them favorable standings and opening your space to their attack fleets), you have acted covertly in this cecession rather than stating your intentions in a timely manner that would allow others to react depending on their member wishes.
That is why I call you betrayors. I agree with your reasons, I share them. I do not agree with your methods.
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And CYVOK... sorry boss, hate to correct you but...
2005.05.01 2200
Victim: thebold
Corporation: MASS
Destroyed Type: Apocalypse
Solar System: J94-MU
System Security Level: 0.0
Thank you for that. I am most overjoyed to see someone take down that stabbed out logger.
PH chasted him down toward JV1V some weeks ago, several scrambler equipped frigs tackled him time after time but he slipped away (apoc) each time. At one point he was trapped in a system with both exits held by 4 and 5 frigs respectively.
So he logged out.
Logged back in later once we had moved on down toward JV1V, ran the gate under a full compliment of WCS, and rekitted at their station.
The sad thing was... there was more than enough warning that he was on his way. He had been scouted three systems out (by me) and followed in. At the gate in JV1 there was a single enemy phoon and cov ops, but no one moved to engage.
(leastwise I seem to recall it was JV1V, but could have been UB5... I was there but briefly, had to log out to attend family business, logged back in to find that I was alone in a hostile system. The 30+ fleet that I had run down to join had either logged or fled. Needless to say, I got out of there.)
edit: grammar, spelling
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TheUnkown
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: TheUnkown on 02/05/2005 05:09:21
Originally by: CYVOK
Originally by: Chib
. What do you thing the other 450 CLS members are dooing while 70 from our combat division are keeping yous fleet at a SS?
LOL BEST LINE EVER
and to falloutboys post on the end of page 6...maybe u should fight us w/o going back to SE space to refit ...regroup and make more bs after we run u out...I dont call that making your own way at all
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Chib
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: icarus starkiller
Thank you for that. I am most overjoyed to see someone take down that stabbed out logger.
I'll agree that you cannot put the bold and tact in the same sentance but we've won more fights than lost under his command....he is a fleet combat genius....he just shouldnt be allowed to talk to strangers
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: FalloutBoy on 02/05/2005 05:15:44
Edited by: FalloutBoy on 02/05/2005 05:14:54
Originally by: TheUnkown
Edited by: TheUnkown on 02/05/2005 05:09:21
Originally by: CYVOK
Originally by: Chib
. What do you thing the other 450 CLS members are dooing while 70 from our combat division are keeping yous fleet at a SS?
LOL BEST LINE EVER
and to falloutboys post on the end of page 6...maybe u should fight us w/o going back to SE space to refit ...regroup and make more bs after we run u out...I dont call that making your own way at all
umm we don't go back to stain we go to our HQ in UB5
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 02/05/2005 05:18:04
Originally by: FalloutBoy
on to what CLS and DDC has done to the rest of Xetic is damn sad. When our groups left stain for our individual reasons we could of just as well did what you are doing but we decided not too and make our own way.
You on the other hand are playing on the weakness of the remaining Xetic corps screwing them over.
The only difference between what all the ex SE corps did and what CLS and DDC did is that xetic was in a war and you were not. You both "screwed over" the people who remained in your alliance. Stain is but a shadow of its former self, much as xetic is now, yet you try to claim the moral highground over these guys? CLS has something like 5-10x your members, and I;m sure the VAST majority of them were quite unhappy. Remember that EVE IS A GAME.
Why would you play a game where you aren't having as much fun as you possibly could? I for one know I'd have more fun being in an alliance with m8s that I know I can count on and would support me in any situation, pvp/assets/isk/whatever, rather than an alliance where I do all the work with no support.
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BlackSabbath
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:19:00 -
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umm we don't go back to stain we go to our HQ in UB5
what do you do the other 6 days out of the week without an hq?
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Hawk Firestorm
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Hawk Firestorm on 02/05/2005 05:56:49
Edited by: Hawk Firestorm on 02/05/2005 05:21:56
Originally by: Takrolimus
Im struggling to find any of the flamers from this thread in any [5] Lossmails....
Bingo.
And frankly ya won't sadly.
Ya always see the same faces doin the work, now all those same faces decided enough was enough and it's time for something new, for those that actually support the regions.
My personal view, but accurate I think.
Perhaps it could of been handled better, perhaps. Funds etc goin missin, plus all the other clandestine mumblings from those that simple don't know any better, hogwash.
That we 'backstabed' Xif, well I say all those that sat with a finger up their butt, wizzing past defence fleets in haulers and not helping out when ever the call came, while we went out in our biggest and best, placing all our personal isk, ships and everything we have on the line (billions in alotta cases), or sat empire huggin you let your side down badly, and most definately not any of these guys.
None wish Xif ill will, most are kinda sad bout it actually especially the older members, myself included. But well it had to happen I guess, things had to change and I have the greatest respect for em, (they damn well earned it). And will give them my full support in what they are trying to do.
As for shinra etc, well we might have had our differences, but well those (that actually fought em), they fought for what they believe and ya gotta respect em for that.
But anyways good luck Xif.
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FireFox McProwler
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:20:00 -
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After been down in Impass and Feythaolis you get a good idea of how rough it was. You can point finger on how the events started that lead to the 5 coming down to fight Xetic and Species/MASS fighting in the south front.
What I find amusing id that DDC and CLS earned there respect with the 5 as we where the only ones putting up a fight. I would guess since they saw we where the ones putting the most visible effort into defending the area that hey would agree to something like this.
Ask any of the corps around the Impass area who supported the people defending the area. You wont get any cheery replies on that question from anyone down in Impass Feyl. I can say that STK-S offered discounts on fittings and ships to DDC as I personally bought 2 Harpys from them at 11 mil.
When I was told what was going on I couldnĘt help but cheer that things are getting better. I was enjoying the constant fighting but it was starting to drag on into a long bloody war with us being out numbered most of the time. Even with being outnumbered we fill fought against them and losses where being felt on both sides. Butą.
People are going to complain and whine all they want about what we are doing. Honistly if you want to do something about then stop talking and acting. IĘm sure they would come right after us but they have other things to worry about.
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: FireFox McProwler
When I was told what was going on I couldnĘt help but cheer that things are getting better. I was enjoying the constant fighting but it was starting to drag on into a long bloody war with us being out numbered most of the time. Even with being outnumbered we fill fought against them and losses where being felt on both sides. Butą.
ok first if you see this as an end to hostilites you sadly mistaken, we plant to fight till the end.
Secondly I have never seen an Xetic fleet fight while being outnumberd or hell even on even terms. only time we'll get a fight is if you outnumber us 2-1 at best. And even then we stick it out to see what happens.
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Chib
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: FalloutBoy
on to what CLS and DDC has done to the rest of Xetic is damn sad. When our groups left stain for our individual reasons we could of just as well did what you are doing but we decided not too and make our own way.
You on the other hand are playing on the weakness of the remaining Xetic corps screwing them over.
The only difference between what all the ex SE corps did and what CLS and DDC did is that xetic was in a war and you were not. You both "screwed over" the people who remained in your alliance. Stain is but a shadow of its former self, much as xetic is now, yet you try to claim the moral highground over these guys? CLS has something like 5-10x your members, and I;m sure the VAST majority of them were quite unhappy. Remember that [b]EVE IS A GAME[b/]. Why would you play a game where you aren't having as much fun as you possibly could? I for one know I'd have more fun being in an alliance with m8s that I know I can count on and would support me in any situation, pvp/assets/isk/whatever, rather than an alliance where I do all the work with no support.
the mass exodus from stain is similar to this but not the same from one perspective alone ..stain while although a shadow of its former self is still capable of defending itself and we did not turn round to them and say " right were leaving we'll have catch, -V- can have Curse and stain can be to quote "contested"
we still kill stains enemys as our own ....and also we do not go back to stain space to refit and regroup ..stain have asked us to keep the conflict our of their space and we have only used it for the few of us needing to travel every now and again, alot of us are travelling through impass in hope of encountering some XF .....the only time you guys fight us is if u heavily outnumber and outgun us....earlier today before we lost that engagement myself bold and prad were 3 against 28 and we still attempted to kill CLS fleet in ub5 ........i challenge you to do the same next time the ratio is reversed
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Nev Amati
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:31:00 -
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Xetic alliance chat has been ridiculous lately. The general theme has been "someone else will do the PvP work." Which translates to:
If I become involved in PvP, I have no one to blame but myself, so I will continue mining and dropping off ammunition in Agil for the war effort. Also, PvPers are mean, including Xetic PvPers. They will yell at me if I mess up, so, I will mine, as asteroids cannot yell at me.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:32:00 -
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The sad truth of the matter is that the flames you see here by XF members are no different than the ones CLS got from them while in the alliance. Frankly, not a whole lot has changed. XF still don't respect us and take every opportunity to trash talk us that they can get. The fact that our enemies have more respect for our work and abilities says even more about how XF behaves.
CLS and DDC did the best thing they could to benefit their corps. The sooner other XF members realize what's going on, the sooner they can fix their alliance and make it what it could have been. Unfortunately, all the whining, flaming, and *****ing probably won't stop and it'll only get worse for XF. Now that CLS and DDC are gone, I wonder who the alliance will blame when they can't mine. I pity whatever corp gets that dubious honor.
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:33:00 -
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Best of luck to ASCN in their future endeavors and conflicts. I hope you find the one vs MASS and co enjoyable, since that's what makes the game fun, ne?
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Leosian
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jodax
Originally by: Masoj
Originally by: Hoozin
I picked an interesting day to change my corp ticker.
Best of luck CLS/DDC. May the Ascendant Frontier live long after other alliances have risen and fallen.
You made me sad, GL with MC 
He'll be back...
Sorry Jodax...he's ours now.
Good Luck to DDC and CLS.
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Nev Amati
Xetic alliance chat has been ridiculous lately. The general theme has been "someone else will do the PvP work." Which translates to:
If I become involved in PvP, I have no one to blame but myself, so I will continue mining and dropping off ammunition in Agil for the war effort. Also, PvPers are mean, including Xetic PvPers. They will yell at me if I mess up, so, I will mine, as asteroids cannot yell at me.
fleet pvp isn't that hard...target who your told to...align for where your told too...do what your told...the hard stuff is all left up to the fleet comander
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:38:00 -
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Now for my reply to all the crap in this thread.
XF: I cannot believe you people are whining about getting a fight. Even if it was CLS that did all this crap to start the fight with us, who cares? You should have been GIDDY about getting a fight, against some worthy adversaries. With your position that having to fight for you space is something that should not EVER happen, GOD FORBID WE HAVE TO DEFEND OUR SPACE!
Cmon people, if you live in 0.0, in an alliance, what else are you in it for than for the prospect of pvp and conquering? Mining? making fake money? These are trivial compared to the prospect of FUN there is in 0.0 with pvp.
I hope you guys think about this and change your mind on pvp.
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
The sad truth of the matter is that the flames you see here by XF members are no different than the ones CLS got from them while in the alliance. Frankly, not a whole lot has changed. XF still don't respect us and take every opportunity to trash talk us that they can get. The fact that our enemies have more respect for our work and abilities says even more about how XF behaves.
I'm sure the 5ive have no respect for you they got a sweat deal and they took it...and i'm sure they have more targets in mind after this.
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FireFox McProwler
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: FalloutBoy
Originally by: FireFox McProwler
When I was told what was going on I couldnĘt help but cheer that things are getting better. I was enjoying the constant fighting but it was starting to drag on into a long bloody war with us being out numbered most of the time. Even with being outnumbered we fill fought against them and losses where being felt on both sides. Butą.
ok first if you see this as an end to hostilites you sadly mistaken, we plant to fight till the end.
Secondly I have never seen an Xetic fleet fight while being outnumberd or hell even on even terms. only time we'll get a fight is if you outnumber us 2-1 at best. And even then we stick it out to see what happens.
Well... if the 5 where keeping impass locked down witha 25 bs fleet and Species/MASS Keeping Feyl locked down. That cuts us in half. The few times that we for a fleet down to Feyl is when the 5 where not bothering us.
Thats why your getting outnumbered.
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Pradege D'Hallur
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:46:00 -
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Well i missed the fight last night but oh well had to sleep. As far as us being "cooked" dont believe that for a second. I came on originally to congradulate you guys on your new move and venture, but it seems the smack is endless on the forums. I am not a fan of smack talk and have had some good chats with you guys in local. We know we are outnumbered but we are never outgunned and we are going to fight til the end whatever it will be. The truth of all the events were we knew most of what was going down not the particulars but enough to know what was happening in the xetic command structure. But you ran from one group only to say you can handle another. Well i guess we will see i have been in feythabolis for over a month and you all finally got one positive fleet enagagemnt with what was considered a hughly outnumbering force, but thebold went to fight anyway (mad props) sad thing is i missed it. The point is we are here dont plan on leaving anytime soon and more are coming. Good, bad, or otherwise we will fight. Oh yeah good luck and all with you new alliance.
When we die God's job is to judge us..........My job is to arrange that meeting
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Chib
earlier today before we lost that engagement myself bold and prad were 3 against 28 and we still attempted to kill CLS fleet in ub5 ........i challenge you to do the same next time the ratio is reversed
I will toss some respect your way for that, granted it was warp in at 111K snip while alining to gate and warp out as soon as your targeted, but still, you did do it.
And I may be wrong but the final battle took place numbers were about even, we may have had a couple more but it was a rather fair fight.
I also have to contest that we have never tried the same thing. Their was a battle where 16 of you were attacking the station and crohnx had our gang of about 8 warping in and sniping 1 and the warping back out. Not quite 3 vs 28 but still happened.
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Batar Fireheart
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Posted - 2005.05.02 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Coasterbrian
To XF members: Some of you I have the utmost respect for, and am very sorry to leave behind. The others I am happy to do without, especially those who sell stuff on market in 0.0 for unbelieveably inflated prices, and those who refuse to contribute to the war effort. Oh, ad don't forget the people who smacktalk their own alliance mates who are out defending their asses.
To the enemies of Ascendant Frontier: Make sure your insurance is up to date, and put some tech II gear on. 
My thoughts exactly
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