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CYVOK	Posted - 2005.05.01 23:52:00 - [1] Edited by: CYVOK on 02/05/2005 01:11:06 Official Statement from The Ascendant Frontier By now many have speculated on the events of the last few days. We will now dispel the rumors with facts. DDC & CLS while chatting with (the 5) came to an agreement based on mutual respect between our organizations. There was no surrender. A coin flip decided that CYVOK will assume the position of Executor of our new organization. Ascendant Frontier will reset all standings. We claim the Regions of Impass & Feythabolois. The remaining 3 Regions are currently recognized as Xetic/Contested space. Ascendant Frontier will not interfere in the affairs of XF, SE, The5, or any other organizations that do not wish us to. Ascendant Frontier and The5 have agreed on free travel, docking & Travel rights in all space officially claimed by our organizations. Ascendant Frontier is an organization dedicated to the formation of a strong & well respected 0.0 Organization. Ascendant Frontier Space WILL NOT be a safe haven for anyone, other organizations may travel into our space but we will not guarantee your safety or ability to dock at our stations. Corp wishing to join our alliance may apply, you may or may not be accepted. Your past commitment to the defense of your space and team oriented attitude will weigh VERY HEAVILY on the decision. Also former XF members wishing to join CLS or DDC on a member level may apply also. Ascendant Frontier IS NOT Xetic, we will not operate like XF, we will not look like XF, we will not act like XF. This is a very stripped down no BS organization. If your not going to be happy with how we operate or the decisions of your leadership you are welcome to leave. However if you interested in working as a tight, effective team for the good of the Organization please join us in our dream. Ascendant Frontier wishes to maintain current good/neutral relationships with SE. Our stated enemies at this time is MASS, Species 5618 & any one supporting or allying themselves with that group. We are willing to chat about a mutual agreement to end this conflict if those involved are interested. ThatÆs the meat of potatoes of it, now for some personal comments. This decision was not come to lightly. DDC and CLS have always fought and died for the alliance we called our home. However internal disagreements and an overly political decision making process simply pushed the gamming experience into a poor state for our members and our leadership. XF has some amazing players, it is unfortunate that we had to come to this decision. We wish our friends in XF all the luck in their future. My personal comments to XF members will be made on the internal XF forums. Ascendant Frontier is now in charge of our own future, we may fail or we may realize our deepest dreams but at least our future now lies in our own hands. Any organizations wishing to establish a relationship with us may do so at their convince, however please realize that we are not going to be operating as a politically organized group. Our group will be built on team work with a strong central leadership. The Celestial Horizon Forums are being converted to handle the Communications needs of the Alliance. Ascendant Frontier looks forward to earning the respect of the EvE community as we embark on our new journey into the deep unknown. Take Care all - Ascendant Frontier-
Tamara Long	Posted - 2005.05.01 23:54:00 - [2] Yeah!!!! first
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.05.01 23:57:00 - [3] Edited by: FalloutBoy on 01/05/2005 23:59:10 well considering you don't even control the region you claim all I got to say is LOL
Canine Fiend	Posted - 2005.05.01 23:58:00 - [4] \o/, waves of change... ---------------------------------------------- Proud Member of Celestial Horizon Corp.
Torvus Jay	Posted - 2005.05.01 23:58:00 - [5] Quote: We will not dispel the rumors with facts. Then what will you dispel them with! ______________ Aim careful, and look the devil in the eye.
h4xman	Posted - 2005.05.01 23:59:00 - [6] Good luck
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.05.01 23:59:00 - [7] Go us. w00t and stuff. -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
Zerodragoon	Posted - 2005.05.01 23:59:00 - [8] Originally by: FalloutBoy wel considering you don't even control the region you claim all I got to say is LOL Smack ftw. -------
Aiyeeta Beaver	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:00:00 - [9] CYVOK, I would happily lay down my life in this cloned body for you anytime you ask of it, I will follow you to the ends of this galaxy and fight, every step of the way. \o/ --------------------------------------------------- If you can't say something nice, then let your weapons do the talking...
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:00:00 - [10] Originally by: FalloutBoy Edited by: FalloutBoy on 01/05/2005 23:59:10 well considering you don't even control the region you claim all I got to say is LOL Dude, take the smack somewhere else. This is an FYI thread, flames are not welcome.
Foyle	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:01:00 - [11] Good luck to you with your new endeavors. Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
Miner Abuse	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:01:00 - [12] Good luck. Trust could be an issue though.
Selthae	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:03:00 - [13] May fun be had by all. Buckle up
Xendie	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:03:00 - [14] the 2 best in XF form up and dump the dead weight. GL to you guys in the future
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:04:00 - [15] basicly, they start a war, then they leave their alliances m8s and take over their home regions shrugs Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Auen LaRoe	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:05:00 - [16] Edited by: Auen LaRoe on 02/05/2005 00:07:11 "Companions, the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators, the creator seeks -- those who write new values on new tablets. Companions, the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. ... Fellow creators, Zarathustra seeks, fellow harvesters and fellow celebrants: what are herds and shepherds and corpses to him?" Good luck DDC and CLS. -Member- -Confederation of Red Moon-
MuthaTrucka	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:05:00 - [17] FOYLE \0/ YAY! --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. --------------- [ Internally Yours foyle, MT ]
Skyler Knyte	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:05:00 - [18] hrm, sounds intresting... nice name, too.
DeathGrip	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:06:00 - [19] DDC ROCKS and yea i guess CLS ROCKS to. [i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even
Rexy	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:06:00 - [20] you forgot the balloons, you forgot the balloons!!!! /me faints All i want for cristmas is a typhoon with launcher rof bonus :)
Random	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:07:00 - [21] /Smack on Good move Cyvok, and trust me its much beter this way, all u have to do now is starting to shoot sum XF members and maby just maby we will let u in to Faythabolis. /Smack Off Anyways gl with ur new project, and trust me when i say, its heven to get off the alliance mail box and chanel.
Cmdr Patrick	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:08:00 - [22] Alot of other xetic may be slightly late posting, there was a knife stuck in there back.
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:08:00 - [23] I got 4 words: Traitors, backstabbers, disloyal *******
Kaleeb	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:10:00 - [24] Good luck guys, enjoy the freedom of no politics
Zaintiraris	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:10:00 - [25] I wish you the very best of luck. If I believe anyone is up to the challenges, it is those two corporations. --- Originally by: CCP Hammer This game was so much better back before people knew math.
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood I got 4 words: Traitors, backstabbers, disloyal ******* Gee... I wonder why we wanted to leave...
Leno	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:11:00 - [27] interesting.... very interesting... --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Eli Whitney	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:12:00 - [28] Wasn't it CLS who started this whole XF - Five war? Running away from a war you started and leaving to die the people who followed you to war is nothing short of pathetic.
Foyle	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:14:00 - [29] Originally by: MuthaTrucka FOYLE \0/ YAY! Now my night is complete. waves to my love Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
BlackPlague	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:15:00 - [30] Excellent! Good Job CLS and DDC! My Siggie Scares Seleene... Boo!
Cmdr Patrick	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:15:00 - [31] yep, good captains go down with there ships.
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:15:00 - [32] To XF members: Some of you I have the utmost respect for, and am very sorry to leave behind. The others I am happy to do without, especially those who sell stuff on market in 0.0 for unbelieveably inflated prices, and those who refuse to contribute to the war effort. Oh, ad don't forget the people who smacktalk their own alliance mates who are out defending their asses. To the enemies of Ascendant Frontier: Make sure your insurance is up to date, and put some tech II gear on.
DeathGrip	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:18:00 - [33] Lets think about this, CLS and DDC PVP non stop for Xetic, then when we ask for support in 0.0 pvp and economic we get told now we are miners. I go on market in 0.0 and other Xetic members selling us stuff at way overpriced prices. A dominix for 110mil from one of our own Xetic members. I was tired of fighting for Xetic who wont' fight for itself. I will miss some of you, but over all a lot of you now need to fight or die. GL 2 U. [i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even
Xivox	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:21:00 - [34] Please forgive some of the spelling mistakes in that official statement :) We love our CEO even though he can't spell at all. You've got our support boss. Looking forward to flying with DDC under one flag and finally fighting for corps, members, and values worth defending. No disrespect intended to our previous alliance. Best of luck to you. Honor and Serve.
Moominer	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:23:00 - [35] Edited by: Moominer on 02/05/2005 00:27:44 Edited by: Moominer on 02/05/2005 00:27:09 Originally by: Adhamhnon Originally by: Lunas Feelgood I got 4 words: Traitors, backstabbers, disloyal ***** Gee... I wonder why we wanted to leave... I dont think any XF have said a bad word against CLS or DDC, infact so you have had the vast majority of XF's upmost respect as one of the few strong and decent corps in XF. However the circumstances prior to and around this departure: The SCA The attack on The5 by your corp The ensuing of hostilities with The5 The encouragement to get E-R, Black Reign et al up to empire Pro-XF propoganda your leader posted on the XF forum just thismorning Dissapearance of billons of ISK worth of XF minerals ...it is quite easy to understand how remaining XF are feeling "set up" and left to clean up what many see as your mess, it is clear there are others in the EvE community who can also draw these conclusions - right or wrong**, this is the impression your actions give. The once mostly-stable south is now a much more hostile place. Good Luck with AF.
Perpello	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:23:00 - [36] /me wonders if CYVOK had to use the spell checker for the new alliance name Best wishes to [ASCN].
Sirius A	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:23:00 - [37] woot Success doesn't come to you...you go to it
Shai Faetal	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:24:00 - [38] pathetic lol, i gues when xf actually dispaears all of the south will have peace finally, gettign rid of the ebil mining alliance once and for all. . u make me sick cyvok, and i cant believe cordy and ddc backstabbing us like that, robbign all of the holdings isk and stuff, the same ppl that not only 3 days ago told us to stick roudn posting crap messages like "THE WAR IS GOIN WELL" well screw you. ksuidruid thanks for telling us to abandon immensea so that shinra could settle in without any resustance. days liek this makes me sad to be partof any of this bullcrap. i hope ur new ascendant frontier acends up ur collective asses. - (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Sparta	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:28:00 - [39] Freedom is not free it comes at a price. Some are willing to pay the price others should go to empire.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:31:00 - [40] ffs even more blue now
Everay2	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:33:00 - [41] Edited by: Everay2 on 02/05/2005 00:33:35 Originally by: DrunkenOne ffs even more blue now join Xetic, think of all the Red we have now Oops, with my alt, i post.
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:35:00 - [42] Originally by: DrunkenOne ffs even more blue now LOL!
TheKiller8	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:35:00 - [43] I could whine about the implications of these events but seeing as we just destroyed a dozen hostile BS in a CLS/DDC/XT combined gang I wish them nothing but luck. I just hope we'll be able to keep fighting alongside you guys because I fear the new 'our friends are our enemies friends' situation will lead to.. complications
Azguel	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:36:00 - [44] some xetic actually believe that we cleaned out the minerals from the holding corp! what BS, no cls member even had an alt in the Xetic holding corp that has that kind of access. so please, come with proof before accusations.
Jodax	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Sparta Freedom is not free it comes at a price. Some are willing to pay the price others should go to empire. Very true.
Shai Faetal	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:36:00 - [46] Originally by: DrunkenOne ffs even more blue now HAHA PWNED!!!!!1!!111111 s said by olyyy once, u just got OMGWTFNAPPED - (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Omniwar	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood I got 4 words: Traitors, backstabbers, disloyal ***** someone just realised that XF is dead, now when DDC and CLS is gone.. Spawn of the Devil**
Takrolimus	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:39:00 - [48] Im struggling to find any of the flamers from this thread in any [5] Lossmails....
Shai Faetal	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Azguel some xetic actually believe that we cleaned out the minerals from the holding corp! what BS, no cls member even had an alt in the Xetic holding corp that has that kind of access. so please, come with proof before accusations. cyvok is/was xf v.pres. cordy was pres and has alts in holding. last i heard on TS confirmed that all the stations in impass/feyth where cleaned out by someone. - (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Moominer	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:43:00 - [50] Edited by: Moominer on 02/05/2005 00:46:22 Edited by: Moominer on 02/05/2005 00:44:52 Originally by: Azguel some xetic actually believe that we cleaned out the minerals from the holding corp! what BS, no cls member even had an alt in the Xetic holding corp that has that kind of access. so please, come with proof before accusations. Nobody stated "CLS stole the holding corp minerals". They are missing at the time of DDC and CLS departed, maybe if you had been more open and transparent people wouldnt jump to the wrong conclusions. GL with AF Quote: Im struggling to find any of the flamers from this thread in any [5] Lossmails.... I am in some MASS et al and devil kill mails, if that counts. /cry :P
Rexy	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:44:00 - [51] Edited by: Rexy on 02/05/2005 00:44:34 my tree informed me that the tree at the neighbour side's sucking the life out of it's neighbour tree time for chopchop more baloooooons All i want for cristmas is a typhoon with launcher rof bonus :)
Hoozin	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:48:00 - [52] I picked an interesting day to change my corp ticker. Best of luck CLS/DDC. May the Ascendant Frontier live long after other alliances have risen and fallen. --------------------------------- The forums are so much smoother if you just don't read any posts by [UDIE]. More specifically Shin Ra's.
Masoj	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Hoozin I picked an interesting day to change my corp ticker. Best of luck CLS/DDC. May the Ascendant Frontier live long after other alliances have risen and fallen. You made me sad, GL with MC
Jodax	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:54:00 - [54] Originally by: Masoj Originally by: Hoozin I picked an interesting day to change my corp ticker. Best of luck CLS/DDC. May the Ascendant Frontier live long after other alliances have risen and fallen. You made me sad, GL with MC He'll be back...
Luther Devos	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:56:00 - [55] Originally by: CYVOK DDC & CLS while chatting with (the 5) came to an agreement based on mutual respect between our organizations. There was no surrender. So you saying that if the 5 never made a war against you this would have happened anyway yeah right i think you surrendered but trying to save face -_-
Eli Whitney	Posted - 2005.05.02 00:59:00 - [56] Originally by: Shai Faetal i hope ur new ascendant frontier acends up ur collective asses. Funniest sentence I've read today.
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:01:00 - [57] Originally by: Luther Devos Originally by: CYVOK DDC & CLS while chatting with (the 5) came to an agreement based on mutual respect between our organizations. There was no surrender. So you saying that if the 5 never made a war against you this would have happened anyway yeah right i think you surrendered but trying to save face Originally by: Jodax You think too much.
danneh	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:04:00 - [58] Best of luck CLS/DDC it was fun fighting with you.
MuthaTrucka	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:04:00 - [59] Edited by: MuthaTrucka on 02/05/2005 01:04:33 Alts :( It's sad alts are the reson REspect is so lacking towards certain groups of people. Can't we all Hold hands and sing Kumbayah in empire? Oh Wait that didn't work before probably won't work this time Imma go put training wheels on my Apoc now --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. --------------- [ Internally Yours foyle, MT ]
arjun	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:06:00 - [60] first stain with its tail between its legs, backing atuk before xf and now this backstabbing. i feel with you xetic pilots. you now and later stain pay the price for consorting with evil.
Lordan Stormstalker	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:10:00 - [61] Originally by: arjun first stain with its tail between its legs, backing atuk before xf and now this backstabbing. i feel with you xetic pilots. you now and later stain pay the price for consorting with evil. Is it just me, or so many of these people sound like religious fanatics sometimes? ________________
Neoscar	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:13:00 - [62] Gee, I feel so warm and fuzzy inside... It feels like all of the old dirt and grime in my ships just vanished... It feels like I'm finally getting down to business... Oh. We gave up on xetic. That's why. I wondered how long they would think before they realized we wern't just making threats when we told them to stop screwing up station defense.
Budz Fergie	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:15:00 - [63] When the knife is returned into your back don't complain! [14:23:44] Seek > lol good tank [14:24:09] Budz Fergie > ty [14:24:14] Seek > :)
MuthaTrucka	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:16:00 - [64] I like knives --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. --------------- [ Internally Yours foyle, MT ]
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:20:00 - [65] Edited by: Grimpak on 02/05/2005 01:19:41 Originally by: MuthaTrucka I like knives yeah... I sleep with one under my pillow aswell ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Budz Fergie When the knife is returned into your back don't complain! Yeah, about that knife....... Has anyone twisted the one in your back yet? If not, come over here.......
Hoozin	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:27:00 - [67] Originally by: Coasterbrian Originally by: Budz Fergie When the knife is returned into your back don't complain! Yeah, about that knife....... Has anyone twisted the one in your back yet? If not, come over here....... Awe Coaster, more love man, more love. --------------------------------- The forums are so much smoother if you just don't read any posts by [UDIE]. More specifically Shin Ra's.
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:28:00 - [68] Bold move, good luck! Man, I remember the tons of times CLS Fleet was so angry at XETIC that I shouted "OMG LOSE THOSE #@*$#@" and CYVOK would say: let's give them another chance etc.. You finally did it, bold move! Let's see how this story ends... :) ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:28:00 - [69] Originally by: Hoozin I picked an interesting day to change my corp ticker. Best of luck CLS/DDC. May the Ascendant Frontier live long after other alliances have risen and fallen. OMG! You're a guppy with a waterpistol now! :-p ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
Minerva IV	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:36:00 - [70] Edited by: Minerva IV on 02/05/2005 01:36:57 Originally by: Jodax Originally by: Masoj Originally by: Hoozin I picked an interesting day to change my corp ticker. Best of luck CLS/DDC. May the Ascendant Frontier live long after other alliances have risen and fallen. You made me sad, GL with MC He'll be back... No hes ours now Seriousaly though about time GL to you guys you were by far the cream of that alliance hope the new alliance provides you with what you want! Edit: Why is it the smilies have to have these daft boxes around them!
Xivox	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:47:00 - [71] Edited by: Xivox on 02/05/2005 01:47:37 There are XF members posting their opinion here in a very polite manner - I can respect that. Sad thing is we're also getting more respect from our enemies than certain XF members. And that's nothing new, it was exactly the same when CLS was in XF - that's probably one reason we left. Oh and why do you feel like you're being stabbed in the back? We're sick and tired of the attitude that XF has and the disrespect it shows its members. We're moving on and trying to realize our own goals and dreams, call it a game and deal with it. If you're desperate to get DDC and CLS back you're sure going about it the wrong way. Being rude and making false accusations isn't going to get you anywhere - it will only strengthen the already bad image that others have of XF. ... LOL @ Coaster ;) Well put. And Hoozin, enjoy your time in Frick. Looking forward to flying with (or against) you.
Harmbo	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:49:00 - [72] A proud member of CLS since the collapse of E&B. I couldn't possibly be happier with the current turn of events. \o/ for us!
FoxHunt	Posted - 2005.05.02 01:53:00 - [73] You started something you couldn't finished, told everyone one thing while doing something completely different behind the scenes. You may be trimming the fat, but at the same time you've stabbed in the back the smaller corps that were laying down everything to fight with far less finances and far less experience. You're command structure was crap, you're supply lines were crap, and rather than admit your mistake you decided to roll over for your enemies and serve up your lame duck alliance as a peace offering. Since you've ran one alliance into the ground, I imagine it won't be long before you'll do it again. "If laughter truly is the best medicine, then the story you told me just cleared up my Hepatitis."
Sleyha	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:06:00 - [74] Edited by: Sleyha on 02/05/2005 02:08:18 VTIL supports The Ascendant Frontier Alliance
Weebear	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:08:00 - [75] \o/ [ASCN] \o/ It's been a hectic 24 hours, that seems to have brought out the worst in a lot of people, but still, good luck to XF ----------------------- Honor and Serve!
thelung187	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:14:00 - [76] Originally by: Cmdr Patrick Alot of other xetic may be slightly late posting, there was a knife stuck in there back. Weird, you're supposedly Xetic, you fight for Xetic, yet you're not in the IGA, and, oh wait: The war between Euphoria Released and Arcane Technologies is coming to an end. Euphoria Released has retracted the war against Arcane Technologies. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. So, stfu. [ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something
Xendie	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:14:00 - [77] haha i just love your sig peewee, it really suits you :)
Genicus	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:17:00 - [78] A new day has dawned.
DeathGrip	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:19:00 - [79] Xetic - Some friendly advice. Get your butts in 0.0 and claim what is yours. You never did it before thats why we are gone. Now you will lose it / have lost it. I told you guys every day in alliance chat get into 0.0. I was told no we are busy in empire, i dont' want to pvp, I dont have the isk to pvp. What ever the case, well now you have no choice if you want to be in 0.0 because teh few corps that kept it safe as possible have left. [i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even
DeathGrip	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:20:00 - [80] Originally by: FoxHunt You started something you couldn't finished, told everyone one thing while doing something completely different behind the scenes. You may be trimming the fat, but at the same time you've stabbed in the back the smaller corps that were laying down everything to fight with far less finances and far less experience. You're command structure was crap, you're supply lines were crap, and rather than admit your mistake you decided to roll over for your enemies and serve up your lame duck alliance as a peace offering. Since you've ran one alliance into the ground, I imagine it won't be long before you'll do it again. If we did such a poor job with keeping trade lines secure and everything else then you dont' need us anyway., so how did we wreck the Xetic Alliance. If we where such crap then why is it we are in 0.0 and you are not. [i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even
Zoidberg ENB	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:20:00 - [81] What he said. I've been a member since E&B's collapse (13 months), love the corp, and am really glad over this. Originally by: Harmbo A proud member of CLS since the collapse of E&B. I couldn't possibly be happier with the current turn of events. \o/ for us! Why walk when you can skip?
anister	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:25:00 - [82] So, ascendency claim Impass & Feythabolois, there are more of us 5 corps in Immensea then there are xetic in the entire of 0.0 ohhhhhh dear.... ___
Paddy Murphy	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:25:00 - [83] This has been a long time in coming. I could rant, but alts seem to have so much more experience at it than I do, so I won't. CYVOK, I will follow you to my death, repeatedly if necessary. ***
Uggs386	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:26:00 - [84] Edited by: Uggs386 on 02/05/2005 02:40:57 Originally by: thelung187 Originally by: Cmdr Patrick Alot of other xetic may be slightly late posting, there was a knife stuck in there back. Weird, you're supposedly Xetic, you fight for Xetic, yet you're not in the IGA, and, oh wait: The war between Euphoria Released and Arcane Technologies is coming to an end. Euphoria Released has retracted the war against Arcane Technologies. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. So, stfu. Once again lung maybe oyu should think for a minute or 2 before you talk. With the recent departure of the high command within xf, e-r,tmpl,and maza have no reasons to remain at war with you. It is not because of fear or anything else. I used to be in e-r when it was much smaller and we attacked much larger foe's than atuk. They may be done with atuk but they are far from done fighting. And e-r was only part of xf for about 1 week, since then they have been working on their own but they wanted to help out their old friends, and have fun with lots of targets.
Caytlyn Rose	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:35:00 - [85] Edited by: Caytlyn Rose on 02/05/2005 02:36:23 K - my first eve-o post ever and it's this. CYVOK, I'm behind you all the way. Xetic, GL, hope everything works out for you. Interesting times ahead :)
Arimas Talasko	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:40:00 - [86] Originally by: Zoidberg ENB What he said. I've been a member since E&B's collapse (13 months), love the corp, and am really glad over this. Originally by: Harmbo A proud member of CLS since the collapse of E&B. I couldn't possibly be happier with the current turn of events. \o/ for us! \o/ for EnB vets! Supremacy Keepin it Real
Riddari	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:47:00 - [87] 0.0 means no passengers ¼©¼ a history
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:49:00 - [88] My views, from the CECA perspective. CLS fought for Xetic against us and were very good. We enjoyed it muchly. They defended us as our own "allies" tried to say we did nothing. I return the favor. CLS has fought and fought for Xetic long and hard for several months now. I have seen them daily working hard to support the Xetic Alliance. It is now Xetic's choice, by their actions, on whether they keep them in good standings or continue to strain the relationship with both them and DDC. I wish you luck and still consider CLS friends to my corp. DDC, we have fought a few times and the guns have laid silent for a while now. I still hold Cordy in respect from the one time we spoke. I wish all luck in their dreams of a new start. Xetic, you are not gone. It would be wise to look inside and let the best of you come forth instead of the worse of you show up here. Let me stress once more, this is not a Stain Position it is a CECA position spoken by the Director of Communications. Director of Communications 2nd in Command of Foreign Affairs
Riddari	Posted - 2005.05.02 02:51:00 - [89] Originally by: Khaerie Xetic, you are not gone. It would be wise to look inside and let the best of you come forth instead of the worse of you show up here. Awesome sentence. Make it so XETIC. ¼©¼ a history
Icarus Starkiller	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:01:00 - [90] CLS members fired the shots that started this war. Throughout the engagement they continually called fighting forces out of the outlying regions to defend 'their' territories. As it seems that the members trying to hold out in those systems would not come kiss their right proper cheeky buttocks they decide to play the trump card that, with some hindsight, seems to have been held in hand knowingly rather than a late session decision. The actions taken by CLS and DDC are reprehensible in the middle of an active war situation. They would have been considered dishonourable even in a time of relative peace, but in war it is not dishonour, it is traitorous. Xetic blows, PvP corps are left hanging and trying to foot the bill for the war while industrials and Empire huggers grow fat selling to desperate defenders. I can fully understand the frustration of these two corps, but I do not respect their choice. You acted selfishly, Cyvok, operating hand in hand with those who oppress your 'allies'. For the other leadership elements of Xetic to follow suit without once informing the alliance of your grievances only compounds the dishonour. Do not expect the support of those you have left behind. You have joined the ranks of the griefers and murderers who enjoy nothing more than mayhem and destruction, and only the deeds of your future interractions will determine the degree of response offered.
Riddari	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:05:00 - [91] On the contraire Icarus. We are still on our way to build, without dead weight this time. ¼©¼ a history
Hoozin	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:08:00 - [92] Originally by: Icarus Starkiller CLS members fired the shots that started this war. Throughout the engagement they continually called fighting forces out of the outlying regions to defend 'their' territories. As it seems that the members trying to hold out in those systems would not come kiss their right proper cheeky buttocks they decide to play the trump card that, with some hindsight, seems to have been held in hand knowingly rather than a late session decision. The actions taken by CLS and DDC are reprehensible in the middle of an active war situation. They would have been considered dishonourable even in a time of relative peace, but in war it is not dishonour, it is traitorous. Xetic blows, PvP corps are left hanging and trying to foot the bill for the war while industrials and Empire huggers grow fat selling to desperate defenders. I can fully understand the frustration of these two corps, but I do not respect their choice. You acted selfishly, Cyvok, operating hand in hand with those who oppress your 'allies'. For the other leadership elements of Xetic to follow suit without once informing the alliance of your grievances only compounds the dishonour. Do not expect the support of those you have left behind. You have joined the ranks of the griefers and murderers who enjoy nothing more than mayhem and destruction, and only the deeds of your future interractions will determine the degree of response offered. While I disagree, I have to say that this is probably one of the most well written posts that I've seen yet. --------------------------------- The forums are so much smoother if you just don't read any posts by [UDIE]. More specifically Shin Ra's.
MuthaTrucka	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:10:00 - [93] Originally by: Icarus Starkiller CLS members fired the shots that started this war. Throughout the engagement they continually called fighting forces out of the outlying regions to defend 'their' territories. Nope CLS never went and helped outside of Feythabolis. Quote: As it seems that the members trying to hold out in those systems would not come kiss their right proper cheeky buttocks they decide to play the trump card that, with some hindsight, seems to have been held in hand knowingly rather than a late session decision. Um No the people in those systems sat in a station complaining they couldn't Mine Quote: The actions taken by CLS and DDC are reprehensible in the middle of an active war situation. They would have been considered dishonourable even in a time of relative peace, but in war it is not dishonour, it is traitorous. Ok you think that, thats cool everyone is entitled to an opinion. Quote: Xetic blows, PvP corps are left hanging and trying to foot the bill for the war while industrials and Empire huggers grow fat selling to desperate defenders. I can fully understand the frustration of these two corps, but I do not respect their choice. you don;t have to respect it just live with it. Quote: You acted selfishly, Cyvok, operating hand in hand with those who oppress your 'allies'. For the other leadership elements of Xetic to follow suit without once informing the alliance of your grievances only compounds the dishonour. Honr is accorded to those that are honorable, when looking for dishonor look int oxetic's own ranks first before throwing the term around willy nilly. Quote: Do not expect the support of those you have left behind. You have joined the ranks of the griefers and murderers who enjoy nothing more than mayhem and destruction, and only the deeds of your future interractions will determine the degree of response offered. griefers and murderers? Why would we join their ranks so soon did we grief Xetic? Nope I do not think so. As too Future Interactions Read the xetic Forums, your own members can barely control themselves. Once again be a little introspective and clean your house first before throwing accusations and Terms around. Spouting Rhetoric never helped Xetic before, why should it start helping now. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. --------------- [ Internally Yours foyle, MT ]
Fulmen	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:11:00 - [94] Let me start by saying that I have flown with DDC and CLS on many occasions and had great times while doing it.....however, don't think you are leaving the tarnished image behind to start anew. If anything Xetic's image just improved drastically cause the sh1t talckers and the underhanded dealersof the alliance are finally gone. Goodluck guys. It was fun while it lasted. Too bad it ended this way with yet another knife stuck in our backs!
Noob Esquire	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:16:00 - [95] WTB: New Xetic forum account Xendie PWN's Himself
Sitherus	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:16:00 - [96] Interesting and dark times, I wish yah all the best of luck and will see what events take place. We will see what happens in the days to come, Feyth is our home and will fight all whom try to dispose us! Sitherus and his disposable alt Zatharas.
Riddari	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:17:00 - [97] It was such a good quote I'll post it again Khaerie: Xetic, you are not gone. It would be wise to look inside and let the best of you come forth instead of the worse of you show up here. ¼©¼ a history
Ima Victim	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:18:00 - [98] Riddari, your "History" movie is amazing. My God, I nearly cried. Wow.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:21:00 - [99] This whole thing is none of my business, but I will comment on one thing. If you're out with your friends, hanging out where you like to hang out, doing stuff you like to do thats called fun. It doesn't matter how big you are. If you log in each day to manage a massive horde of alts, newbs and general nobody's, you're just setting yourself up for frustration. You can't give direction to those who don't want it. Its been proven like a billion times by now that a few like-minded and well run corps can do pretty much anything better than a megablob alliance. I could never understand why xetic kept recruiting so many people while understanding this fact. Sometimes you just have to say "no" to a corp even if they are friends of one of the members, and judging by this post I think you finally get it. But anyhow, I think alliances suck major balls in general. Places like Stain and Fountain are completely stagnated internally, and shut off to the rest of eve because its become the norm. When all the older founding corps and their active members moved on, they should have disbanded their little mining organizations instead of letting complete fools take over. You try and kick them out, they just move to empire (if they haven't already for the missions), and come back a few weeks later.. stupider and egotistical than ever. The people who are capable of doing it really have no interests in staying in one area forever, and those who would want to aren't motivated/brave enough to try. Meh, I blame XTraders for all of this. Damn you Sturm. :/ _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Danari	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:28:00 - [100] MASS/Species/IGS/Redemption: You're cooked. And don't think that when you leave our space we're done with you kids. Oh and to the endless string of you who are about to call me a noob for posting, ya I know, and every one of you who has wasted damage on this noob with a bottomless pile of isk while pilots much better than me hit you, well that just tells me you don't know your enemy well enough.
Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:29:00 - [101] Originally by: DigitalCommunist I could never understand why xetic kept recruiting so many people while understanding this fact. You hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately, the XF council never understood that, so far as I could tell.
Riddari	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:32:00 - [102] Originally by: Ima Victim Riddari, your "History" movie is amazing. My God, I nearly cried. Wow. Thanks ¼©¼ a history
Noob Esquire	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:39:00 - [103] Everything is transpiring just how I have seen it. Xendie PWN's Himself
MuthaTrucka	Posted - 2005.05.02 03:45:00 - [104] Driving my train, high on *******, Casey jones you better watch your Speed trouble ahead, Trouble behind don;t you know that notion just crossed my mind --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. --------------- [ Internally Yours foyle, MT ]
Ramius Monteagne	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:01:00 - [105] I thought I was just going to sit and listen to this go backwards and forwards and generally nowhere but after reading this decided to add my words. To those in Xetic that are calling Cyvok a traitor (or worse) the Majority of CLS has been close to leaving Xetic for some time due tothe frustrations involved in dealing with an unweildy and convoluted politcal system. It was only your trust in Cyvok and his trust in Xetic that keep us part of the Alliance. It was his words that kept us fighting the MC when so few others would show. If anything he is more loyal to Xetic the you are. He put himself and his Corp on the line to fight for Xetic, and all he got in return was whining that it was not enough. This is not all of Xetic but unfortunately it is the Majority. And to those that have truely tried I offer my appologies. As to the 'Starting the war and then running' BS that is being spouted. The first CA - Xetic war was caused when Xetic High Command issued the order to CLOSE Xetic space to non Xetic Members. When a CA member was caught travelling through Xetic space a CLS pilot followed his orders and ordered the destruction of the offending ship. It was not a unilateral decision. He was following the policy set by Xetic High Command. The most recent Conflict was also of similar vein, alot of policy and standing changes where happening and when a CLS Pilot acting on what intelligence and information he had available destroyed the wrong ship. It was a mistake and we appologied and offered restution. What more could you ask? If anyone is to blame for the current large amounts of ill-will towards Xetic it is those that sit on these forums and abuse people for playing the game the way they want to play. Respect is mutual and earned not one way and given free, fore then it would have no value. CLS, DDC and a number of other corps have been trying to get additional support to hold Xetic space, but have to put up with insane prices of equipment offered on the markets by other Xetic member. So to all the members of Xetic out there: Decide what the hell you want and go out and get it, do not rely on others to carry you because as CLS and DDC have decided, we can go alot further without your weight on our backs. We may stumble on the way and make mistakes, but they will be our mistakes and we will deal with the consequences of those. To those member of Xetic that have fought long and hard for Xetic, keep fighting for what you believe. To those that have been sucking the life from Xetic. Grow up, get out and work for what you want. Ramius Monteagne Forge Region Commander Celestial Horizon Corporation A battle plan lasts until the first enemy engagement.
Chib	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:06:00 - [106] Ok reading through this thread i've learned some interesting things, I did not know CLS started the war with the5..the situation as i see it is: CLS starts war between XF and the5, our coalition delcares war on XF, CLS announces to us that they plan to leave XF and they wish to come to some sort of agreement regarding territorybelonging to the whole of XF, we declined, they then hammer out a deal with the5 splitting XF territory in 2 between themselves and the5...where do XF live now exactly....? i can see XF have been done an major injustice here by what seems to be the highest echelons of the XF command...our fight is with CLS, DDC and anyone that supports them either through logistics or fighters we intend to claim the Feythabolis region for our coalition and we are fighting fiercly over it...we've had our victorys and our defeats but the war still goes on as strong as ever now to some of the comments earlier regarding "missing assets" ...please dont take this as flame because it is not it is fact....i cannot prove whether CLS robbed XF or not but just a few days ago CLS were boasting that we could not drive them out because them had plenty money and assets.....in my experience PVP doesnt last long with our industrial backing you up or some sort of income at least and i do believe they have nowhere to mine at the moment and havent done for at least a month maybe two.....maybe even longer than that...coincidence perhaps...to quote Quote: cyvok is/was xf v.pres. cordy was pres and has alts in holding. last i heard on TS confirmed that all the stations in impass/feyth where cleaned out by someone ...you decide.. we are also willing to except any XF member be it 1 person, 10 people or the whole corp into our own who wishes fight against CLS and co, a few of you it seems are truly feeling the knife in your back and if you wish to act on it we are ready to listen ...our interest is the Feythabolis region not taking XF down....if you are not supporting CLS maybe something can be arranged for you to avoid further hostilities with us.if youre happy with the current situation then we will meet on the battlefield.....but that is not for me to decide as to one comment i saw earlier regarding SE Quote: first stain with its tail between its legs Stain did not go running with its tail between its legs...over half the alliance upped in a mass exodus and went there seperate way each for their own reasons ...and stain after just having the core of the most active, experienced and longstanding corps leave...consolidated and our coalition is all Ex-SE wanting some place to call ours..We are strong, confident and organised (minus a few hiccups) and we'll fight to the end....our reputations are at stake here and we wont back down until we have what we want CYVOK said and i quote "we can handle you" ...i guess the next little while will surely be a test of that ---------------------------------------------
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:15:00 - [107] Well Said Chib
Riddari	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:16:00 - [108] Chib: you don't have a clue do you. Your "insightful" comments are based on pure guesswork and complete lack of information CLS does have wealth, it's only 20% PVP... but that 20% is as big as you are. ¼©¼ a history
Chib	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:17:00 - [109] Originally by: Danari MASS/Species/IGS/Redemption: You're cooked. And don't think that when you leave our space we're done with you kids. now thats the attitude were looking for....but let your guns do the talking Originally by: Ramius Monteagne CLS, DDC and a number of other corps have been trying to get additional support to hold Xetic space, but have to put up with insane prices of equipment offered on the markets by other Xetic member. this is a genuine question.....if you could not get enough support then then where are you getting it from now? ---------------------------------------------
Chib	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:20:00 - [110] Originally by: Riddari Chib: you don't have a clue do you. Your "insightful" comments are based on pure guesswork and complete lack of information CLS does have wealth, it's only 20% PVP... but that 20% is as big as you are. Most of what i said is taken from how i percieve this situation and from what ive seen both on the battlefield and this forum ...im just voicing my opinion it doesnt mean you have to agree p.s loved the history thing FANTASTIC! ---------------------------------------------
Icarus Starkiller	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:20:00 - [111] Edited by: Icarus Starkiller on 02/05/2005 04:50:07 Then why no word? Why did CLS and DDC just suddenly, and quietly, come to the decision that they should withdraw, create a new aliance, claim secions of Xetic space rather than securing their own (admittedly, Xetic cannot and could not prevent your claim, but simply declaring them yours is a considerably belligerant stance), all without giving a single iota of warning to even their close allies in those same regions? Compounding this arrogant stance by handing over the remains of Xetic space to the enemy, opening your borders to them, allowing them access to your stations within this newly claimed territory, while also denying other Xetic corps the same access unless they kowtow to you and/or your new cohorts? Pilots of Honour very clearly stated their position and intentions several days before they embarked upon the final iteration of their choices... which has yet to occur. I agree, Xetic has problems (those being what drove PH to this extreme, unknowing of the CLS/DDC intentions). Xetic does not support its operations, beggars its fighting forces, and hides or runs to empire. From those positions of relative safety they whine and complain about the situation while still ofering 150k T2 mods for 10 million to their own alliance members. But you gave no warning to your own 'constituents' of this course. You've left them hanging, adrift, suddenly without the figureheads of leadership they were looking to for direction. All without a single word, vote, or opportunity to offer a counterproposal. You ran from your people, you abandoned them. You, their leadership. And now you expect their understanding and their forgiveness? You lead by example, not by cutting your team loose when the wagon is near the cliff. edit: spelling
Hoozin	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:26:00 - [112] (If this had happened a day ago I would've felt perfectly fine, as it stands, I kinda feel weird posting. I don't post a lot, but I have spent more than a year in CLS.) All of this about CYVOK backstabbing the alliance? I can tell you for a fact that for at least the last six months CYVOK is probably the only major reason that CLS stayed in the alliance. I have watched and taken part in a slew of arguments to leave XETIC, most of which had a strong majority of the CLS pilots wanting to tell XF to go ** itself. We continued to stick it out. On any one day you could probably find at least 2-4 (a lot more on some days) posts of people asking wtf we are still doing with XF? It's through CYVOK's motivation that we had accepted what XF was and what it could be with a some motivation and some good leadership. If you want to take this out on somebody, don't aim it on CYVOK, he's just doing what is best for CLS as has been repeatedly stated by the members. Aim it at all of CLS, aim it at me. All you are seeing (as far as posts from CLS) are posts of support for CYVOK and quite a few saying, "It's about time." To say that CLS started this war (or the original CA war) is utter bull**, as both of those incidents could have been solved with the smallest amount of diplomatic effort, but in both cases, the destroyed party was just looking for a reason to start a war (please don't flame me for that, well, nvm, go ahead). As it is, XF isn't being left hi and dry right now, just being left to sink or swim. XF, if you want to look at this as though you have been backstabbed, that's fine, it's perfectly okay to feel a little shunned. The two primary defence forces that Xetic has relied on for the last year are finally deciding that doing what's best for them and what's best for the alliance are no longer the same thing and are doing something about it. --------------------------------- The forums are so much smoother if you just don't read any posts by [UDIE]. More specifically Shin Ra's.
Ashis	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:27:00 - [113] From the Department Of: Pointing out the obvious to those who aren't sharp enough to 'get it.' CLS members have stated plainly in this thread their support and praise of this action. CYVOK has made reality the desire of the overwhelming majority (unanimous?) of CLS. So for those that are building CYVOK up as the 'bad-guy,' know that every member of CLS is standing right there with him. We are united in this. - - This is probably far too reasonable an assesment for this medium. Next time I will use an alt and some elite speak and insulting... yeah... "know your audience" afterall. The opinions expressed in this post are those of the participant, and do not necessarily reflect those of CLS or Ascendent Frontier. __________
CYVOK	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:29:00 - [114] Originally by: Chib Ok reading through this thread i've learned some interesting things, I did not know CLS started the war with the5..the situation as i see it is: CLS starts war between XF and the5, our coalition delcares war on XF, CLS announces to us that they plan to leave XF and they wish to come to some sort of agreement regarding territorybelonging to the whole of XF, we declined, they then hammer out a deal with the5 splitting XF territory in 2 between themselves and the5...where do XF live now exactly....? i can see XF have been done an major injustice here by what seems to be the highest echelons of the XF command...our fight is with CLS, DDC and anyone that supports them either through logistics or fighters we intend to claim the Feythabolis region for our coalition and we are fighting fiercly over it...we've had our victorys and our defeats but the war still goes on as strong as ever now to some of the comments earlier regarding "missing assets" ...please dont take this as flame because it is not it is fact....i cannot prove whether CLS robbed XF or not but just a few days ago CLS were boasting that we could not drive them out because them had plenty money and assets.....in my experience PVP doesnt last long with our industrial backing you up or some sort of income at least and i do believe they have nowhere to mine at the moment and havent done for at least a month maybe two.....maybe even longer than that...coincidence perhaps...to quote Quote: cyvok is/was xf v.pres. cordy was pres and has alts in holding. last i heard on TS confirmed that all the stations in impass/feyth where cleaned out by someone ...you decide.. we are also willing to except any XF member be it 1 person, 10 people or the whole corp into our own who wishes fight against CLS and co, a few of you it seems are truly feeling the knife in your back and if you wish to act on it we are ready to listen ...our interest is the Feythabolis region not taking XF down....if you are not supporting CLS maybe something can be arranged for you to avoid further hostilities with us.if youre happy with the current situation then we will meet on the battlefield.....but that is not for me to decide as to one comment i saw earlier regarding SE Quote: first stain with its tail between its legs Stain did not go running with its tail between its legs...over half the alliance upped in a mass exodus and went there seperate way each for their own reasons ...and stain after just having the core of the most active, experienced and longstanding corps leave...consolidated and our coalition is all Ex-SE wanting some place to call ours..We are strong, confident and organised (minus a few hiccups) and we'll fight to the end....our reputations are at stake here and we wont back down until we have what we want CYVOK said and i quote "we can handle you" ...i guess the next little while will surely be a test of that can't understand why you have to post crap like this to bend others to your will, how far you guys have fallen. I tried to talk to thebold over a month ago, he told me that CLS should just surrender, let MASS tax our operations and they would consider us friends. Yeah right, that acceptable. 2 days later he said they wanted to make some sort or agreement so MASS could go attack RA and PA. Once again they wanted the refinery. nope. The the final straw, they talked **** to -V- and told them how they were going to be turned to dust. My respect for you guys died with that wonderful piece of smack. Thebold was one of only a few MASS members not to loose a BS today in feyth, even though we had 4 scramblers on him.... hummm.... thats rather "bold" don't you think. Also if you believe whatever info Thebold is feeding you, you need to take you medication more often. On a side note, 90% of XF would not fight to save their own space, now that we have left you want them to rally against us. I would not be suprised if some do, but good luck dealing with them. I am sure that they will fit nicly into your plans to turn entire regions into slave mining farms. As for the "dissapperance" of some XF assests coninciding with our leaving. I have never had access to them, for this very reason. I never wanted to be accused of something I would never do. They said some, XF has a bit over 7 billion ISK in its allaince wallet from what I am told. Think some one could have done alot of damage just by draining that but no one did. XF holding has always been mismanaged, xf needs to look else whare. *scarsim And, just incase someone I know was involved. I will complete my apperant journey to the dark side and say, GOOD! It was their own fault for giving someone access, its part of the game right? (theft is BS and I would never do such a thing) /sarcasim wow, did I just smack? I think I did, this fever must really be cooking my brain.
Chib	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:30:00 - [115] its fine to say that theyre breaking out for themselves but theyre trying to claim HALF of xetic space and leaving whats left to the5......seems like backstabbing to me ---------------------------------------------
Hoozin	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:34:00 - [116] CYVOK, please never again attempt to spell the word "sarcasm." --------------------------------- The forums are so much smoother if you just don't read any posts by [UDIE]. More specifically Shin Ra's.
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:38:00 - [117] Its upsetting to see things go like this but I understand both sides of the issue. One only needs to look at the killboards and the fact that with 150 in alliance chat and 50 of them CLS, that CLS was doing far more then most in the alliance. From large groups like the Xtrading Company, I never saw even a single ship. This is not new either. A long time ago, a motion passed to give regions some regional freedom to make their own holding and concentrate more on their regions. This was the first warning to XETIC of the internal friction. The motion passed but how many region actually bothered to make a regional company? The CLS run region of the feyt region. Now you have a fairly tough war where we did hold our own. 6 weeks in and we still held most of the stations. Yet, the friction climbs as only a handful of good corps do their part. Its like the friction in the old CA. Too much fat around. A situation that CLS had trying to fix on many occasions. The fact that most of the leadership was from Feyt and impass says a bit too. XETIC without CLS and the other can not hold all the regions anyhow. They will be largely free of MASS and the former ex-SE as they battle against CLS and co in feyt. Shinra and atuk are your problem. Instead of wasting your ammo on CLS, I suggest you respect their neutraliy even if it taste bitter and prove that what is left can fight. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Icarus Starkiller	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:41:00 - [118] Originally by: Hoozin CYVOK, please never again attempt to spell the word "sarcasm." LOL http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm Cyvoc's far from the worst, however... chuckle
CYVOK	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:45:00 - [119] Originally by: Chib this is a genuine question.....if you could not get enough support then then where are you getting it from now? Our forces are no longer spread throught 5 regions and empire trying to defend everyone and everything Xetic, now we only have to worry about 2 regions and our own members. Because I did not answer the question eariler. We kept Feyth and Impass because we have always lived in these regions, sure we could go try to bully someone out of their own region but that is just stupid. This is our home. As for consulting with the other corps in the regions before the actions was taken, we did, most are welcome to stay. As for Feyth, as of the time of our leaving XF, their were only 3 corps operating in the region on a daily basis, the rest bailed as soon as the wars started. Supplies, I have always believed in long term thought and preperation. CLS did not build its first POS until we had stockpiled over 1 year of fuel in secure locations. Also as any pvper will tell you, the amount of minerals you get from recycled rat loot is about 100X what you can get from mining. You dont even want to try and guess what our stocks look like. oh, and we have actually run several mining operations in Feyth, the last one was yesterday. What do you thing the other 450 CLS members are dooing while 70 from our combat division are keeping yous fleet at a SS?
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:46:00 - [120] first of all I admit thebold is not a diplomat...great pvper yes, great commander yes, but he lacks the genetics for diplomacy. but enough of that on to what CLS and DDC has done to the rest of Xetic is damn sad. When our groups left stain for our individual reasons we could of just as well did what you are doing but we decided not too and make our own way. You on the other hand are playing on the weakness of the remaining Xetic corps screwing them over.
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:47:00 - [121] Edited by: Adhamhnon on 02/05/2005 04:54:40 First off... We (DDC and CLS as well as some as yet to be named) are claiming the two regions that we have been living in and fighting in. Second. I'm pretty sure we didn't 'give' the [5] the other regions... they are laying claim to them, but I believe so is the remaining XF, up to them to fight it out for them. I have never had any access to any Xetic minerals or cash, yet personally, financially, I'm doing just fine. We don't need to steal to succeed. To Icarus, who put no 'vote' in bold in his post. The leadership of CLS did have a vote as to what OUR future would be. Sorry, but if you ain't in CLS, you don't have a right to vote or decide what WE should do. And CYVOK... sorry boss, hate to correct you but... 2005.05.01 2200 Victim: thebold Corporation: MASS Destroyed Type: Apocalypse Solar System: J94-MU System Security Level: 0.0 Didn't make it on that killmail myself... but got on a few others. :) p.s (the edited part) Props and GF to the Mass/Species etc guys for the fight in j94 this afternoon, was an good battle, I just got out with 90% structure right near the end of it. One of the best battles in awhile.
Chib	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:47:00 - [122] ok to answer you on some of your statements cyvok from what i know.. Originally by: cyvok can't understand why you have to post crap like this to bend others to your will, how far you guys have fallen an enemy of your enemy is your friend right? Originally by: cyvok The the final straw, they talked ** to -V- and told them how they were going to be turned to dust. My respect for you guys died with that wonderful piece of smack. we asked -V- to stop attacking the Reds stations temporarily not to stop attacking the reds Originally by:** cyvok 2 days later he said they wanted to make some sort or agreement so MASS could go attack RA and PA. Once again they wanted the refinery. nope. ive heard nothing about us attacking either the reds or phoenix in fact until you guys pulled this little stunt we've been quite friendly with the Reds...are they fighting with you now....? we've no plans as far as im aware of attacking anyone until feythabolis is secured Originally by: cyvok *scarsim And, just incase someone I know was involved. I will complete my apperant journey to the dark side and say, GOOD! It was their own fault for giving someone access, its part of the game right? (theft is BS and I would never do such a thing) /sarcasim theft is wrong whichever way you look at it and condoning it with or without sarcasm may cause you some problems me thinks ---------------------------------------------
Xarvos	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:53:00 - [123] gl in your new adventures... cya in space I quess --------------------------------------------- Let's have some fun shall we ?
Primer Xenius	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:55:00 - [124] Edited by: Primer Xenius on 02/05/2005 04:56:24 Quote: on to what CLS and DDC has done to the rest of Xetic is damn sad. When our groups left stain for our individual reasons we could of just as well did what you are doing but we decided not too and make our own way. You on the other hand are playing on the weakness of the remaining Xetic corps screwing them over. * If CLS left with the their friends, Feyt and impass would of fallen right away. XETIC would not have owned it anyhow. At least the new neighbors will not war XETIC. * Your entire presence in this thread is purely for your own gain. 3 days ago you couldn't give a rat's ass about XETIC, I doubt you care now. You simply want XETIC to assist you in Feyt. XETIC needs to regroup, pull their guys out of empire and dig in. "we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
Sickbitch	Posted - 2005.05.02 04:59:00 - [125] no evolution of that species. dumber then a door knob
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:03:00 - [126] Originally by: Sick***** no evolution of that species. dumber then a door knob alt post 4tw
Chib	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:04:00 - [127] Originally by: Primer Xenius Edited by: Primer Xenius on 02/05/2005 04:56:24 Quote: on to what CLS and DDC has done to the rest of Xetic is damn sad. When our groups left stain for our individual reasons we could of just as well did what you are doing but we decided not too and make our own way. You on the other hand are playing on the weakness of the remaining Xetic corps screwing them over. * If CLS left with the their friends, Feyt and impass would of fallen right away. XETIC would not have owned it anyhow. At least the new neighbors will not war XETIC. * Your entire presence in this thread is purely for your own gain. 3 days ago you couldn't give a rat's ass about XETIC, I doubt you care now. You simply want XETIC to assist you in Feyt. XETIC needs to regroup, pull their guys out of empire and dig in. 3 days ago we knew CLS were leaving XF 1 week ago we knew theyre plans to leave ...did you? seems like most of u didnt our presence in this thread is to purely state that we also lay claim to Feythabolis region, if some XF corps wish to join the fight and benefit from it when the dust settles then great and if they dont then GL to em ...we have no ill feeling toward xetic we just want feyth and we'll fight anyone who stands in our way ---------------------------------------------
siim	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:05:00 - [128] Finally DDC and CLS got brains
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:07:00 - [129] Originally by: siim Finally DDC and CLS got brains too bad you guys didn't want to stick it out to the end... although you guys did get a sweat deal and I don't blaim you for what you did
Icarus Starkiller	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:07:00 - [130] Edited by: Icarus Starkiller on 02/05/2005 05:11:26 Originally by: Adhamhnon To Icarus, who put no 'vote' in bold in his post. The leadership of CLS did have a vote as to what OUR future would be. Sorry, but if you ain't in CLS, you don't have a right to vote or decide what WE should do. I never stated that it was my vote, nor the vote of any other member of Xetic outside CLS and DDC. But a vote there was, internally, silently, under the cloak and dagger of secrecy. Had you come out and said: "This is our intention, and we are following through. These are the options we offer those we leave behind..." a day before, even a week before, you would not be getting this bitshfest. You would have had a que of corps lined up behind you quite willingly, rather than raising their fists in frustration at being hung out to dry in territory 'claimed' by forces they haven't a hope in hel of holding back alone. As I stated before: You have allied yourself with the enemy (by giving them favorable standings and opening your space to their attack fleets), you have acted covertly in this cecession rather than stating your intentions in a timely manner that would allow others to react depending on their member wishes. That is why I call you betrayors. I agree with your reasons, I share them. I do not agree with your methods. Quote: And CYVOK... sorry boss, hate to correct you but... 2005.05.01 2200 Victim: thebold Corporation: MASS Destroyed Type: Apocalypse Solar System: J94-MU System Security Level: 0.0 Thank you for that. I am most overjoyed to see someone take down that stabbed out logger. PH chasted him down toward JV1V some weeks ago, several scrambler equipped frigs tackled him time after time but he slipped away (apoc) each time. At one point he was trapped in a system with both exits held by 4 and 5 frigs respectively. So he logged out. Logged back in later once we had moved on down toward JV1V, ran the gate under a full compliment of WCS, and rekitted at their station. The sad thing was... there was more than enough warning that he was on his way. He had been scouted three systems out (by me) and followed in. At the gate in JV1 there was a single enemy phoon and cov ops, but no one moved to engage. (leastwise I seem to recall it was JV1V, but could have been UB5... I was there but briefly, had to log out to attend family business, logged back in to find that I was alone in a hostile system. The 30+ fleet that I had run down to join had either logged or fled. Needless to say, I got out of there.) edit: grammar, spelling
TheUnkown	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:08:00 - [131] Edited by: TheUnkown on 02/05/2005 05:09:21 Originally by: CYVOK Originally by: Chib . What do you thing the other 450 CLS members are dooing while 70 from our combat division are keeping yous fleet at a SS? LOL BEST LINE EVER and to falloutboys post on the end of page 6...maybe u should fight us w/o going back to SE space to refit ...regroup and make more bs after we run u out...I dont call that making your own way at all I WILL NOT LOSE...Always KILL...Never KILLED
Chib	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:12:00 - [132] Originally by: icarus starkiller Thank you for that. I am most overjoyed to see someone take down that stabbed out logger. I'll agree that you cannot put the bold and tact in the same sentance but we've won more fights than lost under his command....he is a fleet combat genius....he just shouldnt be allowed to talk to strangers ---------------------------------------------
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:13:00 - [133] Edited by: FalloutBoy on 02/05/2005 05:15:44 Edited by: FalloutBoy on 02/05/2005 05:14:54 Originally by: TheUnkown Edited by: TheUnkown on 02/05/2005 05:09:21 Originally by: CYVOK Originally by: Chib . What do you thing the other 450 CLS members are dooing while 70 from our combat division are keeping yous fleet at a SS? LOL BEST LINE EVER and to falloutboys post on the end of page 6...maybe u should fight us w/o going back to SE space to refit ...regroup and make more bs after we run u out...I dont call that making your own way at all umm we don't go back to stain we go to our HQ in UB5
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:16:00 - [134] Edited by: DrunkenOne on 02/05/2005 05:18:04 Originally by: FalloutBoy on to what CLS and DDC has done to the rest of Xetic is damn sad. When our groups left stain for our individual reasons we could of just as well did what you are doing but we decided not too and make our own way. You on the other hand are playing on the weakness of the remaining Xetic corps screwing them over. The only difference between what all the ex SE corps did and what CLS and DDC did is that xetic was in a war and you were not. You both "screwed over" the people who remained in your alliance. Stain is but a shadow of its former self, much as xetic is now, yet you try to claim the moral highground over these guys? CLS has something like 5-10x your members, and I;m sure the VAST majority of them were quite unhappy. Remember that EVE IS A GAME. Why would you play a game where you aren't having as much fun as you possibly could? I for one know I'd have more fun being in an alliance with m8s that I know I can count on and would support me in any situation, pvp/assets/isk/whatever, rather than an alliance where I do all the work with no support.
BlackSabbath	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:19:00 - [135] Quote: umm we don't go back to stain we go to our HQ in UB5 what do you do the other 6 days out of the week without an hq?
Hawk Firestorm	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:19:00 - [136] Edited by: Hawk Firestorm on 02/05/2005 05:56:49 Edited by: Hawk Firestorm on 02/05/2005 05:21:56 Originally by: Takrolimus Im struggling to find any of the flamers from this thread in any [5] Lossmails.... Bingo. And frankly ya won't sadly. Ya always see the same faces doin the work, now all those same faces decided enough was enough and it's time for something new, for those that actually support the regions. My personal view, but accurate I think. Perhaps it could of been handled better, perhaps. Funds etc goin missin, plus all the other clandestine mumblings from those that simple don't know any better, hogwash. That we 'backstabed' Xif, well I say all those that sat with a finger up their butt, wizzing past defence fleets in haulers and not helping out when ever the call came, while we went out in our biggest and best, placing all our personal isk, ships and everything we have on the line (billions in alotta cases), or sat empire huggin you let your side down badly, and most definately not any of these guys. None wish Xif ill will, most are kinda sad bout it actually especially the older members, myself included. But well it had to happen I guess, things had to change and I have the greatest respect for em, (they damn well earned it). And will give them my full support in what they are trying to do. As for shinra etc, well we might have had our differences, but well those (that actually fought em), they fought for what they believe and ya gotta respect em for that. But anyways good luck Xif.
FireFox McProwler	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:20:00 - [137] After been down in Impass and Feythaolis you get a good idea of how rough it was. You can point finger on how the events started that lead to the 5 coming down to fight Xetic and Species/MASS fighting in the south front. What I find amusing id that DDC and CLS earned there respect with the 5 as we where the only ones putting up a fight. I would guess since they saw we where the ones putting the most visible effort into defending the area that hey would agree to something like this. Ask any of the corps around the Impass area who supported the people defending the area. You wont get any cheery replies on that question from anyone down in Impass Feyl. I can say that STK-S offered discounts on fittings and ships to DDC as I personally bought 2 Harpys from them at 11 mil. When I was told what was going on I couldnÆt help but cheer that things are getting better. I was enjoying the constant fighting but it was starting to drag on into a long bloody war with us being out numbered most of the time. Even with being outnumbered we fill fought against them and losses where being felt on both sides. Butà. People are going to complain and whine all they want about what we are doing. Honistly if you want to do something about then stop talking and acting. IÆm sure they would come right after us but they have other things to worry about.
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:27:00 - [138] Originally by: FireFox McProwler When I was told what was going on I couldnÆt help but cheer that things are getting better. I was enjoying the constant fighting but it was starting to drag on into a long bloody war with us being out numbered most of the time. Even with being outnumbered we fill fought against them and losses where being felt on both sides. Butà. ok first if you see this as an end to hostilites you sadly mistaken, we plant to fight till the end. Secondly I have never seen an Xetic fleet fight while being outnumberd or hell even on even terms. only time we'll get a fight is if you outnumber us 2-1 at best. And even then we stick it out to see what happens.
Chib	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:28:00 - [139] Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: FalloutBoy on to what CLS and DDC has done to the rest of Xetic is damn sad. When our groups left stain for our individual reasons we could of just as well did what you are doing but we decided not too and make our own way. You on the other hand are playing on the weakness of the remaining Xetic corps screwing them over. The only difference between what all the ex SE corps did and what CLS and DDC did is that xetic was in a war and you were not. You both "screwed over" the people who remained in your alliance. Stain is but a shadow of its former self, much as xetic is now, yet you try to claim the moral highground over these guys? CLS has something like 5-10x your members, and I;m sure the VAST majority of them were quite unhappy. Remember that [b]EVE IS A GAME[b/]. Why would you play a game where you aren't having as much fun as you possibly could? I for one know I'd have more fun being in an alliance with m8s that I know I can count on and would support me in any situation, pvp/assets/isk/whatever, rather than an alliance where I do all the work with no support. the mass exodus from stain is similar to this but not the same from one perspective alone ..stain while although a shadow of its former self is still capable of defending itself and we did not turn round to them and say " right were leaving we'll have catch, -V- can have Curse and stain can be to quote "contested" we still kill stains enemys as our own ....and also we do not go back to stain space to refit and regroup ..stain have asked us to keep the conflict our of their space and we have only used it for the few of us needing to travel every now and again, alot of us are travelling through impass in hope of encountering some XF .....the only time you guys fight us is if u heavily outnumber and outgun us....earlier today before we lost that engagement myself bold and prad were 3 against 28 and we still attempted to kill CLS fleet in ub5 ........i challenge you to do the same next time the ratio is reversed ---------------------------------------------
Nev Amati	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:31:00 - [140] Xetic alliance chat has been ridiculous lately. The general theme has been "someone else will do the PvP work." Which translates to: If I become involved in PvP, I have no one to blame but myself, so I will continue mining and dropping off ammunition in Agil for the war effort. Also, PvPers are mean, including Xetic PvPers. They will yell at me if I mess up, so, I will mine, as asteroids cannot yell at me.
F'nog	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:32:00 - [141] The sad truth of the matter is that the flames you see here by XF members are no different than the ones CLS got from them while in the alliance. Frankly, not a whole lot has changed. XF still don't respect us and take every opportunity to trash talk us that they can get. The fact that our enemies have more respect for our work and abilities says even more about how XF behaves. CLS and DDC did the best thing they could to benefit their corps. The sooner other XF members realize what's going on, the sooner they can fix their alliance and make it what it could have been. Unfortunately, all the whining, flaming, and *****ing probably won't stop and it'll only get worse for XF. Now that CLS and DDC are gone, I wonder who the alliance will blame when they can't mine. I pity whatever corp gets that dubious honor.
Kayosoni	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:33:00 - [142] Best of luck to ASCN in their future endeavors and conflicts. I hope you find the one vs MASS and co enjoyable, since that's what makes the game fun, ne? ----------------------------------- Currently Playing Lineage 2 - Erica Server
Leosian	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:35:00 - [143] Originally by: Jodax Originally by: Masoj Originally by: Hoozin I picked an interesting day to change my corp ticker. Best of luck CLS/DDC. May the Ascendant Frontier live long after other alliances have risen and fallen. You made me sad, GL with MC He'll be back... Sorry Jodax...he's ours now. Good Luck to DDC and CLS. Let the slaughter of empire begin...
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:36:00 - [144] Originally by: Nev Amati Xetic alliance chat has been ridiculous lately. The general theme has been "someone else will do the PvP work." Which translates to: If I become involved in PvP, I have no one to blame but myself, so I will continue mining and dropping off ammunition in Agil for the war effort. Also, PvPers are mean, including Xetic PvPers. They will yell at me if I mess up, so, I will mine, as asteroids cannot yell at me. fleet pvp isn't that hard...target who your told to...align for where your told too...do what your told...the hard stuff is all left up to the fleet comander
Kayosoni	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:38:00 - [145] Now for my reply to all the crap in this thread. XF: I cannot believe you people are whining about getting a fight. Even if it was CLS that did all this crap to start the fight with us, who cares? You should have been GIDDY about getting a fight, against some worthy adversaries. With your position that having to fight for you space is something that should not EVER happen, GOD FORBID WE HAVE TO DEFEND OUR SPACE! Cmon people, if you live in 0.0, in an alliance, what else are you in it for than for the prospect of pvp and conquering? Mining? making fake money? These are trivial compared to the prospect of FUN there is in 0.0 with pvp. I hope you guys think about this and change your mind on pvp. ----------------------------------- Currently Playing Lineage 2 - Erica Server
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:40:00 - [146] Originally by: F'nog The sad truth of the matter is that the flames you see here by XF members are no different than the ones CLS got from them while in the alliance. Frankly, not a whole lot has changed. XF still don't respect us and take every opportunity to trash talk us that they can get. The fact that our enemies have more respect for our work and abilities says even more about how XF behaves. I'm sure the 5ive have no respect for you they got a sweat deal and they took it...and i'm sure they have more targets in mind after this.
FireFox McProwler	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:45:00 - [147] Originally by: FalloutBoy Originally by: FireFox McProwler When I was told what was going on I couldnÆt help but cheer that things are getting better. I was enjoying the constant fighting but it was starting to drag on into a long bloody war with us being out numbered most of the time. Even with being outnumbered we fill fought against them and losses where being felt on both sides. Butà. ok first if you see this as an end to hostilites you sadly mistaken, we plant to fight till the end. Secondly I have never seen an Xetic fleet fight while being outnumberd or hell even on even terms. only time we'll get a fight is if you outnumber us 2-1 at best. And even then we stick it out to see what happens. Well... if the 5 where keeping impass locked down witha 25 bs fleet and Species/MASS Keeping Feyl locked down. That cuts us in half. The few times that we for a fleet down to Feyl is when the 5 where not bothering us. Thats why your getting outnumbered.
Pradege D'Hallur	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:46:00 - [148] Well i missed the fight last night but oh well had to sleep. As far as us being "cooked" dont believe that for a second. I came on originally to congradulate you guys on your new move and venture, but it seems the smack is endless on the forums. I am not a fan of smack talk and have had some good chats with you guys in local. We know we are outnumbered but we are never outgunned and we are going to fight til the end whatever it will be. The truth of all the events were we knew most of what was going down not the particulars but enough to know what was happening in the xetic command structure. But you ran from one group only to say you can handle another. Well i guess we will see i have been in feythabolis for over a month and you all finally got one positive fleet enagagemnt with what was considered a hughly outnumbering force, but thebold went to fight anyway (mad props) sad thing is i missed it. The point is we are here dont plan on leaving anytime soon and more are coming. Good, bad, or otherwise we will fight. Oh yeah good luck and all with you new alliance. When we die God's job is to judge us..........My job is to arrange that meeting
CYVOK	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:52:00 - [149] Originally by: Chib earlier today before we lost that engagement myself bold and prad were 3 against 28 and we still attempted to kill CLS fleet in ub5 ........i challenge you to do the same next time the ratio is reversed I will toss some respect your way for that, granted it was warp in at 111K snip while alining to gate and warp out as soon as your targeted, but still, you did do it. And I may be wrong but the final battle took place numbers were about even, we may have had a couple more but it was a rather fair fight. I also have to contest that we have never tried the same thing. Their was a battle where 16 of you were attacking the station and crohnx had our gang of about 8 warping in and sniping 1 and the warping back out. Not quite 3 vs 28 but still happened.
Batar Fireheart	Posted - 2005.05.02 05:59:00 - [150] Originally by: Coasterbrian To XF members: Some of you I have the utmost respect for, and am very sorry to leave behind. The others I am happy to do without, especially those who sell stuff on market in 0.0 for unbelieveably inflated prices, and those who refuse to contribute to the war effort. Oh, ad don't forget the people who smacktalk their own alliance mates who are out defending their asses. To the enemies of Ascendant Frontier: Make sure your insurance is up to date, and put some tech II gear on. My thoughts exactly *May your wallets be full of isk and your cannons blessed*
joshmanicus	Posted - 2005.05.02 06:00:00 - [151] Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: FoxHunt You started something you couldn't finished, told everyone one thing while doing something completely different behind the scenes. You may be trimming the fat, but at the same time you've stabbed in the back the smaller corps that were laying down everything to fight with far less finances and far less experience. You're command structure was crap, you're supply lines were crap, and rather than admit your mistake you decided to roll over for your enemies and serve up your lame duck alliance as a peace offering. Since you've ran one alliance into the ground, I imagine it won't be long before you'll do it again. If we did such a poor job with keeping trade lines secure and everything else then you dont' need us anyway., so how did we wreck the Xetic Alliance. If we where such crap then why is it we are in 0.0 and you are not. Black Lance did not leave 0.0 space because we tucked tail and ran. We left because we were ASKED to take the fight to the enemy there.
Chib	Posted - 2005.05.02 07:06:00 - [152] Edited by: Chib on 02/05/2005 07:06:43 Originally by: CYVOK Originally by: Chib earlier today before we lost that engagement myself bold and prad were 3 against 28 and we still attempted to kill CLS fleet in ub5 ........i challenge you to do the same next time the ratio is reversed I will toss some respect your way for that, granted it was warp in at 111K snip while alining to gate and warp out as soon as your targeted, but still, you did do it. And I may be wrong but the final battle took place numbers were about even, we may have had a couple more but it was a rather fair fight. I also have to contest that we have never tried the same thing. Their was a battle where 16 of you were attacking the station and crohnx had our gang of about 8 warping in and sniping 1 and the warping back out. Not quite 3 vs 28 but still happened. just an FYI i stayed long enough on one of those encounters to hit 53% structure but yes it was a case of warp in and warp out otherwise we'd be insta ganked and not to take the victory from you because victory is victory whatever happens, there was a momentary lapse in communication which caused it but then ...isnt that how they all happen ---------------------------------------------
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.05.02 07:24:00 - [153] for the ceo most voted as the best, u make some silly decisions cyvok My vids and random stuff
Equinox II	Posted - 2005.05.02 07:33:00 - [154] Wow! I'm gone a day or two and when i come back the south is turned upside down! :) Changes for the good I guess :)
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2005.05.02 07:34:00 - [155] looking forward to some fun. Controlling Feyth wont be easy for either side. Wonder what will win pvp power or industrial backup.
Xendie	Posted - 2005.05.02 07:35:00 - [156] max i think it was more of a corp decision for them then just cyvok and with all their members agreeing then it must have been a good decision for him to pu in effect. the ppl in CLS play for their fun and the fun as a corp, not for what max thinks is fun.
Paddy Murphy	Posted - 2005.05.02 07:40:00 - [157] Edited by: Paddy Murphy on 02/05/2005 07:45:45 Edited by: Paddy Murphy on 31/02/2005 07:44:22 (insert random flame bait here) ***
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2005.05.02 07:49:00 - [158] I see loads of people messed up over this and not without reason. I'll try to be rational. First of all,this is primarily a matter between the remaining XF and CLS/DDC. All of the others just wish to swing things their way(i don't blame them,anything goes in war)and get frustrated XF fighters to join their ranks against CLS/DDC(ex-SE),or "pacify" immensea (the 5).I say do no enemy a favor,go your own way. My corp has been in xetic since late winter i think(applicant/trial period included),with CLS as our sponsor. When the order to go to 0.0 was given,we complied. I can understand it's a game and should be fun,i can also understand that having to carry your weight is expected and having to carry other people's burdens is not,but we did that,as a lot of people in XF (CLS and DDC included) did. Let me set this straight,at least from my point of view and perhaps a lot of other's too. It's not mainly about you guys leaving,it's that we learned about it from the enemy,whom you now hold at a mutual +5 standing. PH was thinking of leaving,they posted their intentions well ahead of time,they're still there. We were as well,but didn't even mention it,nor made any move to that direction. There was a repetitive theme on our TS and our forums and it was "it sucks to fight with these odds,but we can't just leave our fellow fighters high and dry and further outnumbered".On the other hand,i can see that we had to put up with this for a mere 1-2 months,while you had to do it for much longer. So,as i already said,i don't criticise your decision,but i agree with Icarus when he says your methods leave something to be desired. Give us a weeks notice,we could have been prepared.With one front less,the 5 would sure return to immensea. As it is now,we have left behind a bunch of our brothers in arms. On another note,immensea was desperate for reinforcements (at least on the euro timezone) and we rarely got any. If it hadn't been for cartiff's boys and the Lance, all our assets would still be in z-h. Instead of making up and holding hands with the enemy though,we joined up and took the station back long enough to move 99% of our stuff out.However,with z-h2ma gone,the enemy was able to built a fleet on XF's doorstep,hence the results. I don't place the collective responsibility on you,i place it on the empire huggers,because that's what drove out the PvP corps.I went to immensea with 30mil,got it up to 40 in a matter of 3-4 weeks and now i'm down to 10mil,i suppose others lost a lot more and it's not about the fake money. It's just that no money=no ships=no fighting. As another guy stated,dumping mods and ammo in agil isn't enough,get in the damn fight and increase the collective firepower,but i still appreciate the effort that some industrialists put in the whole deal.However,it was a logistical nightmare and loads of people didn't even give a single EMP L round to the war effort.I sure hope you guys have fun mining veld in yulai now,whoever you are. As it is now,we have joined up with some pretty decent guys from immensea(veil of secrecy here).I'll try to work out some deal for my mates in immensea,stay tuned.As it stands now you have 2 choices.One is to regroup in tenerifis (with the remaining XF corps) and try to hold immensea as well at a later point.It's a worthy decision to fight to the end,so better go out in a blaze of glory (and flames from the forum warriors,lol)than live paying a refinery tax. The other is to just pack up and leave.I'd rather be a refugee than a slave any day.Shinra (at least the ones i encountered in the fights in immensea) seemed pretty reasonable people,work out a deal,get your stuff out and back to empire.I'm actually referring to PH and OTE mostly,will try to give a hand mates,stay tuned. To all the remaining XF forces(the ones who are actually doing something useful),whatever happens keep your chin up. In EVE victory and defeat are a state of mind,you can't permanently kill an enemy pilot,as you can't effectively hold a territory 100% of the time.Some people will comment you on your persistence and some will flame you with "XF is dead,boohoo" remarks. To the former pay your respects as it is appropriate between soldiers in times of war,no matter the side they are on. To the latter just reply "We're following CA's steps,you didn't win through use of your guns,we just collapsed from the inside like you did before us". As for people who flame when you don't fight their way(sorry,i won't park inside your optimal mates),only to congratulate you when they get their way,save your false respect for someone else.Not all enemies are this way,but they do exist(as they do in XF too).We got the respect we need between us,no matter what happened(we know who we are).To quote CYVOK himself:"MAZA,you guys are AWESOME.I am sorry we left your side after bringing you into XF.Hope you continue to kick ass!Others could learn alot from your example." -We lucky few,we band of brothers
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.05.02 07:53:00 - [159] Originally by: Xendie max i think it was more of a corp decision for them then just cyvok and with all their members agreeing then it must have been a good decision for him to pu in effect. the ppl in CLS play for their fun and the fun as a corp, not for what max thinks is fun. so sorry xendie. i hope u can find it in your heart to forgive me. My vids and random stuff
Tbone	Posted - 2005.05.02 07:56:00 - [160] cool ----------------------------------------------- Unholy Killboard
Chib	Posted - 2005.05.02 08:16:00 - [161] Edited by: Chib on 02/05/2005 08:19:47 i agree with many of the things blackdog said..your own problems aside when we were in stain it was frustrating when we were camping on the catch corridor and everytime the gate went active it was another XF allied with everyone pilot .....these guys were doin there thing getting rich while we kept the corridor safe from the rare bandit they were not napped with at the time.....furthermore when the XF / CA war broke out so few XF actually showed up to fight it that stain became more or less your body guards and we never recieved a single thing from you in return....credit where credits most that showed were CLS / ASCN corps but still so few ....and the same happened again within stain alot prior to our departure...too many people complained they couldnt mine but werent prepared to go out and clear the hostiles out......this in the end was not our reason for leaving but im sure it factored in somewhere ---------------------------------------------
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2005.05.02 08:18:00 - [162] btw you're decision is prolly a good choice, concentrating on the fighting without deadweight is soooooo much fun :)
Xendie	Posted - 2005.05.02 08:19:00 - [163] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Xendie max i think it was more of a corp decision for them then just cyvok and with all their members agreeing then it must have been a good decision for him to pu in effect. the ppl in CLS play for their fun and the fun as a corp, not for what max thinks is fun. so sorry xendie. i hope u can find it in your heart to forgive me. no worries max
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2005.05.02 08:23:00 - [164] its simple to understand the strong break off from the weak,the strong survive the weak die. CLS and DDC are storng and organised. XF is weak unorganised and cowardly. They will die. Its a matter of time. GL ASF! May we work well together. Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Lord Draco	Posted - 2005.05.02 08:27:00 - [165] GJ to all for keeping this thread very flame free. It's a nice change for once to not have to read alt flaming crap.
F'nog	Posted - 2005.05.02 08:28:00 - [166] Edited by: F''nog on 02/05/2005 08:29:55 Originally by: Xendie max i think it was more of a corp decision for them then just cyvok and with all their members agreeing then it must have been a good decision for him to pu in effect. the ppl in CLS play for their fun and the fun as a corp, not for what max thinks is fun. This is very true. Out of a corp of 500+ I can honestly think of only 1 or 2 people who didn't fully endorse this. If it were up to the majority of CLS, we would have left XF long ago. It was only CYVOK who kept us in the alliance as long as he did. If anyone is to be blamed, it was the 500+ members of the corp who supported this action, not CYVOK. In the end, we all play Eve to have fun. Our membership in XF was not fun to the vast majority of us, and we chose to leave the alliance because of this. I doubt anyone else would fail to do the same given the option of leaving and enjoying the game or staying and hating it.
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2005.05.02 08:35:00 - [167] A view from an ex Xetic and ex region commander: Ive been in xetic for 5 months, in a small corp based in immensea. from my early days did i learn how to pvp in catch. ( when atuk was still in ca..) during my 5 months in xetic could i see that the major problem, or the only one, is that the majority of the xetics dont care about each other. ive been close to scammed by alliance members, and especially in the two times ca took immensea, where ive been the regional commander for immensea at the 2nd or 1st time, dont remember, was it so frustrative to see that from 4k ppl not even 20 show up to make a gang to get the 20 ca out of a region. xetic has a few good ppl, good ppl are the ones that leave their usual way of playing this game, and take their evetime to get a ship, fly the 30j and ask for a ganginvite. such as conram who invested alot of time, or yoristar. i rlly dont like to take the good ppls access tot eh station and so the access to their work, but i also see it as an new start. my decision to leave xetic, the corp ive been a coceo for 2months was the best in my evelife (see my sig where i landed ;)) to make it short - the lvl4 hugging empire****s that act like " some1 else will sort it", its ur damn own fault and i hope uve lost billions in 0.0. to the other its a new start - take it easy, thik about what went wrong, and do ur thing greetz rex
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.05.02 08:35:00 - [168] Oh man 9 pages. Can not be bothered to read that. Good luck ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Mr Vrix	Posted - 2005.05.02 08:39:00 - [169] GL to DDC and CLS and to the Xetic Alliance do what you want..its your mony thats pays your account VRIX invading EVE We will rule the galaxie Surrender now and we will kill you the fast way if you dont surrender soon... wel this nice offer of us doesnt stands forever
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.05.02 09:00:00 - [170] First off, good luck to everyone involved in the southern Stramash. Kill, be killed and remember and let us poor empire huggers know of any good fleet fights, mmkay? Second, fought against Xetic and CLS and DDC in paticular and i know that they can fight back. They always get props for trying at the very least. CLS and DDC [ASCD] more so in our last wee rumble in empire, but I'm certain Xetic can too, if they work at it. If they don't get their act together however, best surrender and become an empire alliance if you cannot defend your 0.0 home like [ASCD] are commited to do. If thats not the case Xetic, get yer butts into 0.0 and FIGHT cause from what the ex-XF from [ASCD] are saying, you are no doing that. Have fun y'all. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Ackath	Posted - 2005.05.02 09:20:00 - [171] Good luck to the new alliance. The battle yesterday may give you the right to rejoice. Remember tho, the war is far from being won by either side.
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.05.02 09:29:00 - [172] I don't like how this was handled. I feel like a sense of betrayal. But I understand CLS' frustration. I've been in fleetsa and it's 90% CLS fighters fighting and dying. As times got tougher in Feyth they still kept plugging away. They'll always have my respect for that. The way this was done pretty much is the death knell for xetic as a 0.0 alliance. CLS and DDC did what was best for them I just wish it was handled another way. Good Luck Ascendant Frontier. Good Luck Xetic.
Stuart Ripley	Posted - 2005.05.02 09:30:00 - [173] Edited by: Stuart Ripley on 02/05/2005 09:30:22
Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.05.02 09:49:00 - [174] As Aristotle said "Misfortune shows those who are not really friends" ---------------
Lorn Yeager	Posted - 2005.05.02 10:08:00 - [175] Well... as a newly joined member of Xetic, it not so nice to see loyalty getting flushed away like CLS, DDC and friend did it. But I guess they do what they gotta do. My best wishes goes to you. As a Miner, my PVP experience is limited - but I still showed up in impass for fighting. First time loosing a BC, second time denied acces to gang because they (KSUDruid) did not know me. So please dont state that noone came to help... some of us did. But being rejected after 50 jumps or so kinda ***ed me off. I my eyes a prime example of leaderless shooting around. Anywayzz... In my humble opinion Xetic does not lack "good people", Xetic lack "leadership". There is NO organised travel groups from empire to 0.0 i.e. (not everyone has BM's) There is NO organised groups at all. (Not everyone is a good leader) All gangs I have participated in were sporadic, not organised. (As I learned, not everyone is trustworthy and therefore rejected at times.) If any of the above mentioned downsides had been adressed in time, I... sigh* But after all, this is nothing but a game. Please do not forget that little fact in your endless eager to smack and flame. Besides, in a game you have the liberty to shoot at those you do not like. To all Xetic and our Leaders, lets regroup, judge and decide. Friends come and go (just like iskies) - new friends are out there waiting (. Lets play dice! See you out there, fly safe and... watch your back. /Lorn
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.05.02 10:36:00 - [176] Edited by: Tobiaz on 02/05/2005 10:41:47 Congrats to CYVOK for his brilliant politics (no sarcasm) Whether planned or not, I don't think the last few months could have went any better for CLS. - you got kills & entertainment - your kept a safe income from empire - you disposed of the xetic slackers - you got the five of your back - mass seems frienly now too All you now need is to settle things with Species and keep the rest of Xetic, which is also still fighting Five, at bay /me looks for applause emoticon...
Eleese	Posted - 2005.05.02 10:48:00 - [177] YAY about bloody time. I wanted this for months when i was in cls. The one thing that make me laugh is the newer corps who never witnessed xetic aslong as CLS whining about them leaving and not trying to make it work. Cls tried very very hard to get xetic to defend it self and help those few corps for over a year now. I would know i was very in favour and trie everything to get xetic to evolve but it would never happen because people didnt want to change and people were set in the old ways. And getting things changed was near on impossible and being president or whatever didnt mean **** you still had to pass motion and get them voted and they still had to abide by the stupid rules and regulation (constitution) which were written poorly and written by the older people who didnt want the change. DDC and CLS had very little choice left to get changes and play how they wanted to. Props to CLS and DDC for finally leaving im sure your respect from those that matter will start to grow without the weight draging it down.
Eleese	Posted - 2005.05.02 10:53:00 - [178] Originally by: Lorn Yeager Well... as a newly joined member of Xetic, it not so nice to see loyalty getting flushed away like CLS, DDC and friend did it. But I guess they do what they gotta do. My best wishes goes to you. As a Miner, my PVP experience is limited - but I still showed up in impass for fighting. First time loosing a BC, second time denied acces to gang because they (KSUDruid) did not know me. So please dont state that noone came to help... some of us did. But being rejected after 50 jumps or so kinda ***ed me off. I my eyes a prime example of leaderless shooting around. Anywayzz... In my humble opinion Xetic does not lack "good people", Xetic lack "leadership". There is NO organised travel groups from empire to 0.0 i.e. (not everyone has BM's) There is NO organised groups at all. (Not everyone is a good leader) All gangs I have participated in were sporadic, not organised. (As I learned, not everyone is trustworthy and therefore rejected at times.) If any of the above mentioned downsides had been adressed in time, I... sigh* But after all, this is nothing but a game. Please do not forget that little fact in your endless eager to smack and flame. Besides, in a game you have the liberty to shoot at those you do not like. To all Xetic and our Leaders, lets regroup, judge and decide. Friends come and go (just like iskies) - new friends are out there waiting (. Lets play dice! See you out there, fly safe and... watch your back. /Lorn um why would you want to group with other xetic when they leave you to die... that is exactly what the majority of xetic would do and it is why i left xetic. Here 1 example (of many) 6 enemy battleships at a moon, we find the moon the commander shouts warp to him as he found them. SO i warp to him, the rest of the gang made up of xetic various members wait about 2mins before warping i lose my battleship in a 6 vs 2 fight because the other 4 xetic guys are polishing their ships at the gate not wanting to lose them. Would you want those kind of people in your gang?
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2005.05.02 11:08:00 - [179] Originally by: Tobiaz - mass seems frienly now too All you now need is to settle things with Species and keep the rest of Xetic, which is also still fighting Five, at bay /me looks for applause emoticon... I don't think MASS, nor it's allies, are friendly. We want Feyth, we want pvp. DDC and CLS are capable of defending two regions with their blobs, but we're big and good enough to take feyth from them. So i think we'll see some interesting fights over this region. Now that these two have their full resources for two regions and 6 hostile corps instead of 11 hostile corps for 5 regions. Or maybe there'll be peace, but who are we going to attack then? I only came back from wow to eve because we attacked xetic and i knew i can get pvp, so who else would be a nice target for decent fights if not CLS/DDC ? The rest of xetic hardly put up a good enough fight, besides [5] are working on them.
Lorn Yeager	Posted - 2005.05.02 11:17:00 - [180] Edited by: Lorn Yeager on 02/05/2005 11:19:41 Originally by: Eleese um why would you want to group with other xetic when they leave you to die... that is exactly what the majority of xetic would do and it is why i left xetic. Here 1 example (of many) 6 enemy battleships at a moon, we find the moon the commander shouts warp to him as he found them. SO i warp to him, the rest of the gang made up of xetic various members wait about 2mins before warping i lose my battleship in a 6 vs 2 fight because the other 4 xetic guys are polishing their ships at the gate not wanting to lose them. Would you want those kind of people in your gang? No I surely would not... And I must admit that the future looks grim. But this IS an option for EVERYONE to rethink the actions and choises they make. If people dont take the current events into any consideration, Xetic falls. Changes has to be made. So thats why I suggest a regrouping of the true Xetic leaders (imo the Corp CEO's - regulations or not) People who care will join, thoose who dont ... well, who cares about them. If no-one joins, Xetic is dead. But let me rephrase: Lets act... play dice [risk is part of this gig] /Lorn, in a radical and slightly daring mood. Btw, theese statements are made by me as an individual. But I'm allways up for a debate of anykind. Personally I would love to see Xetic go from this, in the best shape as possible....
Mother Confessor	Posted - 2005.05.02 11:25:00 - [181] just like to say best of luck in your new endevours , hope it all works out for you. =]
thebold	Posted - 2005.05.02 11:29:00 - [182] Qoute: Our stated enemies at this time is MASS, Species 5618 & any one supporting or allying themselves with that group. We are willing to chat about a mutual agreement to end this conflict if those involved are interested. Cyvok I gave you your 2 options you selected option 2. Fair Game and goodluck to you. ============================================== We do the Blowing up thingy
Canine Fiend	Posted - 2005.05.02 11:37:00 - [183] Originally by: thebold Qoute: Our stated enemies at this time is MASS, Species 5618 & any one supporting or allying themselves with that group. We are willing to chat about a mutual agreement to end this conflict if those involved are interested. Cyvok I gave you your 2 options you selected option 2. Fair Game and goodluck to you. IT SPEAKS! ---------------------------------------------- Proud Member of Celestial Horizon Corp.
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.05.02 11:38:00 - [184] Originally by: thebold Qoute: Our stated enemies at this time is MASS, Species 5618 & any one supporting or allying themselves with that group. We are willing to chat about a mutual agreement to end this conflict if those involved are interested. Cyvok I gave you your 2 options you selected option 2. Fair Game and goodluck to you. unfortunatley your not very original. BoB beat u in every catagory. i like u bold m8, but MASS etc cant really threaten anyone. it just makes people laugh. My vids and random stuff
thebold	Posted - 2005.05.02 11:43:00 - [185] i laughed when i heard you got beat by G ;) feeling it mutual ============================================== We do the Blowing up thingy
Don Carn'age	Posted - 2005.05.02 11:46:00 - [186] Originally by: Moominer Edited by: Moominer on 02/05/2005 00:27:44 Edited by: Moominer on 02/05/2005 00:27:09 Originally by: Adhamhnon Originally by: Lunas Feelgood I got 4 words: Traitors, backstabbers, disloyal ***** Gee... I wonder why we wanted to leave... I dont think any XF have said a bad word against CLS or DDC, infact so you have had the vast majority of XF's upmost respect as one of the few strong and decent corps in XF. However the circumstances prior to and around this departure: The SCA The attack on The5 by your corp The ensuing of hostilities with The5 The encouragement to get E-R, Black Reign et al up to empire Pro-XF propoganda your leader posted on the XF forum just thismorning Dissapearance of billons of ISK worth of XF minerals ...it is quite easy to understand how remaining XF are feeling "set up" and left to clean up what many see as your mess, it is clear there are others in the EvE community who can also draw these conclusions - right or wrong, this is the impression your actions give. The once mostly-stable south is now a much more hostile place. Good Luck with AF. Please keep the facts clear, Black Reign is a member of The Five. Quote: The encouragement to get E-R, Black Reign et al up to empire I think you ment the line to read Black lance** Thx. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.05.02 11:50:00 - [187] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 02/05/2005 11:50:08 Originally by: thebold i laughed when i heard you got beat by G ;) feeling it mutual exept we had 3 other alliances to fight excluding them, that makes 4. then we had 3 empire wars. then we had people not participating, and then people backstabbing. want me to go on? <3 thebold My vids and random stuff
Destroyer Draxx	Posted - 2005.05.02 11:52:00 - [188] Edited by: Destroyer Draxx on 02/05/2005 11:53:17 Originally by: DrunkenOne Edited by: DrunkenOne on 02/05/2005 05:18:04 Originally by: FalloutBoy on to what CLS and DDC has done to the rest of Xetic is damn sad. When our groups left stain for our individual reasons we could of just as well did what you are doing but we decided not too and make our own way. You on the other hand are playing on the weakness of the remaining Xetic corps screwing them over. The only difference between what all the ex SE corps did and what CLS and DDC did is that xetic was in a war and you were not. You both "screwed over" the people who remained in your alliance. Stain is but a shadow of its former self, much as xetic is now, yet you try to claim the moral highground over these guys? CLS has something like 5-10x your members, and I;m sure the VAST majority of them were quite unhappy. Remember that EVE IS A GAME. Why would you play a game where you aren't having as much fun as you possibly could? I for one know I'd have more fun being in an alliance with m8s that I know I can count on and would support me in any situation, pvp/assets/isk/whatever, rather than an alliance where I do all the work with no support. First of all there IS a differance in leaving an allaince during war (time the allaince needs u) and leaving at a time the allaince safety is more or less secured. Secondly Leaving an alliance and going ur way is one thing, leaving an alliance to finish a war u started is a whole different thing. Thirdly leaving an alliance and leaving the alliance, while taking all the alliance assets is a tad different as well. This might not hold true however, guess only time will tell if theft was part of the agenda here. I believe u can see the moral standing differance between the 2 entirelly different situations, at least I hope u do. WTS clues for 1isk. So Far So Good....So What
thebold	Posted - 2005.05.02 11:53:00 - [189] we went to fade had the same people to fight as you when we had the V thing what about them? ============================================== We do the Blowing up thingy
Br0dY	Posted - 2005.05.02 12:00:00 - [190] GL in your new path! If nothing else, should be interesting. Props for staying in XF for as long as u did, I'd prolly go nuts in that thing after my first week. To ppl shouting "BACKSTABBERS" your just sour cause u were left out and noone else will take the heat in your place. I say GG XF, been quite some time since I first started fighting u, but nice to see u are just about ended. ------------------------------------------------ Better to ask something stupid, then to do something stupid
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.05.02 12:00:00 - [191] Originally by: thebold we went to fade had the same people to fight as you when we had the V thing what about them? roflmao...its hardly the same, geurilla corps, and if i remember correctly, u kind of got owned and left? and i have friends in v, they hadnt seen many MASS about in the war during that time either. dude lets not start smacktalking each other and hijacking. lets just agree to disagree :) My vids and random stuff
Jimblob	Posted - 2005.05.02 12:02:00 - [192] I want to post something using my alt too.
Risiru	Posted - 2005.05.02 12:03:00 - [193] Edited by: Risiru on 02/05/2005 12:03:34 Originally by: thebold i laughed when i heard you got beat by G ;) feeling it mutual Just like MASS and their friends were? We have really hilarious logs from MASS in our forum... but nomore hijacking
Jodax	Posted - 2005.05.02 12:04:00 - [194] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: thebold we went to fade had the same people to fight as you when we had the V thing what about them? roflmao...its hardly the same, geurilla corps, and if i remember correctly, u kind of got owned and left? and i have friends in v, they hadnt seen many MASS about in the war during that time either. dude lets not start smacktalking each other and hijacking. lets just agree to disagree :) I'd like to take this opportunity to agree with Max here. thebold, this isn't about you, it's about us. If you want to make outrageous demands, and act like the world revolves around you, start your own thread.
Crohnx	Posted - 2005.05.02 12:26:00 - [195] lol http://cls.killboard.net
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.05.02 12:34:00 - [196] Here's to frontiers. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Miko Tanagi	Posted - 2005.05.02 12:41:00 - [197] Well as stated good luck to you all and let the battles roll on. As far a politics are concerned best left tucked away far from the forums. Smack talk on the other hand(bad).........well i think each side has done alot of killing and has had its fair share of losses enough said. The trip up north was fun got paid to lose ships and lose them we did(some more then others). But to CLS and DDC good luck despite all the hate you may get, leaving the dead weight behind is about the best thing you could ever do. The drama queens will continue to post and fabricate stories to suit their own needs to feel better(or whatever). The fights we have had and will have are good for the most part have been clean and mainly smack free hopefully it will continue to stay that way. But all in all good fun. [img:0a1fd45f7f]http://soreloserz.com/storage/Pics/aj.jpg[/img:0a1fd45f7f]
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2005.05.02 12:45:00 - [198] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Here's to frontiers. Will you leave your goddamn agents alone and come down for some fun too? would be fun to see you around :)
R'adeh	Posted - 2005.05.02 12:52:00 - [199] Edited by: R''adeh on 02/05/2005 12:52:20 I could write 2-3 paragraphs stating my opinion, BUT I'll just summarize it: \o/
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2005.05.02 12:57:00 - [200] Originally by: Br0dY To ppl shouting "BACKSTABBERS" your just sour cause u were left out and noone else will take the heat in your place. True in part,but not for all of XF.And you're just happy that you don't have to play timezone station ping-pong all the time anymore. Originally by: Br0dY I say GG XF, been quite some time since I first started fighting u, but nice to see u are just about ended. Ahhhh,nice to see all the <3.(hmm,i love the smell of flames in the morning).Some people just can't resist it seems.Well,i always thought there was nothing worse in a game than a sore loser,but i have changed my mind.It's the sore winners who are the worst Before you shout "NOOB",yes i was in immensea,yes we tried to fight outnumbered,no we weren't willing to give you easy kills for no gain and yes maza are all noobs,that's why some of your guys were camped in e8 and logged on and off to check local every now and then and smack some(not 100% sure if they were atuk though,but they surely blinked red on the overview).Too bad i'm at work atm and don't have the logs.But that wouldn't even be worth the trouble of a separate post and i don't want to hijack this one.(if you claim lack of evidence however,i'll try to obtain a copy from corpmates for all the world to see,i'm a log collector,please read on) Not all people in the 5 are like that (in fact most shinra i came across were mostly decent guys,even supremacy were more or less ok,much to their notoriety)and not all in XF were saints either(seen a lot of sad examples there as well,so don't say i'm biased),i disagree with that kind of attitude no matter who's the one waving his "l33tness banner" for the world to see. Feel free to disagree and go "CTD" once more just before your enyo goes pop,pretty convenient as far as instawarping the pod goes Oh and just so you know i mean business here....got logs?got logger! [ 2005.04.09 17:01:07 ] EVE System > Channel changed to U-QVWD Local Channel [ 2005.04.09 17:10:42 ] Br0dY > MOFO CTD!!!!! [ 2005.04.09 17:10:48 ] Br0dY > fkin ell [ 2005.04.09 17:10:49 ] Silvitni > me? [ 2005.04.09 17:11:42 ] Br0dY > i ctded dude [ 2005.04.09 17:11:51 ] Silvitni > oh....sry for that :( [ 2005.04.09 17:11:52 ] Br0dY > thanks CCP [ 2005.04.09 17:11:58 ] Silvitni > ** happens... and then some.... [ 2005.04.18 21:44:05 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 3L3N-X Local Channel [ 2005.04.18 21:47:09 ] Br0dY > wtf?¿! [ 2005.04.18 21:47:19 ] Br0dY > why did i CTD!? [ 2005.04.18 21:47:25 ] Br0dY > wtf did u do?! [ 2005.04.18 21:47:28 ] Robert Dobbs > logger [ 2005.04.18 21:47:33 ] insuperable > logger [ 2005.04.18 21:47:33 ] Br0dY > logger?! [ 2005.04.18 21:47:40 ] Br0dY > listen to me u little ***** [ 2005.04.18 21:47:41 ] DarkFenix > lol logger [ 2005.04.18 21:47:44 ] Br0dY > wtf did u do to my client!? [ 2005.04.18 21:47:45 ] Ultravires > rofl [ 2005.04.18 21:47:50 ] insuperable > rofl [ 2005.04.18 21:47:50 ] DarkFenix > rofl [ 2005.04.18 21:47:51 ] Robert Dobbs > rofl [ 2005.04.18 21:47:52 ] insuperable > we shot your ship [ 2005.04.18 21:47:54 ] Propolis > rofl [ 2005.04.18 21:47:54 ] Ultravires > honest officer [ 2005.04.18 21:47:54 ] insuperable > and blew it up [ 2005.04.18 21:47:56 ] DarkFenix > carry on mate [ 2005.04.18 21:47:59 ] DarkFenix > this is classic [ 2005.04.18 21:48:02 ] Br0dY > ... [ 2005.04.18 21:48:03 ] DarkFenix > i aint laughed like this in ages [ 2005.04.18 21:48:08 ] Br0dY > i'm gonna petition this [ 2005.04.18 21:48:12 ] DarkFenix > go for it pal According to the above log,getting one's ship blown up equals getting your client hacked and is a petitionable offence.Reminds me of the guys who complain about getting ganked/scammed or having their ore stolen(the ones that apparently XF is full of and the leet guys make fun of) Might work under petition-->other-->OHNOES!grief tactics! El-O-El,who's the now?! P.S. I know i'll get flamed so just in case....boohoo cry me a river and....on second thought why stoop to such lows as rivers,judging from the logs above you're perfectly capable of crying me a whole tsunami all by yourself! (^^ That's called a precautionary flame for ya) Disclaimer:All the above is not an official corp statement,it's an in-character post,and in no way personally intended as an insult against the real life Br0dy.Keep playing the game and having fun everyone.From the bottom of my heart,i wish Br0dY a stable ISP connection and less CTD's from now on.
Tholarim	Posted - 2005.05.02 13:05:00 - [201] ithought you guys were convinced he logged off........ Funny how you come up with this chate log every time to prova a point.... Now go switch corps to avoid war decs again plz.
Br0dY	Posted - 2005.05.02 13:33:00 - [202] Edited by: Br0dY on 02/05/2005 13:33:50 Hey I lost, got screwed twice with the same swipe, once CCP and conequently by u lot. Sore loser or not, u maybe killed my ship then, but I killed your alliance. EDIT: not alone ofc but yeah. ------------------------------------------------ Better to ask something stupid, then to do something stupid
GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.05.02 13:34:00 - [203] So CLS and DDC were spread too thin and not strong enough to fight the war they started on multiple fronts, you consolidated and turned to a dead end area to fight under the guise of making your own alliance. As all I had seen were CLS ships mainly I can't blame you for feeling like the lone rangers. Small corps and alliances are much more fun, you guys will like it more best of luck in that regard. Now since all I had seen basically were CLS ships, I guess this change now means.... wot? CLS ships and a bigger blob? Smaller alliance for you all = good move. More Blob fights = boring. I assume your plan is to bore us to death. Good strategy imo. 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.05.02 14:01:00 - [204] Never a dull day here thats for sure... Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Omeega	Posted - 2005.05.02 14:16:00 - [205] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Bold move, good luck! Man, I remember the tons of times CLS Fleet was so angry at XETIC that I shouted "OMG LOSE THOSE #@$#@" and CYVOK would say: let's give them another chance etc.. You finally did it, bold move! Let's see how this story ends... :) OMG, This is so TRUE* Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
BlackDog Rackh'am	Posted - 2005.05.02 14:18:00 - [206] Switching corps is a good tactical decision in some situations,sorry you can't stand the way we fight.Petition your next enemy to be webbed and scrambled inside your optimal mate.Tsunami for you too,start crying please. Damn,i never thought it'd be so much fun to be hated by so many enemies at once,i really am enjoying it.We were pretty excited about getting some PvP training when you attacked us,we just got loads of smack talk experience instead and i'm here to prove that you're good teachers.Yay! Thank you professor,gimme an A+ now!
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.05.02 14:26:00 - [207] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Switching corps is a good tactical decision in some situations,sorry you can't stand the way we fight.Petition your next enemy to be webbed and scrambled inside your optimal mate. Replace "tactical decision" with "exploit", if you do that during an empire war. --------------------------------------------------
Hydroponica	Posted - 2005.05.02 14:34:00 - [208] Well, I go away for a couple days and the entire universe turns upside down. I refuse to believe that anyone within CLS or DDC would have stolen anything from us, it just doesn't strike me as something yal would do. Anyone who does believe these garbage accustations should step the ** back and look at who they are talking about. I look at me alliance tag and what used to bring me pride now brings me shame and disrespect for the majority of those who are left. If you'll excuse me, I must take a step back myself and think. I've got some decisions to make. *********************************
Br0dY	Posted - 2005.05.02 14:35:00 - [209] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Switching corps is a good tactical decision in some situations,sorry you can't stand the way we fight.Petition your next enemy to be webbed and scrambled inside your optimal mate.Tsunami for you too,start crying please. Damn,i never thought it'd be so much fun to be hated by so many enemies at once,i really am enjoying it.We were pretty excited about getting some PvP training when you attacked us,we just got loads of smack talk experience instead and i'm here to prove that you're good teachers.Yay! Thank you professor,gimme an A+ now! Wow... I've no idea why u are trying to smack so much but hey... I'm glad u feel so good by the fact u can kill a ship that has gotten disconected, must be a real pleasure for u to shoot training drones, eh? At any rate, I'm not exactly sure what your point was, nobody hates u, we just shoot u because your "leadership" decided they want to force us out of some part of space or play on their tunes or whateva. Smack them for making u fight and lose your precious alliance, as far as that Enyo goes, I took a chance and lost it, happens. So grats again and enjoy! ------------------------------------------------ Better to ask something stupid, then to do something stupid
Astarte Nosferatu	Posted - 2005.05.02 14:40:00 - [210] Bye bye Xetic Federation... Sani Sabik.
Omeega	Posted - 2005.05.02 14:45:00 - [211] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: thebold Qoute: Our stated enemies at this time is MASS, Species 5618 & any one supporting or allying themselves with that group. We are willing to chat about a mutual agreement to end this conflict if those involved are interested. Cyvok I gave you your 2 options you selected option 2. Fair Game and goodluck to you. unfortunatley your not very original. BoB beat u in every catagory. i like u bold m8, but MASS etc cant really threaten anyone. it just makes people laugh. hmpf:x that's not true MAX. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega	Posted - 2005.05.02 14:47:00 - [212] Originally by: Crohnx lol \o/ Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
slip66	Posted - 2005.05.02 14:57:00 - [213] Originally by: Danari MASS/Species/IGS/Redemption: You're cooked. And don't think that when you leave our space we're done with you kids. Oh and to the endless string of you who are about to call me a noob for posting, ya I know, and every one of you who has wasted damage on this noob with a bottomless pile of isk while pilots much better than me hit you, well that just tells me you don't know your enemy well enough. bwahahah, I cant belive your calling these corps out! What game are you playing exactly? GL on your move CLS & DDC the best move out could make IMO. Krapz and Jodax your welcome on our TS to bs anytime.
Crohnx	Posted - 2005.05.02 15:04:00 - [214] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Crohnx lol \o/ \o/ , say hi to gofoi http://cls.killboard.net
Jodax	Posted - 2005.05.02 15:04:00 - [215] Originally by: slip66 Originally by: Danari MASS/Species/IGS/Redemption: You're cooked. And don't think that when you leave our space we're done with you kids. Oh and to the endless string of you who are about to call me a noob for posting, ya I know, and every one of you who has wasted damage on this noob with a bottomless pile of isk while pilots much better than me hit you, well that just tells me you don't know your enemy well enough. bwahahah, I cant belive your calling these corps out! What game are you playing exactly? GL on your move CLS & DDC the best move out could make IMO. Krapz and Jodax your welcome on our TS to bs anytime. Thanks slip66, and much <3
Krapz	Posted - 2005.05.02 15:16:00 - [216] Well, I just got back from taking the weekend off, and look at all this. I don't know how it gets topped tbh. My brother and I went to the Rangers/Red Sox game, Johnny Damon (Jesus Himself) throws me a baseball, Sox win 6-5, and we leave XF. Sounds like a really full weekend. No, you can't touch my "Jesus" ball As for the XF migration. XF should quit with all this silly stuff. We were actually doing really good towards the end of the original CA war. In some areas, PvP'ers were coming together as a team, but it gave many ppl confidence and hope. In this last war, XF (imo) has never had a better, more coordinated fighting force. That's actually saying a lot, because for the most part, there is still a TON of improvements to be made. Lack fo comms, lack of TS, lack of participation. Solve those 3 things, and never worry about anything again, cuz you have all the isk/bpo's/resources to dominate with. XF, as a whole, needs to find it's own version of "William Wallace" and just go Braveheart all over the south. I thought Druid was that guy, but even he got flamed consistantly. It's really just a complete difference of opinion and philosophy of the game. If you are not willing to fight every day for your claimed space, then you do not deserve to claim it, nor reap it's benefits. I'm not ripping the entirity of XF here, because many of them show up and get their hands dirty every day. MAZA has been a great example, as has Black Lance, and many individuals from corporations who don't show bigger #'s in .0. Hydro, Drakma, and countless others were active in regional defenses, and paid the price that is necessary to play the game in .0 space. However, the constant criticisms and endless banter on right and wrong should stop. It has driven the majority of your PvP'ers away. When TC left some time ago. TBH, this is where I really get upset and sad all at the same time. CLS has been on the very edge of leaving XF for a long time now. I'm not talking a week or 2 or 4. I'm talking about 6 months. The PvP'ers, the ppl who keep XF safe and defended, get treated like second class citizens instead of the heroes and protectors that they should be viewed as. From the largest and argueably most industrial advanced group in the game, I don't want a big welcome home ceremony with ticker tape and baloons when I wake up in cloning. I want BS's at cost. I want mods at cost. I want T1 mods for free. And I DON'T appreciate being labeled as a war monger just because I enjoy PvP. Every war is not about war mongering. It's about standing up for yourself. It's about pride in what you believe. That being said, let's count the real losses up until this point. Yep, it makes me very upset/sad to do it. Waagaa. Probably one of the best and inspirational gang leaders I've ever had the pleasure of killing ppl with. Rapier X. Fun. Just sheer fun with wreckless abandon, and always made ppl laugh and have a great time. Arbitrary Hubris. An XF diplomat that we finally manipulated into joining us on some raids. He never opened a private convo again afaik. Awesome gang mate, always had your back. Shaelyn. This chick was great. She used to mine, then we converted her from her carebear ways. EBIL. Eleese. Now w/ Seleene and the other evil ladies. Hoozin. Now over at FRICK. The entire -TC- organization. HC Masieeee. Olyyyy. There are countless others that have fought with a passion in the interests of XF, only to be undercut and second guessed until they threw their hands in the air and went somewhere else to have fun. So please excuse DDC/CLS whilst we quit banging our heads into walls. It's our 15/month. We'll play accordingy, and have the absolute most fun possible doing it. It's not a personal dig on XF. It's been a long, long time coming for CLS. We have made countless sacrifices with the XF ppl, and had many good times. Unfortunately, it always seems the that good times were outnumbered by the bad, and that's just kinda detrimental to a group of players looking for fun. If anyone thinks CYVOK ever stole anything from XF, or even insinuates it, you're seriously out of touch. CYVOK has never kept anything of relevance from anyone that held him accountable to do so. -- Insert cool graphics sig here --
BlackSabbath	Posted - 2005.05.02 15:22:00 - [217] jodaxes BS is spilling over onto others ts's? i guess 1 ts can only hold so much i kidd because i love.
Krapz	Posted - 2005.05.02 15:26:00 - [218] Edited by: Krapz on 02/05/2005 15:33:11 Thebold. lol. wow. You didn't offer us terms m8. We told you this war with MASS and us was pointless, and without any goals. You came to us, said "Give us Feythabolis, we'll let you live there. We'll charge you a percentage on the refinery, and we'll probably move out to go fight someone else." Sorry m8. We were looking for a potential partnership when we originally opened these talks. The war was without cause, and was only fueled by MASS & Co's greed. Greed is not exactly a universal motivator. You guys are getting killed left and right so you can hold the UB5 station for a few hours every day, and sometimes not even that much. So I truely hope you guys realize 1 point, if nothing else. We live in Feyth. For teh forseeable future, we always will live in Feyth. It is our home. We came to you guys not to surrender, but to discuss the further blossoming of our homeland. We were trying to define what it is you wanted exactly, and why we could not find alternate ways to settle it. You offered not to rape, but would certainly pillage and burn. So you guys have what is coming for you. All I see now is you guys on local begging for our surrender. Laughable. Thebold has truely made CLS lose all respect for MASS, and the work we have done to this point. Had you come to us 3 months ago, when we considered MASS friends, this situation would have been completely different. It wasn't all that long ago you were mining in Feyth trying to get the minerals your own space didn't offer. In short, we know what we fight for, and short of some of the stupid smack in local, we're having a good time. It's not personal, and it won't be. Quit begging for our surrender, it's just shameful. You guys initiated this, and left us with 0 alternatives other than ending you. We tried to find alternatives to this conflict, and MASS's leadership laughed, firmly believing you were superior in every way. So I hope you enjoy what is left of this war. See you in space. Originally by: slip66 GL on your move CLS & DDC the best move out could make IMO. Krapz and Jodax your welcome on our TS to bs anytime. Thx Slip. Much <3 bro. -- Insert cool graphics sig here --
cordy	Posted - 2005.05.02 15:35:00 - [219] All i can say after reading all the accusations towards DDC,CLS and to me personal from xetic Damn i am proud to be DDC <sig will be updated soon> :p
gofoi	Posted - 2005.05.02 15:36:00 - [220] Originally by: Crohnx Originally by: Omeega Originally by: Crohnx lol \o/ \o/ , say hi to gofoi Omeega inside.
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.05.02 15:45:00 - [221] Originally by: Krapz No, you can't touch my "Jesus" ball Can I touch your jesus ball? -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
Rexy	Posted - 2005.05.02 15:51:00 - [222] Edited by: Rexy on 02/05/2005 15:52:35 cant touch that, tananananana here have a balloon Edit think they'd notice our sig's All i want for cristmas is a typhoon with launcher rof bonus :)
John Blackthorn	Posted - 2005.05.02 16:00:00 - [223] There are a things that have happend to cls/ddc that really upsets me as well. The selling of ships way above cost to our pvp groups (I didn't think this was a major issue but when I docked in Omist yesterday I saw blackbirds for 10m each and many other ships equally too expensive). The other issue was when someone in empire running around in a hauler and gets blown up and then blames cls/dcc (and others) as not protection. In my opinion the alliance should have kicked the guy that got blown up and for making such comments. Many of the smaller XF corps like the one that I am CEO of can not muster a large pvp force. We have 4-5 guys that like to pvp, and 3-4 miners and sometimes us pvp guys go out and mine for our personal ship replacements. A lot of peopel think we sit around and mine all day and reap the rewards and are super rich in isk. I only mine when I need a new b.s. (lost my scorp in omist the other night against a very well organized enemy.) I belive XF will live on if others in the game will give us a little breathing time to adjust, and setup some new leaders. Obvoiusly not our former selfs though. Just remember that this is a game and many people can only spend an hour or two in game each day. John Blackthorn Foundation, CEO
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.05.02 16:00:00 - [224] me thinks XF will have trouble now ___________________________________ cough cough sniff cough cough cough burp cough
Krapz	Posted - 2005.05.02 16:24:00 - [225] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: Krapz No, you can't touch my "Jesus" ball Can I touch your jesus ball? Only with Latex gloves -- Insert cool graphics sig here --
Lowa	Posted - 2005.05.02 16:25:00 - [226] 12 pages...no. I just dont have the time to read it all. One page is enough. Anyway, a sincere good luck and happy trails to this new entity. Dont know what happened between pages 2 and 11 but I guess this is still on? Cheers, LOWA Oh! Yeah! Huh! MC - Going funky all over your clone baby!
Ngwee	Posted - 2005.05.02 16:35:00 - [227] I was going to rant a bit - I wont now. I am still saddened by what has come to pass tho.
F4nnyb4tter	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:01:00 - [228] Never, ever did I think that CLS and DDC would be the ones that killed XF. I feel so sorry for corps like Pilots of Honour, Maza and Black Lance that have fought bravely and constantly over the last 2 months only to be royally Sh*fted by these two corps. Pathetic.
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:11:00 - [229] Originally by: F4nnyb4tter Never, ever did I think that CLS and DDC would be the ones that killed XF. I feel so sorry for corps like Pilots of Honour, Maza and Black Lance that have fought bravely and constantly over the last 2 months only to be royally Sh*fted by these two corps. Pathetic. totally agree with this. granted I mostly only saw CLS and DDC fighting in feyth, but when I did see corps like Maza and Black Lance they did fight well and I hope the make out well on thier future endevours
Selthae	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:21:00 - [230] Originally by: F4nnyb4tter Never, ever did I think that CLS and DDC would be the ones that killed XF. I feel so sorry for corps like Pilots of Honour, Maza and Black Lance that have fought bravely and constantly over the last 2 months only to be royally Sh*fted by these two corps. Pathetic. You guys really should get your act together. So far i've read that we've backstabbed XF, that CLS would crumble within an hour, that with us gone XF has rid itself of it's bad government and tons of other contradicting crap. The majority of CLS was fed up with XF, mostly for the crap that's thrown our way when in and now out of XF. I genuinely feel sorry for the good guys in XF. But to all the whiners, alliance scammers, stagnated people and whatnot, bye bye. P.S. I wub u 2.
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:30:00 - [231] Oh btw, there have been minerals "disappearing" from refining stations long before anyone in CLS had any position worth mentioning in XETIC, ask the old directors in the holding corp where that pile of mega and zyd went, I'm sure they'll end up with something along the lines of: "well, in this and that procedure that we put into place long before you non-elists, non-xetic but immensia federation dudes yap yap yadda..." (this is where you fall asleep and stop caring) "... blah blah article 23563, meeting of 1.5 yrs ago during beta when most of us were still in ca or hugging rocks in empire ugh yeah blah..." you get my point? :) ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
Feyd Darkholme	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:31:00 - [232] \o/ Just wanted to post with my shiny new alliance tag. ---------------
Saladin	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:31:00 - [233] With this event, one can say that the age of alliances has come to an end. Alliances still do exist, but they are all a shadow of they once were. --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003.
Selthae	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:37:00 - [234] Originally by: Feyd Darkholme \o/ Just wanted to post with my shiny new alliance tag. I forgot to turn it back on, thx! :D
Blacksilk	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:39:00 - [235] Damn - sorry to see you guys go.Mind you when I think about the past 4 months or so Im not really that surprised about it now.Those of us left in XF should think back to when Immensea was under threat by the russian corps.I lost count of how many times support was asked for - and ignored. And again more recently in all of our prior regions. GL to the 4 corps in the new alliance.
Krapz	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:42:00 - [236] Originally by: F4nnyb4tter Never, ever did I think that CLS and DDC would be the ones that killed XF. I feel so sorry for corps like Pilots of Honour, Maza and Black Lance that have fought bravely and constantly over the last 2 months only to be royally Sh*fted by these two corps. Pathetic. That's really sad there alt. Sad you would think that way tbh. CLS doesn't regret defending XF, and I don't think DDC does either. I don't feel bad for having fun shooting up CA, and generally PvP'ing against any of XF's enemies over the last year. Like I said in another thread, we had about 35 ppl when we joined XF. It shouldn't be such a devastating loss for any 1 alliance to lose 2 member corps. We didn't put XF in that position. The XF have consistently overlooked the importance of PvP in my opinion, but I'm not mad at them for doing so. PvP'ers were consistently flamed as war mongers, but I'm not mad at that either. E-R is formed of former XF members who don't want to be XF anymore, is that not the case? Why is it then when we make the same decision for our corps, that you do as individuals (insert all neames of VERY honorable ppl from prior post here) that we are getting flamed as traitors and bad guys? No one called HC Masieee a traitor. Not Olyyy, not Waagaa, and not any of the countless others that have fought. You make it sound like DDC and CLS have not been fighting bravely or honorably for the last 2 months. Or maybe in your skewed judgement, the fighting of CLS/DDC must pale in significance to the valiant efforts of the others in the alliance? Let me set you straight. I have nothing but the utmost repsect for MAZA. They are some of the most tenacious fighters I have ever seen. Always well coordinated, and always looking for the fight. They did an honorable job in the FoE war, and never looked back. I'm only sorry that other corps could not offer them the same amount of aid they have provided to the alliance As for E-R and Black Lance. I know these guys rock. I don't need to post hype. They are no different than any other PvP ppl. They seek the fight. They engage on the best terms possible. I play on different time zones, and have not worked with them recently. We have paid our dues m8s. We have fought our battles. We have had our share of disagreements. But in the end, we are square, and that needs to be realized. I don't think you'll see anyone regretting fighting for the alliance in any conflicts. Be it CLS, DDC, ER, MAZA, or The Black Lance. That was just a lame cheap shot and you know it. -- Insert cool graphics sig here --
Baron Puchenkov	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:44:00 - [237] Heh, I leave CLS to escape XF and all the crap associated with it and shoot at XF a little and two weeks later CLS goes and leaves XF all on it's own. Maybe I should have stayed put? Well, good luck with your future endeavours, I'm sure with the two premier corps of the former XF as it's core that the AF will become a force to be reckoned with in EvE.
Weebear	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:49:00 - [238] Originally by: Baron Puchenkov Heh, I leave CLS to escape XF and all the crap associated with it and shoot at XF a little and two weeks later CLS goes and leaves XF all on it's own. Maybe I should have stayed put? Well you wouldn't be the first to come back in the last 24 hours ----------------------- Honor and Serve!
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:50:00 - [239] Yah, I don't know how it got to the topic of forsaking other XF fighting corps, But I loved flying with DJ and his boys on the few ocassions I got to. James and the boys in MAZA are the bomb, and while cartif and I tend to have some rather fundamental differences in how we play the game, he makes thing go boom good, and I can only give him and his crew props for that. I know I wish them nothing but luck and have nothing but respect for them however they wish to proceed. -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
Zaintiraris	Posted - 2005.05.02 17:50:00 - [240] Lookin' through these posts it looks like I'm the only person that's friggin LEFT Celestial Horizon in the last 8 months, bar mercenaries. Gotta hand it to CYVOK for those personel retention skills. --- Originally by: CCP Hammer This game was so much better back before people knew math.
Lucas Vicenzo	Posted - 2005.05.02 18:13:00 - [241] Originally by: Budz Fergie When the knife is returned into your back don't complain! Well, good luck to both the new alliance and the corps remaining in xetic. Whats going on these days? You actually read announcments on these forums instead of posts about epeen's. Stop posting useful info and interesting stuff, get back to the flames and name calling, they took less time to read.
Oisin	Posted - 2005.05.02 18:23:00 - [242] Originally by: Saladin With this event, one can say that the age of alliances has come to an end. Alliances still do exist, but they are all a shadow of they once were. Really? The age of alliances is over and nobody told us!? That's mind boggling...
GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.05.02 18:24:00 - [243] Originally by: Krapz Thebold. lol. wow. You didn't offer us terms m8. We told you this war with MASS and us was pointless, and without any goals. You came to us, said "Give us Feythabolis, we'll let you live there. thebold said that? Nice, I love it. HF TB Originally by: Krapz You guys are getting killed left and right so you can hold the UB5 station for a few hours every day, and sometimes not even that much. Dont forget the VNG, and the r2 stations. In fact our morale is terrible, hundreds no thousands are trying to leave the corp as we speak. In fact the situation is so grim, we have decieded to leave our alliance and pull back all our resources to 1 region to try to hold the 3 stations we have. hrmm No wait, thats wot you all posted today. Sorry I get confused sometimes. Originally by: Krapz So you guys have what is coming for you. I really hope this doesnt mean you will try to blob blob blob. Thats soooooo boring. 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
Voltron	Posted - 2005.05.02 18:25:00 - [244] This is in no way a statement from Black Lance, ER or MAZA, it's just a quick statement from me, Volt. We won't be announcing our future plans just yet, but soon". As far as i know our plans do NOT include defending whining scamming empire hugging carebears anymore, and they also do not include attacking CLS/DDC and whoever else has joined their new alliance, same with xetic. Now, bear in mind this is as far as I know, and I really don't know much, this game is fluid and changes quite rapidly (as we've all seen with this current "situation"). Im just a simple*****pit jockey lookin for the next red blip on my overview, don't really know or care who that may be. Volt
Epofhis	Posted - 2005.05.02 18:33:00 - [245] Originally by: Lordan Stormstalker Originally by: arjun first stain with its tail between its legs, backing atuk before xf and now this backstabbing. i feel with you xetic pilots. you now and later stain pay the price for consorting with evil. Is it just me, or so many of these people sound like religious fanatics sometimes? actualy they sound like president bush =/ there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
Krapz	Posted - 2005.05.02 18:37:00 - [246] Originally by: GFLTorque Originally by: Krapz Thebold. lol. wow. You didn't offer us terms m8. We told you this war with MASS and us was pointless, and without any goals. You came to us, said "Give us Feythabolis, we'll let you live there. thebold said that? Nice, I love it. HF TB Originally by: Krapz You guys are getting killed left and right so you can hold the UB5 station for a few hours every day, and sometimes not even that much. Dont forget the VNG, and the r2 stations. In fact our morale is terrible, hundreds no thousands are trying to leave the corp as we speak. In fact the situation is so grim, we have decieded to leave our alliance and pull back all our resources to 1 region to try to hold the 3 stations we have. hrmm No wait, thats wot you all posted today. Sorry I get confused sometimes. Originally by: Krapz So you guys have what is coming for you. I really hope this doesnt mean you will try to blob blob blob. Thats soooooo boring. I'm sorry man. What can I say? We tried selling raffle tickets, or holding some sort of lottery. But the conclusion of our meeting was that no one wants you there, and we are more than happy to rat hunt while you guys SS, or sing on TS, or just shoot each other up for fun.... I tried the crowd control thing... But I couldn't stop them.... FFS, even Josh came back. -- Insert cool graphics sig here --
Eli Whitney	Posted - 2005.05.02 18:47:00 - [247] Originally by: Epofhis Originally by: Lordan Stormstalker Is it just me, or so many of these people sound like religious fanatics sometimes? actualy they sound like president bush =/ Religious fanatic and President Bush aren't mutually exclusive terms
GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.05.02 18:48:00 - [248] Originally by: Krapz I'm sorry man. What can I say? We tried selling raffle tickets, or holding some sort of lottery. But the conclusion of our meeting was that no one wants you there, and we are more than happy to rat hunt while you guys SS, or sing on TS, or just shoot each other up for fun.... I tried the crowd control thing... But I couldn't stop them.... FFS, even Josh came back.[/quote I just hope we get some roughly even numbers and lots of fights, lest I go back to Viceroy, Digi and Nego in corp with ppl we war with asking for website interview (inside joke) when we are just trying to politely say j0o been wtfpwned mo fo. 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
lavinia	Posted - 2005.05.02 18:56:00 - [249] What comes to mind is betrayal... betrayal of the worst kind.... I have seen some dirt in EVE but it was never this dirty :(
Krapz	Posted - 2005.05.02 19:03:00 - [250] Originally by: GFLTorque Originally by: Krapz I'm sorry man. What can I say? We tried selling raffle tickets, or holding some sort of lottery. But the conclusion of our meeting was that no one wants you there, and we are more than happy to rat hunt while you guys SS, or sing on TS, or just shoot each other up for fun.... I tried the crowd control thing... But I couldn't stop them.... FFS, even Josh came back. I just hope we get some roughly even numbers and lots of fights, lest I go back to Viceroy, Digi and Nego in corp with ppl we war with asking for website interview (inside joke) when we are just trying to politely say j0o been wtfpwned mo fo. Sounds like a plan! I just wish we weren't on such different timezones atm. Nothing is more frustrating than watching 20 v 1 ganking come up on the killmails, and then having ppl talk trash about it, especially when we can't get the good engagements we want. -- Insert cool graphics sig here --
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.05.02 19:04:00 - [251] Originally by: lavinia What comes to mind is betrayal... betrayal of the worst kind.... I have seen some dirt in EVE but it was never this dirty :( I think you're having a tough time grasping the meaning of the word 'betrayal'. A betrayal would be people in your alliance calling you a warmonger, overcharging for needed items during wartime, and *****ing about you every day you are out fighting and losing ships to protect that alliance. That's betrayal... I would say we betrayed you if we were now ganging with XF's enemies and now attacking you... which we aren't doing, dispite how much you're goading us.
GFLTorque	Posted - 2005.05.02 19:04:00 - [252] Originally by: lavinia What comes to mind is betrayal... betrayal of the worst kind.... I have seen some dirt in EVE but it was never this dirty :( Typical. I remember in Stain when we had so many that wanted total protection but never wanted to help. They wanted the enemy eliminated but were a bit too busy to help. They wanted other corps to risk ships but couldnt quite help those corps get replacements when needed. If you live in 0.0 then you must have military force. This looks to me to be very much like wots happened in other alliances afaik. Your defense slaves, got tired of eating last at the table and not getting an occasional pat on their back for doing the dirty work. Makes me wonder why they stayed in XF as long as they did. I don't speak for MASS but I can tell you I think alliances like FA, Stain, XF, FIX are a house of cards built on the military. Not a military built on mining and production etc... When the military figures that out, stuffzor like this happens. 4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
Ben Sterlinger	Posted - 2005.05.02 19:18:00 - [253] Im behind ya CYVOK, we all are. Look straight ahead and keep on walking. /Ben S Agent Runners Department
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.05.02 19:21:00 - [254] Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/05/2005 19:25:53 Originally by: GFLTorque I don't speak for MASS but I can tell you I think alliances like FA, Stain, XF, FIX are a house of cards built on the military. Not a military built on mining and production etc... When the military figures that out, stuffzor like this happens. Whilst I have no intention of deflecting the centre of attention away from the main topic i.e (The DDC/CLS anouncement). I would like to point out that perhaps there are alliances that have figured out the point you are trying to make and that indeed expecting the 'military' to bail out the 'civilians' is the wrong way to go about things. It seems to me that the word 'alliance' has become dirty and associated with all that is wrong with the schizoprhenia between 'carebears' and 'pvpers'. An alliance is whatever you make it to be, it can be a living breathing nightmare or it can be a strong beautiful entity that makes you proud to be a part of it. With that said, I hope CLS and DDC find what they are looking for in their new endeavour. Good luck.
Krapz	Posted - 2005.05.02 19:22:00 - [255] Originally by: lavinia What comes to mind is betrayal... betrayal of the worst kind.... I have seen some dirt in EVE but it was never this dirty :( OMG you must be joking! I've seen much better dirt than this on here! You need to read this forum more. -- Insert cool graphics sig here --
TRIGGER	Posted - 2005.05.02 19:33:00 - [256] good luck cls and ddc , both good corps in their own right and will at some point make their home safe for their members ..... one way or another
anter	Posted - 2005.05.02 19:44:00 - [257] Good call to leave all the dead weight behind. Nice work with taking some minerals as payment for all the previous work you have done for XF before.
Nepereta	Posted - 2005.05.02 19:47:00 - [258] I am placing my faith in my corp, CLS and DDC as I have done throughout the last war vs the 5 & MAss & co and the current one between AF and Mass & co. Sorry to all those XF who feel like this is a stab in the back. All I can say is many of the impassian and feythabolian corps have worked closely togther in combat usually under the military aegis of DDC and CLS and all those PvPers I fly with are for the most part joining the new Allaince.
Gunship	Posted - 2005.05.02 19:57:00 - [259] Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: FoxHunt You started something you couldn't finished, told everyone one thing while doing something completely different behind the scenes. You may be trimming the fat, but at the same time you've stabbed in the back the smaller corps that were laying down everything to fight with far less finances and far less experience. You're command structure was crap, you're supply lines were crap, and rather than admit your mistake you decided to roll over for your enemies and serve up your lame duck alliance as a peace offering. Since you've ran one alliance into the ground, I imagine it won't be long before you'll do it again. If we did such a poor job with keeping trade lines secure and everything else then you dont' need us anyway., so how did we wreck the Xetic Alliance. If we where such crap then why is it we are in 0.0 and you are not. I got taking by this comment! So very true.... Fighters are all so bad... until they leave. Happy hunting DDC CCP Petition!
Galk	Posted - 2005.05.02 20:00:00 - [260] Yes indeed gl. Deadwood is he term i would have used, fact is 0.0 (as it is) isn't for half the people that currently wish to frequent it. Still don't understand the grasp of those wanting a part of that, that arn't willing to contribute to it. It only leads to hostilities and ill feeling in the end. I don't know where this all ends for you guys, until hostilities start with other groups in the region, then it will become clearer. Obviously this is only another begining. ------------------------ ---- Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/
ShadowHawk	Posted - 2005.05.02 20:13:00 - [261] I guess the sentiments of the remaining XF are as well understandable as the motivations of CLS/DDC. They have done a great job defending XF when most others were not standing up. I also agree with the posts that state that the problem in XF is leadership... and that is leadership on any level... starts with decent gang leaders and goes all the way up to alliance leaders. I personally can say of myself that I suck at PvP, though I'm willing to do it when ever I find an able gang leader... I just don't feel like getting myself blown to pieces because the gang is disorganized... So I hope I run into some good gang leaders out here and I'm sure we all will have lots of fun... As it was said in other posts, this is the time to either swim or sink... the next few days/weeks for sure will be interesting... GL to all parties involved and especially to myself, I sure need it grin Your 280mm 'Scout' Artillery I perfectly strikes Sansha's Scavenger, wrecking for 264.3 damage.
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.05.02 20:42:00 - [262] I'd like to comment on the whole issue of "lack of leadership". From my experience as a gang leader and commander, plus what I witnessed in Xetic internally, the problem wasn't the lack of leadership, the problem was the lack of willingness to be lead. I never once had any problem leading a gang of CLS members in a fight. Same can be said for DDC members who joined a gang. TS was kept clear for orders, and people followed the orders as given. There were other individuals as well from other corps I never had an issue with. However, when a big Xetic gang formed it was almost impossible to lead. TS would become a riot of voices despite how many times people were told to 'keep the channel clear for the leaders and the scouts'. People would decide they needed to warp somewhere to do their own thing despite the gang leader telling everyone to do something else. People giving orders who were not the commanders. And when you finally got ****ed off and told people to stfu and do what they're told, they would get belligerant and/or leave the gang or have to be kicked. It got to the point where I had no desire to try and lead these gangs. This personal experience is just a symptom of the problem as a whole. The same things were happening inside the alliance in general as inside the gangs. People tried to lead, but were constantly second guessed, worked around, belittled and accused of being 'dictatorial'. They were weighted down in layers of bureaucracy that made getting any kind of decision lengthy and usually worthless by the time it was made. So I wouldn't blame the leaders for not leading... I'd blame the followers for not following.
Bat Masterson	Posted - 2005.05.02 21:04:00 - [263] This is exactly like when MASS/COL + others left Stain. Where the guy was talking about 113 mil Doms on market by alliance members trying to gouge alliance members, it brought back old memories. Big alliances suck, plain and simple. Especially when 90% of the alliance is useless carebears. Good move DDC and CLS. The dead elephant is off your back, you are now free to move about and do as you please. Now XF will probably continue on like zombies claiming they aren't dead, much like other dead alliances do. Bring us some more tech 2 gear please, you zombies.
Alowishus	Posted - 2005.05.02 21:05:00 - [264] ^ is me. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Bonaventure Augustine	Posted - 2005.05.02 21:27:00 - [265] Originally by: Oisin Originally by: Saladin With this event, one can say that the age of alliances has come to an end. Alliances still do exist, but they are all a shadow of they once were. Really? The age of alliances is over and nobody told us!? That's mind boggling... Eyerolling aside, look at the facts: 1. XF represented one the last strong remnant of the true attempts at nation building out in 0.0. Now CYVOK has, figuratively, crossed the Rubicon and brought the end of the Roman Republic. I think we can expect a quick jog through the Julian line straight to the reign of Nero, leading quickly to a 0.0 dominated by the warsome hordes who claim territory without the interest or ability to administer even as poorly as XF did. 2. 90% of the remaining alliances maintain loose control of their territory and survive, as long as they do, out of luck: the majority of the playerbase is too content to remain in empire to come searching out their weaknesses. 3. With Exodus alliances became almost completely dependent on empire. Alliances don't maintain a territory for the development of the alliance but for the prestige of owning a region. But what may become the most important element in determining the fate of alliances: We await the NWO. The future of 0.0 is uncertain.
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.05.02 21:45:00 - [266] Originally by: Bonaventure Augustine But what may become the most important element in determining the fate of alliances: We await the NWO. damn right... can't want for it. ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
MuthaTrucka	Posted - 2005.05.02 21:48:00 - [267] note. Personal Comments below do not reflect anyone but me. Quote: Eyerolling aside, look at the facts: 1. XF represented one the last strong remnant of the true attempts at nation building out in 0.0. Now CYVOK has, figuratively, crossed the Rubicon and brought the end of the Roman Republic. I think we can expect a quick jog through the Julian line straight to the reign of Nero, leading quickly to a 0.0 dominated by the warsome hordes who claim territory without the interest or ability to administer even as poorly as XF did. Quite honestly blaming CYVOK is just wrong, the Vast Majority of CLS Wanted Out of Xetic, CYVOK on the other hand wanted to stay because he thought Xetic was worth saving. Unfourtunatly Xetic never proved itself worthy to "most" Of CLS. Yes the Captain of the Ship is ultimatly responsable for the crew and anything they do. That's Nice, But it seems the Xetic Council doesn't want to take the same responsability. Sure you can looseley hold territory, It's even easier if someone else holds the stations and taxes your mining. Xetic As a Alliance is a Terrible Failure in Democracy. Where everyone Has a Equal say nothing ever gets Done. Xetic On this Forum and the Xetic Forums Has Show itself to be Weak, Devided, Unable to reach a consensus, And Powerless to Form an Official Response. Of Course the Council should be debating and Setting up a Vote as we Speak on some course of action. Whatever you do remember Do anything even if it is wrong, for it is far easier to ask for forgivness than Permission. the Ideals that are Xetic will live on even if the Allaince formed around those Ideals Becomes a hollow disappointment to the founders of it. Also if you Toil away while someone else taxes you, you have become nothing more than a wage slave for someone else. Prize your freedom and fight for it. The Only way to come out ahead in Eve or Life is to fight for your Beliefs, Passivists are Crushed Daily by those using force. Either they find aggressive allies or they fade into Obscurity. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. --------------- [ Internally Yours foyle, MT ]
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.05.02 21:51:00 - [268] Originally by: MuthaTrucka note. Personal Comments below do not reflect anyone but me. Quote: Eyerolling aside, look at the facts: 1. XF represented one the last strong remnant of the true attempts at nation building out in 0.0. Now CYVOK has, figuratively, crossed the Rubicon and brought the end of the Roman Republic. I think we can expect a quick jog through the Julian line straight to the reign of Nero, leading quickly to a 0.0 dominated by the warsome hordes who claim territory without the interest or ability to administer even as poorly as XF did. Quite honestly blaming CYVOK is just wrong, the Vast Majority of CLS Wanted Out of Xetic, CYVOK on the other hand wanted to stay because he thought Xetic was worth saving. Unfourtunatly Xetic never proved itself worthy to "most" Of CLS. Yes the Captain of the Ship is ultimatly responsable for the crew and anything they do. That's Nice, But it seems the Xetic Council doesn't want to take the same responsability. Sure you can looseley hold territory, It's even easier if someone else holds the stations and taxes your mining. Xetic As a Alliance is a Terrible Failure in Democracy. Where everyone Has a Equal say nothing ever gets Done. Xetic On this Forum and the Xetic Forums Has Show itself to be Weak, Devided, Unable to reach a consensus, And Powerless to Form an Official Response. Of Course the Council should be debating and Setting up a Vote as we Speak on some course of action. Whatever you do remember Do anything even if it is wrong, for it is far easier to ask for forgivness than Permission. the Ideals that are Xetic will live on even if the Allaince formed around those Ideals Becomes a hollow disappointment to the founders of it. Also if you Toil away while someone else taxes you, you have become nothing more than a wage slave for someone else. Prize your freedom and fight for it. The Only way to come out ahead in Eve or Life is to fight for your Beliefs, Passivists are Crushed Daily by those using force. Either they find aggressive allies or they fade into Obscurity. teh ** king thus spake. ------------------- Quote:** Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.05.02 22:18:00 - [269] Originally by: Kayosoni Now for my reply to all the crap in this thread. Cmon people, if you live in 0.0, in an alliance, what else are you in it for than for the prospect of pvp and conquering? Mining? making fake money? These are trivial compared to the prospect of FUN there is in 0.0 with pvp. quote] You know, this is very true. I love the thrill of seeing what I can get away with in 0.0. I may or may not ever be a decent fighting pilot but I don't do too bad on getting out of trouble. Sure I get caught but it's a great rush to be chased around and scrambling for just the right locale to keep from being found by the pvper in the system. Personal note: Video Card has crashed in my puter. I'm buying one tonight. Fire, if I don't see you before I get home then we'll talk. Please be safe and may your trip turn out to be golden. Director of Communications 2nd in Command of Foreign Affairs
TheUnkown	Posted - 2005.05.02 23:32:00 - [270] Originally by: Miko Tanagi U maybe atm a enemy...but in my eyes you are 4EVA hired in my book for that SIG GOOD DAM JOB I WILL NOT LOSE...Always KILL...Never KILLED
Hyey	Posted - 2005.05.02 23:40:00 - [271] Originally by: Oisin Originally by: Saladin With this event, one can say that the age of alliances has come to an end. Alliances still do exist, but they are all a shadow of they once were. Really? The age of alliances is over and nobody told us!? That's mind boggling... What is meant by that is this. I consider FIX one of the newer age alliances because they dont seem to carry anywhere near the immense deadweight that XF/CA/FA/SE did/do whatever you wanna call it. This sheding of deadweight has lead to smaller alliances that are incredably effecient at holding thier own space or defeating their enemies like never before. It was not done by a combination of 5000 people but coalitions as small as 5 corps. Its simply more effecient this way nowadays. ~~ Hyey I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
Sceartan	Posted - 2005.05.02 23:43:00 - [272] Congratulations to CLS/DDC for leaving Xetic. The right decision has been made and you won't regret it. Good luck and let all parties keep the whorums cleared of smack talk and useless threads, let's keep it clean and in-game. (The irony is, I might get flamed for saying that )
Icarus Starkiller	Posted - 2005.05.03 01:28:00 - [273] Originally by: Adhamhnon People tried to lead, but were constantly second guessed, worked around, belittled and accused of being 'dictatorial'. They were weighted down in layers of bureaucracy that made getting any kind of decision lengthy and usually worthless by the time it was made. Aww, gee, that sounds almost like the major governmental bodies of any country you might be able to name. It's called Politics, the one thing humans excell at better than killing one another. It also predates sentience... look at pack animals and you can see politics in action there, too.
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.05.03 01:59:00 - [274] Originally by: Icarus Starkiller Originally by: Adhamhnon People tried to lead, but were constantly second guessed, worked around, belittled and accused of being 'dictatorial'. They were weighted down in layers of bureaucracy that made getting any kind of decision lengthy and usually worthless by the time it was made. Aww, gee, that sounds almost like the major governmental bodies of any country you might be able to name. It's called Politics, the one thing humans excell at better than killing one another. It also predates sentience... look at pack animals and you can see politics in action there, too. Dunno about you, but I play games to get away from real world bs... not immerse myself in another version of it... especially one of the worst aspects of it.
Hyey	Posted - 2005.05.03 02:36:00 - [275] Originally by: Icarus Starkiller It's called Politics, the one thing humans excell at better than killing one another. LOL Yea right, we excel at nothing better than killing one another as seen by our constant attempt to make better weapons with which to kill better with. We CAN be good at politics, but human nature is just better at obliterating each other ~~ Hyey I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.05.03 02:57:00 - [276] Originally by: Icarus Starkiller It's called Politics, the one thing humans excell at better than killing one another. Actually, I've always been better at killing other people than I have been at politics. Anyone else feel the same way? -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
Serend	Posted - 2005.05.03 03:47:00 - [277] Best of luck to DDC in your new venture. Enjoyed flying with you in the past and look forward to doing so again some day. Seems like XF collapsed under its own weight, but that's hardly the end of the world, after all.
Nytemaster	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:47:00 - [278] Edited by: Nytemaster on 03/05/2005 04:47:47 Couple things I would like to point out while reading this entire thread. 1. A lot, and I mean A LOT of smack among the remaining XF members. I remember a ton of Xetic posts talking about how all the forums are filled with smack from "The Five". Can't say that I haven't enjoyed watching them bicker amongst themselves. It's about time this happened. The Emperor's plan is proceeding as he has envisioned it. 2. "The Five" have kept their smack to a small roar even though they are a great reason for this happening in the first place. Contrast this to the Fall of the Curse Alliance and you will see that many Xetic members were bragging over the fall of CA. You do not see "The Five" bragging like you heard Xetic members. Not only that, but much of the bragging came from the industrial side. You can relate these people to those who make cars for a living and claim that they won the Superbowl/World Cup. They use "We" when they win, and "They" when they lose. 3. Another thing that concerns me is how CLS/DDC are ceding from the Union much like the US Civil war. What is Xetic's official response to this claiming of previous XF territory? Does this not constitute a declaration of war based on the claiming of prior XF space? Flame away. Edit: Spelling error corrections. Nytemaster
Persia	Posted - 2005.05.03 04:48:00 - [279] Originally by: Serend Best of luck to DDC in your new venture. Enjoyed flying with you in the past and look forward to doing so again some day. Seems like XF collapsed under its own weight, but that's hardly the end of the world, after all. I don't think XF has collapsed just yet. Certainly they've lost a few good corps, but there are still alot of very good people involved with XF. Let's not get too presumptious.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.05.03 05:27:00 - [280] Originally by: Persia Originally by: Serend Best of luck to DDC in your new venture. Enjoyed flying with you in the past and look forward to doing so again some day. Seems like XF collapsed under its own weight, but that's hardly the end of the world, after all. I don't think XF has collapsed just yet. Certainly they've lost a few good corps, but there are still alot of very good people involved with XF. Let's not get too presumptious. ...so u just joined the new allaince too?
Mr Popov	Posted - 2005.05.03 05:32:00 - [281] CLS and DDC are a class act. GL to you all, but may your indies full of T2 Components and POS fuel fall to our gank squads.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2005.05.03 05:40:00 - [282] CLS must be doing something right look how long they have kept Josh Calvert Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Erzengal	Posted - 2005.05.03 06:59:00 - [283] Originally by: Lucian Alucard CLS must be doing something right look how long they have kept Josh Calvert You checked his ticker recently?
Stormfront	Posted - 2005.05.03 07:07:00 - [284] Just wondering how many of the current Xetic corps would be joining this new alliance? Hope CLS/DDC can keep the deadweight out from this new alliance. And GL to you in your endeavors.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.05.03 07:15:00 - [285] Originally by: Lucian Alucard CLS must be doing something right look how long they have kept Josh Calvert I just re-joined CLs after a small sojourn elsewhere LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Crohnx	Posted - 2005.05.03 07:38:00 - [286] yea hes back http://cls.killboard.net
Death Blow	Posted - 2005.05.03 08:00:00 - [287] Good luck mass and friends enjoy feyth
Krapz	Posted - 2005.05.03 08:17:00 - [288] Originally by: Death Blow Good luck mass and friends enjoy feyth lol. I think they are. I know we appreciate them being there. -- Insert cool graphics sig here --
La Mila	Posted - 2005.05.03 08:28:00 - [289] Edited by: La Mila on 03/05/2005 08:33:42 Time System Victim Corp Ship 22:20 J94-MU Creon Species 5618 Armageddon Details 22:20 J94-MU azrael211 MASS Apocalypse Details 22:19 J94-MU Destroyer Draxx Redemption Inc Scorpion Details 22:18 J94-MU TRIGGER MASS Apocalypse Details 22:00 J94-MU thebold MASS Apocalypse Details 21:28 VNGJ-U Gradinger Species 5618 Tempest Details 19:57 VNGJ-U McKulz Species 5618 Raptor Details 18:44 UB5Z-3 Jake Ironfist Species 5618 Wolf Details 13:13 Kemerk liopi Arcane... Rifter Details 13:13 Kemerk liopi Arcane... Rifter Details omfg you tried to kill me geddon for like 6 weeks now you finally got it and it's not even worthy of going on the killboards this allmost makes me wanna cry "edit" and i c you're missing some losses between 12th of februari and 30th of april. or was that us dreaming we killed some? i suck @ flaming but who cares
CYVOK	Posted - 2005.05.03 08:42:00 - [290] Originally by: La Mila Edited by: La Mila on 03/05/2005 08:33:42 Time System Victim Corp Ship 22:20 J94-MU Creon Species 5618 Armageddon Details 22:20 J94-MU azrael211 MASS Apocalypse Details 22:19 J94-MU Destroyer Draxx Redemption Inc Scorpion Details 22:18 J94-MU TRIGGER MASS Apocalypse Details 22:00 J94-MU thebold MASS Apocalypse Details 21:28 VNGJ-U Gradinger Species 5618 Tempest Details 19:57 VNGJ-U McKulz Species 5618 Raptor Details 18:44 UB5Z-3 Jake Ironfist Species 5618 Wolf Details 13:13 Kemerk liopi Arcane... Rifter Details 13:13 Kemerk liopi Arcane... Rifter Details omfg you tried to kill me geddon for like 6 weeks now you finally got it and it's not even worthy of going on the killboards this allmost makes me wanna cry "edit" and i c you're missing some losses between 12th of februari and 30th of april. or was that us dreaming we killed some? i suck @ flaming but who cares It just went active today. It will take awhile for us to get it 100% updated with historic info and get everyone used to using it.
Crohnx	Posted - 2005.05.03 08:47:00 - [291] yea its still needs some corrections , but we workin on it http://cls.killboard.net
La Mila	Posted - 2005.05.03 08:54:00 - [292] get that killmail in there i wanna tell me daughter i was there and have proof, else you force me to use my own killmails and i hate to brag
Persia	Posted - 2005.05.03 09:19:00 - [293] Originally by: DrunkenOne ...so u just joined the new allaince too? They offered me a free pink frilly skirt! How could I refuse?!
mahhy	Posted - 2005.05.03 09:50:00 - [294] Originally by: CYVOK It just went active today. It will take awhile for us to get it 100% updated with historic info and get everyone used to using it. Already used it to update ours with some losses people seem to have "forgotten". I'll keep an eye on it since I prefer to have ours as accurate as possible. Theres a lot of historical losses for you guys you could pull from ours if you'd like
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2005.05.03 10:02:00 - [295] Josh I would like to thank you for continually making my corp history look good. On another topic, Why does Xetic have 4k people and is falling apart? I just don't understand it u could blob everyone to death in t1 frigs and lag out half of eve if you wanted,yet ur getting creamed,an honorless victory is still a bleedin victory. If you don't want to die,fight,change,COPE with the fact you will find war wherever you go in this game with 5k combat mods and two thirds of the ships in this game being combat ships get the hint send out a memo do whatever it takes just fight,if not to win but to at least go out in style. If you don't even try then you deserved to die from the get go. Kudos to AF for at least trying to scrape out an existance. Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.05.03 10:10:00 - [296] Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/05/2005 10:19:36 Originally by: Lucian Alucard If you don't want to die,fight,change,COPE with the fact you will find war wherever you go in this game with 5k combat mods and two thirds of the ships in this game being combat ships get the hint send out a memo do whatever it takes just fight,if not to win but to at least go out in style. Couldnt agree more, would be a shame to see Xetic disappear overnight.... 0.0 is about fighting and glory on the field, understand that and then the game becomes so much more enjoyable......
Riddari	Posted - 2005.05.03 10:26:00 - [297] Originally by: TRIGGER good luck cls and ddc , both good corps in their own right and will at some point make their home safe for their members ..... one way or another There is just one way ¼©¼ a history
Obidios	Posted - 2005.05.03 10:38:00 - [298] Originally by: Crohnx yea hes back BTW, CLS.. I'm sure if you ask DMZ he'll remove the losses part of your killboard, you obviously don't need(use) it. -----------------
Gungankllr	Posted - 2005.05.03 10:44:00 - [299] Edited by: Gungankllr on 03/05/2005 10:46:24 Xetic has/had a huge member count, but as previously addressed, some of the fleet commanders and alliance administrators couldn't get a good majority of them to stop NPCing and Mining or get out of Empire to help defend their territory. (As least that's how I have come to understand it) Edit: was supposed to quote Lucian as to how an alliance with 4k members can't kill everything in PVP www.hadean.org
Riddari	Posted - 2005.05.03 10:44:00 - [300] Originally by: Obidios Originally by: Crohnx yea hes back BTW, CLS.. I'm sure if you ask DMZ he'll remove the losses part of your killboard, you obviously don't need(use) it. WTB: Reading comprehension 101 for Obidios ¼©¼ a history
Loka	Posted - 2005.05.03 10:55:00 - [301] Edited by: Loka on 03/05/2005 10:56:57 Well it looks like that the majority of XF think they would waste their online time defending their home. Instead they could mine scordite or do some Agents, isnt that much more effeicient, than to fight a foe, you never have choosen. Or a foe who will kill you over and over again. This is the problem with carebears as part of Alliances. They are parasite of the alliance and must be removed. After this the new Xetic will be stronger, but also slimmer iam sure. But only if they will be able to hold together and keep the alliance alive, even as small unity. If the corps will start loosing their fate and believe in the alliance, then and only then the alliance is dead. But the carebear parasite are helping a lot here. Number count nothing, if you havent count them on the battlefield! _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Hastrabull	Posted - 2005.05.03 11:01:00 - [302] this is number 1 and 2... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.05.03 12:10:00 - [303] I find it rather funny trying to predict which corps will and won't join this Ascendancy group. So far, i've yet to fail... HINT: Try checking which corps post here and which dont. Btw Hast,you're not getting my 20million for this. NOTE: That was meant positive, before anyone jumps the gun. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Xenuchrist	Posted - 2005.05.03 12:52:00 - [304] Originally by: Elve Sorrow I find it rather funny trying to predict which corps will and won't join this Ascendancy group. So far, i've yet to fail... HINT: Try checking which corps post here and which dont. It wasn't that hard really, if one knew who used to hang out with who. (And where.) "In human stupidity, when it is not malicious, there is something very touching, even beautiful... There always is." /Tolstoy
pringprang	Posted - 2005.05.03 12:55:00 - [305] Edited by: pringprang on 03/05/2005 12:55:53 <---- Points to new ticker Our forum access for the Xetic boards has been removed so I'll say a bit of what I wanted to say there right here. It was quite sad leaving Xetic. I was a proud member and I loved being part of an alliance that repsected everyone's playstyle no matter what it was. That has been its biggest weakness though. No one had to come help defend our 0.0 space. It's frustrating as hell when you know your alliance has enough people to fight back and survive but too many people are indifferent to how many stations were lost that day and need to be retaken. Our corp fought everyday, all day, with everything and everyone we had. DDC and CLS decided that enough was enough and station-pong was not going to stay fun for however many weeks it would take the 5 to get bored. CoRM was proud to be invited into the new alliance and glad for the opportunity. We look forward to helping to establish a strong, united, and fun alliance in the south. CoRM is not a pvp corp and we are not a mining corp- we are a 0.0 corp and impass is our home. Gl to Xetic and 3 cheers for Ascendant Frontier. We rock!
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.05.03 13:06:00 - [306] Sad to see the alliance I was part of establishing long ago go down like this. It may not be over in name, but I fear that XF's presence in 0.0 space is, as is it's dream of becoming the first player nation out in 0.0 space. Of course, it was inevitable, it does suprise me it took this long, which says alot about the stamina of parts of XF. My old corp CTEC left Xetic Alliance out of anger with the overly political and defensive stance against Evolution and Stain at that time (oh, the irony ), and joined Curse Alliance. It seems the culmination of what was started there is found right here and now in a way. Again, sorry to see you go, but far from suprised. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Crohnx	Posted - 2005.05.03 14:36:00 - [307] Originally by: mahhy Originally by: CYVOK It just went active today. It will take awhile for us to get it 100% updated with historic info and get everyone used to using it. Already used it to update ours with some losses people seem to have "forgotten". I'll keep an eye on it since I prefer to have ours as accurate as possible. Theres a lot of historical losses for you guys you could pull from ours if you'd like Ok we copied all death mails from CLS in last 3 weeks from your killboards , now everything we lost in that period is posted and im sori if we hurt someones feelings with our losses not being posted...but as Cyvok said killboard is 2 days old and we are workin as fast as we can to update all things. Thank u for your understanding , over and out http://cls.killboard.net
Nepereta	Posted - 2005.05.03 15:01:00 - [308] I too enjoyed my time in Xetic. I regret that its ending. We had lots of ideas about democracy and society. I think we ended up with something that was rather 'knotty' and 'unworkable'. There are lots of ideas , motions and roles that get passed around in XF. But not a lot of 'public service' of any kind to enact them.
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.05.03 15:15:00 - [309] Edited by: Zandramus on 03/05/2005 15:15:52 Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 03/05/2005 10:46:24 Xetic has/had a huge member count, but as previously addressed, some of the fleet commanders and alliance administrators couldn't get a good majority of them to stop NPCing and Mining or get out of Empire to help defend their territory. (As least that's how I have come to understand it) Edit: was supposed to quote Lucian as to how an alliance with 4k members can't kill everything in PVP Thats the problem with some alliances now, 200 peeps in alliance chat and you cant get 10 of them to show up to a call of arms. In my oppinion the ones who dont show up need to be kos, that would fix that problem. This is the reason I left Stain, we had plenty of people in alliance if they all even came out in tech 1 frigs, but you couldnt get 10 of them to do that in the US eastern Evening times to do that and , you had hostile groups just walking all over your territory with impunity. In my oppinion, those carebears can move back to empire and never come back to 0.0 beacuse they dont deserve to be there. Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
Paddy Murphy	Posted - 2005.05.03 15:33:00 - [310] Originally by: Krapz Well, I just got back from taking the weekend off, and look at all this. I don't know how it gets topped tbh. My brother and I went to the Rangers/Red Sox game, Johnny Damon (Jesus Himself) throws me a baseball, Sox win 6-5, and we leave XF. Sounds like a really full weekend. No, you can't touch my "Jesus" ball Long live Johnny of Nazareth! ***
Nepereta	Posted - 2005.05.03 16:23:00 - [311] Edited by: Nepereta on 03/05/2005 16:35:09 Originally by: Zandramus Edited by: Zandramus on 03/05/2005 15:15:52 Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 03/05/2005 10:46:24 Xetic has/had a huge member count, but as previously addressed, some of the fleet commanders and alliance administrators couldn't get a good majority of them to stop NPCing and Mining or get out of Empire to help defend their territory. (As least that's how I have come to understand it) Edit: was supposed to quote Lucian as to how an alliance with 4k members can't kill everything in PVP Thats the problem with some alliances now, 200 peeps in alliance chat and you cant get 10 of them to show up to a call of arms. In my oppinion the ones who dont show up need to be kos, that would fix that problem. This is the reason I left Stain, we had plenty of people in alliance if they all even came out in tech 1 frigs, but you couldnt get 10 of them to do that in the US eastern Evening times to do that and , you had hostile groups just walking all over your territory with impunity. In my oppinion, those carebears can move back to empire and never come back to 0.0 beacuse they dont deserve to be there. Zandramus XF wasn't like that dude, XF was all about inclusiveness and building a society of all fairly lawful peoples (irrespective whether they hid in empire). There was virtually no internal policing of any kind (biggest things that would get said was STOP ROID POPPING or ROID POPPING IS OK). We where trying to build a civilisation but perhaps we would be better starting out as a tribe like many of the other groupings in this galaxy. ALSO XF numbers are kinda bloated we would get perhaps 10% on line of that 4k tops. To many corps where bloated with attics and lumber rooms full of old alts and characters who have long since left. The voting system XF had hasn't helped this.
Takrolimus	Posted - 2005.05.03 17:05:00 - [312] Originally by: Nepereta Edited by: Nepereta on 03/05/2005 16:35:09 Originally by: Zandramus Edited by: Zandramus on 03/05/2005 15:15:52 Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 03/05/2005 10:46:24 Xetic has/had a huge member count, but as previously addressed, some of the fleet commanders and alliance administrators couldn't get a good majority of them to stop NPCing and Mining or get out of Empire to help defend their territory. (As least that's how I have come to understand it) Edit: was supposed to quote Lucian as to how an alliance with 4k members can't kill everything in PVP Thats the problem with some alliances now, 200 peeps in alliance chat and you cant get 10 of them to show up to a call of arms. In my oppinion the ones who dont show up need to be kos, that would fix that problem. This is the reason I left Stain, we had plenty of people in alliance if they all even came out in tech 1 frigs, but you couldnt get 10 of them to do that in the US eastern Evening times to do that and , you had hostile groups just walking all over your territory with impunity. In my oppinion, those carebears can move back to empire and never come back to 0.0 beacuse they dont deserve to be there. Zandramus XF wasn't like that dude, XF was all about inclusiveness and building a society of all fairly lawful peoples (irrespective whether they hid in empire). There was virtually no internal policing of any kind (biggest things that would get said was STOP ROID POPPING or ROID POPPING IS OK). We where trying to build a civilisation but perhaps we would be better starting out as a tribe like many of the other groupings in this galaxy. ALSO XF numbers are kinda bloated we would get perhaps 10% on line of that 4k tops. To many corps where bloated with attics and lumber rooms full of old alts and characters who have long since left. The voting system XF had hasn't helped this. I look at what we hated about CA, and the xSE corps hated about SE and see it reflected One hundredfold in XETIC. Civil Service in Space would be a better name. It was a grand plan, unfortunately, a flawed one.
Vladimer	Posted - 2005.05.03 20:25:00 - [313] GL CLS DDC GJ.I just wanted too say that the reason i left Xetic was bcause only 25% of Xetic members were figting the war in 0.0,XF could have ended this in a few days but manpower was needed to put an end to this. I loved the alliance but lack of standing up for theyr home it must have come too this in the end. The ppl that fought for Xetic deserve honor for trying for the whole alliance I fought many battles and there are some good cmdrs in CLS i worked with like Cronhx it was a pleasure working with you GL guys...
Karandras Hunter	Posted - 2005.05.03 20:40:00 - [314] Good luck Out there ddc, been joking about u taking all of impass for ur own with my old mates from ddc, this was about a week ago when u controlled 2 outta the 3 stations Just Kill and Die with Honour All Lies Lead To The Truth!!!
Gossip	Posted - 2005.05.03 20:59:00 - [315] When we declared on CA, we had gangs everyday @ any moment off the day. All people were there. The war was over and so was the total support off most corps. when a other war was oppon us we had problems raising the numbers we needed to defend ourselves, people didnt seem to care and just flew hauliers afk. There was even a moment a XF haulier was killed and was carrying a T2 BPO ... From that day on I lost faith in XF. Lateron when flying in a XF gang was russian roulette, leading on was despizing the gods. A few min before I heard off our departure we had a PH member in our gang telling us about a vote to stay or to leave. Alto I was disappointed to hear they maybe were gonna leave, I fully understood why they were thinking about it. Than corp chat exploted, we were gonna leave XF and form a new alliance with some other corpses. OMG I was relieved, happy...Morale was boosted bigtime. Regrets? No, I had good times in it, but it almot forced me to leave the cool corp I was in (Alliance channel was a CCP bug). I will miss some great corpses we had in XF. To name just one close to me was MAZA. Ill never forget flying the 50 jumps to groupup with you guys and the later gangs. I can fully understand that people are ****ed off us leaving, but than again.. a few corpses less shouldn't be a problem or I am missing the big picture here. I pitty those I called friends to see flaming, ranting and worse. XF gl get out off the barges and defend.. ASCN lets rock ---- The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless. For if it is formless, no spy can discern it nor the wise make plans against it. Sun Tzu, the art of war
Arimas Talasko	Posted - 2005.05.03 21:11:00 - [316] Originally by: Gossip When we declared on CA, we had gangs everyday @ any moment off the day. All people were there. The war was over and so was the total support off most corps. when a other war was oppon us we had problems raising the numbers we needed to defend ourselves, people didnt seem to care and just flew hauliers afk. There was even a moment a XF haulier was killed and was carrying a T2 BPO ... From that day on I lost faith in XF. Lateron when flying in a XF gang was russian roulette, leading on was despizing the gods. A few min before I heard off our departure we had a PH member in our gang telling us about a vote to stay or to leave. Alto I was disappointed to hear they maybe were gonna leave, I fully understood why they were thinking about it. Than corp chat exploted, we were gonna leave XF and form a new alliance with some other corpses. OMG I was relieved, happy...Morale was boosted bigtime. Regrets? No, I had good times in it, but it almot forced me to leave the cool corp I was in (Alliance channel was a CCP bug). I will miss some great corpses we had in XF. To name just one close to me was MAZA. Ill never forget flying the 50 jumps to groupup with you guys and the later gangs. I can fully understand that people are ****ed off us leaving, but than again.. a few corpses less shouldn't be a problem or I am missing the big picture here. I pitty those I called friends to see flaming, ranting and worse. XF gl get out off the barges and defend.. ASCN lets rock I appreciate the sentiments behind your post but please, it's Corps, not Corpses. Reading "corpses" twenty times out of context was just a bit too weird for me :) Supremacy Keepin it Real
FowlPlayChiken	Posted - 2005.05.04 01:45:00 - [317] good luck to ya mate. bawk at ya old xetic guys, had fun fighting against ya in the foe>xetic war. peace
Sceartan	Posted - 2005.05.04 02:05:00 - [318] Crohnx, if you notice some of our members not posting losses, please evemail so I can pull out the 2x4" training stick of wood. Our killboard is not in place to boast about kills, its in place to keep track of our engagements (HA! Surprise on that one) so for our members to post kills and not losses is not acceptable. I think everyone who is a skilled/experienced/mature PvP'er knows that killboard stats are rubbish and are not a proper indication of who is winning a war. To be honest, I primarily use our killboard to poke losses at people who loose ships, including myself Oh and to get back on topic.. GG Ascendant Frontier!
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.05.04 02:56:00 - [319] Edited by: KSUDruid on 04/05/2005 03:08:07 Since we've been kind of chatting about this in the thread here, so I'll pitch in. Whatever the killboards are, whatever the political reasons are, I wanted to let all the MASS, Species, Solar Wind, IGS, Redemption, Storm Guard, Red Alliance (where the f--- did you guys come from today, lol) Thank you ALL so much. I've had more fun fighting you all these past 3 days, blowing each other up and stuff, than I've had in a long time in EVE. It's reminded me of the first few days of the CA/XF empire war last december, just fighting almost non-stop all in one place. An absolute blast is being had by everyone in DDC/CLS and our friends down there. w00t! (edited for typos) -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
Sceartan	Posted - 2005.05.04 03:21:00 - [320] Originally by: KSUDruid Edited by: KSUDruid on 04/05/2005 03:08:07 Since we've been kind of chatting about this in the thread here, so I'll pitch in. Whatever the killboards are, whatever the political reasons are, I wanted to let all the MASS, Species, Solar Wind, IGS, Redemption, Storm Guard, Red Alliance (where the f--- did you guys come from today, lol) Thank you ALL so much. I've had more fun fighting you all these past 3 days, blowing each other up and stuff, than I've had in a long time in EVE. It's reminded me of the first few days of the CA/XF empire war last december, just fighting almost non-stop all in one place. An absolute blast is being had by everyone in DDC/CLS and our friends down there. I don't speak for the other corps but I can without a doubt say that everyone in MASS feels exactly the same way. Personally I've never enjoyed Eve so much as I have then in the past month. From the big fleet engagements, to the run past stations, to hunting down people throughout the systems in Feyth and to even shooting that damn station (surely it must be well and truly dead by now) it has been a blast! It's reminded me how much fun this game can be with the social elements of real people added in. Even when we're out blobbed, hiding in safespots or logged, TS is full of people all having a great chat. We've also had great chats to you guys in local without the smack (I know, people probably won't believe a local without smack but it does happen on occasion). Even though this conflict hasn't had its best points in terms of politics and whorum flames, it's a testament to CCP that the people they attract into this game are here for more than just a quick kill. Where else would you pay your hard earned real life dollars to spend most of the time safespotted, logged or recharging a station . As reeltor said in TS just last night, "For a game where I spend 95% of my time doing nothing.. it's damn addictive".
FireFox McProwler	Posted - 2005.05.04 04:32:00 - [321] I enjoyed all the battles no matter how grim it looked for DDC/CLS before the new alliance. The best part was assisting with the planning of attacks against the enemy fleet as I am the eye in the sky. I hope that the numbers get even again so the fights are more even ^.^
Ackath	Posted - 2005.05.04 08:11:00 - [322] Originally by: FireFox McProwler I hope that the numbers get even again so the fights are more even ^.^ We hope so too
Rosy Ferrari	Posted - 2005.05.04 08:22:00 - [323] Originally by: Sceartan "For a game where I spend 95% of my time doing nothing.. it's damn addictive". Word
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2005.05.04 08:23:00 - [324] &#"/%#"%(="#! Wrong character Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2005.05.04 08:57:00 - [325] Originally by: Taz Devlin &#"/%#"%(="#! Wrong character Now is it me, or are you back in SWC? I somehow remember you being in an other corp, nice to have ya in SWC \o/ all the old names, all the old corps, to much alchol: it all gets me sooo confused.
Swadey	Posted - 2005.05.04 14:54:00 - [326] Yes Very good game by all, hope Xf can get there act together to stay alive as such.. good fights with u cls guys even when a 20 + blob jumps through a gate ontop of my covert.. dam nr s**t myself .. we was in a LAN center sat night and the whole MASS gang was sitting on my shoulders as i picked my way out to safety... fantastic.
Hessex Kaltenbrunner	Posted - 2005.05.04 15:35:00 - [327] All i would like to say for my part is that i got sick and tired of being called a warmoanger while i was calling for help to protect Immensea, while the hundreds of "allies" were safely mining in empire. I got tired of coments like "we are a trade and commercial alliance" and that "we should hire mercenaries to fight for us!!!" I guess thats what CLS and DDC, Black Lance and MAZA where considered by the rest of our former industrial "allies". And to make things worst, we where mercenaries for free, the bad warmoangering ones! This game offers great excitments. PVP is the ultimate one, and many players should be encouraged to fight, instead of taking advantage of ISK power and hire mecrs. It was for those few corporations fighting,that the rest of the Xetic could have access to 0.0. But its ok, XETIC has a lot of money to hire mercs. a lot of people are enjoying mining, to pay mercs for the boring and unwanted PvP. After all, XETIC is an commercial/trade alliance, remember! PROUD MEMBER OF MAZA CORPORATION
Tanathka Beta	Posted - 2005.05.04 18:42:00 - [328] Edited by: Tanathka Beta on 04/05/2005 18:42:51 Far Reach Systems wishes your alliance its Best Wishes for the future.
Tauge	Posted - 2005.05.04 18:52:00 - [329] Edited by: Tauge on 04/05/2005 19:08:28 While, I understand most of the reasons for CLS and DDC leaving the alliance, there is one part in all this that has been bothering me and that is the part about poor leadership. Now, I don't know about the old Government, I wasn't a member then, but I do know about the new one. The three members of the Government that I knew of were Cordy, CYVOK, and KSUDruid, as President, VP, and MoD(I think correct me if I'm wrong) respectively. You three were the leadership, so if you had problems with the leadership you can only blame yourselves. This is my only issue with your entire statement, well except for the fact that we learned about this from the 5 and not from you. It would have been better if you told us first, but there is nothing we can do about that now.I understand why you guys felt the need to leave, but it would have been nicer to hear it from you instead of our current enemies. At any rate, good luck in your future endeavors.
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.05.04 19:45:00 - [330] Originally by: Tauge Edited by: Tauge on 04/05/2005 19:08:28 While, I understand most of the reasons for CLS and DDC leaving the alliance, there is one part in all this that has been bothering me and that is the part about poor leadership. Now, I don't know about the old Government, I wasn't a member then, but I do know about the new one. The three members of the Government that I knew of were Cordy, CYVOK, and KSUDruid, as President, VP, and MoD(I think correct me if I'm wrong) respectively. You three were the leadership, so if you had problems with the leadership you can only blame yourselves. This is my only issue with your entire statement, well except for the fact that we learned about this from the 5 and not from you. It would have been better if you told us first, but there is nothing we can do about that now.I understand why you guys felt the need to leave, but it would have been nicer to hear it from you instead of our current enemies. At any rate, good luck in your future endeavors. As I said in a previous post, I don't believe the majority of the problems wer cause by the 'leaders' but an unwillingness from most people to be 'lead'. This and the fact that every decision was reviewed and torn apart by a weekly council, and if you wanted to get anything done, you needed to propose a motion to the council, have it seconded, then wait until Saturday for them to debate the motion, decide if they wanted it, then sometimes even then put it forth for 'further discussion'. This is not a good recipe when decisions need to be made. As for [5] posting it first, I believe what happened was while we were still trying to get everything sorted out, [5] jumped the gun and announced it. As most know, they tend to say and do what they wish and don't really ask anyone's permission first, and so that announcement was outside our control. Besides, I'm pretty sure we didn't want to post it as a motion, get it seconded and then wait a week for it to be voted on at council.
Beringe	Posted - 2005.05.05 01:06:00 - [331] Originally by: Adhamhnon This and the fact that every decision was reviewed and torn apart by a weekly council, and if you wanted to get anything done, you needed to propose a motion to the council, have it seconded, then wait until Saturday for them to debate the motion, decide if they wanted it, then sometimes even then put it forth for 'further discussion'. This is not a good recipe when decisions need to be made. I disagree with that. I think that when you have an alliance of that size, democracy is the only way to go. Of course it will always be time-consuming, and it is impossible to please everyone, but you'd get far worse controversy if somebody would just decide everything for everybody. No, if there was anything that made XF split, it was size. It just takes too much effort to keep an organization of that size together(I'm quite frankly amazed that CLS is as big as it is...probably only because of the dedication put into it by the leadership). ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Soulis	Posted - 2005.05.05 01:10:00 - [332] Originally by: Tanathka Beta Edited by: Tanathka Beta on 04/05/2005 18:42:51 Far Reach Systems wishes your alliance its Best Wishes for the future. howdy tan! yeah red eye inc wishies you's guys the best only cuz my old friends are with you hail corm
F'nog	Posted - 2005.05.05 04:57:00 - [333] Actually, the best way to govern a large group is with an autocrat. This is what happened to Rome. It was too big to be governed solely by its Senate. You can also read more about this in Dune (or Star Wars). Large organizations require someone in the lead who can make command decisions and not have to wade through a never-ending beauracracy. XF had great leaders, but every time they wanted to get something done, the Council whined non-stop until it was brought before them so they could argue over the action and so water it down that nothing was really accomplished.
V Type	Posted - 2005.05.05 11:09:00 - [334] Enough with all the democracy already - I want someone to set up an alliance that has a "yes" in the dictatorial box. "You mine!" "You fight!" and "You make tea!"
Nytemaster	Posted - 2005.05.05 20:51:00 - [335] Originally by: Beringe Originally by: Adhamhnon This and the fact that every decision was reviewed and torn apart by a weekly council, and if you wanted to get anything done, you needed to propose a motion to the council, have it seconded, then wait until Saturday for them to debate the motion, decide if they wanted it, then sometimes even then put it forth for 'further discussion'. This is not a good recipe when decisions need to be made. I disagree with that. I think that when you have an alliance of that size, democracy is the only way to go. Of course it will always be time-consuming, and it is impossible to please everyone, but you'd get far worse controversy if somebody would just decide everything for everybody. No, if there was anything that made XF split, it was size. It just takes too much effort to keep an organization of that size together(I'm quite frankly amazed that CLS is as big as it is...probably only because of the dedication put into it by the leadership). Sounds like you need an election with a President who has some teeth during wartime and less powers during peace. Someone who can take the reigns when need be but not necessarily a dictator. You need a few ranks of players with these powers so at least one of them can be on at all times but a diffinitive command structure so that when one guy logs on he is in charge automatically. Nytemaster
Zardock	Posted - 2005.05.05 23:17:00 - [336] looks at thread views counter Map sticky, here we come!
Drakma	Posted - 2005.05.06 03:23:00 - [337] Edited by: Drakma on 06/05/2005 03:27:39 Originally by: Beringe No, if there was anything that made XF split, it was size. It just takes too much effort to keep an organization of that size together(I'm quite frankly amazed that CLS is as big as it is...probably only because of the dedication put into it by the leadership). Sorry, if there was anything that made XF split, it was the 10% of members that were defending the other 90% were tired of defending. Those 90% that just sit in alliance chat, no talking for fear of recognition as a real human... those 90% that say, "Oh, I can only fit Miner II's." those 90% that, "have to log in 10 minutes." those 90% that log the second you see them mining 2 jumps from a fight... When it takes 4 hours to raise 15 people to help defend a region, something is seriously wrong. The whole problem arises from the fact that (much like Adhamhnon said) people within XF did not want to be lead. So, here's to you leaching alliance members! cheers. To all the rest of you that I KNOW fought. Congrats, good fighting, I wish you the best of luck. PS - Let this serve as the offical "We're getting the heck outta XF" statement for NMM. We're staying in Feythabolis with the 10%. (of course props go out to E-R, MAZA NOSTRA, Black Lance, etc...)
Ingeldorf Grond	Posted - 2005.05.06 10:09:00 - [338] I Think its easy to lead when there are people there that are willing to fight. Apparently, XETIC 90% was willing to mine, leaving the rest (DDC - CLS - MAZA - Black Lance - E-R to fight everyone else and keep it nice and clean. XETIC seems like a fat rich slow moving kid with lots of money in the pocket.
DeathMiner	Posted - 2005.05.06 11:07:00 - [339] Originally by: Ingeldorf Grond I Think its easy to lead when there are people there that are willing to fight. Apparently, XETIC 90% was willing to mine, leaving the rest (DDC - CLS - MAZA - Black Lance - E-R to fight everyone else and keep it nice and clean. XETIC seems like a fat rich slow moving kid with lots of money in the pocket. Lest with a fat kid you can beat him, and take the cash :( But we a free now, and have our own space... LONG is Democracy. Short is Life.. Have FUN [ 2005.04.19 04-51-57 ] (combat) Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes thebold's Luxury Yacht, wrecking for 1100.9 damage.
Calanen	Posted - 2005.05.06 12:14:00 - [340] Originally by: Lucian Alucard Josh I would like to thank you for continually making my corp history look good. On another topic, Why does Xetic have 4k people and is falling apart? I just don't understand it u could blob everyone to death in t1 frigs and lag out half of eve if you wanted,yet ur getting creamed,an honorless victory is still a bleedin victory. If you don't want to die,fight,change,COPE with the fact you will find war wherever you go in this game with 5k combat mods and two thirds of the ships in this game being combat ships get the hint send out a memo do whatever it takes just fight,if not to win but to at least go out in style. If you don't even try then you deserved to die from the get go. Kudos to AF for at least trying to scrape out an existance. You can't make people do what they don't want to do, not effectively at the alliance leadership level. There was great resistance to keeping records or becoming organised. There were too many snakes that hid in the long grass. You'd see 400 and change on alliance channel, and ask for assistance, but you'd never know who was really there or where they were to collar them. There was little willingness of certain corps and people to assist. And if you ever tried to pin anyone down about it they'd scream about how they single handledly led a fleet and killed 100s of enemy bses 'just last night!' So everyone said they were helping - but percentage wise few really were. I would see people doing missions whenever I was briefly in Empire, and you'd try and get assistance for fleets - but there was always some excuse. I'd say we need your help, come help: 1. Sorry I'd like to but I have no bookmarks (ok ill escrow you some now) ok but.......... 2. Sorry I'd like to but I have no ship (STK will escrow you one at cost or cruisers and frigs for free). Ok then but.......... 3. Sorry I'd like to but I have no modules for the ship (STK will give you the modules for the ship for free) ok then but.......... 4. I don't know how to PVP (Just get in any ship and do exactly what you are told) I dont have a microphone for ts (buy one from Kmart they are like 10 bucks), I don't know how TS works or the server IP (stickies/posts placed everywhere with IP, registration details and exactly how to use the thing (its not rocket science), ok then but........ And finally: 5. I'm logging, can't wake my girlfriend, the baby, the neighbours............ (headphones?) Basically anything to avoid assisting. And each excuse that was countered was met with a further excuse. The real reason - putting aside all the bs was this - 'I want to mine/do missions and make money for me only, and I don't care about you so why would I fight with or for you?' So with an Empire made up of mostly free riders, and CEOs of certain corps who were unwilling to twist the arms of those free riders, there was only ever disaster. Each individual corp needs to get its members to do their part. But there were certain corps that always felt that the magical someone else would be involved in the war effort while they could keep doing things just for themselves. Its the old free rider paradigm, why contribute to the cost of building the lighthouse, when you can wait until its built and use it for free? The fact is that some people prefer to never leave the station and build stuff. Others prefer to only leave the station and do missions. You cant fight a war like that. But, for us at least, its now all someone else's problem.
V Type	Posted - 2005.05.06 16:07:00 - [341] Quote: You can't make people do what they don't want to do, not effectively at the alliance leadership level. There was great resistance to keeping records or becoming organised. There were too many snakes that hid in the long grass. You'd see 400 and change on alliance channel, and ask for assistance, but you'd never know who was really there or where they were to collar them. There was little willingness of certain corps and people to assist. And if you ever tried to pin anyone down about it they'd scream about how they single handledly led a fleet and killed 100s of enemy bses 'just last night!' So everyone said they were helping - but percentage wise few really were. I would see people doing missions whenever I was briefly in Empire, and you'd try and get assistance for fleets - but there was always some excuse. I'd say we need your help, come help: 1. Sorry I'd like to but I have no bookmarks (ok ill escrow you some now) ok but.......... 2. Sorry I'd like to but I have no ship (STK will escrow you one at cost or cruisers and frigs for free). Ok then but.......... 3. Sorry I'd like to but I have no modules for the ship (STK will give you the modules for the ship for free) ok then but.......... 4. I don't know how to PVP (Just get in any ship and do exactly what you are told) I dont have a microphone for ts (buy one from Kmart they are like 10 bucks), I don't know how TS works or the server IP (stickies/posts placed everywhere with IP, registration details and exactly how to use the thing (its not rocket science), ok then but........ And finally: 5. I'm logging, can't wake my girlfriend, the baby, the neighbours............ (headphones?) Basically anything to avoid assisting. And each excuse that was countered was met with a further excuse. The real reason - putting aside all the bs was this - 'I want to mine/do missions and make money for me only, and I don't care about you so why would I fight with or for you?' So with an Empire made up of mostly free riders, and CEOs of certain corps who were unwilling to twist the arms of those free riders, there was only ever disaster. Each individual corp needs to get its members to do their part. But there were certain corps that always felt that the magical someone else would be involved in the war effort while they could keep doing things just for themselves. Its the old free rider paradigm, why contribute to the cost of building the lighthouse, when you can wait until its built and use it for free? The fact is that some people prefer to never leave the station and build stuff. Others prefer to only leave the station and do missions. You cant fight a war like that. But, for us at least, its now all someone else's problem. You forgot the other fundamental, underlying reasoning associated with this type of player and that is the overiding fear of losing their implants - a fear that imo stops so many people fully enjoying the game. Lose the implants peeps it's liberating! Or alternatively devote 2 days training to an alt so they can sramble and web in a frigate If you don't won't to lose the training time and can't afford a second subscription why not set up a temporary charcter using a free 14 day trial
FireFox McProwler	Posted - 2005.05.06 16:47:00 - [342] Originally by: Calanen Originally by: Lucian Alucard Josh I would like to thank you for continually making my corp history look good. On another topic, Why does Xetic have 4k people and is falling apart? I just don't understand it u could blob everyone to death in t1 frigs and lag out half of eve if you wanted,yet ur getting creamed,an honorless victory is still a bleedin victory. If you don't want to die,fight,change,COPE with the fact you will find war wherever you go in this game with 5k combat mods and two thirds of the ships in this game being combat ships get the hint send out a memo do whatever it takes just fight,if not to win but to at least go out in style. If you don't even try then you deserved to die from the get go. Kudos to AF for at least trying to scrape out an existance. You can't make people do what they don't want to do, not effectively at the alliance leadership level. There was great resistance to keeping records or becoming organised. There were too many snakes that hid in the long grass. You'd see 400 and change on alliance channel, and ask for assistance, but you'd never know who was really there or where they were to collar them. There was little willingness of certain corps and people to assist. And if you ever tried to pin anyone down about it they'd scream about how they single handledly led a fleet and killed 100s of enemy bses 'just last night!' So everyone said they were helping - but percentage wise few really were. I would see people doing missions whenever I was briefly in Empire, and you'd try and get assistance for fleets - but there was always some excuse. I'd say we need your help, come help: 1. Sorry I'd like to but I have no bookmarks (ok ill escrow you some now) ok but.......... 2. Sorry I'd like to but I have no ship (STK will escrow you one at cost or cruisers and frigs for free). Ok then but.......... 3. Sorry I'd like to but I have no modules for the ship (STK will give you the modules for the ship for free) ok then but.......... 4. I don't know how to PVP (Just get in any ship and do exactly what you are told) I dont have a microphone for ts (buy one from Kmart they are like 10 bucks), I don't know how TS works or the server IP (stickies/posts placed everywhere with IP, registration details and exactly how to use the thing (its not rocket science), ok then but........ And finally: 5. I'm logging, can't wake my girlfriend, the baby, the neighbours............ (headphones?) Basically anything to avoid assisting. And each excuse that was countered was met with a further excuse. The real reason - putting aside all the bs was this - 'I want to mine/do missions and make money for me only, and I don't care about you so why would I fight with or for you?' So with an Empire made up of mostly free riders, and CEOs of certain corps who were unwilling to twist the arms of those free riders, there was only ever disaster. Each individual corp needs to get its members to do their part. But there were certain corps that always felt that the magical someone else would be involved in the war effort while they could keep doing things just for themselves. Its the old free rider paradigm, why contribute to the cost of building the lighthouse, when you can wait until its built and use it for free? The fact is that some people prefer to never leave the station and build stuff. Others prefer to only leave the station and do missions. You cant fight a war like that. But, for us at least, its now all someone else's problem. Agree I was leading a 500 person alliance in Lineage 2. You can expect a %50 turn out of members at one time on average of you got dedicated people. If Xetic has 4k members... I feel at times only %10 whee around. It was amusing to see only 150-250 people in alliance channel. The overall lack of willpower to do anything is what brought Xetic to its knees. That is why I am quite happy to see everyone in Xetic get a slap in the face when people broke off and did there own thing. From what I was seeing that the 3 leadership members that left saw the lack of willpower in Xetic after tring to prod people to do something. Thats why we desided to pick up and move on in my opinion. I was getting a kick out of how people in Xetic wanted to go after CLS/DDC when they left Xetic. I feel if they want there "clamed" areas back then they can send a fleet down. While that the 5 can march around in there space n take it over. I have my money on the 5 on controling Xetic space in a month or so.
Calanen	Posted - 2005.05.07 06:40:00 - [343] Quote: I was getting a kick out of how people in Xetic wanted to go after CLS/DDC when they left Xetic. We'll have to get ready to meet the 3 man onlsaught that actually shows up for that operation. Going by previous efforts, the 'battle fleet' that appears will consist of 2 people in frigs, 1 person in a bs who just happened to be passing through on his way back to empire, no commanders with 1 person on TS by himself asking the other two without microphones to log in. It will be absolute wtfpwnage! The best excuse ever for not using TS was a guy who said that he liked to light candles and play classical music when he listened to Eve, and TS broke his 'ambience'.........
FireFox McProwler	Posted - 2005.05.07 08:36:00 - [344] Originally by: Calanen Quote: I was getting a kick out of how people in Xetic wanted to go after CLS/DDC when they left Xetic. We'll have to get ready to meet the 3 man onlsaught that actually shows up for that operation. Going by previous efforts, the 'battle fleet' that appears will consist of 2 people in frigs, 1 person in a bs who just happened to be passing through on his way back to empire, no commanders with 1 person on TS by himself asking the other two without microphones to log in. It will be absolute wtfpwnage! The best excuse ever for not using TS was a guy who said that he liked to light candles and play classical music when he listened to Eve, and TS broke his 'ambience'......... Spock!
MuthaTrucka	Posted - 2005.05.07 23:15:00 - [345] Ok I am going to Post this 1 time..... Accusations of Stealing By Xetic are completly Unfounded. If it was in Feythabolis or Impass it was Not stealing it was Nationalizing. Nationalization 4tW! LONG LIVE THE KING! \0/ --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. --------------- [ Internally Yours foyle, MT ]
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2005.05.07 23:25:00 - [346] Best of luck CLS and DDC __________ HC MasiEEE
Beringe	Posted - 2005.05.08 06:09:00 - [347] Originally by: Nytemaster Sounds like you need an election with a President who has some teeth during wartime and less powers during peace. Someone who can take the reigns when need be but not necessarily a dictator. You need a few ranks of players with these powers so at least one of them can be on at all times but a diffinitive command structure so that when one guy logs on he is in charge automatically. That sounds about right. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Mr Jack	Posted - 2005.05.08 06:43:00 - [348] 23 thousand reads so soon, wow.
shivan	Posted - 2005.05.11 05:23:00 - [349] Originally by: Coasterbrian Originally by: FalloutBoy Edited by: FalloutBoy on 01/05/2005 23:59:10 well considering you don't even control the region you claim all I got to say is LOL Dude, take the smack somewhere else. This is an FYI thread, flames are not welcome. yes completly aggreed, smack is never welcomed unless both parties know each and can joke with it. --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
Sol'arium	Posted - 2005.05.11 23:54:00 - [350] 18 pages, is this a forum record?
Seleene	Posted - 2005.05.12 05:58:00 - [351] I'm reply 350!!! \o/ - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Jodax	Posted - 2005.05.12 06:31:00 - [352] Originally by: Seleene I'm reply 350!!! \o/ Aren't you supposed to be inside killing things, instead of out here bringing the dead back to life?
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.05.12 07:26:00 - [353] Post 353. If you like hold a 35 in a mirror, and look at it backwards it makes the other part to the 53. So it's like 353, and reflected and stuff. Wtf did I just say? -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
Crohnx	Posted - 2005.05.12 09:13:00 - [354] no clue druid but it felt like replyn to ya http://cls.killboard.net
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.05.12 10:12:00 - [355] Theres no way you guys can beat me. I initiated a 42 page thread about gallente bships in ships and modules but the bastage who started the mgeapulse nerf thread beat me. he had like 56 pages or sumin. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Seleene	Posted - 2005.05.12 11:36:00 - [356] Originally by: Darken Two Theres no way you guys can beat me. I initiated a 42 page thread about gallente bships in ships and modules but the bastage who started the mgeapulse nerf thread beat me. he had like 56 pages or sumin. I bet the missile changes thread takes the Gold before it's done... - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Canine Fiend	Posted - 2005.05.12 14:22:00 - [357] I wonder how much longer this will stay alive. More Death to this thread... ---------------------------------------------- Proud Member of Celestial Horizon Corp.
Philyus	Posted - 2005.05.12 18:12:00 - [358] Doesn't help that I keep bumping it. -------------------- I am easily confused. Leave me alone!
Drakma	Posted - 2005.05.12 18:15:00 - [359] What's bumping?
Krapz	Posted - 2005.05.12 18:34:00 - [360] 360 4tw! \o/ -- Insert cool graphics sig here --
Danks	Posted - 2005.05.12 18:41:00 - [361] We need some more alts to post in here and stir the pot.
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.05.12 19:49:00 - [362] I'm not an alt. But I can stir the pot. -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
Seleene	Posted - 2005.05.12 19:51:00 - [363] Originally by: KSUDruid I'm not an alt. But I can stir the pot. Druids suck. Rangers get the two-handed fighting feat for free. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
KSUDruid	Posted - 2005.05.12 19:54:00 - [364] Originally by: Seleene Druids suck. Rangers get the two-handed fighting feat for free. Ah yes, but can rangers turn into a wolf or something? No, of course not. pwned. -Druid "Civis Ascendant"
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.05.12 20:19:00 - [365] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: Seleene Druids suck. Rangers get the two-handed fighting feat for free. Ah yes, but can rangers turn into a wolf or something? No, of course not. pwned. Yeah but druids are tree hugging pansies.
Krapz	Posted - 2005.05.12 20:29:00 - [366] Mage on the crowd control, u both die. kthx -- Insert cool graphics sig here --
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.05.12 20:40:00 - [367] Originally by: Krapz Mage on the crowd control, u both die. kthx Rolls the dice to see who the winner is It's a tie! You're all geeks.
Hydroponica	Posted - 2005.05.12 20:59:00 - [368] Necromancer 4TW, he'll kill ya and bring you back as his undead minion ***********************************
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2005.05.12 21:00:00 - [369] Originally by: Hydroponica Necromancer 4TW, he'll kill ya and bring you back as his undead minion Noted... added to the geek list.
Zerodragoon	Posted - 2005.05.12 21:02:00 - [370] Good god, enough with the fourm spamming you losers -------
Padua	Posted - 2005.05.12 21:03:00 - [371] Originally by: Danks We need some more alts to post in here and stir the pot. Shortbread > Cookies
MeanWoobie	Posted - 2005.05.12 21:26:00 - [372] Originally by: Danks We need some more alts to post in here and stir the pot. Someone called? DDC sucks and stuff. There. pot stirred.
Seleene	Posted - 2005.05.13 10:48:00 - [373] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: Seleene Druids suck. Rangers get the two-handed fighting feat for free. Ah yes, but can rangers turn into a wolf or something? No, of course not. pwned. What's that? I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of your wolf-form being devoured in the jaws of my bonded animal companion, Mr. Giant Grizzly Bear, also known to my friends as "Pooh". What was this thread about, again? Something about spaceships? - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
David Goodwill	Posted - 2005.05.13 10:54:00 - [374] Originally by: Seleene Mr. Giant Grizzly Bear, also known to my friends as "Pooh". What was this thread about, again? Something about spaceships? Bah, Pooh is nothing compared to "Mr Cuddles" my badger of DOOOOOOOM!!!!oneone!!! Beware his rage! ----------------------------- Mating call of a pirate... "rarrggghhh, omg r0x0r, ph34r meeeee" Average age: 12..
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2005.05.13 11:20:00 - [375] /emote loads up Paladin (Shiny Righteous Blonde in Plate Panties), Divine Shields and Hearthstones out of this thread.. ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
Wolf Hound	Posted - 2005.05.13 11:29:00 - [376] Do I classify as an alt? Or just a jenquai explorer lost in the wrong game?
Riddari	Posted - 2005.05.13 13:59:00 - [377] I'm so out of my league having never played D&D, EnB, WOW, EQ, EQ2, SWG or whatever it is these people are talking about!... ¼©¼ a history
Drakma	Posted - 2005.05.13 14:27:00 - [378] /me rolls a 1 on his twenty-sided die, critically fumbling his forumwhoring ability.
Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2005.05.13 15:31:00 - [379] The thread has run its course. ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming)

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