To often people suggest arenas as single instances where honorable 1v1 PvP can not be visited by a third party. That is what people are against. Then they add in score boards and suddenly arena fighting is a thing.

Also the plexs do provide income in low sec but they are not camped like the high sec ones. Only a few systems away from Heild there is a 2/10 static in a high sec pocket that always has a random camped in it. End that not this.

Bump

Getting a bit annoyed with lack of response.

I just see a lot of sabre pilots ranges.

I can still recall that how I was disappointed as a noob pilot, when entered three 2/10s and saw only broken structures or empty cans.

Good job CCP, more chances to newbies, let the 2/10 camping sabres/dramiels get to low sec


To liars who talking about PVP: there are lots of FW sites there and they are much better place for 1v1 or small gang pvps than low-sec 2/10s, enjoy it or try to make up another reason to pull the high-sec veteran farms back.

Dirty Protagonist for CSM!

FW sites has actually becoming a more progress stable(No wait for re-spawn), relatively fair (according to ship type), and reward rich low-sec gameplay that will totally make the static complexes obsolete.

I find this argument interesting. Removing existing "arenas" is bad but reintroducing them would be a slippery slope towards something harmful?

Also technically everything in eve is a "dedicated place for pvp", I don't see how adding more variety of locations to pvp would be a bad thing.

To be very clear, this "no NPC" idea is just that, and idea. Don't anyone go getting your hopes up I just want to have a discussion on upsides and downsides.

...PvP Guy 3 camps the same system in a fotm frig, with two boosting alts in t3's POSed up.

In all seriousness, I do miss the quick fights these sites often provided, but I'd be lying if I said it was quality PvP or that they generated particularly good fights. MOst of the PvP problems would be solved if there were reasons to go to lowsec beyond capital/booster manufacturing, FW, and a handful of static PLEXes.

I don't know mate. I get what you're saying, but back in Heild, it was very rare for a fight to start there because 'some poor pve newbie got lost and thought he could make isk here'. It was always started because 'yo guys I feel like pvp I'm gonna get my destroyer/assault frig and warp to the plex at 50km, who wants to come?'

From that point on it became blobbing/people bringing bigger ships/lots of lulz, which is what you said too, but I'm just disagreeing about your statement that it was the pve loot that started it all in the first place.

The answer should be "No". Exploration system should do what it supposed to do, if you want to encourage low-sec people's activities, introduce another idea called "low-sec static deadspace to encourage low-sec pvp", not by abusing the exploration complex system, especially for what aims at helping the newbies to start the game.

Had a very depressing convo with Sard Caid a night or so back. Thank you CCP for destroying a vibrant and exciting PvP community and not even giving us the courtesy of a reach around. Even poking devs on twitter doesn't seem to be working no more.

Hey guys, we haven't abandoned reading the thread, but in this case we're not going to be able to give you a specific answer you're happy with.

I can confirm that it wasn't just farming of the highsec plexes that concerned us, we looked at the data for the number of unique characters completing the lowsec plexes as well and that number was much smaller than we wanted.

All I can really say is that we understand that this change removes a focal point for lowsec fighting that was beneficial in a lot of ways, but that the team here believes that when we look back on this change in hindsight later the benefits will outweigh the loss (in the same way that we believe the benefits outweighed the loss inherent in removing the higher tier static complexes in 2007).