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Turgesson
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Posted - 2012.12.30 14:14:00 -
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I'm glad someone pointed me here. Please for the love of Pete consider fixing any spawning problems and return these in greater abundance to non-FW low sec and NPC null some day. You removed a fun thing to do in low sec because of a problem with high sec bots and that should never happen. |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.03 14:50:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Pokings have occurred.
Cool, I been poking soft targets in high sec for the month they've been gone. Do us a favor and tell them not to hurry I'm sure we'll all just come around and join FW if we want low sec resources to fight over. |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.04 01:14:00 -
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Vincent R'lyeh wrote:Turgesson wrote:
join FW if we want low sec resources to fight over.
Annnd again with the missing of the entire point of this thread......
There are 15 pages of points so I figured I'd throw in a joke to bump her along....unless I'm still missing the point? Please sum up these pages of points to point out which points are the important points. |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.07 00:35:00 -
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Kane Rizzel wrote:We are still here...
We are still waiting...
We do not forgive...
We do not forget...
We will ship boxes of dog poop from around the world to CCP headquarters on a weekly basis. |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:19:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Our metrics made clear that they were not living up to their primary purpose as interesting pve content, primary purpose
Thanks for the candid explanation but I didn't start playing eve for the interesting pve content. I'll just keep high sec ganking till the isk runs out and bail now. o/
My advice would be to stop trying to make shooting red plus signs and rocks interesting. As far as adding arenas, I think they should come right along with dance emotes for the CQ dolls. |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:25:00 -
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Xi 'xar wrote:Turgesson wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Our metrics made clear that they were not living up to their primary purpose as interesting pve content, primary purpose
Thanks for the candid explanation but I didn't start playing eve for the interesting pve content. I'll just keep high sec ganking till the isk runs out and bail now. o/My advice would be to stop trying to make shooting red plus signs and rocks interesting. As far as adding arenas, I think they should come right along with dance emotes for the CQ dolls. Bye bye Turgey Can I haz your stuff?
No, I'm using what I got to burn what I can in high sec but I'll gladly give ya back all of your stuff...and Sailor's...and Vol's...and Xyne's (btw thanks for leaving him to farm for faction mods)...and Amber's...and...hey when did Tuskers start accepting bads?
(Just think Fozzie, without that static plex me and this guy would have no reason to screw with each other, weeks and months worth of fighting would have never happened, the Celestis of doom would have never existed and good ol' Xi'Xar here would have never figured out how to defeat a frigate killer cruiser with a frigate.) |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:52:00 -
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Miss Carry wrote:
Let's keep making suggestions and be optimistic
and not be grumpy :)
You know as well as I do that isn't going to work. We can sit here and talk about it until we're blue in the face and we will still get "arenas" designed without our suggestions. If you want your stuff back you better start shooting things they don't want you to shoot and force this issue to the top of the wipeboard in these "planning" meetings.
I like the Venture idea...no herding cats needed. It's cheap, you can do it solo at -10, they are everywhere, 2 shots off a thrasher usually strips the ship and cracks the pod before the cops show up and "new players" are the ones who will whine the best for us to be returned to our natural habitats. Add in scan boats to round out the preferred target list to what 90% of potential new subscribers fly in their first few months and sprinkle with autopiloting pods.
I wouldn't consider taking some kind of action as being grumpy and it doesn't have to stop us from giving suggestions. Really everything that can be said has been and if the past is any guide talking does nothing. DOING something has an effect.
(CCP Bettik was the one who worked on this stuff. I've been telling everyone I gank it's his fault they lost their stuff and he says they should go back to WoW until he's finished making "interesting pve experiences" for them.) |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.15 17:28:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Guys I appreciate you're really frustrated, but making the thread even more hostile than it already is isn't going to attract the developer attention you're looking for.
With all due respect, history disagrees with you and even your presence on this page is proof that it will.
Remember it was CCP's decision to not give anyone a heads up that this change was going to come with retribution so we could participate in testing and suggest things before any KNOWN harm was done. I would say almost all of us opened our patch notes to see what goodies we got to only see our home systems made into ghost towns.
I've added a bio to direct people to your forums with the reason they are being mass murdered in high sec and loosing their only possesions in New Eden. This isn't meant as a hostile act against CCP it's just presure and numbers to make our end of the metrics matter. I don't want to be hostile to any developer willing to at least meet us halfway with returned plexes in LOW SEC. We can deal with drop rates, types of loot, ways to gain keys/unlocking the gates full time, variations in the respawn timers, etc..after they are returned and work on them until we are both satisfied.
You don't have an unreasonable bunch here but a simple "NO, now let's talk about no loot arenas" isn't going to fly. |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.17 01:11:00 -
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Maybe next time when Hans brings up a topic it'll get more attention than a confused look around the room...
After reading the beginning of the minutes something just doesn't make any sense. If you have a feature that caters to all 3 tiers of the layered model for customer experience why in the world would you remove it? I honestly don't think the people who made this decision understand anything about it and thought adding more sites to scan down in high sec would capture more short term customers while at the same time underestimating the amount of long term loyal customers who enjoy this feature.
I'd write more on the subject but my gcc timer is up and I'm allowed out of the penalty box...here venture venture.
(I was going to step it up and start smartbombing all the afk retrievers around but why help the overmining problem by default. Leave those alone.) |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:08:00 -
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SUMMARY FOR CCP
(Sorry if I miss anything..I'll edit it if I do. I gleened a lot of this from multiple threads)
1: We agree that high sec statics were a problem and were overdue for removal. Adding them to the high sec exploration system was a good move and would prepare new explorers for the low sec static gate/pve mechanics. This same "graduation" could be thought about for the hop from 3-4/10s being part of the low sec exploration system and added NPC null statics of those types?
2: We cannot give you other suggestions for "arena" type senarios because these statics are exactly what we would suggest. While the inside of these sites restricted ship types the fights outside the gate did not...wars have been fought over these.
3: We don't agree with the metrics used to judge this feature. Was it the ded loot drops being too valuable and being completed by the same people in LOW SEC?
They really weren't that valuable when compared to farming in high sec. Some of those missions have better faction and implant drop rates than the dangerous low sec statics. In this case, the risk was worth the reward and the carrot was working. On this topic we remain open to changes in types or rates of drops that won't rot the carrots.
Low sec statics being completed by the same people just shows the residents of those systems enjoyed them and our traffic is inherently low because of low incentives...so did the metrics take the normal local count into consideration? These "farmers" are also the people in this thread who regularly recruit people and teach new players with this feature. With the main goal of an "interesting pve experiance" we were the interesting part. Think of us as the interactive "boss in the last room" who may hire you.
4: Would it require too much time to solve the gate issues by just unlocking all of them or adding key drops to the belt rats? Could you guys throw them on buckingham like that so we can help you refine and accelerate the process of "fixing" them?
5: "We feel that as a whole this change will be a net positive, although I completely understand that it may not seem the case to those people who strongly benefited from the previous mechanic." - CCP Fozzie.There were no PEOPLE that strongly benefited from these sites. LOW SEC as a total benefited. Removing this feature and expecting a net postive in low sec is inept...sorry to use that word but it fits and is a reason for some hostility.
6: Any of us not interested in faction warfare will still not join it. I would personally rather do a naked bellyflop into a pit full of pecker eating zombies.
7: We are not taking NO for an answer. You unknowingly broke the camel's back with a lot of us. Considering you have representitives here from all backrounds in agreeement it would be unwise for CCP to ignore this issue or try to steer the conversation to "new arenas" any further. |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:47:00 -
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Kane Rizzel wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:I'm fairly certain this is the real reason they were removed: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=194411&find=unreadCCP is making the "blue loot" extremely rare to make foolish newbs buy plex to afford it. I don't think I would have to convince anyone that the unrated plexes in low sec have spawn/escalation rates about as good as the anomalies and have been that way for a while. If you doubt me run a string of provisional outposts and let me know what ya get...now run a string of 5-6/10s. Now I understand the metrics. Predatory marketing at its finest....good job CCP! I'm sure your vets will never notice this type of stuff when you post reasons for feature removals that make absolutely no sense. Ooh, on the plus side, at least they stopped 2/10 plex farming
And unleashed a bunch of outlaws on high sec targeting people right inside Tier 1 and 2 of their layered model for customers. They really should edit those CSM minutes better to not let us know exactly where to hit their wallet. |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:05:00 -
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I made that summary the way I would if I had a vendor telling me lies. Give them another week or three to figure out how to outsmart us with more bull. |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.24 15:38:00 -
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For every Patch there are 500+ Ereeres. I edited his name so he doesn't turn into a punching bag.
I don't really know what he's talking about either...the kill?...the 100k bounty for spamming KR notes at me? All I know is if you extend acts or Sutoka him he gets really really mad and rage logs.
I will not fight!
From: Eemere XXXxxxXXX
Sent: 2013.01.21 17:45
To: Turgesson,
Please remove the bounty from you within a week,
If you do not it will submit a report to the management "as a" psychological harassment ".
If you would extend to acts or Sutoka increase the bounty is
I will mail to each case management, |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.25 00:38:00 -
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Yep,there is no discussion left just a bumped thread so we may as well have fun with it. We're getting what they are giving and can pound sand if we don't like it.
Thank god they did bring back the can flipping mechanic with some hero text pop up! Can you believe they said "with no interference"? 
Edit: Either I read that blog post wrong or they edited it after everyone laughed at it. Honorable combat that is about to ensue! is still there though.  |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.28 14:11:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Olleybear wrote:I've been training my alt for mining! Astrogeology 5 coming right up...
/me crys I joined HBC...
I downloaded Planetside. |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.30 14:50:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Retribution did not ignore lowsec by any stretch of the the imagination.
Short term increases after a new expansion is nothing new. After the mining barge buff I found a rorq in a low sec belt from some dummy that "came back". That never happened before or since but was a direct result of marketing and so are the increases from retribution.
....and it's not 2007 it's 2013. Learning from the past but not considering present conditions is not a good thing my friend. Think about using that old knowledge and building something with player input to change it rather than just removing crap in the middle of the night.
We're really not telling you this stuff because we just want our sites back or something better to replace it. We're throwing red flags at you that this is bad for EvE and low sec in the long term. That hurts you more than it hurts us. |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.01.31 14:28:00 -
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Toterra wrote:I was browsing the web in firefox and I noticed my bookmark of Brutor BullFighter:Plex Hunter. What a great blog post that was. Advice from that post dominated my gameplay for several months afterwords :( Ah, the memories... All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Yep, that blog should have been copy and pasted into the wiki under pirating income. It's a damn shame that's lost.
Here's another lil tidbit for The Foz to chew on. One of the reasons I never bothered with the 2/10 was because I wasn't a big fan of the crappy destroyer line up. Why would you add more ships capable of really heating up these sites and remove them in the same damn patch? I can tell you from the little frigate buffs that the 1/10 I ran saw a nice increase and was starting to catch on with new and old players. My kills/losses will show that so screw the metrics.
The very last night I ran that plex I had to go 2v1 for a crappy OSE and a junk plate of some sort. How is that too much money? I want to see any other way of farming that pits you against a Daredevil and an Enyo that you HAVE to fight if you want the money.
I expected better from CCP when I started playing this but as usual Experienced = Expendable.
Disonorevole |
Turgesson
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Posted - 2013.02.03 14:15:00 -
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darmwand wrote: I think that instead of removing them, reducing the loot and in turn adding more of these plexes in other regions would have been a much better way to solve the farming issue.
But that won't drive the "undesirables" away like it did in 2007.
They easily could have lowered drop rates, added key drops to belt rats or something and added more of these sites around to have an alternative to FW with a more open ended unique sandbox feature....but I don't think open ended sandbox is in the 10year plan with Pippy Longstocking, Fozzybear and CCP Verne Troyer at the helm. |
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