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Satav
Latinum Exports
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:28:00 -
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Suicide ganking is a wonderful part of this game. It gets rid of noob miners who can't fit their ship right, don't watch local, or mine somewhere else. Basically try anything else than what you have been doing.
Stop whining. I know that it's difficult. blah blah blah. I know I'm a miner i have 7 alts. I know how it affects you. Get over it. The fact of the matter is that if you're a good miner, events like GS's most current one are helpful. And if you're a noob-macro miner, well, tough luck, you should have played better or not cheated.
Events like this make the game fun, exciting, and challenging. Yes you lose isk per hour blah blah blah. So you're say that all you want to do is sit a belt all day and stare at rocks and put fake money in your fake wallet? Don't start with me. Again, i'm a huge miner so i know the motivation of being wealthy/productive in game.
The fact of the matter is that things like this break up the routine. Why are you playing the game if not for the experiences? like these.
If you hate it so much..... Get smart..... try harder...... fly smarter.... make tactics etc. as many of the "real" miners have already done. Have fun! If you hulk/mackinaw gets blown up, so what! say gf in local and keep going. stop the carebear tears and get some miner muscle.
RESPECT TO GSF FOR ALWAYS KILLING OFF THE PLAYERS OF DETRIMENT TO EVE. "Nature's way of thinning the herd."
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"Your Erebus is docked? How did that happen?" "It took a lot of grease and pushing." |

DeliciousHamBeast
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
83
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:37:00 -
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Mine in lowsec: Problem solved! -- Pity me not, but lend thy serious hearing to what I shall unfold. |

Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:38:00 -
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OP is an idiot. u realize all you pvp retards would be forced to mine if there were no other miners right? im sure your pos's need to be fueled and despite what you think, tears are worthless and cannot fuel anything |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:40:00 -
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Whine thread about whining, classic.
I believe the last time someone posted one of these it was locked.
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Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:43:00 -
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Op makes a very valid point - ganking is part of this game.
Op just neglects to mention the manner in which the way Concord currently functions, in how this is being abused as an exploit. This just makes it easier to gank without consequence, to gank with impunity knowing there's a 99% chance that you will get away with it.
Op is also whining about whining. No difference there, just a different point of view.
I do not care a rats-azz about mining, I do care about how Concord is stunted and being abused.
The door is not real. |

DeliciousHamBeast
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
83
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:48:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Op makes a very valid point - ganking is part of this game.
Op just neglects to mention the manner in which the way Concord currently functions, in how this is being abused as an exploit. This just makes it easier to gank without consequence, to gank with impunity knowing there's a 99% chance that you will get away with it.
Op is also whining about whining. No difference there, just a different point of view.
I do not care a rats-azz about mining, I do care about how Concord is stunted and being abused.
How exactly is concord being "abused as an exploit"? -- Pity me not, but lend thy serious hearing to what I shall unfold. |

Satav
Latinum Exports
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:49:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:OP is an idiot. u realize all you pvp retards would be forced to mine if there were no other miners right? im sure your pos's need to be fueled and despite what you think, tears are worthless and cannot fuel anything
Hmmm, i didn't say that all miners were noobs or that there was no use for mining, I didn't say anything like that. Maybe you should read a little more thorougly before you post out of emotion.
And as far as "tears are worthless and cannot fuel anything" , that was my whole point to the industrial players who aren't willing to think outside the box in order to accomplish goals. I didn't say "all" of them. Some people have done this. But a lot more haven't.
Again. Read better. ____________________________________________________________________________________________
"Your Erebus is docked? How did that happen?" "It took a lot of grease and pushing." |

Satav
Latinum Exports
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:52:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Op makes a very valid point - ganking is part of this game.
Op just neglects to mention the manner in which the way Concord currently functions, in how this is being abused as an exploit. This just makes it easier to gank without consequence, to gank with impunity knowing there's a 99% chance that you will get away with it.
Op is also whining about whining. No difference there, just a different point of view.
I do not care a rats-azz about mining, I do care about how Concord is stunted and being abused.
Who said i was "whining"? lol. Just making a point. I could care less about it. Just trying to help my fellow eve players become better citizens of New Eden.
Perhaps i should sub an undertone in my txt as a lot of people misread in forums. ........ (not whining). __________________________________________________________________________________ "Your Erebus is docked? How did that happen?" "It took a lot of grease and pushing." |

stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:52:00 -
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DeliciousHamBeast wrote: How exactly is concord being "abused as an exploit"?
Because you have to wait until someone attacks you before you can attack them in self-defense.
On a side note, how many NRA members play Eve?
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Satav
Latinum Exports
37
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:54:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:DeliciousHamBeast wrote: How exactly is concord being "abused as an exploit"?
Because you have to wait until someone attacks you before you can attack them in self-defense. On a side note, how many NRA members play Eve?
And yet has anyone ever gotten away from concord with their ship after ganking? i'm referring to after the EvE middle ages of when you could tank concord.................... |

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal
56
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:58:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:OP is an idiot. u realize all you pvp retards would be forced to mine if there were no other miners right? im sure your pos's need to be fueled and despite what you think, tears are worthless and cannot fuel anything
OP said he IS a miner AND he thought that ganking was a legit part of the game / enjoyed mining in an environment where it can happen.
L2Read - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:59:00 -
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Wait, I just read that miners use this exploit as well ? IE, getting Concord to or near their belt so they're closer ? That's totally lame and the same exploit.
The door is not real. |

DeliciousHamBeast
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
83
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:01:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Wait, I just read that miners use this exploit as well ? IE, getting Concord to or near their belt so they're closer ? That's totally lame and the same exploit.
Step 1: Inform me, what is this 'exploit' exactly?
Step 2: Buy me a nice hat. -- Pity me not, but lend thy serious hearing to what I shall unfold. |

Rache Le'Bonbon
Dissension X Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:02:00 -
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Someone needs to call the WAAAMMMBUUULLLAAANCCCEEE on this thread. |

Satav
Latinum Exports
37
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:03:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Wait, I just read that miners use this exploit as well ? IE, getting Concord to or near their belt so they're closer ? That's totally lame and the same exploit.
I hate how everyone screams "exploit!!!!!" when it's just part of the current game mechanics. Sure, it may be unbalanced. Sure the mechanics weren't thought out right. But until CCP changes or alters it, its part of the game and shouldn't be called an exploit, on the miners or gankers point of view.
Seeing as how a Tempest can blow up a hulk with Concord in belt anyway, I hardly consider this an "exploit" as it doesn't work....... _____________________________________________
"Your Erebus is docked? How did that happen?" "It took a lot of grease and pushing." |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
86
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:13:00 -
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You are the one whining atm  |

Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:17:00 -
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Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.
Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ? |

Satav
Latinum Exports
37
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:22:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.
Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ?
"Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor? ______________________________________________________________________________
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:31:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? A-Wing vs. Super Star Destroyer comes to mindGǪ
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
33
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:32:00 -
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OP is right,
hello kitty online is somwhere else. ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |

Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:34:00 -
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Satav wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.
Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ? "Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor? ______________________________________________________________________________ It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life.
Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me.
One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ? |

Duncan Kennedy
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:38:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Satav wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.
Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ? "Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor? ______________________________________________________________________________ It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life. Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me. One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?
Yes, no one ever commits suicide to destroy a hostile target in real life.  |

Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:38:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote: How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?
I gather you have never been in the military. It is a lot easier then you would think.
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Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
33
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:38:00 -
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they have no choice the're gunfood...
not in reallife.... so it never happend that someone killed himselfe for the profit of his friends / family / state / religion?
oh wait, they're not killing themselfe... so it never happend that someone burned his house or cut of his finger or crashed his car to get the insurance payout? ^^ ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |

Baaldor
Black Sail Anarchists Yarr Collective
6
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:40:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.
Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ?
No, you are stupid, immersion breaking and an exploit.
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Satav
Latinum Exports
38
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:42:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Satav wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.
Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ? "Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor? ______________________________________________________________________________ It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life. Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me. One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?
Hmm the Japanese Kamakizes come to mind but to humor your "crew" point.
How about the Ottomans who lit their ships on fire and rammed into the enemies?
Or the Dutch mercenaries that ran into enemy lines and blew themselves up with gunpowder and kill the enemy as well as themselves?
Idealism will drive many to do things unimaginable. Even "groups" of people. GSF for example  |

Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:47:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote: How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?
I gather you have never been in the military. It is a lot easier then you would think. Soldiers always have a certain probability to survive, even when small.
Of course, you have Kamikaze and Jihadists and the Hashishin but they are rather rare exceptions.
Moreover, this kind of attitude is completely at odds with the ethos of at least 2 races in EvE. Can you imagine a Gallente or a Caldari Kamikaze ? It does not make much sense. |

Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
33
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:48:00 -
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It's really funny to see thoose two groups of people in eve....
group 1: will survive a zombie outbreak, couse they will get a punpgun and have some fun (Satav and such for example) group 2: will turn into zombies within 24 hrs, couse everything is fine and we all love each other (Duncan Kennedy and such)
just awesome.
EDIT FOR DUNCAN: so it never happend that someone burned his house or cut of his finger or crashed his car to get the insurance payout? ^^ becouse they do not die, they end up in the're pods. ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |

Gealbhan
36
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:48:00 -
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Mining is not without its risks. Everything in =v= involves some sort of risk, that's what makes it fun to play. If it was otherwise it would be boring to the extreme.
[Undock >>>] = Consensual PvP, deal with it. |

Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:49:00 -
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Jokerface666 wrote:they have no choice the're gunfood...
not in reallife.... so it never happend that someone killed himselfe for the profit of his friends / family / state / religion?
oh wait, they're not killing themselfe... so it never happend that someone burned his house or cut of his finger or crashed his car to get the insurance payout? ^^ I am not talking about the capsuleer pilot dumbass. I am talking about the non-capsuleer crews we are supposed to have with us in our ships. |
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