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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
12
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:50:00 -
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It's not suicide if you can't actually die.
It's just a quick trip home after throwing away a ship you will be reimbursed for.
Win/win for the ganker.
Lose insurance = better game balance.
Mr Epeen  If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |

Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
33
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:51:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Jokerface666 wrote:they have no choice the're gunfood...
not in reallife.... so it never happend that someone killed himselfe for the profit of his friends / family / state / religion?
oh wait, they're not killing themselfe... so it never happend that someone burned his house or cut of his finger or crashed his car to get the insurance payout? ^^ I am not talking about the capsuleer pilot dumbass. I am talking about the non-capsuleer crews we are supposed to have with us in our ships.
you really need reading and brain to level 5 dude..... "they have no choice the're gunfood..." ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |

Fillingkillboards
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:53:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Simetraz wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote: How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?
I gather you have never been in the military. It is a lot easier then you would think. Soldiers always have a certain probability to survive, even when small. Of course, you have Kamikaze and Jihadists and the Hashishin but they are rather rare exceptions. Moreover, this kind of attitude is completely at odds with the ethos of at least 2 races in EvE. Can you imagine a Gallente or a Caldari Kamikaze ? It does not make much sense.
It's settled then. Only Amarr and Minmatar Characters can suicide gank! |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:55:00 -
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"I heartily endorse this Game" and activity.
This is exactly the kind of circumstance that makes this game so much less boring. Ice Mining in particular is so mind numbingly boring, having to be on one's toes is the only thing making it tolerable.
Besides, the Goons said exactly what they are targeting. We WERE warned.
If you are warned and go out there for Blue Ice.................that is your own fault, not the Goons. You were told fair and square.
If you can't stay aligned, watch Local, and just be AWARE.....why on Earth are you playing this ? My God.
It's really not that big of a deal.
I'm just glad someone, even the Goons, did.....SOMEthing.......to shake things up. That's probably MORE important than their actual goal here. God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Ryunosuke Kusanagi
6
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:01:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Satav wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.
Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ? "Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor? ______________________________________________________________________________ It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life. Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me. One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?
WAIT WAIT WAIT
so umm that nut in Norway, or 9-11 does NOT count as suicide ganking? I'm confused here....
Also, back in game, there is THIS INCIDENT: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Malkalen_catastrophe tl:dr version: Captain of a NYX Supercarrier crashes into a station. |

Satav
Latinum Exports
38
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:04:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Simetraz wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote: How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?
I gather you have never been in the military. It is a lot easier then you would think. Soldiers always have a certain probability to survive, even when small. Of course, you have Kamikaze and Jihadists and the Hashishin but they are rather rare exceptions. Moreover, this kind of attitude is completely at odds with the ethos of at least 2 races in EvE. Can you imagine a Gallente or a Caldari Kamikaze ? It does not make much sense.
????????????!!!!!
First, this isn't role playing although there are many such people in eve. Players cross train races all the time so you're stay true to your race argument is a little off.
Second, if we were to stay true to our race..........."can you imagine a Caldari Kamikaze?"
are you serious............. dude..... you need to read up on this game a little more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9aEqJYF3eA&feature=related
Third, suiciding isn't always just the extreme religious fanatic. It is also sometimes the cool , controlled , general who know that he greater serves his country by this act. |

Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:31:00 -
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Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Satav wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.
Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ? "Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor? ______________________________________________________________________________ It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life. Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me. One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ? WAIT WAIT WAIT so umm that nut in Norway, or 9-11 does NOT count as suicide ganking? I'm confused here.... Yeah, one guy! And everybody thinks he is nuts ...
Here you are talking about asking the several hundreds of dudes who serve under you as your (non capsuleer) crew to commit real suicide (permadeath) while their boss quietly wakes up in his clone in a station far away. And you are asking this not once but 10 times, 20 times, 100 times ... How are you going to find volunteers after the first attempt ? Do you plan on creating a suicidal cult just to supply enough suckers ?
All this is really stretching credibility very thin ....
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Satav
Latinum Exports
39
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:34:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Satav wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.
Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ? "Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor? ______________________________________________________________________________ It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life. Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me. One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ? WAIT WAIT WAIT so umm that nut in Norway, or 9-11 does NOT count as suicide ganking? I'm confused here.... Yeah, one guy! And everybody thinks he is nuts ... Here you are talking about asking the several hundreds of dudes who serve under you as your (non capsuleer) crew to commit real suicide (permadeath) while their boss quietly wakes up in his clone in a station far away. And you are asking this not once but 10 times, 20 times, 100 times ... How are you going to find volunteers after the first attempt ? Do you plan on creating a suicidal cult just to supply enough suckers ? All this is really stretching credibility very thin ....
Clearly youre naive about history and the military and human nature in general dude. I suggest you read up.
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Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:38:00 -
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Thank God you are only a kid behind a computer playing a stupid game Satav ... |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:40:00 -
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the irony of the thing is there are more of these dumb threads than there are whine threads. I get tried of both .. or either.. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

Kalmanaka
Cockpit Commandos
11
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:53:00 -
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Gealbhan wrote:Everything in =v= involves some sort of risk
Use charmap if you're in windows. 039E unicode.
+PV+P |

Atrum Veneficus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:56:00 -
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We just upped the whining ante:
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/585462
Boys, grab your harpoons, we are going WHALING!!! |

Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
36
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:58:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Thank God you are only a kid behind a computer playing a stupid game Satav ...
just to give you some "ideas?"
what if the crew, evaces the ship (rescue pods)? what if we're using clone slaves, where you buy packs of 1000? what if we're using humanoid looking androids?
srsly dude... from all your posts.... get a life.... and leave our game alone! ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |

Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:00:00 -
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Jokerface666 wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Thank God you are only a kid behind a computer playing a stupid game Satav ... just to give you some "ideas?" what if the crew, evaces the ship (rescue pods)? what if we're using clone slaves, where you buy packs of 1000? what if we're using humanoid looking androids? srsly dude... from all your posts.... get a life.... and leave our game alone!
ROFL!! Priceless, well stated.
The door is not real. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
91
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:05:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:
I do not care a rats-azz about mining, I do care about how Concord is stunted and being abused.
Heh, a few Goons owe me lunch, we expected people to start crying about how people doing this was an exploit and demanding Concord be buffed (AGAIN) days ago. |

Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:09:00 -
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Xython wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:
I do not care a rats-azz about mining, I do care about how Concord is stunted and being abused.
Heh, a few Goons owe me lunch, we expected people to start crying about how people doing this was an exploit and demanding Concord be buffed (AGAIN) days ago.
No, I was wrong about it being an exploit, I said as much in my other post after being (finally) given a write-up on the proper functioning of Concord. To be fair, reading these forums, it all comes across as most Goons doing the crying ? I have yet to see more than 6 "miners" do any crying in the forums. Got logs instead ?
The door is not real. |

Dilaro thagriin
Brothers Intensive Fighting Team Air
8
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:18:00 -
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Satav wrote: inane babble
the vast majority of people i have seen are not complaining about the actual suicide ganking.
that's normal, and part of the game.
however, kiting CONCORD about is an exploit
circumventing the security status system is an exploit
and purposeful misuse of the 'report' function is a breach of the EULA.
three things in one event, that no players should be doing, and the CSM chairperson in particular should know better than to be doing.
so... if you see a goon with low security status flying through your system in their capsule, report them for using an exploit.
though CCP could fix two of these problems by having CONCORD target the capsules of those who enter space that their security status does not allow them to enter and banning those who mis-use the report function (repeatedly)
the kiting of CONCORD is more difficult to prove, but the logs should show when recycled alts in rookie ships are used for this purpose, as suggested by the mittani.
- Dilaro
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
279
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:38:00 -
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Dilaro thagriin wrote:Satav wrote: inane babble the vast majority of people i have seen are not complaining about the actual suicide ganking. that's normal, and part of the game. however, kiting CONCORD about is an exploit circumventing the security status system is an exploit and purposeful misuse of the 'report' function is a breach of the EULA. three things in one event, that no players should be doing, and the CSM chairperson in particular should know better than to be doing. so... if you see a goon with low security status flying through your system in their capsule, report them for using an exploit. though CCP could fix two of these problems by having CONCORD target the capsules of those who enter space that their security status does not allow them to enter and banning those who mis-use the report function (repeatedly) the kiting of CONCORD is more difficult to prove, but the logs should show when recycled alts in rookie ships are used for this purpose, as suggested by the mittani. - Dilaro It's almost like you didn't read the rest of the thread. And for the record, you're dumb.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Dilaro thagriin
Brothers Intensive Fighting Team Air
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:56:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:[quote=Dilaro thagriin] It's almost like you didn't read the rest of the thread. And for the record, you're dumb.
I assure you, i have the ability to speak.
now if you're done with the foolish insults, i was responding to the OP... not the rest of the thread, or maybe you missed that. |

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:58:00 -
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Dilaro thagriin wrote: I assure you, i have the ability to speak.
now if you're done with the foolish insults, i was responding to the OP... not the rest of the thread, or maybe you missed that.
If you had actually read the entire thread you wouldn't have posted what you did.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Dilaro thagriin
Brothers Intensive Fighting Team Air
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:03:00 -
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perhaps, or perhaps i would have..
you see, i have seen members of your alliance calling CONCORD kiting an exploit. Circumvention of the security status system in the manner the mittani mentioned in his over-long forum post most certainly IS an exploit. and mis use of the report function, in the exact manner that the mittani said to use it in the same post, is most certainly a breach of the EULA.
whether or not you agree, that's how i see it.. which is something i am entitled to. I am also entitled to post my opinions on the forum.
- Dilaro. |

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:04:00 -
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Dilaro thagriin wrote:perhaps, or perhaps i would have..
you see, i have seen members of your alliance calling CONCORD kiting an exploit. Circumvention of the security status system in the manner the mittani mentioned in his over-long forum post most certainly IS an exploit. and mis use of the report function, in the exact manner that the mittani said to use it in the same post, is most certainly a breach of the EULA.
whether or not you agree, that's how i see it.. which is something i am entitled to. I am also entitled to post my opinions on the forum.
- Dilaro. You are literally wrong about every single thing in your post.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:15:00 -
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Suicide ganking and mining are basically the same thing- shooting things that can't shoot back and reaping the meager rewards appropriate to such undemanding tasks. |

Jita Alt666
310
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:32:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Simetraz wrote:Deopheel Dalonne wrote: How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?
I gather you have never been in the military. It is a lot easier then you would think. Soldiers always have a certain probability to survive, even when small. Of course, you have Kamikaze and Jihadists and the Hashishin but they are rather rare exceptions.Moreover, this kind of attitude is completely at odds with the ethos of at least 2 races in EvE. Can you imagine a Gallente or a Caldari Kamikaze ? It does not make much sense.
Pray tell me, what percentage of victims of terrorism between 2000 and 2011 were caused by, as you put it, the, rather rare exception of Jihadists?
5% ? 10% ? maybe 25% ?
try 96% - then try and redefine what a rather rare exception is. Your use of this argument belittles both the NATO/UN's soldiers attempting to curb real life terrorism and the literally 10s of thousands of innocent civilians who have been victims of terrorism. |

Esagila
13
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:35:00 -
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I agree, whining about whining is kindof lame, but the OP does make a good point. If nothing else this event will serve as a learning experience to the ignorant/new miners or serve as an indication to those that canGÇÖt stand it that they might want to switch careers.
Also IGÇÖm really glad that some forum contributors are writing guides about suicide ganking and sharing tactics/advice. Say what you want about the great mining guides, but they really donGÇÖt cover this. I personally learned the hard way, and as much as it blew IGÇÖm glad that the ganker got to be before my ships were fully rigged. I hope with all the information being shared that newer miners will be able to learn & adapt from secondhand instead of direct experience.
Still miners are dying. With that info readily available and this late in the event all I can do is really shrug.
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Jita Alt666
310
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:35:00 -
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Teamosil wrote:Suicide ganking and mining are basically the same thing- shooting things that can't shoot back and reaping the meager rewards appropriate to such undemanding tasks.
That is a good post.
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MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:36:00 -
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Teamosil wrote:Suicide ganking and mining are basically the same thing-
However, each represents an opposite end of an Eve spectrum.
At one end, the old ethos of Eve....work, grind, save, and finally afford that new battleship or Retriever. Feel a loss when said ship is assploded.
At the other end, the new ethos......buy a couple of GTCs, convert to Plex, sell Plex, buy pew pew ships.......annoy the crap out of someone. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:43:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Pray tell me, what percentage of victims of terrorism between 2000 and 2011 were caused by, as you put it, the, rather rare exception of Jihadists?
5% ? 10% ? maybe 25% ?
try 96% - then try and redefine what a rather rare exception is. Your use of this argument belittles both the NATO/UN's soldiers attempting to curb real life terrorism and the literally 10s of thousands of innocent civilians who have been victims of terrorism. Terrorism is a despicable thing (and Goons, btw, not content to use IIIrd reich imagery, use the word "Jihad" in their lingo).
However, all acts of terror committed in the past 100 years are dwarfed by the numbers of casualties (both military and civillian) caused by "regular" wars (more than 30 million).
And it has always been the case, whatever the era you look at. War-related casualties always outnumber terrorism-related ones by a factor of at least 100 to 1.
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Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:42:00 -
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Deopheel Dalonne wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Pray tell me, what percentage of victims of terrorism between 2000 and 2011 were caused by, as you put it, the, rather rare exception of Jihadists?
5% ? 10% ? maybe 25% ?
try 96% - then try and redefine what a rather rare exception is. Your use of this argument belittles both the NATO/UN's soldiers attempting to curb real life terrorism and the literally 10s of thousands of innocent civilians who have been victims of terrorism. Terrorism is a despicable thing (and Goons, btw, not content to use IIIrd reich imagery, use the word "Jihad" in their lingo). However, all acts of terror committed in the past 100 years are dwarfed by the numbers of casualties (both military and civillian) caused by "regular" wars (more than 30 million). And it has always been the case, whatever the era you look at. War-related casualties always outnumber terrorism-related ones by a factor of at least 100 to 1.
Slightly skewed point there. If the amount of active terrorists equaled the amount of active combatants in wartime, the number of casualties would be similar. The difference is wartime vs peacetime. Make CQ and WiS an option, not a must.-á I don't play EvE for the toon spinning. |

Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
40
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:47:00 -
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Confirming I support suicide ganking. We have a blog, it is terrible. How to fix Bounty Hunting |
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