Op makes a very valid point - ganking is part of this game.

Op just neglects to mention the manner in which the way Concord currently functions, in how this is being abused as an exploit. This just makes it easier to gank without consequence, to gank with impunity knowing there's a 99% chance that you will get away with it.

Op is also whining about whining. No difference there, just a different point of view.

I do not care a rats-azz about mining, I do care about how Concord is stunted and being abused.

OP is an idiot. u realize all you pvp retards would be forced to mine if there were no other miners right? im sure your pos's need to be fueled and despite what you think, tears are worthless and cannot fuel anything

Op makes a very valid point - ganking is part of this game.

Op just neglects to mention the manner in which the way Concord currently functions, in how this is being abused as an exploit. This just makes it easier to gank without consequence, to gank with impunity knowing there's a 99% chance that you will get away with it.

Op is also whining about whining. No difference there, just a different point of view.

I do not care a rats-azz about mining, I do care about how Concord is stunted and being abused.

How exactly is concord being "abused as an exploit"?

Because you have to wait until someone attacks you before you can attack them in self-defense.

On a side note, how many NRA members play Eve?

OP is an idiot. u realize all you pvp retards would be forced to mine if there were no other miners right? im sure your pos's need to be fueled and despite what you think, tears are worthless and cannot fuel anything

Wait, I just read that miners use this exploit as well ? IE, getting Concord to or near their belt so they're closer ?
That's totally lame and the same exploit.

Wait, I just read that miners use this exploit as well ? IE, getting Concord to or near their belt so they're closer ?
That's totally lame and the same exploit.

Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.

Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ?

Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ?

"Immersion breaking".........? So you're saying that this isn't realistic or believable? Tell me how , exactly , is this not like any typical human behavor?
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It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life.

Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me.

One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?

How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?

Suicide ganking is a completely stupid, immersion breaking, exploit.

Ever heard of such a thing in any Sci-Fi book or movie ? This is a SCI-FI game, right ?

It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life.

Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me.

One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?

I gather you have never been in the military.
It is a lot easier then you would think.

they have no choice the're gunfood...

not in reallife.... so it never happend that someone killed himselfe for the profit of his friends / family / state / religion?

oh wait, they're not killing themselfe... so it never happend that someone burned his house or cut of his finger or crashed his car to get the insurance payout? ^^

I am not talking about the capsuleer pilot dumbass. I am talking about the non-capsuleer crews we are supposed to have with us in our ships.

Soldiers always have a certain probability to survive, even when small.

Of course, you have Kamikaze and Jihadists and the Hashishin but they are rather rare exceptions.

Moreover, this kind of attitude is completely at odds with the ethos of at least 2 races in EvE. Can you imagine a Gallente or a Caldari Kamikaze ? It does not make much sense.

It feels like something you would do in a game, but not in real life.

Difficult to say why, but that is the way it feels to me.

One thing to consider, for example, is the human crews on the ships. Aren't we supposed to have human crews with at least hundreds of people on board each ship besides the capsuleer pilot ? How would you convince your crew to suicide gank exactly ?

Soldiers always have a certain probability to survive, even when small.

Of course, you have Kamikaze and Jihadists and the Hashishin but they are rather rare exceptions.

Moreover, this kind of attitude is completely at odds with the ethos of at least 2 races in EvE. Can you imagine a Gallente or a Caldari Kamikaze ? It does not make much sense.

WAIT WAIT WAIT

so umm that nut in Norway, or 9-11 does NOT count as suicide ganking? I'm confused here....

Yeah, one guy! And everybody thinks he is nuts ...

Here you are talking about asking the several hundreds of dudes who serve under you as your (non capsuleer) crew to commit real suicide (permadeath) while their boss quietly wakes up in his clone in a station far away. And you are asking this not once but 10 times, 20 times, 100 times ... How are you going to find volunteers after the first attempt ? Do you plan on creating a suicidal cult just to supply enough suckers ?

All this is really stretching credibility very thin ....

Everything in =v= involves some sort of risk

Thank God you are only a kid behind a computer playing a stupid game Satav ...

just to give you some "ideas?"

what if the crew, evaces the ship (rescue pods)?
what if we're using clone slaves, where you buy packs of 1000?
what if we're using humanoid looking androids?

srsly dude... from all your posts.... get a life.... and leave our game alone!

I do not care a rats-azz about mining, I do care about how Concord is stunted and being abused.

Heh, a few Goons owe me lunch, we expected people to start crying about how people doing this was an exploit and demanding Concord be buffed (AGAIN) days ago.

inane babble

the vast majority of people i have seen are not complaining about the actual suicide ganking.

that's normal, and part of the game.

however, kiting CONCORD about is an exploit

circumventing the security status system is an exploit

and purposeful misuse of the 'report' function is a breach of the EULA.

three things in one event, that no players should be doing, and the CSM chairperson in particular should know better than to be doing.

so... if you see a goon with low security status flying through your system in their capsule, report them for using an exploit.

though CCP could fix two of these problems by having CONCORD target the capsules of those who enter space that their security status does not allow them to enter and banning those who mis-use the report function (repeatedly)

the kiting of CONCORD is more difficult to prove, but the logs should show when recycled alts in rookie ships are used for this purpose, as suggested by the mittani.

- Dilaro

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It's almost like you didn't read the rest of the thread. And for the record, you're dumb.

I assure you, i have the ability to speak.

now if you're done with the foolish insults, i was responding to the OP... not the rest of the thread, or maybe you missed that.

perhaps, or perhaps i would have..

you see, i have seen members of your alliance calling CONCORD kiting an exploit.
Circumvention of the security status system in the manner the mittani mentioned in his over-long forum post most certainly IS an exploit.
and mis use of the report function, in the exact manner that the mittani said to use it in the same post, is most certainly a breach of the EULA.

whether or not you agree, that's how i see it.. which is something i am entitled to.
I am also entitled to post my opinions on the forum.

- Dilaro.

Soldiers always have a certain probability to survive, even when small.

Of course, you have Kamikaze and Jihadists and the Hashishin but they are rather rare exceptions.

Moreover, this kind of attitude is completely at odds with the ethos of at least 2 races in EvE. Can you imagine a Gallente or a Caldari Kamikaze ? It does not make much sense.

Suicide ganking and mining are basically the same thing- shooting things that can't shoot back and reaping the meager rewards appropriate to such undemanding tasks.

Suicide ganking and mining are basically the same thing-

Pray tell me, what percentage of victims of terrorism between 2000 and 2011 were caused by, as you put it, the, rather rare exception of Jihadists?

5% ?
10% ?
maybe 25% ?

try 96% - then try and redefine what a rather rare exception is. Your use of this argument belittles both the NATO/UN's soldiers attempting to curb real life terrorism and the literally 10s of thousands of innocent civilians who have been victims of terrorism.

Terrorism is a despicable thing (and Goons, btw, not content to use IIIrd reich imagery, use the word "Jihad" in their lingo).

However, all acts of terror committed in the past 100 years are dwarfed by the numbers of casualties (both military and civillian) caused by "regular" wars (more than 30 million).

And it has always been the case, whatever the era you look at. War-related casualties always outnumber terrorism-related ones by a factor of at least 100 to 1.

You are literally wrong about every single thing in your post.

If you hate it so much..... Get smart..... try harder...... fly smarter.... make tactics etc. as many of the "real" miners have already done. Have fun! If you hulk/mackinaw gets blown up, so what! say gf in local and keep going. stop the carebear tears and get some miner muscle.

RESPECT TO GSF FOR ALWAYS KILLING OFF THE PLAYERS OF DETRIMENT TO EVE. "Nature's way of thinning the herd."

Thank God you are only a kid behind a computer playing a stupid game Satav ...

And man. "gf in local". An armed bc pops a MINING vessel and that's a gf?

OP, you are now in charge of all mining strategic policy in Eve. When all the "carebears" pack up their bat and ball, you can flex your "miner muscle" and have all the "gf's" you like.

All the miners need to just war dec the goons. Concord mechanics being abused my ass