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EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:50:00 -
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To all those that think CCP will save them from Goon aggression in high sec, or helping take over 0.0 I have this to say:
Working as intended. CCP wont save you. If CCP were to intervene when there are no rules being broken I believe that would set a bad precedence "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:03:00 -
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If you run from the police IRL and get completely out of their site for 33-39 seconds (the amount of time you get in a .5 system if you reset concord) you will certainly have resisting arrest added to your charge. You are certainly evading them by doing this. Just not successfully.
However, I believe the way it is worded is implies "successfully evade". In which case it is OK to reset concord, just not avoid the ultimate loss of your ship.
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:58:00 - [88]
Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Originally by: ImaranEvading CONCORD is indeed classed as an exploit, and therefore a bannable offence.
How are players supposed to know that Imaran?
Yes, you told us so in this instance, but what if it wasn't something we were just discussing?
Where's this rule published on Eve-O?
I'll see if I can dig into the rules and find out.
Spag, by evading, I assume it's meant in the terms of attracting CONCORD aggression in an >0.4 (NPC Patrolled) system and not losing your ship.
CONCORD are there for a reason Smile
And on that note, I do have to lock this thread as per the forum rules, as it's discussing a possible exploit.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:23:00 -
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Angel of Night wrote:OP lost some macks? Alts are unable to bot mine ice? Petitioned the losses and was not happy with the reply? With these facts included, you are correct! This has to be an exploit.
By "macks" you mean those big mining barges ? I don't know, never owned one, never will. I hate mining. I have no idea about alts mining/not mining ice. I have none. Only time I filed a petition was when I was stuck in a "warp loop", turned out the server had to be restarted that night. I hope this response provides you with more ammunition. The door is not real. |
Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:33:00 -
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EVE Stig wrote:To all those that think CCP will save them from Goon aggression in high sec, or helping take over 0.0 I have this to say:
Working as intended. CCP wont save you. If CCP were to intervene when there are no rules being broken I believe that would set a bad precedence
Apostle, who said anyone needs saving ? I posted about the whole Concord thing.
It strikes me how an original text can be made into something other than what was initially written. The Concord thing is an exploit, I do not care about the ganking (sorry, suicide ganking), but trying to highlight the exploit has the suicide gankers up in arms.
Some posters here conveniently and methodically whitewash over posts by making them out to be other then the original intention. Theirs are the tears, as much as they will deny and decry that. They feel the need to stoop to insults in order to look or feel good. It's laughable.
Go ahead and suicide-gank away, kill, maime, destroy, whatever. Just keep it all inside the rules ?
Moar tears from this drivel.
The door is not real. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
321
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:36:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:The Concord thing is an exploit No. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:The Concord thing is an exploit No.
*shrug* You say nay, I say aye.
Tippia, please forgive me for using the quote you use in your signature.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki
That should be a Mantra taught to every player in Eve. I believe in it totally. Hence my posts. But I have said enough (yes I know).
My focus now is diverted to the latest blogs by Hilmar and Zulu, this thread is irrelevant in comparison.
Ignore it. Do not read further into it. No really. Go read the fresh blogs.
The door is not real. |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:04:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Tippia wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:The Concord thing is an exploit No. *shrug* You say nay, I say aye. Saying something over and over and over again doesn't make it true.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:07:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:I thought this was about Concord grapes being exploited to make jelly.
Mmmmm.... jelly...
AFK, lunch...
You look like a tool in those goggles...Toggles!
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
Thomas Abernathy
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:09:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:I am quoting from a different thread as it is evident there is a lack of understanding regarding how Concord is being exploited at this point in time.
"Khanh'rhh wrote: It is INTENDED game mechanics that a -10 player can enter highsec if he choses. He has to suffer the fact that anyone and everyone can shoot him, and the faction police will spawn within about 3 seconds, wherever he goes.
Where is the exploit? Did he a) Find a way to stop you pointing his ship? b) Find a way to stop you shooting his ship? c) Find a way to stop CONCORD from destroying his ship? d) Find a way to evade the faction police indefinitely?
Please post the exact exploit, please.
Them being a "bad man" is not an exploit, FYI."
The exploit is attracting Concord to a location away from where they are not wanted, in other words, to make them take that little bit longer to spawn. It's all very well documented by the "we will stop ice-mining in highsec" plan. Goonswarm have made it very clear how this all works, perhaps to attract a fix to it by CCP.
Saying that I said anything other than me calling it an exploit is just post-padding and fishing for tears which are not there. I said it is an exploit being used, not that you cannot enter Highsec if you have very low sec status, not that you shouldn't be able to kill whoever in highsec. Doing so with impunity, knowing you stand a very good chance of getting away with it cleanly. Clearly that is an exploit.
You can be as bad as you want to be, I never suggested any restrictions on that or anything else. Looking at the way the majority of current ice-miner ganking is being done - it is an exploit.
Goon alt detected....Goon tears always good for a laugh. Whining about the miners using your (non)exploit against you...priceless.
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Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:09:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote: Saying something over and over and over again doesn't make it true.
Yes it does. The door is a prime example. There is no door. You writing that saying something over and over and over again doesn't make it true, makes it true. It is ALL true!!
Love you too.
The door is not real. |
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Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:13:00 -
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Thomas Abernathy wrote:Goon alt detected....Goon tears always good for a laugh. Whining about the miners using your (non)exploit against you...priceless.
Whooaaaaaa there Cowboy, now I'm a Goon alt ? Wow, wonders never cease, truly they do not. Say this was not directed at me, please? omg. NOW I feel sad, no tears though, but sad. The door is not real. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
321
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:13:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:*shrug* You say nay, I say aye. GǪand CCP says no.
There are only two CONCORD-related exploits that have ever been acknowledged by CCP: evading CONCORD and using disposable alts to mitigate the CONCORD-delivered punishments. If you want to claim that there are more, you need to prove it. Just one problem: you won't succeed.This question has been brought up numerous times, and the only part that is considered an exploit is getting CONCORD's attention GÇö for whatever reason GÇö using an alt that you biomass once its sec status is too low.
Miners GÇ£primingGÇ¥ CONCORD to instagib attackers is 100% legal as long as they do not try to deflect or siphon off the sec status hit it entails. Likewise, attackers GÇ£de-primingGÇ¥ the same CONCORD spawn is equally 100% legal, as long as they, too, do no try to deflect the sec status hit.
The fact remains: there is no exploit at play here. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:*shrug* You say nay, I say aye. GǪand CCP says no. There are only two CONCORD-related exploits that have ever been acknowledged by CCP: evading CONCORD and using disposable alts to mitigate the CONCORD-delivered punishments. If you want to claim that there are more, you need to prove it. Just one problem: you won't succeed.This question has been brought up numerous times, and the only part that is considered an exploit is getting CONCORD's attention GÇö for whatever reason GÇö using an alt that you biomass once its sec status is too low. Miners GÇ£primingGÇ¥ CONCORD to instagib attackers is 100% legal as long as they do not try to deflect or siphon off the sec status hit it entails. Likewise, attackers GÇ£de-primingGÇ¥ the same CONCORD spawn is equally 100% legal, as long as they, too, do no try to deflect the sec status hit. The fact remains: there is no exploit at play here.
Thank you! At Last! A decent explanation without vomit and acid! I humbly stand corrected then, I apologise for my misinformed posts. Truthfully, I did not know the mechanics of it as you have described it. Not one of the replies bothered to outline it as simply and clearly as you have done, might I add - without all the vitrolic which normally follows.
I stand corrected, I apologise for calling it an exploit in the context I posted. Clearly it is not, according to the information you have given me here.
The door is not real. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:22:00 -
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[quote]Some miners use this same tactic to pull concord back to ice field. It is no exploit either.[/quote
this doesn't do anything anyway. Concord spawns three new ships for each offender.. and the concord ship already on the grid don't appear to respond. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:45:00 -
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I don't see this as an exploit. CCP rules about what an exploit is, so it's not an exploit.
That said ... it's still a trick.
I gank somebody, CONCORD comes and stays. I gank somebody somewhere else in the same system, CONCORD moves and turns up there.
Yep ... it's a trick.
Does it make sense ? Actually not.
Why ?
Because it's "unrealistic" that there is only one batch of CONCORD watching over the system. It would make more sense if they'd "be able to" call reinforcements if too many ganks happen over the course of x hours.
That's my worthless opinion, but at least it makes sense. |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
291
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Posted - 2011.10.06 20:01:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:I apologise for my misinformed posts. Truthfully, I did not know the mechanics of it as you have described it. Not one of the replies bothered to outline it as simply and clearly as you have done, might I add - without all the vitrolic which normally follows.
I stand corrected, I apologise for calling it an exploit in the context I posted. Clearly it is not, according to the information you have given me here.
The reason you got treated in the manner you did is because you were blatantly clueless but trying to state facts that didn't exist and hadn't bothered to explain what you were thinking. This means either a.) you are a pompous twit or b.) you were trolling. In either situation, you didn't deserve much more than you got. GÖÑ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖÑ |
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