If it is a exploit you are not aloud to discuss it on the forums.
If you believe it is a exploit you should fill out a petition with CCP and see above.
If you are just trolling, carry on.

The exploit is attracting Concord to a location away from where they are not wanted, in other words, to make them take that little bit longer to spawn. It's all very well documented by the "we will stop ice-mining in highsec" plan. Goonswarm have made it very clear how this all works, perhaps to attract a fix to it by CCP.

Evading CONCORD - sploit.
Delaying CONCORD - not a sploit.

Endof.

More drivel. End yourself and do us all a favour.

Miners use this technique to put concord on grid in the belief it improves their survivability from ganks, which it doesnt, used to be deemed an exploit but has since been confused by inconsistent GM petittion responses to the point it is no longer regarded an exploit and miners happily do so.

Conversely, for a criminal to use this to draw the same Concord out of the belt would require them going GCC anyway so it is simply a criminal being shot for GCC, duh.

[quote=Ifly Uwalk]Evading CONCORD - sploit.
Also excessive character recycling is a exploit, so rather use same -10sec toon all the time and resupply ships to him with an alt.
Nuff said.

Touched a nerve, have I ?

One should not comment about how code is being exploited ingame, because that will ruin your gameplay......
If I end myself, will you come with me ? Your tears are delicious. Stop reading my posts if my drivel upsets you so much.

5) Alt recycling
While players are free to delete characters as they see fit, excessive recycling of characters not permitted and disciplinary actions will be decided on a case by case basis. General guideline: donGÇÖt do it to avoid consequences within game mechanics.

I've never suicide ganked anyone - seems boring to me. However I will defend the right of people to do so - there's plenty means of defence apart from Concord.

Anyway as I said, if your OP gets edited by mods then its an exploit. If it doesn't its utter drivel.

I'm betting on utter drivel.

Op makes a very valid point - ganking is part of this game.

Op just neglects to mention the manner in which the way Concord currently functions, in how this is being abused as an exploit. This just makes it easier to gank without consequence, to gank with impunity knowing there's a 99% chance that you will get away with it.

Op is also whining about whining. No difference there, just a different point of view.

I do not care a rats-azz about mining, I do care about how Concord is stunted and being abused.

I've never suicide ganked anyone - seems boring to me. However I will defend the right of people to do so - there's plenty means of defence apart from Concord.

source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249

So it seems at least we agree on one point. I never for one minute said banstick on ganking, quite the opposite.
However, your continuous use of the word "drivel" has me drooling. Still reading ?

Please get your argument straight before posting poorly informed whines on the forums. This post as example shows how clueless you are...



No one gets away with a suicide gank.

I am quoting from a different thread as it is evident there is a lack of understanding regarding how Concord is being exploited at this point in time.

"Khanh'rhh wrote: It is INTENDED game mechanics that a -10 player can enter highsec if he choses. He has to suffer the fact that anyone and everyone can shoot him, and the faction police will spawn within about 3 seconds, wherever he goes.

Where is the exploit?
Did he
a) Find a way to stop you pointing his ship?
b) Find a way to stop you shooting his ship?
c) Find a way to stop CONCORD from destroying his ship?
d) Find a way to evade the faction police indefinitely?

Please post the exact exploit, please.

Them being a "bad man" is not an exploit, FYI."

The exploit is attracting Concord to a location away from where they are not wanted, in other words, to make them take that little bit longer to spawn. It's all very well documented by the "we will stop ice-mining in highsec" plan. Goonswarm have made it very clear how this all works, perhaps to attract a fix to it by CCP.

Saying that I said anything other than me calling it an exploit is just post-padding and fishing for tears which are not there. I said it is an exploit being used, not that you cannot enter Highsec if you have very low sec status, not that you shouldn't be able to kill whoever in highsec. Doing so with impunity, knowing you stand a very good chance of getting away with it cleanly. Clearly that is an exploit.

You can be as bad as you want to be, I never suggested any restrictions on that or anything else. Looking at the way the majority of current ice-miner ganking is being done - it is an exploit.

The exploit is attracting Concord to a location away from where they are not wanted, in other words, to make them take that little bit longer to spawn.

Good point - discussion of "exploits" is bannable mmmm? At the very least the post gets heavily edited.

/me sits back and waits for nothing to happen to OPs post

CLEANING UP YOUR OWN CONCORD SPAWN

Cleaning up your own CONCORD spawn, so other people can make their own attack runs, is actually really easy. Dock at the closest station to the belt you just ganked in, then immediately undock in a newbie ship and don't move - simply drift for 30 seconds with your docking immunity. This will pull CONCORD to you, and since you have your docking immunity sentry guns will not kill you before CONCORD gets there. If multiple people participated in a gank, they should all do this at the same time.

Please make sure to clean up your own CONCORD spawns whenever possible: it makes life easier for everyone else and really isn't very difficult.

CLEARING OTHER PEOPLE'S CONCORD SPAWNS

Sometimes clever pubbies, or lazy goons, will leave a spawn in a belt. You need to get rid of that before you gank, or you'll be instagibbed when you gank (unless you're in a Galtpest).

Concord usually only spawns one fleet per system. Concord, once spawned, will travel from place to place dealing with anything that shoots something they shouldn't. That means you just need to summon CONCORD somewhere else: take a newbieship in an alt and plink something - a GSC, or the staging pos. Just don't do it near faction police or sentry guns, so you don't die before CONCORD gets there.

If two people gank at once, however, there will be two fleets. It appears that the closest spawn is the one that moves: ergo get closer to the spawn you want to move (nearby belt, nearby pos, whatever) than the one you don't, then summon it. If all else fails, use safespots just off-grid. Don't worry about CONCORD being close: they take a flat 6 seconds to warp regardless of distance.

its hilarious how little you understand concord and how nonsensical your argument is once you do

Posted - 2006.11.17 22:58:00 - [88]


Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

Originally by: ImaranEvading CONCORD is indeed classed as an exploit, and therefore a bannable offence.


How are players supposed to know that Imaran?

Yes, you told us so in this instance, but what if it wasn't something we were just discussing?

Where's this rule published on Eve-O?



I'll see if I can dig into the rules and find out.

Spag, by evading, I assume it's meant in the terms of attracting CONCORD aggression in an >0.4 (NPC Patrolled) system and not losing your ship.

CONCORD are there for a reason Smile

And on that note, I do have to lock this thread as per the forum rules, as it's discussing a possible exploit.

OP lost some macks?
Alts are unable to bot mine ice?
Petitioned the losses and was not happy with the reply?
With these facts included, you are correct! This has to be an exploit.

To all those that think CCP will save them from Goon aggression in high sec, or helping take over 0.0 I have this to say:

Working as intended.
CCP wont save you.
If CCP were to intervene when there are no rules being broken I believe that would set a bad precedence

The Concord thing is an exploit

No.

*shrug* You say nay, I say aye.

I thought this was about Concord grapes being exploited to make jelly.

Mmmmm.... jelly...




AFK, lunch...

I am quoting from a different thread as it is evident there is a lack of understanding regarding how Concord is being exploited at this point in time.

"Khanh'rhh wrote: It is INTENDED game mechanics that a -10 player can enter highsec if he choses. He has to suffer the fact that anyone and everyone can shoot him, and the faction police will spawn within about 3 seconds, wherever he goes.

Where is the exploit?
Did he
a) Find a way to stop you pointing his ship?
b) Find a way to stop you shooting his ship?
c) Find a way to stop CONCORD from destroying his ship?
d) Find a way to evade the faction police indefinitely?

Please post the exact exploit, please.

Them being a "bad man" is not an exploit, FYI."

The exploit is attracting Concord to a location away from where they are not wanted, in other words, to make them take that little bit longer to spawn. It's all very well documented by the "we will stop ice-mining in highsec" plan. Goonswarm have made it very clear how this all works, perhaps to attract a fix to it by CCP.

Saying that I said anything other than me calling it an exploit is just post-padding and fishing for tears which are not there. I said it is an exploit being used, not that you cannot enter Highsec if you have very low sec status, not that you shouldn't be able to kill whoever in highsec. Doing so with impunity, knowing you stand a very good chance of getting away with it cleanly. Clearly that is an exploit.

You can be as bad as you want to be, I never suggested any restrictions on that or anything else. Looking at the way the majority of current ice-miner ganking is being done - it is an exploit.

Saying something over and over and over again doesn't make it true.

Goon alt detected....Goon tears always good for a laugh. Whining about the miners using your (non)exploit against you...priceless.

*shrug* You say nay, I say aye.

GǪand CCP says no.

There are only two CONCORD-related exploits that have ever been acknowledged by CCP: evading CONCORD and using disposable alts to mitigate the CONCORD-delivered punishments. If you want to claim that there are more, you need to prove it. Just one problem: you won't succeed.This question has been brought up numerous times, and the only part that is considered an exploit is getting CONCORD's attention GÇö for whatever reason GÇö using an alt that you biomass once its sec status is too low.

Miners GÇ£primingGÇ¥ CONCORD to instagib attackers is 100% legal as long as they do not try to deflect or siphon off the sec status hit it entails. Likewise, attackers GÇ£de-primingGÇ¥ the same CONCORD spawn is equally 100% legal, as long as they, too, do no try to deflect the sec status hit.

The fact remains: there is no exploit at play here.

I apologise for my misinformed posts. Truthfully, I did not know the mechanics of it as you have described it. Not one of the replies bothered to outline it as simply and clearly as you have done, might I add - without all the vitrolic which normally follows.

I stand corrected, I apologise for calling it an exploit in the context I posted. Clearly it is not, according to the information you have given me here.