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fukier
Flatline.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:31:00 -
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yeah it hurts but afk domi lev iv was way to big of a isk faucet to let continue...
personally i would love to see small and medium sentry drones
and the ability to repair drones in your bay using nano repair paste...
this would offest some of the wtf my drones are dead now feeling...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
78
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ocih wrote:Just another example of cart before the horse. Drones weren't designed to take full aggro and they are the only way to really kill frigates in a level 4 mission. When I did these missions in the nightmare I never needed the drones and that was with tachyons.
My current plan is to carry a selection of T1 laser crystals and swap them out when I have to take out frigates, and keep drones for cruisers and salvaging and stuff.
The thing about using drones for killing frigates is not that it is impossible to kill frigates with BS weapons, but that it DOES need more skillpoints invested in gunnery, and that's really going to slow down the careers of newer carebears. It also means a greater chance of losing your ship (NOT something carebears are willing to risk), if you are on the edge of losing your tank and are unexpectedly scrambled by an angel spy or something.
The only functional solution is more skillpoints in tracking and falloff affecting skills, and maybe some tracking computers loaded with scripts. But since that will a: take training time away from mining skills and b: impact tank, a lot of carebears are going to lose a lot of ships very quickly.
They will adapt, carebears in particular and EvE players in general usually do (or stop playing), but for the short term, it's going to be a great sellers market.
Especially for drone manufacturers. |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars
Fade 2 Black
7161
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:35:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Just another example of cart before the horse. Drones weren't designed to take full aggro and they are the only way to really kill frigates in a level 4 mission.
Not really, you could kite and then warp out and back to gate to reset distance and pop them from a good range. Completely doable with an arty fit maelstrom though it is a pain and time consuming.
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke
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*Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:35:00 -
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Ocih wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ocih wrote:Just another example of cart before the horse. Drones weren't designed to take full aggro and they are the only way to really kill frigates in a level 4 mission. When I did these missions in the nightmare I never needed the drones and that was with tachyons. If you get them all before they close on you. Many level 4's they plant you on top of the spawns but I suppose you just insta popped the 90% resist frigates at 2200 meters with your uber leet skillz
He's telling jokes, not only this would be impossible even with a blaster fit and web but even less with a Nightmare, mwahaha nice joke however. Or maybe that was back in 1589 DC? -whatever
Quote:Just another example of cart before the horse. Drones weren't designed to take full aggro and they are the only way to really kill frigates in a level 4 mission.
Seems CCP wants to make NPC rats look more like players pvp ship acting, so who would not kill drones?
So, when are NPC's sending ECM300's against us? 
Silly choices, are silly! |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
343
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:35:00 -
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put a remote rep on your ship and start repping your drones. Now you will have full aggro and they will avoid shooting your drones for the most part (they tend to shoot anything that is giving reps.)
however, for that to happen you need to be close to the drones. |
Generals4
1582
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:37:00 -
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If WH'ers can deal with it so can mission runners.
-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems
Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:41:00 -
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Chip Whittley wrote:Toku Jiang wrote:Chip Whittley wrote:Anybody else noticing this today? In level 4 missions, in my Domi, I throw my drones out after all npcs lock me, and almost immediately they're switching aggro to the drones, and the drones are dying. Some missions more than others, but it is in every mission. I don't usually lose drones, butI've lost a bay's worth of them just this morning.... Read the patch notes, and the dev blogs from some time ago. The new AI will have the NPC rats switching targets now. So you can't just warp into a mission, collect all the aggro on your domi, then pop drones and eat popcorn. The NPC's will switch up, target your drones and kill them, especially frigates. Well, I'm actively doing the missions, selecting targets, and keeping an eye on drone health bars, not "popping drone and eating popcorn". They're still dying especially with heavies, on targets that are 20K out. So are drone boats just useless and broken now, until further notice? Should i just start training for that CNR? ....
You can also train and use sentries (especially the T2 ones).
Stay right next to them and easily scoop them in drone bay once they start taking damage. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1734
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:43:00 -
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Chip Whittley wrote:Anybody else noticing this today? In level 4 missions, in my Domi, I throw my drones out after all npcs lock me, and almost immediately they're switching aggro to the drones, and the drones are dying. Some missions more than others, but it is in every mission. I don't usually lose drones, but I've lost a bay's worth of them just this morning....
This is a great change. Well done CCP- PVE should be challenging.
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
558
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:44:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Chip Whittley wrote:Anybody else noticing this today? In level 4 missions, in my Domi, I throw my drones out after all npcs lock me, and almost immediately they're switching aggro to the drones, and the drones are dying. Some missions more than others, but it is in every mission. I don't usually lose drones, but I've lost a bay's worth of them just this morning.... This is a great change. Well done CCP- PVE should be challenging.
Should be challenging if you're in a drone boat, no one else need be bothered.
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starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:46:00 -
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this is nothing but a backdoor nerf to level 4 mission runners and to make it so there is more incentive to buy plex with real money, plain and simple.
drone aggro means it takes so much longer to do a mission most wont bother and just buy plex.
ive spent months training my drone skills only for them to be practically useless doing level 4's to say im not a happy teddy is a understatement.
tried out angel extravaganza and my drones were instantly targeted and popped within 10 seconds of launch the drones that were targeted wouldnt return to drone bay either.
ive cancelled my subs for my 2 accounts already while i try and come up with a differant gameplan for doing level 4's
and no ... you cant have my stuff!!!
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
323
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:47:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Ocih wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ocih wrote:Just another example of cart before the horse. Drones weren't designed to take full aggro and they are the only way to really kill frigates in a level 4 mission. When I did these missions in the nightmare I never needed the drones and that was with tachyons. If you get them all before they close on you. Many level 4's they plant you on top of the spawns but I suppose you just insta popped the 90% resist frigates at 2200 meters with your uber leet skillz He's telling jokes, not only this would be impossible even with a blaster fit and web but even less with a Nightmare, mwahaha nice joke however. Or maybe that was back in 1589 DC? -whatever Quote:Just another example of cart before the horse. Drones weren't designed to take full aggro and they are the only way to really kill frigates in a level 4 mission. Seems CCP wants to make NPC rats look more like players pvp ship acting, so who would not kill drones? So, when are NPC's sending ECM300's against us? Silly choices, are silly!
You never know with Baltec. So far all I killed were some radar site rats with a HAM fit cruiser and 2 lights. They ignored my drones.
The HAMs had more dps than the drones, even though the HAMs were in fact useless against them. We will need to determine what gives aggro and aggro fit some slots now is my guess. If it's the superior dps value, we will now need to throw away our high slots on drone boats to fake our dps. |
Yotah
Ideal Machine Academy
The Ideal Machine
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:49:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Just another example of cart before the horse. Drones weren't designed to take full aggro and they are the only way to really kill frigates in a level 4 mission.
+1 |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
91
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:49:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:If WH'ers can deal with it so can mission runners.
The logic of your trolling escapes me. If one thing should be pretty much equivalent to the other, why have both? If missions should be as difficult as wormholes--or at least present the same challenges--then they should yield all of the same benefits, too.
CEO, Venture Racing
Retired Senior Banker, EVE Online Hold'Em |
YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:49:00 -
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Chip Whittley wrote:Anybody else noticing this today? In level 4 missions, in my Domi, I throw my drones out after all npcs lock me, and almost immediately they're switching aggro to the drones, and the drones are dying. Some missions more than others, but it is in every mission. I don't usually lose drones, but I've lost a bay's worth of them just this morning....
While CCP's documentation leaves a lot to be desired...this was a central and well-documented change....
"Working as intended" |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:50:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:this is nothing but a backdoor nerf to level 4 mission runners and to make it so there is more incentive to buy plex with real money, plain and simple.
drone aggro means it takes so much longer to do a mission most wont bother and just buy plex.
ive spent months training my drone skills only for them to be practically useless doing level 4's to say im not a happy teddy is a understatement.
tried out angel extravaganza and my drones were instantly targeted and popped within 10 seconds of launch the drones that were targeted wouldnt return to drone bay either.
ive cancelled my subs for my 2 accounts already while i try and come up with a differant gameplan for doing level 4's
and no ... you cant have my stuff!!!
Stop doing them with drone boats?
Hulks too have awesome yeld, yet almost no one uses them anymore because good choices are good (???) |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars
Fade 2 Black
7162
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:50:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Welcome to the life of a wormholer. I'm not even sure if the bug works against sleepers since they have been doing this since they came around. It's about time you missioners had a challenge. Oh, what's that? I've never done lvl 4s because I live in w-space... let me just say before this patch, lvl 4s were way easier to solo than even a c2 wormhole anom. The difference being you don't get waves of 20 or 30 rats at a time in WHs? And even with sleepers, they have a 2 min timer, so you just have to time your aggro.
Depends on the site, sometimes you can get way more than that... I'm not sure about the timer thing either because I constantly have target switching around on me and my drones at completely random times. Sometimes I my drones as a light tank so I can boost up. At other times, I'll bookmark a wreck and warp off and back at a certain range to get distance to hit the frigates without ever pulling out 1 drone.
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke
*Bait* with your altGäó
*Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:51:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Sometimes I my drones as a light tank so I can boost up. At other times, I'll bookmark a wreck and warp off and back at a certain range to get distance to hit the frigates without ever pulling out 1 drone.
C1's C2's this can be done quite easily, C3's and above it's another story.
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starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:52:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:this is nothing but a backdoor nerf to level 4 mission runners and to make it so there is more incentive to buy plex with real money, plain and simple.
drone aggro means it takes so much longer to do a mission most wont bother and just buy plex.
ive spent months training my drone skills only for them to be practically useless doing level 4's to say im not a happy teddy is a understatement.
tried out angel extravaganza and my drones were instantly targeted and popped within 10 seconds of launch the drones that were targeted wouldnt return to drone bay either.
ive cancelled my subs for my 2 accounts already while i try and come up with a differant gameplan for doing level 4's
and no ... you cant have my stuff!!!
Stop doing them with drone boats? Hulks too have awesome yeld, yet almost no one uses them anymore because good choices are good (???)
i use CNR its hardly a drone boat...
i cant use anyhting else to do level 4's due to my skills. |
Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
315
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:53:00 -
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Looks like im just gonna have to leave small ships til last and then use the MJD to get 100km out and snipe them with tachs =|.
"That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm
GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:56:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Stop doing them with drone boats?
Hulks too have awesome yeld, yet almost no one uses them anymore because good choices are good (???)
Drones are already considered largely subpar in PvP, so they should suffer the same in PvE as well? You think it a good idea to have a weapons system relegated to all around greatly reduced effectiveness? |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars
Fade 2 Black
7166
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Posted - 2012.12.04 21:00:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Sometimes I my drones as a light tank so I can boost up. At other times, I'll bookmark a wreck and warp off and back at a certain range to get distance to hit the frigates without ever pulling out 1 drone. C1's C2's this can be done quite easily, C3's and above it's another story.
Oh yeah, I'm still learning most of the ropes. C3's get a little more trickier on the soloing if it is even possible. C4s you might need a couple of alts or fleet mates.
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke
*Bait* with your altGäó
*Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Basileus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.12.04 21:07:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Just another example of cart before the horse. Drones weren't designed to take full aggro and they are the only way to really kill frigates in a level 4 mission.
This. |
Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.12.04 21:17:00 -
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Basileus wrote:Ocih wrote:Just another example of cart before the horse. Drones weren't designed to take full aggro and they are the only way to really kill frigates in a level 4 mission. This.
I kill frigs with large ac's all the time. Although it's is gonna make certain missions really tough if frigs are right on top of you. |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University
Ivy League
104
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Posted - 2012.12.04 21:19:00 -
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Maybe you can bring some friends in destroyers.
OOOOOOOOOOOKAY. Alts. Bring alts. I know you love that better. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2012.12.04 21:21:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:Maybe you can bring some friends in destroyers.
OOOOOOOOOOOKAY. Alts. Bring alts. I know you love that better.
How much better will the destroyers fare I wonder? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1937
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Posted - 2012.12.04 21:51:00 -
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Without commenting on this half assed attempt at whatever it is CCP is up to, I will say something in general that seems to show CCP taking a step backwards.
They have been 'dumbing down' the game to some and 'reducing needless complication ' for others. I see the recent trend as a good thing, personally. Having mechanics simply to be a pain in the ass is the wrong way to attract and keep players.
Yet this is exactly what has happened here. Throwing in a half finished new mechanic that can be worked around by putting drones out, pulling them back, then launching again is not adding anything to game play. It's just needlessly complicating something simple to make it seem attractive to the hardcore few that like this kind of thing.
It will, in my opinion, backfire badly.
Mr Epeen 
-ávOv |
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
190
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Posted - 2012.12.04 22:18:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Without commenting on this half assed attempt at whatever it is CCP is up to, I will say something in general that seems to show CCP taking a step backwards. They have been 'dumbing down' the game to some and 'reducing needless complication ' for others. I see the recent trend as a good thing, personally. Having mechanics simply to be a pain in the ass is the wrong way to attract and keep players. Yet this is exactly what has happened here. Throwing in a half finished new mechanic that can be worked around by putting drones out, pulling them back, then launching again is not adding anything to game play. It's just needlessly complicating something simple to make it seem attractive to the hardcore few that like this kind of thing. It will, in my opinion, backfire badly. Mr Epeen
Or... CCP just buffed co-op play a good bit.
Think about it. There are now logistics frigates. Bring a newbie in a Navitas and tell them "Keep my drones alive, I'll worry about the rest. Aggro? Try to speed tank some of it. My Domi has a big repper for you, just in case."
Or as someone above pointed out... Alts, bring alts in logi frigates. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
559
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Posted - 2012.12.04 22:28:00 -
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Cynter DeVries wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Without commenting on this half assed attempt at whatever it is CCP is up to, I will say something in general that seems to show CCP taking a step backwards. They have been 'dumbing down' the game to some and 'reducing needless complication ' for others. I see the recent trend as a good thing, personally. Having mechanics simply to be a pain in the ass is the wrong way to attract and keep players. Yet this is exactly what has happened here. Throwing in a half finished new mechanic that can be worked around by putting drones out, pulling them back, then launching again is not adding anything to game play. It's just needlessly complicating something simple to make it seem attractive to the hardcore few that like this kind of thing. It will, in my opinion, backfire badly. Mr Epeen Or... CCP just buffed co-op play a good bit. Think about it. There are now logistics frigates. Bring a newbie in a Navitas and tell them "Keep my drones alive, I'll worry about the rest. Aggro? Try to speed tank some of it. My Domi has a big repper for you, just in case." Or as someone above pointed out... Alts, bring alts in logi frigates.
Aggro is based on signature size and ewar. That logi would get aggro over the drones, especially if they're acting like logi.
It's the same reason ratters are happy, because frigs/bombers coming at them will now be attacked by the very rats the ratter was trying to kill.
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Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
89
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Posted - 2012.12.04 22:37:00 -
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LOL wormhole dwellers say hello |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
559
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Posted - 2012.12.04 22:40:00 -
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Potamus Jenkins wrote:LOL wormhole dwellers say hello
That was even more clever than the other 2 people that said it before you.
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