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Chip Whittley
Blood and Veldspar Holdings
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:26:00 -
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Anybody else noticing this today? In level 4 missions, in my Domi, I throw my drones out after all npcs lock me, and almost immediately they're switching aggro to the drones, and the drones are dying. Some missions more than others, but it is in every mission. I don't usually lose drones, but I've lost a bay's worth of them just this morning.... |
marVLs
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:29:00 -
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Dude read patch notes, but yeah it's terrible how they agro drones and insta kill |
Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:29:00 -
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Reading patch notes is hard. |
Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:29:00 -
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Chip Whittley wrote:Anybody else noticing this today? In level 4 missions, in my Domi, I throw my drones out after all npcs lock me, and almost immediately they're switching aggro to the drones, and the drones are dying. Some missions more than others, but it is in every mission. I don't usually lose drones, butI've lost a bay's worth of them just this morning....
Read the patch notes, and the dev blogs from some time ago. The new AI will have the NPC rats switching targets now. So you can't just warp into a mission, collect all the aggro on your domi, then pop drones and eat popcorn. The NPC's will switch up, target your drones and kill them, especially frigates. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:32:00 -
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Yeah, you're a little late to the party. There's a 2-month-old whine-a-tron thread, 30+ pages long, in the Test Server Feedback forum about this same issue. Namely new AI and old sucky drones and their clumsy UI. It's too late to complain now, should have done a better job of it earlier before they locked it in for deployment. Now it's too late, we'll have to wait for drone review before it gets better. |
Missile War
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:33:00 -
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Chip Whittley wrote:Anybody else noticing this today? In level 4 missions, in my Domi, I throw my drones out after all npcs lock me, and almost immediately they're switching aggro to the drones, and the drones are dying. Some missions more than others, but it is in every mission. I don't usually lose drones, but I've lost a bay's worth of them just this morning....
Same here, and since I'm fighting sansha, it's REALLY annoying since I can't hit the TD'ers with my turrets...(it's fun going from 45km range to 15km range max...)
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:34:00 -
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Release drones, don't send them. When they get aggro, recall them. Wait a sec, then relaunch them. You've now got aggro until the next wave.
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Jess Maine
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:35:00 -
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CCP's next step in eliminating drones from the game. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
482
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:36:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Release drones, don't send them. When they get aggro, recall them. Wait a sec, then relaunch them. You've now got aggro until the next wave.
That is a bug, a known one, confirmed by CCP. Which leads to 2 questions:
1. When this bug is fixed, what will you do then? 2. If you exploit the current bug, does that count as an exploit, and is it punishable? I don't want to eat a suspension or a ban for this. |
Alysa Taal
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:36:00 -
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Been playing this all day, its wierd but basic rule is if there are frigs on the field drones are pretty much gonna get nuked seconds afer launch (passive drones included), all other ship sizes and turret emplacements ignore drones exactly as they used to.
Since my understanding is in mission drones are the answer to frigs if you're in a BS then this is now a problem :(
I dont mind and I have already adapted (dont use drones if frigs are around) however this really is bad.
For me this hasnt made missions more fun as I had hoped, its ruined them. |
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Hongus Gwag
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:38:00 -
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I've found that my drones get aggro rarely from null anom npcs, nothing that's gunna change my ratting. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
553
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:39:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Release drones, don't send them. When they get aggro, recall them. Wait a sec, then relaunch them. You've now got aggro until the next wave.
That is a bug, a known one, confirmed by CCP. Which leads to 2 questions: 1. When this bug is fixed, what will you do then? 2. If you exploit the current bug, does that count as an exploit, and is it punishable? I don't want to eat a suspension or a ban for this.
It is a known bug which they said is a workaround until they actually get around to fixing all the other problems this new AI has caused. Recalling drones can hardly be considered an exploit.
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Chip Whittley
Blood and Veldspar Holdings
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:42:00 -
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Toku Jiang wrote:Chip Whittley wrote:Anybody else noticing this today? In level 4 missions, in my Domi, I throw my drones out after all npcs lock me, and almost immediately they're switching aggro to the drones, and the drones are dying. Some missions more than others, but it is in every mission. I don't usually lose drones, butI've lost a bay's worth of them just this morning.... Read the patch notes, and the dev blogs from some time ago. The new AI will have the NPC rats switching targets now. So you can't just warp into a mission, collect all the aggro on your domi, then pop drones and eat popcorn. The NPC's will switch up, target your drones and kill them, especially frigates.
Well, I'm actively doing the missions, selecting targets, and keeping an eye on drone health bars, not "popping drone and eating popcorn". They're still dying especially with heavies, on targets that are 20K out.
So are drone boats just useless and broken now, until further notice? Should i just start training for that CNR? .... |
Hast Semah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:00:00 -
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Knowing it was coming, I tried out a few missions today. These changes bode ill for drone pilots.
I was constantly watching the drone status, soon as one got aggro, I'd pull it back in. Most of the time, I'd loose it before it came back. I doubt remote rep would help.
This is a more realistic AI, but there isn't much point in drone ships for PvE now. I can't say I'm pleased after the SP investment in drones, but it is a matter of adapting and moving on, as I doubt CCP will buff drones anytime soon. |
Sol Kouvo
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:02:00 -
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When I was researching EVE before subscribing one of the things I read was that Gallente drone boats made missions fun and profitable because while they weren't the fastest way to run a mission they were the most layed back, guess CCP ruined that too.
Funny thing is it looks like they added a few drone boats in the same expansion that they ruined them, nice one CCP. lmao |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:04:00 -
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Huh, maybe CCP are trying to move L4s back to group activities. |
Dracones
Tarsis Inc
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:10:00 -
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It's pretty much going to be an adapt until they do a review pass on drones thing. Options may be to try to do things which generate a huge amount of agro on the new AI(possibly try remote repair and EWAR).
Or just start training blasters/rails and start working towards that megathron fit. |
baltec1
Bat Country
3026
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:11:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Huh, maybe CCP are trying to move L4s back to group activities. Or at the very least make them slightly more risky. |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:11:00 -
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Welcome to the life of a wormholer. I'm not even sure if the bug works against sleepers since they have been doing this since they came around. It's about time you missioners had a challenge. Oh, what's that? I've never done lvl 4s because I live in w-space... let me just say before this patch, lvl 4s were way easier to solo than even a c2 wormhole anom. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:16:00 -
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Just another example of cart before the horse. Drones weren't designed to take full aggro and they are the only way to really kill frigates in a level 4 mission. |
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Serptimis
Reds in Local
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Some Rando wrote:Huh, maybe CCP are trying to move L4s back to group activities. Or at the very least make them slightly more risky. Between the nerf to HML on the Tengu and this nerf to drones, will probably make Lvl4's that little bit more difficult alright. |
viziel
Sarum Industrial Cartel The Obsidian Cartel
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:18:00 -
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PLZ FIX |
Basileus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:19:00 -
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As a drone producer I am so happy I pee'd a little As a mission ***** drone user I tend to rate the change as **** on a stick. |
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:20:00 -
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The drone bay, now a perfect place to carry 5x Mining Drone I, 5x Salvaging Drone I, and some cheap hornets to throw out for a few seconds to distract the scrambling frigates in missions while you warp away. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:20:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Welcome to the life of a wormholer. I'm not even sure if the bug works against sleepers since they have been doing this since they came around. It's about time you missioners had a challenge. Oh, what's that? I've never done lvl 4s because I live in w-space... let me just say before this patch, lvl 4s were way easier to solo than even a c2 wormhole anom.
The difference being you don't get waves of 20 or 30 rats at a time in WHs? And even with sleepers, they have a 2 min timer, so you just have to time your aggro.
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Alysa Taal
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:22:00 -
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Obsidian Dagger wrote:The drone bay, now a perfect place to carry 5x Mining Drone I, 5x Salvaging Drone I, and some cheap hornets to throw out for a few seconds to distract the scrambling frigates in missions while you warp away.
Good idea with the distraction!!
Betting 100 ISK that will be the one time it doesnt switch agro :)
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baltec1
Bat Country
3026
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:22:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Just another example of cart before the horse. Drones weren't designed to take full aggro and they are the only way to really kill frigates in a level 4 mission. When I did these missions in the nightmare I never needed the drones and that was with tachyons. |
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
78
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:23:00 -
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Alysa Taal wrote:Obsidian Dagger wrote:The drone bay, now a perfect place to carry 5x Mining Drone I, 5x Salvaging Drone I, and some cheap hornets to throw out for a few seconds to distract the scrambling frigates in missions while you warp away. Good idea with the distraction!! Betting 100 ISK that will be the one time it doesnt switch agro :)
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:25:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Release drones, don't send them. When they get aggro, recall them. Wait a sec, then relaunch them. You've now got aggro until the next wave.
This.
Yes, some tweaks will need to be made in some missions (already acknowledged) and the drone UI needs to be upgraded (already in discussion). Until then use this simple tactic, just remember to anticipate the next wave of NPC's and get your drones back under your wing until you can rinse and repeat. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ocih wrote:Just another example of cart before the horse. Drones weren't designed to take full aggro and they are the only way to really kill frigates in a level 4 mission. When I did these missions in the nightmare I never needed the drones and that was with tachyons.
If you get them all before they close on you. Many level 4's they plant you on top of the spawns but I suppose you just insta popped the 90% resist frigates at 2200 meters with your uber leet skillz |
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